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Our 2022 PFF OL Ranking (Hint - not good)

Danny Kanell : 1/24/2023 7:17 pm

Will Presti

@WillPresti
Giants offensive line rankings, last three seasons, per PFF:

2022: 30th
2021: 30th
2020: 31st

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I know it’s PFF but yikes.
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RE: RE: And Schoen and Daboll know it.  
Dr. D : 1/25/2023 9:27 am : link
In comment 16012783 giantBCP said:
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In comment 16012768 Blue21 said:


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Hopefully they can do something about it .



They tried, with Neal, Glowinski, Feliciano, and Ezeudu, and they all underperformed.

Are you a troll or do you really not understand that Neal and Ezeudu were rookies (who often struggle) and that Feliciano was a stopgap FA picked from the bargain bin because we had negative cap money? Do you really not understand that?

I admit Glowinski wasn't a great signing it seems, but he had been a starter for other teams and great OL usually don't become FAs.

Schoen inherited an OL with ONE legit starter (and no cap money to address it). It's still very possible that Neal and Ezeudu will become solid starters with more coaching and experience.

I don't understand you and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
RE: Neal was absolutely terrible  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/25/2023 10:15 am : link
In comment 16012985 kelly said:
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And showed no improvement over the course of the year. That tells me he has physical limitations. He needs to move to guard. Draft another tackle.


Did you miss the part where he strained his MCL (i.e. a "physical limitation")?

He was actually starting to play a little better before he got injured and missed 4 games (5 weeks).
RE: RE: Neal was absolutely terrible  
.McL. : 1/25/2023 10:20 am : link
In comment 16013325 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 16012985 kelly said:


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And showed no improvement over the course of the year. That tells me he has physical limitations. He needs to move to guard. Draft another tackle.



Did you miss the part where he strained his MCL (i.e. a "physical limitation")?

He was actually starting to play a little better before he got injured and missed 4 games (5 weeks).

Neal did not miss time, he played through
My eye test  
.McL. : 1/25/2023 10:25 am : link
Suggests that the line was not as bad as prior years. I would have thought that they were low 20s.

However, the Giants were clearly coached for a short/quick passing game.
Jones executed this scheme, and did the 1 read, 2 read, run effectively. Sometimes it was 1 read and run...

So I will admit, that perhaps the scheme covered some of the deficiencies. However, at least DJ wasn't getting pounded from the blind side.

In the long run, this goes to show that those who say that we have invested enough in the OL, don't know what they are talking about. Until the line is good, you have not invested enough!
to anyone who thinks nyg ol was average or better this year  
Eric on Li : 1/25/2023 10:28 am : link
which player(s) other than thomas played better than average? ill hang up and listen.
Was the line this season perfect? Absolutely not.  
Vin_Cuccs : 1/25/2023 10:33 am : link
But to say that the line of

Thomas/Gates(Bredeson)/Feliciano/Glowinski/Neal

is just as bad as

Thomas/Matt Skura/Billy Price/Will Hernandez/Nate Solder is laughable.
RE: RE: RE: Neal was absolutely terrible  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/25/2023 10:44 am : link
In comment 16013334 .McL. said:
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In comment 16013325 sb from NYT Forum said:


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In comment 16012985 kelly said:


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And showed no improvement over the course of the year. That tells me he has physical limitations. He needs to move to guard. Draft another tackle.



Did you miss the part where he strained his MCL (i.e. a "physical limitation")?

He was actually starting to play a little better before he got injured and missed 4 games (5 weeks).


Neal did not miss time, he played through


What in the actual fuck are you talking about?!?
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RE: Was the line this season perfect? Absolutely not.  
Eric on Li : 1/25/2023 10:49 am : link
In comment 16013362 Vin_Cuccs said:
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But to say that the line of

Thomas/Gates(Bredeson)/Feliciano/Glowinski/Neal

is just as bad as

Thomas/Matt Skura/Billy Price/Will Hernandez/Nate Solder is laughable.


at the end of the year the line had improved with gates/bredeson back and when glowinski/felciano settled down and stopped allowing sacks. I think those 2 combined for something like 0 sacks in the last month.

however statistically the non-Thomas components of the line weren't too far from each other because of the performance in the first 2/3 of the year.

Neal 22 (453 pass block snaps) = 7 sacks, 7 penalties, 39 hurries
Solder 21 (586 pass block snaps) = 6 sacks, 6 penalties, 36 hurries

feliciano 22 (568 pass block snaps) = 3 sacks, 6 penalties, 22 pressures
price 21 (649 pass block snaps) = 2 sacks, 5 penalties, 24 pressures

glowinski 22 (614 pass block snaps) = 5 sacks, 3 penalties, 34 pressures
hernandez 21 (676 pass block snaps) = 7 sacks, 8 penalties, 36 pressures

ezeudu 22 (153 pass block snaps) = 3 sacks, 3 penalties, 15 pressures
lemieux 22 (24 pass block snaps) = 1 sack, 5 pressures
gates 22 (229 pass block snaps) = 1 sack, 4 penalties, 10 pressures
bredeson 22 (332 pass block snaps) = 0 sacks, 3 penalties, 11 pressures
skura 21 (473 pass block snaps) = 2 sacks, 3 penalties, 32 pressures

so in total that was 5 sacks and 41 pressures from LG.

and remember the 2021 line was also playing from behind more.
Not surprising  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/25/2023 10:52 am : link
We have Thomas and 4 below average starters on the line. Neal gets another year to show growth or a position change might be in order.
RE: RE: RE: Neal was absolutely terrible  
Dr. D : 1/25/2023 12:07 pm : link
In comment 16013334 .McL. said:
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In comment 16013325 sb from NYT Forum said:


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In comment 16012985 kelly said:


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And showed no improvement over the course of the year. That tells me he has physical limitations. He needs to move to guard. Draft another tackle.



Did you miss the part where he strained his MCL (i.e. a "physical limitation")?

He was actually starting to play a little better before he got injured and missed 4 games (5 weeks).


Neal did not miss time, he played through

He missed weeks 8 through 12 (9 being the bye). He missed the last week of Oct and all of Nov.
Yes  
allstarjim : 1/25/2023 12:59 pm : link
That middle part of the season the OL was pretty bad, with the injuries to Neal, Bredeson, and don't discount the injury to Bellinger, either. He's the best run-blocking TE on the Giants, and his loss also really impacted the running game.
Wouldn't mind them signing Issac Seumalo  
jeff57 : 1/25/2023 1:02 pm : link
To pay RG.
Evan Neal missed 4 or 5 games  
UConn4523 : 1/25/2023 1:04 pm : link
in the middle of the season. Then he played through it.
...  
ryanmkeane : 1/25/2023 2:17 pm : link
Neal was a consensus top 5 type talent but folks did warn that he might take some time to adjust. He'll be fine.
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