Spotrac is usually in the range of these contracts.
Market Value
3 yrs, $78,818,028
Avg. Salary: $26,272,676
NFL Rank: 22
QB Rank: 15 |
The comparable contracts referenced were Tannehill, Trubisky, Garoppolo and Winston.
This would be great news for the Giants. If Schoen can lock up Jones to a deal like this, it allows to continue to build this roster and utilize this competitive window.
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Are there going to be multiple teams willing to go over $30 million on a long term deal for Jones? I don’t think the market is going to be what people think it’s going to be.
I think Team Giants POV is this:
- Jones bought himself 2 years minimum. If he fizzles next year it's 1 good year, 1 bad year under the regime. And 2024 is the tie breaker.
- Dressing up a 2-year 80/M guaranteed agreement with additional years and earned guarantees is completely in the Giants best interest.
- The leverage the Giants have: Jones could turn into a pumpkin or get injured in 2023, 80M in hand is better than 32M.
I think Team Giants best and final should be 5/200M, with 80M guaranteed, with 20M additional conveying to guarantees based on 2023 performance.
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Will not come out that favorably for Jones.
Team Jones has places to go from this year's performance: QBR, TD/INT ratio, completion%.
After that, it's really a conversation based on "Imagine if..."
Imagine if he didn't have Judge...
Imagine if he had Daboll his four years...
Imagine if he had a WR1...
Imagine if he has a TE1
Imagine if he has a top ten OL...
Etc.
It's such a bizarre situation with Team Jones. Just as much as you can say the light finally went on and he's about to ascend (I think that's the latest buzzword), one can just as easily say Jones got hot against poor teams and his performance may be somewhat illusory.
LOL. Jones didn't "get hot against poor teams". He was really good all season, going back to game 1 (yes, he did have some not so good games this season. As did every other player on the team. As did almost every other QB in the league. But I digress).
And of course you use the "imagine" game as some sort of strike against him.
All those are legit things to for your QB to have.
A top 10 OL would be great! But no one is expecting that. But it would be great for him to have one that isn't ranked 30th. Call me crazy...
It's not a big ask to have one WR1. Now, would it be awesome TWO WR1 like Hebert, Hurts, Purdy/Jimmy G? Sure! But let's not be greedy - we'll take 1.
And yes, Judge did fuck him up, no matter how much you don't want to admit it.
Once again, you use excuses for other QB's, but don't acknowledge those same excuses for Jones.
Waaaah! Hebert didn't have his top two receivers for a few games! His OL sucked!
Waaaah! Lawrence was damaged by Meyer!
Meanwhile Judge makes Meyer look like Bellichik. And Jones had him for TWO years.
But don't let facts get in the way of a your narrative.
One could easily say that if they wished to present as a fool. 9-7-1 and won a playoff game away. It was whole season.
You are trolling because you are mad you put so much print on this site about Jones that makes you look ridiculous. Your buzz this season was "sustainable" how did that work out for you?
Jones is a Giant in 2023 and beyond. What would you be willing to wager?
Well, you are misreading what I write and applying your own tone. I am not mad at all.
I just don't see this situation as a slam dunk conclusion and Jones now deserves X, Y and Z. It's more complicated than 'Hey, Jones had a winning record! Call Brinks!...'
And, yes, I agree that Jones will be here in 2023.
- x amount of wins
- playoffs
- less turnovers
- injury free
This minority on BBI really want is a franchise QB on a rookie deal for the next 4 years. The same people don’t want to endure 5 win seasons. Nobody knows if each side wants the same things. If I were DJ and the Giants wanted to go with another prove it deal I would have to consider what other teams would offer in terms $$ and roster support. Contrary to what this minority thinks there will be offers.
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One could easily say that if they wished to present as a fool. 9-7-1 and won a playoff game away. It was whole season.
You are trolling because you are mad you put so much print on this site about Jones that makes you look ridiculous. Your buzz this season was "sustainable" how did that work out for you?
