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NGT- Brandon Beane on Bengals advantage of Rookie deals

jvm52106 : 1/25/2023 10:09 am
Interesting take on how the Bengals have accumulated talent via poor previous season but soon will be faced with Salary Cap restraints that the Bills have.

Interesting take is the Bills being over the cap this year and needing to make some moves to get under the 2023 cap.

Some players that may be cut or traded:

WR Gabriel Davis
LB Matt Milano
CB Taron Johnson
C Mitch Morse

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Davis’  
TommyWiseau : 1/25/2023 10:15 am : link
Salary is 1 million in 2023, zero chance he gets cut and low chance they trade him.
RE: Davis’  
jvm52106 : 1/25/2023 10:20 am : link
In comment 16013324 TommyWiseau said:
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Salary is 1 million in 2023, zero chance he gets cut and low chance they trade him.


ha ha, so you looked at the numbers and made a decision based on that alone. The Bills are disappointed in his play and he becomes an asset that they can move for more picks (cheaper contracts for a longer term).
seems like sour grapes  
KDavies : 1/25/2023 10:22 am : link
no shit, it's an advantage to have star players on rookie deals....so draft some star players on rookie deals. He could have had Jefferson on a rookie deal, but he traded that 1st for Diggs who also got paid.
The Bills are paying Josh Allen  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/25/2023 10:22 am : link
40+ mill a year, so they are going to run into cap constraints. This is the drawback of having a franchise QB on a second deal. The Bengals will have to pay Burrow 50+ mill a year, so they’ll be in tighter constraints.
I believe the rookie contract  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/25/2023 10:23 am : link
is a enormous benefit if you have the right QB.

I would not like just about everything else he said though if I was a Bills fan or if I was in that building.

Seems like a lot of excuses imv and hiding from the biggest detriment that has hurt the Bills. Your team has gotten beaten now twice in a row in the playoffs on both sides of the LOS.
If the Billls are struggling after paying Josh Allen to a $40M  
Metnut : 1/25/2023 10:26 am : link
cap hit, how will the Giants make it work paying a similar number to Jones?

I hope Schoen is able to work out a reasonable deal.
As stated above  
mittenedman : 1/25/2023 10:27 am : link
the key is to continue to draft good players. Gotta keep the cupboards full.

Otherwise, we could go back to the pre-salary cap days, or make exceptions for keeping homegrown talent, which I would love.
RE: If the Billls are struggling after paying Josh Allen to a $40M  
Metnut : 1/25/2023 10:28 am : link
In comment 16013347 Metnut said:
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cap hit, how will the Giants make it work paying a similar number to Jones?

I hope Schoen is able to work out a reasonable deal.


I guess it's not fair to say that the Bills are "struggling" but IMO the huge cap hits should be for the truly elite QBs. Giving out huge deals to the Murray's or aging Wilson's of the world, not to mention the Cousins/Carr/Wentz types are bigtime anchors.
Looking forward  
bceagle05 : 1/25/2023 10:28 am : link
to Jalen Hurts' big payday. Can't come soon enough.
OR you keep the money  
TheBlueprintNC : 1/25/2023 10:34 am : link
where it needs to be -you dont need to go big WR contracts or RB. You need it on the D, mostly. the QB, The LT, keep youth rotating lines and the secondary.
RE: Looking forward  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/25/2023 10:35 am : link
In comment 16013353 bceagle05 said:
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to Jalen Hurts' big payday. Can't come soon enough.



If they pay him. The Eagles must decide to let him walk and draft a QB. That front office seems to be ahead of everyone.
RE: RE: Looking forward  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/25/2023 10:36 am : link
In comment 16013365 JoeyBigBlue said:
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to Jalen Hurts' big payday. Can't come soon enough.




If they pay him. The Eagles must decide to let him walk and draft a QB. That front office seems to be ahead of everyone.



May decide*
Beane is delusional  
WillVAB : 1/25/2023 10:36 am : link
Chase didn’t beat them, they got their ass kicked up front.
Bills missed their Window  
ZogZerg : 1/25/2023 10:52 am : link
That's why important to win it when you have a chance.

But, they certainly didn't help themselves by signing and over aged/often injured defensive end.

Miller will count 18.5+ mil against their cap this year.
OP is delusional  
WillieYoung : 1/25/2023 10:52 am : link
That list of potential Bills cuts could only be compiled by someone who doesn't follow the Bills. Morris is their best lineman and respected by the organization. Milano is thier best defensive player and someone they signed, knowing they'd have to let Edmunds go. Davis saves nearly 0 on the cap.
This list was compiled based on the Giants' perceived needs not on managing the Bills cap. Much more likely they get rid of Ed Oliver who can't play the run or Tim Settle who has been worthless.
Not being a smartass  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/25/2023 10:54 am : link
but its kind of not really interesting, and kind of common knowledge.
Ed Oliver's 5th year salary is now guaranteed  
WillieYoung : 1/25/2023 10:55 am : link
Bills are in a world of hurt. Will take Dallas like restructures of star contracts to save them.
RE: Beane is delusional  
bw in dc : 1/25/2023 11:01 am : link
In comment 16013368 WillVAB said:
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Chase didn’t beat them, they got their ass kicked up front.


