What should the Giants do with Jones Poll?

“Let him walk?” Let me guess…..

I think he showed enough improvement to warrant coming back. I still need to see more before I commit long term on him. The big question that needs to be answered is “Does he play fast enough to merit a big contract?” Meaning when his first read isn’t there and he has pressure, can he find his second, third, and fourth read for a positive play.

In comment 16013653 JoeyBigBlue said:

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I think he showed enough improvement to warrant coming back. I still need to see more before I commit long term on him. The big question that needs to be answered is “Does he play fast enough to merit a big contract?” Meaning when his first read isn’t there and he has pressure, can he find his second, third, and fourth read for a positive play.

Rather than let him walk, sure. It’s just that we need help in a bunch of areas and need to re-sign some of our own, that 32 mil cap hit comes right off the top. Ouch.

I voted the first one

at $30 to $35. Or if you do you are looking at $100MM guaranteed. I would try for a higher AAV and less guaranteed. Still think FT, possibly leading to some negotiated position is most likely result. Also happy to let him go for 2 1sts.

as long as he consents.

I’d say $35-$40 would be more realistic as I see it

if not here, somewhere else. North of 40...

I wanted the 5th year picked up because if he had a great year I wanted him to do it again..

That was a business decision from the Giants. This is now a business decision from team Jones.

Watching that Beleav video with Banks and Papa.. I think they are floating the balloon for the org to let the fans know what is going to happen and what to expect.

There is no more prove it.. he proved it with the talent they had.

In comment 16013659 mfjmfj said:

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at $30 to $35. Or if you do you are looking at $100MM guaranteed. I would try for a higher AAV and less guaranteed. Still think FT, possibly leading to some negotiated position is most likely result. Also happy to let him go for 2 1sts.

If he wants more than $35 mill, I’d let him walk. He’s a good QB, but not a Top 10 QB. He still has questions to answer before putting him in that range.

Sweet spot for me is 4 years at $35 million AAV.
Gives the Giants FO a chance to lower salary cap for 2023.
Also gives Daniel another contract window before he turns 30. Works for both parties imv

That's a BBI fiction.

You guys are thirsty for a star QB so much you're making up fairytales.

In comment 16013676 Producer said:

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That's a BBI fiction. You guys are thirsty for a star QB so much you're making up fairytales.

I think he’s worth more to the Giants than other teams, but if he hits free agency he will get north of $30 mill a season. Probably somewhere around the Kirk Cousins’ contract 3 years 100 million with 90 mill guaranteed.

In comment 16013676 Producer said:

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That's a BBI fiction. You guys are thirsty for a star QB so much you're making up fairytales.

You have shown your hand a long time ago.

and build around him. Like Sy said in this weeks write-up. OL and DL. A strong OLine not only improves the offense but it also improves the defense by keeping them off the field.
Jones has shown he can make plays with his arms as well as his legs. He can lead this team with PS players to the playoffs. With pro bowlers he can take them farther IMO. All the way even.

It shows you how vocal the minority is.

with the hope the first two years actually are very manageable and cheaper than the tag and they have a way of getting out in year 3.

This should not stop them from keeping a eye on drafts.

The name of the game is to win and Jones for now at least is the best solution imv to help the HC accomplish this. As long you do this you will have a opportunity to strike again if need be.

59 - Sign him to a 4-5 year contract with (30-35 Million Range)
30 - Franchise Tag Him
11 - Let Him Walk

In comment 16013697 JoeyBigBlue said:

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59 - Sign him to a 4-5 year contract with (30-35 Million Range) 30 - Franchise Tag Him 11 - Let Him Walk

Jones haters. Let’s call them the 11 percenters. They sure do make a lot of noise.

Non exclusive tag because a replacement is identified.

In comment 16013706 JoeMorrison40 said:

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Non exclusive tag because a replacement is identified.

What replacement? We aren’t bringing back Jones and drafting a QB with a premium pick. It’s either one or the other.