Jones is a Giant in 2023 and beyond. What would you be willing to wager?
Well, you are misreading what I write and applying your own tone. I am not mad at all.
I just don't see this situation as a slam dunk conclusion and Jones now deserves X, Y and Z. It's more complicated than 'Hey, Jones had a winning record! Call Brinks!...'
And, yes, I agree that Jones will be here in 2023.
Some people are unbelievable. It's not enough to concede that Jones is most likely going to be a Giant in 2023, but now we have to say that Jones is worth $35 million per year.
If the Giants like him, the idea should be to keep him for AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. This isn't about DJ's feelings, it's about business. Make a plan, set a budget, and stick with it.
Nobody's head is going to explode if Jones is the QB in 2023, but if he's not it seems likely a lot of people are going to have a complete breakdown.
I totally agree with this when I put my Team Jones hat on.
If Schoen throws down the gauntlet with the Transition Tag, Team Jones knows the floor is $26M, but they are free to hit the open market to test if they can get a deal = or > than the TT.
If they go NEFT, Team Jones that are going to pocket $32M+.
If I'm Team Jones, I'm looking at the midpoint of the NEF and EFT for an AAV of $36M+ and $100M guaranteed.
...and you think that grossly overpaying Jones for what he brings to the table and crippling the Giants cap is something that should be celebrated?
Nobody's head is going to explode if Jones is the QB in 2023, but if he's not it seems likely a lot of people are going to have a complete breakdown.
I think you nailed it here.
I expect Jones to be here for 2023. It's just a matter if 2023 is another one-year audition for Jones. Or it's the first year of a multi-year deal.
- x amount of wins
- playoffs
- less turnovers
- injury free
This minority on BBI really want is a franchise QB on a rookie deal for the next 4 years. The same people don’t want to endure 5 win seasons. Nobody knows if each side wants the same things. If I were DJ and the Giants wanted to go with another prove it deal I would have to consider what other teams would offer in terms $$ and roster support. Contrary to what this minority thinks there will be offers.
What if the Giants only win 7 games next year and we still don’t have a clear answer if he’s the franchise QB?
There’s a realistic chance the Giants take a slight step back next year even with an improved roster. What if Jones has a similar year to this one and the Giants are locked in a 4 year $140 million contract? Then what?
The people who believe Jones is worth $35-$40 million are basing that off of what they think happens if the WRs and oline are improved. But any contract the Giants sign with Jones this offseason is going to be a combination of that and what if that doesn’t happen. They aren’t handing over $35-40 million on a multi year deal based off of one OK year, that’s potential career suicide.
Jones can be insulted and go see what else is on the market if he wants, but it’s not going to be much higher than the Giants offer and it’s irrelevant. The Giants have the tags and can force him into two more prove it years if they so choose.
Which underscores what I suggested earlier, but in simpler terms: it's a difficult evaluation going forward with Jones.
I wish I had the clairvoyancy as others to know with such certainty that Jones only has one place to go now - to the top five of QBs in the NFL.
The Papa and Banks podcast, right? Sounded like they were talking directly to the idiots on here. The same idiots who have been proven wrong year after year. If nothing else, it's been fun to laugh at them every year.
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North of $37m per. That’s what makes sense. But there is no convincing some.
The Papa and Banks podcast, right? Sounded like they were talking directly to the idiots on here. The same idiots who have been proven wrong year after year. If nothing else, it's been fun to laugh at them every year.
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North of $37m per. That’s what makes sense. But there is no convincing some.
...and you think that grossly overpaying Jones for what he brings to the table and crippling the Giants cap is something that should be celebrated?
It’s grossly overpay says who. You?
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North of $37m per. That’s what makes sense. But there is no convincing some.
...and you think that grossly overpaying Jones for what he brings to the table and crippling the Giants cap is something that should be celebrated?
It’s grossly overpay says who. You?
