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Deserves mentioning once again - the WR situation

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/25/2023 8:47 am
IMO, the two best receivers on this roster right now are a waiver-wire pick-up from the Bills (Hodgins) and the 2nd round draft pick who tore his ACL in November (Robinson).

I still think the argument can be made that the trenches and CB are actually more pressing needs in the NFC East, but the dearth of talent at WR for the Giants is pretty scary.

Just another indication that this team played way over its head in 2022.
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Either way, the WR corps will look drastically different next year:  
Vin_Cuccs : 1/25/2023 9:59 am : link
Kenny Golladay is unlikely to be back with the team
Isaiah Hodgins-contract expires (this is according to the roster page; might be exclusive rights free agent)
Darius Slayton-contract expires
Richie James-contract expires
Marcus Johnson-contract expires
Sterling Shepard-ACL tear, voidable contract
Collin Johnson-Achilles tear
Wan'Dale Robinson-ACL tear, may not be ready for the start of the season

On opening day next season, there is a chance that every single active WR player is new.
The can go BPA at many positions  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/25/2023 10:00 am : link
and it will have a big impact. Some positions more so and that also depends how much better the new player is.

DL, ILB, Corner, OL and WR.

BPA.

Whether you like him or EVERYTHING depends on Jones  
Dinger : 1/25/2023 10:02 am : link
If the Giants are unable/unwilling to resign him, they are in QB limbo. TT becomes the starter and you would think they would look to draft a QB. You would think that they would do that in the top 3 rounds, taking away a pick for a WR, IOL or a CB, ALL of which are MUST HAVES this offseason. They may find a diamond in the rough at WR in the later rounds or a decent guard in rd2 or 3 but IF they have to go QB shopping, that changes a lot of plans.
RE: I think our Wide Receiver room is fine  
k2tampa : 1/25/2023 10:05 am : link
In comment 16013246 Semipro Lineman said:
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maybe it can be improved a bit with some minor ....

redecorating touches like reupholstering the chairs but otherwise


We had three starters at the end of the year who could not get open against man to man coverage. How is that "fine."
RE: Yes we do need 1-2 WRs  
rsjem1979 : 1/25/2023 10:06 am : link
In comment 16013268 Dang Man said:
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But we also need DT, CB, MLB, another DE/Edge rush specialist. Point being, there are too many holes to fill in with just one draft. What Schoen did last year was make us competitive. This year he’ll fine tune and figure out the pieces moving forward (ie who are his guys) and fill in some of the gaps. This is a multi year process. People like to use the 2020 Eagle anology, but a lot has to go right for that to happen, including some luck and having a QB who can win that’s on a rookie contracts.


Yeah the Eagle analogy doesn't really work anyway. They got out from a huge QB contract and in the process acquired a 1st and 3rd round pick for Wentz, and are currently spending essentially nothing on the QB and RB spots.

The Giants appear set to be spending $40 million at minimum on just the starters at those positions next year.
The other piece to keep in mind  
aimrocky : 1/25/2023 10:06 am : link
unless the Giants upgrade via UFA, there will be a learning curve from their draft picks. If Hodgins takes a step back and Robinson eases his way back, then we could see some really poor WR play to start the season.
RE: When your best WR  
k2tampa : 1/25/2023 10:08 am : link
In comment 16013253 section125 said:
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was poached off a PS mid-season and barely has enough speed to beat LBs in a foot race, you are in deep crap.
Love Hodgins, but ideally he'd be a #4 coming off the bench on 3rd and long.

I'd bring back Richie James for the slot. He has some wheels and good hands.

The roster is so devoid of talent that Schoen will easily be able to take BPA at #25 and improve any group on the team. They are in dire need of WR, CB, ILB, IOL, and ER.


Hodgins wasn't on their practice squad. He was waived.
It is really important  
ElitoCanton : 1/25/2023 10:10 am : link
that the Giants don't force a 1st round WR. There are needs all over the roster. This draft is deep in CB and that is a huge need. ILB is a huge need. 5 tech DE is a huge need. They need to let the board come to them. We should not be deceived where this team is. Stick to the rebuild plan.
RE: I still can’t believe people argued against this  
Dr. D : 1/25/2023 10:12 am : link
In comment 16013178 UConn4523 said:
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especially when looking at all the playoff games. The gap in talent at WR is so vast it’s almost funny. Kudos for the guys here making it work, but it just isn’t close to enough.

