Full disclosure. I think the guy was a gamble as a pick-up. He's big, powerful, and young. However, there seems to be somewhat of a myth among BBI posters that Phillips played well as a Giant.
He played in 12 games with five starts, including four games at right tackle when Evan Neal was out and the regular-season finale at left tackle.
Here are Sy's reviews:
(Seahawks - was voted a dud) -Tyre Phillips, the fill-in at right tackle for rookie Evan Neal, had a poor game, the lowest grade on the line. He was flagged for two false starts (common in Seattle when the crowd is in it) and he also allowed both a pressure and a sack. His gap-blocking in the running game was the one positive, but he struggled mightily on outside-zone runs. He appeared to be confused and slow to react.
(Texans) -Right tackle Tyre Phillips had a few bad looks. He allowed a sack, a TFL, and was flagged for a false start. His game looks very “all or nothing.” He has tremendous power and size, but if the accuracy is not there, he is an easy guy to beat.
(Lions) On the other side, Tyre Phillips had to be relieved by Matt Peart because of a neck injury. Phillips allowed a pressure before departing and Peart struggled with 2 pressures and a TFL. His hands were all over the place and it threw off his body control.
(Cowboys) -The right side was responsible for four pressures (2 each by Mark Glowinski and Tyre Phillips). Glowinksi also allowed a 0.5 TFL and Phillips was called for a crucial penalty that came from him aimlessly working his way downfield for no reason on a passing play. I liked what I saw out of him as a run blocker though and I wonder if there is any thought on him returning to guard when Neal comes back. Not as a starter, but as an immediate backup if needed.
(Eagles) -Tyre Phillips got the start at left tackle, while Andrew Thomas was inactive. He allowed four pressures, and all things considered, was not bad. I will not label it a victory for the third-year veteran, but his run-blocking performance did help his overall grade a bit.
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BTW, although he has a built-in excuse for missing all of the spring and summer, as well as half the season, in the two games that he did see extensive snaps, Peart played like crap.
Is considered a huge need.
Giants may have Gates and or Feliciano (free agents)
Bredeson Glowinski and the two rookies from
North Carolina. If Neal does not improve or if Neal
or Thomas gets injured Giants are not going to improve.
Is considered a huge need.
Giants may have Gates and or Feliciano (free agents)
Bredeson Glowinski and the two rookies from
North Carolina. If Neal does not improve or if Neal
or Thomas gets injured Giants are not going to improve.
The Giants are not going to move Neal in 2023.
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Tackle is a huge need. IOL
Is considered a huge need.
Giants may have Gates and or Feliciano (free agents)
Bredeson Glowinski and the two rookies from
North Carolina. If Neal does not improve or if Neal
or Thomas gets injured Giants are not going to improve.
The Giants are not going to move Neal in 2023.
Was going to say this. Neal is the RT of the future until he's not. When is the potential that he will not be? If he doesn't improve year 2, unless there's a mitigating factor like playing with an injury, then you have to start planning for real competition at the spot. But Eric is right, 2023 season, it's Neal again at RT, I still feel confident he can develop into one of the better tackles in the game.
I get it, we all wanted more. With OL, the bad plays always stick out more than the good plays, and I've seen enough of him that I don't believe there's any physical traits holding him back, it's just consistency and technique. So you have to trust the coaching staff they will continue to work with him and get better results, because the raw material is very high quality, much better than most rookie tackles.
Schoen has to make sure he has a reasonable bench at OT for injury purposes, but Neal is the starting Right Tackle for 2023 folks. And it's not debatable.
If next January you feel the same about him as you do now because he isn't showing better, then a different plan might have to go into place (presuming Schoen/Daboll feel the same).
It's the planet theory. There are only so many guys capable of playing NFL tackle. If you have 3 or 4 of them, don't be stupid wasting draft capital on trying to get another one.
Phillips 22 (199 pass block snaps) = 3 sacks, 4 penalties, 16 hurries
Neal 22 (453 pass block snaps) = 7 sacks, 7 penalties, 39 hurries
Solder 21 (586 pass block snaps) = 6 sacks, 6 penalties, 36 hurries
so in terms of per play production, it looks like he was pretty close to the same as neal, and both were actually a little worse than solder last year (who was obviously brutal).
so it shouldnt really be a surprise all 3 ranked as poorly as they did.
Almost definitely, he will be on the 90-man roster if he wants to be. He may not make the 53 but, after the draft, the Giants will have to sort out the guards and tackles to see what they have.
Peart is completely different. Impressive physically, but he doesn’t grab the opportunities he has been given. Same as with Phillips, they need to find out if Peart can play somewhere (G or T). Unless they want to save a little cap space by cutting Peart, he will be in camp on the 90-man roster.
Another present bestowed by our former GM who just keeps giving gifts...
Another present bestowed by our former GM who just keeps giving gifts...
More accurately, the Giants are done with Peart.
shot at RT but a third tackle
is a must in case he plays
poorly or there is an injury
It's the planet theory. There are only so many guys capable of playing NFL tackle. If you have 3 or 4 of them, don't be stupid wasting draft capital on trying to get another one.
I'm not "giving up" on either Neal or Phillips (though this is Phillips' second team). What I'm trying to dispel was the myth that the line would have been better with Phillips at right tackle.
shot at RT but a third tackle
is a must in case he plays
poorly or there is an injury
I agree. We can't be sure that Neal is going to develop into a good tackle. He hasn't shown enough to this point.
He's not long for this roster.
The question is whether Phillips has enough agility to play guard. I'm not sure of that either, because if he does, then why did the Ravens release him? But I agree that is where they should try and play him.
We definitely need a third tackle.
Neal will get every chance next year to prove that he’s not going to be a turnstile when he plays the Cowboys and Eagles . I hope he does . And I’m generally optimistic. about his fortunes . Just saying , in my opinion, there wasn’t much to distinguish the play of Neal and Phillips this season .
What is plan B especially considering Neal showed absolutely no improvement over the course of the year.
Neal has been very disappointing. So having played o line all these years suddenly his balance and foot work are going to take a quantum leap. I hope so but I doubt it.
Who ever is scouting o line for the Giants has done a terrible job over the years.
It's the planet theory. There are only so many guys capable of playing NFL tackle. If you have 3 or 4 of them, don't be stupid wasting draft capital on trying to get another one.
Solder didn't play in 2020.
The OL must become a strength....if we want to jump to the top of the NFC East.
It's the planet theory. There are only so many guys capable of playing NFL tackle. If you have 3 or 4 of them, don't be stupid wasting draft capital on trying to get another one.
I don't think you are interpreting "the planet theory" in the way that it was intended.