In comment 16013697 JoeyBigBlue said:

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59 - Sign him to a 4-5 year contract with (30-35 Million Range) 30 - Franchise Tag Him 11 - Let Him Walk

Should we name the 11? 😂

In comment 16013706 JoeMorrison40 said:

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Non exclusive tag because a replacement is identified.

Giants would get 2 first-round draft choices for that, right?

They need him, right now, with all respect to Thomas, he is the most valuable on the team!

In comment 16013721 Jack Stroud said:

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They need him, right now, with all respect to Thomas, he is the most valuable on the team!

This is the trial balloon. Mara sanctioned it.

I'd vote for the tag. No way is he worth the kind of contract you people are talking about.

In comment 16013728 Greg from LI said:

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I'd vote for the tag. No way is he worth the kind of contract you people are talking about.

That’s weird. I set it up as only 1 vote per IP address. I’m not sure why it’s not working for you.

3 years, 100M, fully guaranteed. Guessing it ends up somewhere around there.

In comment 16013724 giantBCP said:

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In comment 16013721 Jack Stroud said: Quote: They need him, right now, with all respect to Thomas, he is the most valuable on the team! This is the trial balloon. Mara sanctioned it.

Truth! Free medium Pepsi for all who voted…

I also voted franchise tag but I am curious as to your comment - you don't think he will get 30-35/yr from the Giants or anyone else?
I'm not sure I agree with that. Lots of QB starved teams in the league right now

teams.. hes got ton of leverage hes going to get a good deal.. God help us if the Redskins hire Schurmur as OC.

Tag is non starter for a QB it ties up all of the cap. th will not be able to sign any FAs or offer contracts to our Future studs. We could see a Tag for the RB tho. much lower cap hit

In comment 16013663 Big Blue '56 said:

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I’d say $35-$40 would be more realistic as I see it

This!

next year and about 3 maybe 4 viable starters in this coming draft. Someone is going to pay DJ around 40m and my money is on the Giants being the ones to do it

In comment 16013750 LG in NYC said:

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I also voted franchise tag but I am curious as to your comment - you don't think he will get 30-35/yr from the Giants or anyone else? I'm not sure I agree with that. Lots of QB starved teams in the league right now

Oh, he'll get some big money deal, but I don't think he'll represent value at that money. I'm not sure how you build this great supporting cast around him while overpaying him.

In comment 16013753 TheBlueprintNC said:

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God help us if the Redskins hire Schurmur as OC.

lulz

I think the one thing the haters and fan club can agree on:

We want him back - but there is a cap on the price tag.

66% want to sign him
24% want to franchise tag him
10% want to see him walk

In comment 16013753 TheBlueprintNC said:

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teams.. hes got ton of leverage hes going to get a good deal.. God help us if the Redskins hire Schurmur as OC. Tag is non starter for a QB it ties up all of the cap. th will not be able to sign any FAs or offer contracts to our Future studs. We could see a Tag for the RB tho. much lower cap hit

There is not a single shred of evidence that Jones is wanted by 7 teams. Not a single shred. It's just something you are making up.

And I'm not hearing a single objective observer, not affiliated with the Giants, who think there are teams lining up to pay Jones 40 per.

In comment 16013692 giantBCP said:

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It shows you how vocal the minority is.

That's true in almost everything in life.

if we could get under a rookie contract with (in order) Stroud, Levis or Young

Getting on the rookie contract would be worth trading away some future draft comp.

By taking this long to see that Jones is a game manager-plus, and not an elite level QB, we're likely going to pay a salary for a player that's going to take too much infantry to get the most out of Jones.

In comment 16013758 outeiroj said:

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next year and about 3 maybe 4 viable starters in this coming draft. Someone is going to pay DJ around 40m and my money is on the Giants being the ones to do it

Then we're fools.

Ross Tucker has doubted Jones will get 40, others include, Cowherd, Mike Lombardi.

makes sense then let DJ walk. Probably try to tag and trade first of course.

If the Qb evals/likelihood are in question, then tag him and regroup next offseason.

In comment 16013766 CoughlinHandsonHips said:

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I think the one thing the haters and fan club can agree on: We want him back - but there is a cap on the price tag.

The haters don't want him back. According to the poll, the haters (about 11%) say let him walk.