I think the people who argued against this were doing so because it helped their argument (that Jones sucks and it's not because of the OL and WRs. The WRs are just fine...).
RE: RE: I still can’t believe people argued against this  
Victor in CT : 1/25/2023 10:14 am : link
In comment 16013315 Dr. D said:
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especially when looking at all the playoff games. The gap in talent at WR is so vast it’s almost funny. Kudos for the guys here making it work, but it just isn’t close to enough.


I think the people who argued against this were doing so because it helped their argument (that Jones sucks and it's not because of the OL and WRs. The WRs are just fine...).


you are correct Sir!
RE: It is really important  
Victor in CT : 1/25/2023 10:15 am : link
In comment 16013311 ElitoCanton said:
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that the Giants don't force a 1st round WR. There are needs all over the roster. This draft is deep in CB and that is a huge need. ILB is a huge need. 5 tech DE is a huge need. They need to let the board come to them. We should not be deceived where this team is. Stick to the rebuild plan.


exactly right. they need talent almost everywhere. they shouldn't force anything
RE: Either way, the WR corps will look drastically different next year:  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/25/2023 10:20 am : link
In comment 16013284 Vin_Cuccs said:
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Kenny Golladay is unlikely to be back with the team
Isaiah Hodgins-contract expires (this is according to the roster page; might be exclusive rights free agent)
Darius Slayton-contract expires
Richie James-contract expires
Marcus Johnson-contract expires
Sterling Shepard-ACL tear, voidable contract
Collin Johnson-Achilles tear
Wan'Dale Robinson-ACL tear, may not be ready for the start of the season

On opening day next season, there is a chance that every single active WR player is new.


Hodgins isn't going anywhere. They will tender him.

But most of these guys should be gone.
I'll be very surprised if the Giants don't add a good wideout in the  
Ira : 1/25/2023 10:21 am : link
off-season. What I'm not so sure about is what kind of wideout we'll add - will he be a speed guy or a tall guy or a strong guy or a great route runner - probably some combo of those things.
the fox broadcast had a great graphic on WR production  
Eric on Li : 1/25/2023 10:22 am : link
this pretty much said it all on the season. these first 9 weeks were when Sills, Golladay, and Johnson were getting most of the starts.



The last 9 were when Hodgins arrived and James/Slayton were inserted pretty much full time.


and to make things even clearer, you can see Hodgins alone accounted for the majority of the production increase.



the evolution of the passing attack this season was living proof of how the offense can improve as you add better players to it.
just to piggyback that last reply  
Eric on Li : 1/25/2023 10:26 am : link
sills started weeks 1-5
golladay started weeks 1 and 4
johnson started weeks 5-8

2 of those 3 had catch rates under 50% (sills was high man at 65%).

hodgins, slayton, and james were all over 70% catch rates on the year.
RE: According to Pro Football Reference  
Dr. D : 1/25/2023 10:28 am : link
In comment 16013186 Eric from BBI said:
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Slayton dropped seven passes or 10 percent of his opportunities. He's such a frustrating player. He had 8 touchdowns as a rookie. But since then, he has seven in the last three seasons combined.

I say bye to Slayton unless he's brought back again as #6-7. He might be a nice guy and seems to care, but he doesn't have the "dependable" part. Shepard also lacks dependability, though due to injuries, not bad hands (he's only played 32 games in the last FOUR seasons. Only 10 in the last two).

So, including Golladay, there are at least 3 WRs they can be moving on from.
RE: I'd like to see the Giants go into the offseason  
bw in dc : 1/25/2023 10:42 am : link
In comment 16013248 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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thinking they need to upgrade the top two WR's. Then everybody else can compete for the remaining spots. May the best find a position on the roster.


Unfortunately, the WR FA crop is weak. By that, I mean no WR1. Mostly WR2s and Wr3s.

But I think there may be some opportunity there and would look at Meyers, Lazard and JuJu.



RE: Interesting stats  
HomerJones45 : 1/25/2023 10:48 am : link
In comment 16013171 Eric from BBI said:
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on dropped passes by team... Giants were 6th in the NFL with 27. https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232 - ( New Window )
Does not seem to indicative or relevant to anything. The 5 teams with more dropped passes were:
1 Green Bay Packers 30
2 Buffalo Bills 29
3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 29
4 Jacksonville Jaguars 29
5 Miami Dolphins 27

4 of them made the playoffs. The team in 7th place was the Chiefs. The Chargers are 8th and the Bengals 9th with 25 and 24 respectively. The Niners were 14th with 22. Are we saying that 4 less dropped passes is make or break?? Please.