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North of $37m per. That’s what makes sense. But there is no convincing some.
...and you think that grossly overpaying Jones for what he brings to the table and crippling the Giants cap is something that should be celebrated?
It’s grossly overpay says who. You?
Lol. I can play that game too. Who says he is actually worth being paid that much. You?
Team Jones will look for a 5 year deal and I think the Giants will want years 4 and 5 to be voidable. Jones will want more security than that.
The annual dollars will likely by in that $35M range.
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North of $37m per. That’s what makes sense. But there is no convincing some.
...and you think that grossly overpaying Jones for what he brings to the table and crippling the Giants cap is something that should be celebrated?
It’s grossly overpay says who. You?
Lol. I can play that game too. Who says he is actually worth being paid that much. You?
Well, I think if you wait you will see that Joe Schoen says that. But hey, you can tell him Sportrak says he was wrong.
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North of $37m per. That’s what makes sense. But there is no convincing some.
...and you think that grossly overpaying Jones for what he brings to the table and crippling the Giants cap is something that should be celebrated?
It’s grossly overpay says who. You?
Lol. I can play that game too. Who says he is actually worth being paid that much. You?
Well, I think if you wait you will see that Joe Schoen says that. But hey, you can tell him Sportrak says he was wrong.
Paying a QB that hasn't thrown 1 TD per game, for 3 consecutive seasons, $37 million per year would be ludicrous.
If Jones won't take what his productions says he should be paid, $15-20 million per year, and the Giants are dead set on bringing him back, just non-exclusive tag him.
I hope they give him the non-exclusive tag...then we'll all see what his real market value is. No team would give up 2 1st round picks for DJ, so it's doubtful he'd get any offers.
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North of $37m per. That’s what makes sense. But there is no convincing some.
...and you think that grossly overpaying Jones for what he brings to the table and crippling the Giants cap is something that should be celebrated?
It’s grossly overpay says who. You?
Lol. I can play that game too. Who says he is actually worth being paid that much. You?
Well, I think if you wait you will see that Joe Schoen says that. But hey, you can tell him Sportrak says he was wrong.
Paying a QB that hasn't thrown 1 TD per game, for 3 consecutive seasons, $37 million per year would be ludicrous.
If Jones won't take what his productions says he should be paid, $15-20 million per year, and the Giants are dead set on bringing him back, just non-exclusive tag him.
I hope they give him the non-exclusive tag...then we'll all see what his real market value is. No team would give up 2 1st round picks for DJ, so it's doubtful he'd get any offers.
Just stop posting on this. You want him gone, so why offer anything?
Couple of things
1) 40M AAV is about to be second tier
2) It's important to look at the annual values over like years
To the 2nd point, Mahome's AAV in the 5-year period beginning 2023 is 48M, Murray's is 42.
Hurts and Burrow will exceed 50, maybe Herbert too.
Personally, I think they pay Jones 40M AAV for two years, and see where it goes.
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The people who said they needed to see :
- x amount of wins
- playoffs
- less turnovers
- injury free
This minority on BBI really want is a franchise QB on a rookie deal for the next 4 years. The same people don’t want to endure 5 win seasons. Nobody knows if each side wants the same things. If I were DJ and the Giants wanted to go with another prove it deal I would have to consider what other teams would offer in terms $$ and roster support. Contrary to what this minority thinks there will be offers.
What if the Giants only win 7 games next year and we still don’t have a clear answer if he’s the franchise QB?
There’s a realistic chance the Giants take a slight step back next year even with an improved roster. What if Jones has a similar year to this one and the Giants are locked in a 4 year $140 million contract? Then what?
The people who believe Jones is worth $35-$40 million are basing that off of what they think happens if the WRs and oline are improved. But any contract the Giants sign with Jones this offseason is going to be a combination of that and what if that doesn’t happen. They aren’t handing over $35-40 million on a multi year deal based off of one OK year, that’s potential career suicide.
