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Giants comp picks-final analysis from Nick Korte

YANKEE28 : 1/25/2023 6:40 pm
Those of you that follow the draft are probably familiar with Nick Korte over at Over The Cap.

He has been historically extremely accurate at predicting which teams will get comp picks and in what rounds.

Last night he made his final prediction prior to this year's draft:

1. Bad news for Giants- he feels that the Mark Glowinski signing will cancel out the Giants getting a comp pick for losing Evan Engram.

2. Good news for Giants- he is predicting a 6th rounder for the Giants losing Lorenzo Carter and a 7th rounder for the Giants losing Keion Crossen.

His previous prediction had been a 5th and 7th to the Giants, so I slight downward change.

If you go to his website, click on NFCE to see the NFC East teams and the players they signed and lost.
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Thanks Y28, but I did see he posted this qualifier re Glowinski/Engram  
FranknWeezer : 1/25/2023 6:44 pm : link
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New York Giants
If Mark Glowinski’s contract is valued in the 6th round, the New York Giants will get a 5th for Evan Engram instead of a 6th for Lorenzo Carter.

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Thanks YANKEE28  
chick310 : 1/25/2023 6:45 pm : link
Maybe Schoen can convert one of those picks into the next rookie sensation at RB once we let Saquon go.

Use that extra 7th on a long snapper!  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 1/25/2023 6:47 pm : link
Do Schoene and Daboll really want to hitch their wagon to a holdover from the Gettleman era? Get your guy on a cheap rookie deal and build that championship core!
FW  
YANKEE28 : 1/25/2023 6:49 pm : link
Yes- I saw that, but think it best on BBI to be happily surprised instead of wildly disappointed..................
That would be 11 picks  
arniefez : 1/25/2023 7:06 pm : link
This year? If so hopefully most are healthy rookie hits.
Great information  
Mark from Jersey : 1/25/2023 7:07 pm : link
thanks for posing Y28
Too many snaps for Glo  
Pepe LePugh : 1/25/2023 7:37 pm : link
Or too few for several players with similar salaries bumped him into 5th round range.
RE: Use that extra 7th on a long snapper!  
dancing blue bear : 1/25/2023 7:41 pm : link
In comment 16014129 HopePhil and Optimistic said:
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Do Schoene and Daboll really want to hitch their wagon to a holdover from the Gettleman era? Get your guy on a cheap rookie deal and build that championship core!



Pathetic on so many levels. Trey junkin is available. And CHEAP!!!!! woohoo
the 32 slot difference isn't a huge change at that point in draft  
Eric on Li : 1/25/2023 7:47 pm : link
it is not uncommon to select a player like darrian beavers to end up looking better than micah mcfadden picked 35 spots earlier. obviously earlier is better but if there's a player whose value stands out after the top 120 it's not expensive to move up for that player and it's a lot smarter to do that than hope the guy falls to 150 or 180.
Giants should draft a punter with the extra 7th  
Rick in Dallas : 1/25/2023 7:54 pm : link
Not a fan of the Hammer
I'll never understand  
k2tampa : 1/25/2023 8:00 pm : link
How a 1 year $9 million contract is considered equal to 3 years and $18 million. Or $8 million guaranteed in one year versus $11 million guaranteed over three.
RE: Giants should draft a punter with the extra 7th  
FranknWeezer : 1/25/2023 8:51 pm : link
In comment 16014203 Rick in Dallas said:
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Not a fan of the Hammer


Definitely. But the new guy needs to have a badass name like Stonebreaker or Anger. Not a made-up nickname like our Scotsman.
Tyrod Taylor  
Samiam : 1/25/2023 10:18 pm : link
What do we lose for signing him given that he played very sparingly but signed 2 yrs at $11m?
Any insight on  
JFIB : 1/26/2023 9:02 am : link
The Chiefs pick we’re getting for Toney?
RE: I'll never understand  
Eric on Li : 1/26/2023 9:49 am : link
In comment 16014211 k2tampa said:
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How a 1 year $9 million contract is considered equal to 3 years and $18 million. Or $8 million guaranteed in one year versus $11 million guaranteed over three.


it's just a ranking that slots the contracts in based on a few different factors.

AAV is the first factor so the initial comp pick list is just a list from highest to lowest AAV. So 9m was ahead of 6m.

once the season begins playing time and some other factors come in that re-adjust all the rankings (and further changes the rankings depending on which gains/losses cancel each other out).

then you get the comp pick associated with where the contracts rank.

so if initially by aav among qualifiers:
engrams contract ranked 10th,
and glowinskis ranked 20th,
and carters ranked 23rd,

initially glowinski canceled out the carter pick because they were closer together.

if playing time and other changes pushed glowinski's up to rank 13th and engrams stayed at 10th then the 2 became close enough to cancel each other out. it sounds like glowinski is in a borderline zone in between the value of 2 contracts the nyg lost and it could go either way.

those are made up numbers just to illustrate the concept.
RE: Any insight on  
SJGiant : 1/26/2023 10:56 am : link
In comment 16014464 JFIB said:
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The Chiefs pick we’re getting for Toney?


According to Tankathon website, we get the 101st pick overall in the draft for Toney.
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Two of lifes  
YANKEE28 : 1/26/2023 11:21 am : link
greatest mysteries:

1. Learning the Colonel's finger lickin' good recipe

2. Learning Goodell's comp pick algorithm
Thanks for posting Y28  
eric2425ny : 1/26/2023 11:41 am : link
So if this pans out we’ll have 11 total draft picks. With 5 of those picks being in round 6 and 7. Hoping Schoen can maybe package some of these up with other picks to move around within the draft.

I’d love to see them find a way to move up from 25 to get Johnston from TCU. 6’4, 215, runs good routes, strong, fast for a big receiver. Based on Kiper and Brooks’ recent mocks they don’t have any receivers in their top 10. Not that this is how it will go down, but moving from 25 to maybe the 11-12 range should be cheaper than moving into the top 10.
RE: RE: I'll never understand  
k2tampa : 1/26/2023 11:49 am : link
In comment 16014516 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16014211 k2tampa said:


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How a 1 year $9 million contract is considered equal to 3 years and $18 million. Or $8 million guaranteed in one year versus $11 million guaranteed over three.



it's just a ranking that slots the contracts in based on a few different factors.

AAV is the first factor so the initial comp pick list is just a list from highest to lowest AAV. So 9m was ahead of 6m.

once the season begins playing time and some other factors come in that re-adjust all the rankings (and further changes the rankings depending on which gains/losses cancel each other out).

then you get the comp pick associated with where the contracts rank.

so if initially by aav among qualifiers:
engrams contract ranked 10th,
and glowinskis ranked 20th,
and carters ranked 23rd,

initially glowinski canceled out the carter pick because they were closer together.

if playing time and other changes pushed glowinski's up to rank 13th and engrams stayed at 10th then the 2 became close enough to cancel each other out. it sounds like glowinski is in a borderline zone in between the value of 2 contracts the nyg lost and it could go either way.

those are made up numbers just to illustrate the concept.


Yet Engram outplayed his contract while Glowinski didn't.
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