There is no sense getting big time receivers unless there is some demonstration that they can be utilized. Galloway has disappeared here; he and the qb seem to have some issue because the qb will not even look his way. Engram was let go and just had his best year since he was teamed with Eli with 73 catches. Toney has turned into a useful player with the Chiefs and will be on the field for the conference championship game. It would not surprise me to see Slayton leave here and become the field stretcher for some other team. Quit crying about receivers when we can't seem to utilize the ones we have.
RE: RE: Need WR But  
Dr. D : 1/25/2023 10:49 am : link
In comment 16013221 BMac said:
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Obviously they need to upgrade the WR position although when Robinson returns, that’s part of it. Collin Johnson looked good in preseason also. But, if the OL is stronger and we have an effective running game, a QB making the kind of money Jones is asking for, should be able to elevate the offense even without a stud at WR. A really good QB makes everyone around them better.



Some people just can't help taking any opportunity to take shots. Then they spout groupthink/truisms ("A really good QB makes everyone around them better.") rather than objective views.

The thing is, Jones did "elevate" these guys. The #15 scoring offense with these WRs, including one who led the league in drops and one who was literally not on an NFL roster in early Nov. But there's a limit for how much a QB can elevate his WRs.

And people like Samiam can't even give a single recent example of a QB that elevated bottom tier WRs to the extent that's needed to win in the playoffs. Just empty words tainted with an anti-Jones bias.
There's really a couple of ways to look at the WR room  
Dave on the UWS : 1/25/2023 10:50 am : link
IF they got a true "go to #1", would the rest of the WR room be adequate? OR other than Wan dale and maybe Johnson or Higgins, do we need TWO top outside receivers? One of many decisions to be made.
There's plenty of evidence  
RollBlue : 1/25/2023 11:05 am : link
that getting a top WR helps the offense - why some argue otherwise is foolish.

Diggs in Buffalo, Hill in Miami. Look at the Eagles, they won 4 games in 2020, 9 in 2021 and lost badly in wild card round. Add AJ Brown and they're a win from the SB. Bengals drafted Chase, still have a hard time blocking, but move the ball and score points on everyone except Baltimore.

If there Giants can add an impact WR, and 2 impact players on defense - should compete for NFC - luck on injuries being a major factor...
Trade Burrow our WRs  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/25/2023 11:08 am : link
I would feel pity and sadness for him.
RE: RE: Interesting stats  
Andrew in Austin : 1/25/2023 11:23 am : link
In comment 16013386 HomerJones45 said:
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on dropped passes by team... Giants were 6th in the NFL with 27. https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232 - ( New Window )

Does not seem to indicative or relevant to anything. The 5 teams with more dropped passes were:
1 Green Bay Packers 30
2 Buffalo Bills 29
3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 29
4 Jacksonville Jaguars 29
5 Miami Dolphins 27

4 of them made the playoffs. The team in 7th place was the Chiefs. The Chargers are 8th and the Bengals 9th with 25 and 24 respectively. The Niners were 14th with 22. Are we saying that 4 less dropped passes is make or break?? Please.

There is no sense getting big time receivers unless there is some demonstration that they can be utilized. Galloway has disappeared here; he and the qb seem to have some issue because the qb will not even look his way. Engram was let go and just had his best year since he was teamed with Eli with 73 catches. Toney has turned into a useful player with the Chiefs and will be on the field for the conference championship game. It would not surprise me to see Slayton leave here and become the field stretcher for some other team. Quit crying about receivers when we can't seem to utilize the ones we have.


Wonder what the % is as a percentage of pass attempts. We tended to pass a lot less than most of those teams.
meant  
Dave on the UWS : 1/25/2023 11:25 am : link
Hodgins (mind is elsewhere lol)
RE: RE: Interesting stats  
speedywheels : 1/25/2023 11:26 am : link
In comment 16013386 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 16013171 Eric from BBI said:


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on dropped passes by team... Giants were 6th in the NFL with 27. https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232 - ( New Window )

Does not seem to indicative or relevant to anything. The 5 teams with more dropped passes were:
1 Green Bay Packers 30
2 Buffalo Bills 29
3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 29
4 Jacksonville Jaguars 29
5 Miami Dolphins 27

4 of them made the playoffs. The team in 7th place was the Chiefs. The Chargers are 8th and the Bengals 9th with 25 and 24 respectively. The Niners were 14th with 22. Are we saying that 4 less dropped passes is make or break?? Please.