Beane never said or implied that. He's suggesting Cincy has an enormous advantage having two premium positions under rookie contracts.
I don’t think they move Milano  
ajr2456 : 1/25/2023 11:12 am : link
But if they do I’d love him.
RE: I don’t think they move Milano  
ajr2456 : 1/25/2023 11:12 am : link
In comment 16013435 ajr2456 said:
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But if they do I’d love him.


He’s also originally a Commack kid
RE: RE: Davis’  
Emil : 1/25/2023 11:23 am : link
In comment 16013335 jvm52106 said:
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Salary is 1 million in 2023, zero chance he gets cut and low chance they trade him.



ha ha, so you looked at the numbers and made a decision based on that alone. The Bills are disappointed in his play and he becomes an asset that they can move for more picks (cheaper contracts for a longer term).


Almost zero chance Davis gets traded in the offseason. He's cost controlled and doesn't save that much against the cap. And despite what commentators say, the Bills are not as disappointed in his play as fans think. However, they do think he is more of a #3 (or 4) than a #2. His limited route tree is what limits him. Cutting McKenzie would save more money and his role is easily replaced by a draft pick.

And why is a GM  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/25/2023 11:25 am : link
blabbering and spinning things so much. You lost because regressive Josh ALlen is Jim Kelly without the Super Bowl ass kickings.
RE: I believe the rookie contract  
Emil : 1/25/2023 11:26 am : link
In comment 16013341 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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is a enormous benefit if you have the right QB.

I would not like just about everything else he said though if I was a Bills fan or if I was in that building.

Seems like a lot of excuses imv and hiding from the biggest detriment that has hurt the Bills. Your team has gotten beaten now twice in a row in the playoffs on both sides of the LOS.


I totally agree that the main problem with the Bills is that they were beaten on the LOS twice in the playoffs. That is by far the biggest issue. But Beanne addressed this right off the bat yesterday.

"We want to be strong upfront....both sides of the ball. If we think there are better players there, in draft or via free agency, we won't hesitate to add."

The Head Coach said something similar the day before. I paraphrase but McDermott said it's a league of OL play, DL play, and then playmakers. I personally agree.
and that's why you have to be able to draft well  
widmerseyebrow : 1/25/2023 11:26 am : link
Most GMs can pick good to great players when they're in the top 5 every year. It's what you can unearth at the bottom of the first and the following rounds that separates you.
RE: OP is delusional  
Emil : 1/25/2023 11:27 am : link
In comment 16013399 WillieYoung said:
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That list of potential Bills cuts could only be compiled by someone who doesn't follow the Bills. Morris is their best lineman and respected by the organization. Milano is thier best defensive player and someone they signed, knowing they'd have to let Edmunds go. Davis saves nearly 0 on the cap.
This list was compiled based on the Giants' perceived needs not on managing the Bills cap. Much more likely they get rid of Ed Oliver who can't play the run or Tim Settle who has been worthless.


This^

Spot on Willie
RE: And why is a GM  
Emil : 1/25/2023 11:28 am : link
In comment 16013460 Spiciest Memelord said:
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blabbering and spinning things so much. You lost because regressive Josh ALlen is Jim Kelly without the Super Bowl ass kickings.


By all accounts, Allen did not regress. He threw more picks in the red zone. Some of that is on the elbow, OL, and new OC, but he's the same player he was last year.
RE: Beane is delusional  
Emil : 1/25/2023 11:29 am : link
In comment 16013368 WillVAB said:
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Chase didn’t beat them, they got their ass kicked up front.


I listened to the press conference. He never said Chase beat them. He said they were blown out because they couldn't control the LOS.

"That game we didn't get it done up front on either side the ball, and that starts with me."
RE: RE: Looking forward  
FStubbs : 1/25/2023 11:39 am : link
In comment 16013365 JoeyBigBlue said:
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to Jalen Hurts' big payday. Can't come soon enough.




If they pay him. The Eagles must decide to let him walk and draft a QB. That front office seems to be ahead of everyone.


The Eagles have a top 10 pick. It's not out of the realm of possibility they draft a QB.

However, they have some age in key spots on the roster. They may need to stick with Hurts and replenish the rest of the roster.

... or they draft their next starting QB in the 5th round. Who knows.
RE: RE: RE: Looking forward  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/25/2023 11:44 am : link
In comment 16013488 FStubbs said:
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In comment 16013353 bceagle05 said:


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to Jalen Hurts' big payday. Can't come soon enough.