Jones can be insulted and go see what else is on the market if he wants, but it’s not going to be much higher than the Giants offer and it’s irrelevant. The Giants have the tags and can force him into two more prove it years if they so choose.
Dude, the Giants were the laughing stock of the league and the owners were embarrassed in a big way last year. There is nothing they hate more. Jones isn't walking. Think about Mara's quote on screwing Jones up and then Jones won a playoff game.
JONES made the owner look smart. Almost impossible. If you think Jones isn't a Giant for the next 5 years you have not really been following this team. The fans were chanting the QBs name. Mara was in the building. HE FELT THAT.
DONE DEAL DUDES!!!
Jones will get locked up for 5, it will be contentious and they will need to use the tag because team Jones is going to want 40m per.
Buckle up.
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The rest of the division would celebrate.
Couple of things
1) 40M AAV is about to be second tier
2) It's important to look at the annual values over like years
To the 2nd point, Mahome's AAV in the 5-year period beginning 2023 is 48M, Murray's is 42.
Hurts and Burrow will exceed 50, maybe Herbert too.
Personally, I think they pay Jones 40M AAV for two years, and see where it goes.
You really don't now that. You are assuming as contracts go up for the elites, that contracts will rise commensurately for other tiers. but what we have found is that is not the case in most sports. If you are half as good as the elite, usually you don't get half, you get a tenth. There is no reason to pay the QB middle class 90% of what the elites get. This has proved to be a losing strategy which has failed just about every time. It is overpaying for mediocrity.
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North of $37m per. That’s what makes sense. But there is no convincing some.
...and you think that grossly overpaying Jones for what he brings to the table and crippling the Giants cap is something that should be celebrated?
It’s grossly overpay says who. You?
So far:
Ross Tucker
Cowherd
Lombardi
You site Cowherd like he is some kind of football analyst. His job is literally licking the balls of sports celebrities. He praises Teddy Bridgewater more than you praised Russell Wilson.
DONE DEAL DUDES!!!
I doubt you have to convince anyone that Mara is a simp. That's been made perfectly clear repeatedly.
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North of $37m per. That’s what makes sense. But there is no convincing some.
...and you think that grossly overpaying Jones for what he brings to the table and crippling the Giants cap is something that should be celebrated?
It’s grossly overpay says who. You?
So far:
Ross Tucker
Cowherd
Lombardi
You site Cowherd like he is some kind of football analyst. His job is literally licking the balls of sports celebrities. He praises Teddy Bridgewater more than you praised Russell Wilson.
Just keeping track of the objective observers and where they stand on the Jones salary. These folks know people in the NFL. They hear what sentiment is. They could be wrong, but so far, by my count, it's 3-0 Jones doesn't warrant 40M.
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North of $37m per. That’s what makes sense. But there is no convincing some.
...and you think that grossly overpaying Jones for what he brings to the table and crippling the Giants cap is something that should be celebrated?
It’s grossly overpay says who. You?
Lol. I can play that game too. Who says he is actually worth being paid that much. You?
Well, I think if you wait you will see that Joe Schoen says that. But hey, you can tell him Sportrak says he was wrong.
Paying a QB that hasn't thrown 1 TD per game, for 3 consecutive seasons, $37 million per year would be ludicrous.
If Jones won't take what his productions says he should be paid, $15-20 million per year, and the Giants are dead set on bringing him back, just non-exclusive tag him.
I hope they give him the non-exclusive tag...then we'll all see what his real market value is. No team would give up 2 1st round picks for DJ, so it's doubtful he'd get any offers.
Just stop posting on this. You want him gone, so why offer anything?
Tell us all. What team is going to give DJ $20+ million, on a multiyear deal, and give up 2 1st round picks?
That's the Giants reality. You can beat your head against the wall about what you think he's worth and I do agree it's an "overpay", but that's the cost of business. It's tag him or work something out that's more favorable to both parties. Because the tag does have downsides for the Giants as well. IMO the ideal is getting him on a dressed up 2yr, even if it approaches the dreaded 40AAV. Flexibility is the biggest lever from the Giants perspective for all the reasons the skeptics outlined in this thread.