There is no sense getting big time receivers unless there is some demonstration that they can be utilized. Galloway has disappeared here; he and the qb seem to have some issue because the qb will not even look his way. Engram was let go and just had his best year since he was teamed with Eli with 73 catches. Toney has turned into a useful player with the Chiefs and will be on the field for the conference championship game. It would not surprise me to see Slayton leave here and become the field stretcher for some other team. Quit crying about receivers when we can't seem to utilize the ones we have.


The reason why Toney is "succeeding" is obvious to every NYG fan.

Except for you. Which is not very surprising.
Impossible, Eric  
speedywheels : 1/25/2023 11:30 am : link
I was told that the reason why NYG didn't pass the ball a lot was due to having a QB who "sucked" as a passer.

You mean to tell me it was more about the overall very mediocre WR core (and based on PPF rankings, the 2nd worse OL in the league)? I'm shocked, just SHOCKED I tell you.

This is yet another example of Jones and Kafka doing waaaaay more with waaaaaaay less. 15th in the league in scoring with those two huge shortcomings???? Quite frankly, they are both miracle workers.

RE: RE: I'd like to see the Giants go into the offseason  
speedywheels : 1/25/2023 11:32 am : link
In comment 16013375 bw in dc said:
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thinking they need to upgrade the top two WR's. Then everybody else can compete for the remaining spots. May the best find a position on the roster.



Unfortunately, the WR FA crop is weak. By that, I mean no WR1. Mostly WR2s and Wr3s.

But I think there may be some opportunity there and would look at Meyers, Lazard and JuJu.




NYG don't have any WR2's on the roster, either.
RE: RE: Interesting stats  
speedywheels : 1/25/2023 11:36 am : link
In comment 16013189 UConn4523 said:
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on dropped passes by team... Giants were 6th in the NFL with 27. https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232 - ( New Window )



Even worse is we had the 8th fewest attempts at 520 compared to the most (Bucs) at 751. Our drop rate is 5.1% and there’s was 3.9%.


Excellent point. And yet, some posters say things like "quit whining" about the receivers they have that they can't "utilize" properly
We desperately...  
Chris in Philly : 1/25/2023 11:38 am : link
need to upgrade the position, but I would not spend big UFA money on it. Premium draft picks and mid-level free agency is the way to go. Or explore the trade market..
RE: RE: Interesting stats  
UConn4523 : 1/25/2023 11:44 am : link
In comment 16013386 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 16013171 Eric from BBI said:


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on dropped passes by team... Giants were 6th in the NFL with 27. https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232 - ( New Window )

Does not seem to indicative or relevant to anything. The 5 teams with more dropped passes were:
1 Green Bay Packers 30
2 Buffalo Bills 29
3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 29
4 Jacksonville Jaguars 29
5 Miami Dolphins 27

4 of them made the playoffs. The team in 7th place was the Chiefs. The Chargers are 8th and the Bengals 9th with 25 and 24 respectively. The Niners were 14th with 22. Are we saying that 4 less dropped passes is make or break?? Please.

There is no sense getting big time receivers unless there is some demonstration that they can be utilized. Galloway has disappeared here; he and the qb seem to have some issue because the qb will not even look his way. Engram was let go and just had his best year since he was teamed with Eli with 73 catches. Toney has turned into a useful player with the Chiefs and will be on the field for the conference championship game. It would not surprise me to see Slayton leave here and become the field stretcher for some other team. Quit crying about receivers when we can't seem to utilize the ones we have.


Richie James is having a career year here. Isaiah Hodgins found a home and has excelled here. Slayton is having his best year here since his rookie year. Other than Golladay, whom the coaching staff doesn’t like, who exactly are you talking about when you say we aren’t utilizing the ones we have?
RE: We desperately...  
Eric on Li : 1/25/2023 11:44 am : link
In comment 16013486 Chris in Philly said:
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need to upgrade the position, but I would not spend big UFA money on it. Premium draft picks and mid-level free agency is the way to go. Or explore the trade market..


there's not really a choice in UFA - the most expensive WR will probably be OBJ bc there's just nobody out there. Maybe Jakobi Meyers but i assume NE will bring him back.