In comment 16013781 bw in dc said:

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if we could get under a rookie contract with (in order) Stroud, Levis or Young Getting on the rookie contract would be worth trading away some future draft comp. By taking this long to see that Jones is a game manager-plus, and not an elite level QB, we're likely going to pay a salary for a player that's going to take too much infantry to get the most out of Jones.

We're also picking 25th, two of those QB's are going top 10. I'm not sure this franchise is in a position to trade 2-3 first round picks. Unless its egregious I think keeping Jones is the most logical move now.

is at this point, even if for 4-5 years. I would use the non-exclusive tag and see what the rest of the NFL thinks about him. Giants could either match or get 2 1’s.

I do think the Giants want Jones back, but not at any price. I can’t remember which game it was, but a loss in which Jones attempted 2 passes over 20 yards, and 4 more than 10, and afterwards Daboll rued them missing “numerous opportunities downfield”. I think they’d be comfortable in the 30-35 range for 2-3 years guaranteed, but outside of negotiating a deal prior to the FA window, the non-exclusive tag is the only option.

In comment 16013733 JoeyBigBlue said:

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In comment 16013728 Greg from LI said: Quote: I'd vote for the tag. No way is he worth the kind of contract you people are talking about. That’s weird. I set it up as only 1 vote per IP address. I’m not sure why it’s not working for you.

Using a VPN? Had to switch off to have vote counted

is going to be fascinating, moreso than this off-season.

I think Schoen is willing to play a pivot game on QB if he has to next 1-2 years.

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In comment 16013781 bw in dc said: Quote: if we could get under a rookie contract with (in order) Stroud, Levis or Young Getting on the rookie contract would be worth trading away some future draft comp. By taking this long to see that Jones is a game manager-plus, and not an elite level QB, we're likely going to pay a salary for a player that's going to take too much infantry to get the most out of Jones. We're also picking 25th, two of those QB's are going top 10. I'm not sure this franchise is in a position to trade 2-3 first round picks. Unless its egregious I think keeping Jones is the most logical move now.

It would be tricky for sure. The Lions are probably set with Goff going forward - going to be interesting to see how that plays out - and maybe they could be a target at #6.

Look, I'm just spit balling. Getting on that rookie contract is such a bonus if you hit on it...

If we were picking 15th instead of 25th its probably a different conversation. I think it makes more sense in the next few years.

10 who I think will be very interested in a QB if the evaluation (s) check out.

Can't see any situation where JS would be able to move up. If someone fell significantly maybe a buyer beware.

Non exclusive. Receive the two picks if you don't want to match and then JS will be in business. But that would be in the following two years. Then you hope a QB is in the draft.

Goff and Wentz signed for low 30s a couple of years ago and it's likely a cap inflated version of that. If it gets over 40, then I imagine it's dressed up and greatly favors the Giants. If the Giants are actually serious about a long term deal, then without question, mid-30s is the starting point. Jones wouldn't have incentive otherwise knowing the tag or open market is the alternative.

It's possible this is all lip service on the Giants part and they just plan to tag all along though. But if they're serious about a new deal, I think it's easy for both sides to know the starting point. From there it's just a matter of the two sides meeting in the middle when it comes to the types of commitments their looking for in terms of length, structure and guarantees.

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In comment 16013753 TheBlueprintNC said: Quote: teams.. hes got ton of leverage hes going to get a good deal.. God help us if the Redskins hire Schurmur as OC. Tag is non starter for a QB it ties up all of the cap. th will not be able to sign any FAs or offer contracts to our Future studs. We could see a Tag for the RB tho. much lower cap hit There is not a single shred of evidence that Jones is wanted by 7 teams. Not a single shred. It's just something you are making up. And I'm not hearing a single objective observer, not affiliated with the Giants, who think there are teams lining up to pay Jones 40 per.

I think it would be safe to say that some if not all of these below teams would consider Jones at upgrade at their qb spot... There 100% would be a market for him

1. Washington
2. Jets
3. Carolina
4. Raiders
5. Colts
6. Saints
7. Patriots
8. Titans