I am a big DJ supporter but the end of season talk on both sides didn’t sound like a ringing endorsed either way. I see Jones either playing on the Franchise tag or walking. I get the sense the sides are far apart and won’t be able to close a long term deal. Just reading the tea leaves and my opinion.
For some reason Barkley seems like more of a priority than Jones. If the offers we hear for Barkley turning down $12 mil are accurate that’s just crazy. Barkley started strong and then had an up and down season. I wouldn’t commit big long term money to him. If I were the Giants I would place the tag on Barkley and sign Jones to a long term deal. Odds are against Barkley staying healthy. He played better than the last few years but I think we saw his ceiling this year.
That’s my 2 cents with no inside knowledge
I trust Schoen and Daboll had and have a plan in place. This past season does change things a bit. We're picking 25th, its just not the draft to trade up for a QB unless someone falls. If Levis falls to the 12-15 range maybe they could jump up.
They have money to pay to him, he looks to be somewhere between the 10-15 range of quarterbacks. While you can do better you're not necessarily moving on for the sake of moving on.
This roster is not near the elite pack of teams yet. You get there by drafting well and accumulating cost controlled talent. The Giants are not in a position to trade multiple first round picks, if anything they need to consider trading proven players for more draft capital.
I find the idea of this far fetched, to the point absurdity.
I find the idea of this far fetched, to the point absurdity.
I'm just saying I doubt the market outside of the Giants is 40M. Doesn't mean the Giants won't lose their minds and give him a big contract because they have convinced themselves an ok player is a great player. And if they make that mistake I expect it will be abundantly clear, pretty soon, it is a total Giants fiasco.
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You know what is going to happen right? Not what you think should happen, but what will actually happen. Think about football history. Can you ever remember a team being bad for a good stretch, making the playoffs, winning a playoff game and immediately let the QB walk that they drafted in round 1?
I find the idea of this far fetched, to the point absurdity.
I'm just saying I doubt the market outside of the Giants is 40M. Doesn't mean the Giants won't lose their minds and give him a big contract because they have convinced themselves an ok player is a great player. And if they make that mistake I expect it will be abundantly clear, pretty soon, it is a total Giants fiasco.
Keeping in mind, fiasco would be putting it lightly if we had pulled the trigger on the Wilson trade. Not only would we be paying him more for less...we'd have less cap space and draft picks to build with.
I think we are in a good spot right now...
Dude, the Giants were the laughing stock of the league and the owners were embarrassed in a big way last year. There is nothing they hate more. Jones isn't walking. Think about Mara's quote on screwing Jones up and then Jones won a playoff game.
JONES made the owner look smart. Almost impossible. If you think Jones isn't a Giant for the next 5 years you have not really been following this team. The fans were chanting the QBs name. Mara was in the building. HE FELT THAT.
DONE DEAL DUDES!!!
Jones will get locked up for 5, it will be contentious and they will need to use the tag because team Jones is going to want 40m per.
Buckle up.
If we’re going to pay guys more than they’re worth because the fans chanted their name then this isn’t a serious franchise.
Jones is going to be the QB next year, but he’s not getting a 5 year deal unless it’s really a 2-3 year deal dressed up as a 5 year deal. He’s also not getting anything over $35 million on a 5 year deal.
Feelings and optics aside, Schoen isn’t risking his job on a 5 year $200-$250 million dollar deal without seeing a step up next year. You guys may want to pretend that years 1-3 didn’t happen, but that’s not how things work in reality. It’s going to be either the tag, or a 2-3 year deal around the tag number.
Another thing, the offense likely won’t undergo a drastic improvement next year given the state of the WR FA market. So if Jones does end up signing for $40+ million for 5 years, there better be no complaining about supporting casts.