the trade market could be interesting but it will likely be expensive. hopkins the one interesting name out there that may be gettable cheaper due to his circumstances.
I’d love a guy like Woods  
UConn4523 : 1/25/2023 11:47 am : link
he will be 2 years removed from the injury and had a fairly high snap rate, which proves he was mostly healthy in 2022. Add in Tennessee’s passing woes and he can be a good buy low candidate. For him he gets a shot at being a #1 WR again.
RE: I’d love a guy like Woods  
Eric on Li : 1/25/2023 11:53 am : link
In comment 16013502 UConn4523 said:
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he will be 2 years removed from the injury and had a fairly high snap rate, which proves he was mostly healthy in 2022. Add in Tennessee’s passing woes and he can be a good buy low candidate. For him he gets a shot at being a #1 WR again.


he's an interesting name if ten cuts him.
RE: I’d love a guy like Woods  
beatrixkiddo : 1/25/2023 11:53 am : link
In comment 16013502 UConn4523 said:
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he will be 2 years removed from the injury and had a fairly high snap rate, which proves he was mostly healthy in 2022. Add in Tennessee’s passing woes and he can be a good buy low candidate. For him he gets a shot at being a #1 WR again.


Of all available people. I like Woods the most too and seems the most realistic given or still shitty cap situation. He would be a great vet to add to this unit, they have to hit on some rookies too, but Woods can serve as a very reliable possession type reciever here.
It is imperative for the Giants  
Doubledeuce22 : 1/25/2023 11:54 am : link
to trade for a legit WR1 with what the upcoming FA WR class looks like. I understand not wanting to trade picks but you can't go into the season with this group of WRs if you expect DJ to continue to grow. Tee Higgins, Brandon Aiyuk, Michael Pittman, Deandre Hopkins are some names that could certainly be out there and a move needs to be made to get one of them. Center is a position that needs to be addressed in free agency. There are 2 very good Cs that will be UFAs in Pocic and Bradbury. Along with ILB these 2 positions must be addressed in free agency. Have to have faith that Neal and Ezeudu will make significant strides in year 2 and the line will somewhat solidify itself. Not addressing the Center position would be a huge mistake. Gates cannot be trusted to play at a high level after what we saw this season. I understand that he was working back from a serious injury but we cannot be certain that he will return to form and if he does, great. You now have great depth on the line and can move him to the other guard spot.
Tennessee wouldn't gain or lose any more by trading woods vs cutting  
Eric on Li : 1/25/2023 12:00 pm : link
and if traded for the nyg would have him essentially on a 1 year deal worth 12m with 2 option years after that only if they want to keep him. they could cut him any time for 0.

he's entering his age 31 season but he was never a guy who won with super explosiveness.

i'd have no issue flipping day 3 picks for him and isaiah mckenzie to go with hodgins, wandale, and a high draft pick. that would be a much improved WR room.
RE: RE: We desperately...  
Chris in Philly : 1/25/2023 12:02 pm : link
In comment 16013496 Eric on Li said:
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need to upgrade the position, but I would not spend big UFA money on it. Premium draft picks and mid-level free agency is the way to go. Or explore the trade market..



there's not really a choice in UFA - the most expensive WR will probably be OBJ bc there's just nobody out there. Maybe Jakobi Meyers but i assume NE will bring him back.

the trade market could be interesting but it will likely be expensive. hopkins the one interesting name out there that may be gettable cheaper due to his circumstances.


That's what I mean. There's nobody worth spending big money on, so let's go bargain shopping. There are a lot of competent, professional WR's out there that can fill out the middle of the group. Let's draft a WR1 if we can.
RE: RE: I’d love a guy like Woods  
UConn4523 : 1/25/2023 12:02 pm : link
In comment 16013513 Eric on Li said:
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he will be 2 years removed from the injury and had a fairly high snap rate, which proves he was mostly healthy in 2022. Add in Tennessee’s passing woes and he can be a good buy low candidate. For him he gets a shot at being a #1 WR again.



he's an interesting name if ten cuts him.


Ahh, that’s right, I don’t know why I thought he was a pending FA. A cut is possible though, it’s a big cap hit with good savings if they do.
RE: RE: RE: We desperately...  
Eric on Li : 1/25/2023 12:05 pm : link
In comment 16013537 Chris in Philly said:
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need to upgrade the position, but I would not spend big UFA money on it. Premium draft picks and mid-level free agency is the way to go. Or explore the trade market..



there's not really a choice in UFA - the most expensive WR will probably be OBJ bc there's just nobody out there. Maybe Jakobi Meyers but i assume NE will bring him back.

the trade market could be interesting but it will likely be expensive. hopkins the one interesting name out there that may be gettable cheaper due to his circumstances.