If they pay him. The Eagles must decide to let him walk and draft a QB. That front office seems to be ahead of everyone.



The Eagles have a top 10 pick. It's not out of the realm of possibility they draft a QB.

However, they have some age in key spots on the roster. They may need to stick with Hurts and replenish the rest of the roster.

... or they draft their next starting QB in the 5th round. Who knows.


They'll find an all pro playing in a Rugby minor league.
BTW Jets had a great draft 2022  
TheBlueprintNC : 1/25/2023 11:44 am : link
if Breece Hall didn’t get injured, he, Garrett Wilson, and Sauce Gardner would likely all be ROTY finalists. Bills window closing fast.
RE: The Bills are paying Josh Allen  
Ben in Tampa : 1/25/2023 11:45 am : link
In comment 16013339 JoeyBigBlue said:
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40+ mill a year, so they are going to run into cap constraints. This is the drawback of having a franchise QB on a second deal. The Bengals will have to pay Burrow 50+ mill a year, so they’ll be in tighter constraints.


I honestly wonder what happens with Burrow and the Bengals.

It is crazy to think Burrow wouldn't reset the market, but the Bengals are so cheap and so stubborn, I could see high drama in the next couple of seasons.

Burrow is eligible to negotiate a new deal this off season.
RE: BTW Jets had a great draft 2022  
TheBlueprintNC : 1/25/2023 11:47 am : link
In comment 16013495 TheBlueprintNC said:
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if Breece Hall didn’t get injured, he, Garrett Wilson, and Sauce Gardner would likely all be ROTY finalists. Bills window closing fast.


ARodgers to the Jets with that D and Have young Zach learn from a GOAT. Wow
RE: seems like sour grapes  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/25/2023 11:48 am : link
In comment 16013338 KDavies said:
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no shit, it's an advantage to have star players on rookie deals....so draft some star players on rookie deals. He could have had Jefferson on a rookie deal, but he traded that 1st for Diggs who also got paid.


And Diggs is no spring chicken so expect him to be declining soon or already is. Sorry Beane that's just how the game works.
RE: RE: BTW Jets had a great draft 2022  
Payasdaddy : 1/25/2023 12:01 pm : link
In comment 16013501 TheBlueprintNC said:
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if Breece Hall didn’t get injured, he, Garrett Wilson, and Sauce Gardner would likely all be ROTY finalists. Bills window closing fast.



ARodgers to the Jets with that D and Have young Zach learn from a GOAT. Wow


Rodgers looks like he is slipping, quite a bit. Would be helpful to jets but they need more oline too.
RE: RE: Davis’  
TommyWiseau : 1/25/2023 12:39 pm : link
In comment 16013335 jvm52106 said:
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Salary is 1 million in 2023, zero chance he gets cut and low chance they trade him.



ha ha, so you looked at the numbers and made a decision based on that alone. The Bills are disappointed in his play and he becomes an asset that they can move for more picks (cheaper contracts for a longer term).


Hard to replace 800+ yards of production and 7 td’s for less then a million dollars in todays NFL with inflated salaries
RE: RE: The Bills are paying Josh Allen  
Gruber : 1/25/2023 2:02 pm : link
In comment 16013498 Ben in Tampa said:
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40+ mill a year, so they are going to run into cap constraints. This is the drawback of having a franchise QB on a second deal. The Bengals will have to pay Burrow 50+ mill a year, so they’ll be in tighter constraints.



I honestly wonder what happens with Burrow and the Bengals.

It is crazy to think Burrow wouldn't reset the market, but the Bengals are so cheap and so stubborn, I could see high drama in the next couple of seasons.

Burrow is eligible to negotiate a new deal this off season.


If he plays like he has done so far and they keep making the play-offs, then given he is also a Ohio native, it's not going to play well with the fanbase if they don't re-sign him.
RE: RE: Beane is delusional  
WillVAB : 1/25/2023 6:44 pm : link
In comment 16013415 bw in dc said:
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Chase didn’t beat them, they got their ass kicked up front.



Beane never said or implied that. He's suggesting Cincy has an enormous advantage having two premium positions under rookie contracts.


Right, which isn’t why they lost. They lost because of the draft picks and FA acquisitions he made along the DL who couldn’t beat a Cincy OL starting 3 backups that wasn’t that good to begin with. They lost because his DC pick is trash. They lost because their OL got whooped by Cincy’s front 7. It had nothing to do with Burrow and Chase being cheap at the moment.

He did make a comment about not building the way Cincy has and referenced the lean years. Here’s a news flash, Cincy has a chance to be back in the SB again while you waste prime Allen years.
Some interesting discussion  
SomeFan : 1/25/2023 9:15 pm : link
in that article about QBs on their rookie contract joining good teams. Those are the teams that appear to have good success. Overpaying a QB does not seem to be a good move.
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