I think it's a foregone conclusion-barring the unforeseen-he's our QB these next couple of seasons. And yes, this was the first full season he's played. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about his availability in the coming years with some of the shots he took this season, especially in the Colts game. Some of it was his aggressiveness & some of it was cheap hits from defenders, but this concerns me.
He runs a lot for a QB & seems to welcome contact. Maybe getting legit weapons around him will lessen his need to run. Fingers crossed.
To answer your question, I am worried about this durability because running is such a big part of his game.
josh allen is kind of the only outlier but even he had some arm issues this year.
i think all of these guys who use their legs that much would be well served following the russell wilson strategy of leaning more on their arms and less on their legs as they age.
but at the same time id have no problem picking bryce young 1st overall and as a smaller guy he has the same question. herbert and burrow have both taken some huge shots too.
luck is still the biggest factor in most injuries. jones is tough and has shown the ability to play through some injuries (bears game) so im not sure he has any risk beyond normal.
If Jones blew an ACL, he’s probably not right for 2 seasons.
If Jones blew an ACL, he’s probably not right for 2 seasons.
LOL, and you know this for certain how?
If Jones blew an ACL, he’s probably not right for 2 seasons.
Awesome logic. Good job!
Where's the durability concern about him?
I have been asking the question in numerous thread: How long can he produce with his legs like this?
If he is going to last much beyond 30, he has learn to do it with his arm more. If not, he may not even make it to 30.
He’s not a quick twitch guy, so it’s really just the cumulative hits and his awkward sliding (which has also improved) causing the biggest risk.
Hopefully he can cut down on the contract he takes with a better feel for the offense and a wr or two who can beat coverage
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Burrow blew an ACL and was in the Super Bowl 13 months later.
If Jones blew an ACL, he’s probably not right for 2 seasons.
LOL, and you know this for certain how?
Because Daniel Jones is exponentially more reliant on his legs to produce yards. It’s not a knock on him, he’s a dual threat QB.
In much the same way Barkley wasn’t himself until year two back from his ACL, neither would Jones.
In 2021 Burrow ran the ball 40 times, half of them were scrambles and nearly the rest were kneel downs or sneaks. Running the ball was virtually not a part of his game.
No ones knocking your baby, chill out.
Yet no GM has decided to build a team only from $5-10mm players, one with a lot of depth. It would be an interesting approach but the fact that it hasn’t been tried makes it likely it is deeply flawed. Still, I wish someone would experiment with it.
The Giants should focus on finding a backup who can run the offense the same way with the same plays. Similar to the Ravens.
Well, that and 10 wins(including a playoff win) with a sieve OL and a #1 WR with hands of stone and a #2 WR that was out run by his grandmother...
I understand you can get hurt anywhere in the pocket but at least you have some protection rule wise.
Running hits plus the hits you are going to take in the pocket over a whole season probably takes a toll. If not a injury that keeps you then maybe enough to impact your job over the season.
Smart running where you are avoiding hits for the most part. Sure. Designed runs off tackle taking on shots like a running back not good imv.
Daboll seems to not worry about this. Allen does the same in Buffalo but he is also 245 and seems more natural than Jones. Jones looked more natural this year to me but see took some big shots in not the best position.
Rather build the OL to let the backs do the work with QB pitching in when its wide open.
For instance, both of Lamar's injuries the past two years occurred in the pocket.
Except for the concussion against Dallas, I don't think any of DJ's injuries occurred outside of the pocket.
And I'm trying to think of any QB injuries over the years that occurred outside of the pocket.
Logically, it would seem to me that a QB is much more likely to get injured in the pocket because he is more likely to get blind sided, etc., and is much more of a siting duck.
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So if he runs less because of injuries/durability issues then you can do the math.
These are the type runs I am talking about and they did one against Philly as well.
These are the type runs I am talking about and they did one against Philly as well.
I think in the end, you need to look at statistical probabilities, and the stats confirm that the fact that DJ runs does not make him any more susceptible to injury than a traditional pocket passer.
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His neck injury was against Dallas as well and that was one of those designed runs on the inside.
These are the type runs I am talking about and they did one against Philly as well.
I think in the end, you need to look at statistical probabilities, and the stats confirm that the fact that DJ runs does not make him any more susceptible to injury than a traditional pocket passer.
I look at how a QB is built physically and how natural they are in taking hits or not. In Jones case I see a 6/5" QB who is a little unnatural still when he makes contact imv and also presents a different type of target versus a shorter more compact one.
A general stat would not be something I would use as a guide for any QB. Some naturally are just more conducive to being more like a running back.
You said you could not think of any QB hurt outside the QB. I gave you one. Jones.
Cumulative hits over the course of a season increase risk for injury and also I think it can carry over to in pocket play that impacts a QB as a passer from those hits.
For instance, both of Lamar's injuries the past two years occurred in the pocket.
Except for the concussion against Dallas, I don't think any of DJ's injuries occurred outside of the pocket.
Didn't the neck injury that sidelined him for the last third of the '21 season vs. the eagles occur when he was running (outside the pocket)?
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$30+ million QBs throw for 1 per game.
Well, that and 10 wins(including a playoff win) with a sieve OL and a #1 WR with hands of stone and a #2 WR that was out run by his grandmother...
The Giants success was smoke and mirrors this year...it's not sustainable year over year. 6-1 start, and 4-7-1 after. Coaching/scheme makes this team competitive every week, but it won't sneak up on teams next year.
But Jones is not just any running QB that gets the easy yards and slides.
Jones likes to push it. He stiff arms, he lowers is shoulder and bulls for extra yards. Those hits add up.
And in Franchise-QB language, that has a certain level of stupidity attached to it.