That's what I mean. There's nobody worth spending big money on, so let's go bargain shopping. There are a lot of competent, professional WR's out there that can fill out the middle of the group. Let's draft a WR1 if we can.


definitely. i think some of the fringe names speculated on the trade market are interesting, and even slayton might be interesting depending on what his price is. but id be looking to add 2 vets and 2 rookies in draft, with at least 1 of the rookies likely in the top 6 picks knowing that probably 10+ WRs will be taken in that top 60.
RE: RE: Interesting stats  
Brown_Hornet : 1/25/2023 1:07 pm : link
In comment 16013386 HomerJones45 said:
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Quit crying about receivers when we can't seem to utilize the ones we have.
Quit crying about QBs when we can't seem to utilize the ones we have?
...  
ryanmkeane : 1/25/2023 2:14 pm : link
I'd love a mauling guard and WR with 2 of our first 3 picks.
with all due respect to Robinson  
hightop cleats : 1/25/2023 3:41 pm : link
I dont think you can count on him to contribute in a manner the team can rely on for 2023. Even with the new surgical and recovery techniques, its too material an injury to fully heal from that quickly. Evidence Saquon's 12 month return - which was a year too early.

I'd love for it to happen but to bank on it doesn't make much strategic sense for the team. Ergo: Draft.
I hate to say it  
UberAlias : 1/25/2023 4:39 pm : link
But unless Neal gets a lot better, ORT is a need for us too.
They will not enter the 2023 season  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/25/2023 5:44 pm : link
With Hodgins, Wandale, and James as the main WRs.

They will not.
I liked Colin johnson  
Bleedblue10 : 1/25/2023 7:30 pm : link
In the preseason
I am in the Collin Johnson camp  
uncledave : 1/25/2023 7:58 pm : link
I really hope we don’t take any WR until day 3. Jake Bobo, Keytaon Thompson, Justin Shorter, Eli Higgins. Plenty of options late. We allocated high capital to Toney and Wandale recently. We need to build the trenches if we want to win in the playoffs.
I think the overwhelming disrespect the Giants receivers get is  
gogiants : 1/25/2023 10:34 pm : link
unwarranted. Yes the Giants could use drafting a wide receiver - just like almost every other position on the team. However PFF grades Richie and Hodgins as 39th and 26th out of 121 wide receivers. Don't like PFF then here's a query below at stathead that puts those two guys in a small but talented group.

If you sort the query our two guys are at the top in catch% but the bottom in yards/target. However when further analyzing that data the first downs per target puts them 2nd and 17th of the 23. They may not be getting downfield yards but they are getting first downs.

If you look at separation data on next gen stats our two guys rank 7th and 18th in that list of 24.

I am all for getting one or more receivers in the draft.However I think the IOL, LB and CB positions are more glaring needs. My usual mock draft goes OL O'Cyrus Torrence
, LB Jack Campbell and one of CBs in the third round. Then third round or later grab at least two receivers.

https://stathead.com/tiny/aOOJE - ( New Window )
Dr. D.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/25/2023 10:46 pm : link
hit the nail on the head.

People said jones couldn't elevate the players around him, so when the WR's started producing, even at mediocre levels at the end of the year, guess what? It wasn't because of Jones. It was because the WR's really weren't that bad, even though almost every metric said otherwise.

So in some sort of wierd way, the WR's doing well wasn't because of Jones, but rather because they magically improved.

Look at the posters who think the WR's aren't that bad. That's all you need to know, just like Dr. D. knows.
RE: RE: RE: Interesting stats  
speedywheels : 1/25/2023 11:36 pm : link
In comment 16013632 Brown_Hornet said:
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Quit crying about receivers when we can't seem to utilize the ones we have.

Quit crying about QBs when we can't seem to utilize the ones we have?


Well done…
2023 WR  
armstead98 : 1/25/2023 11:40 pm : link
We need help here but there are some pieces. Think we’re looking at:

1. Wandale - he was the best WR all summer when Shep was healthy, Toney was on the team and everyone else was here. I have high hopes.

2. Hodgins - Definitely a keeper

3. Top draft pick - I’d be surprised if we don’t use a 1st or 2nd

4. Richie James - Good depth and option on ST

5. Collin Johnson- was coming on before his injury

6. Cheap FA signing - Richie James like

7. Late round pick or USFA

8. Shep?

Not a world beater squad but better than the end of this year
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