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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/26/2023 8:45 am
Q: When do you plan to start those negotiations with the agents about extensions? Is there any urgency to get it done before that tag deadline to lock one of those guys in?

Schoen: We haven’t discussed that yet. Again, we’re going to meet as a staff on Thursday. We’ve got all-star games coming up. The last couple days have been a lot of – we did exit meetings yesterday with the entire football team, each player individually, working on calendars as we move forward the next couple weeks, so we mirror personnel calendars with the coaches. We’ll have those meetings on Thursday, and those will continue through the weekend.
Yup. No such thing as an off-season anymore. 2023 season has begun.  
Victor in CT : 1/26/2023 8:48 am : link
For the first time in ages I actually feel confident in the decision makers.
Yes, we can expect  
Bob from Massachusetts : 1/26/2023 8:50 am : link
announcements on the new contracts for Jones and Barkley tomorrow. We might have to wait until next week for the others...
Yes it is -- Don't expect to hear much till sometime next week  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/26/2023 8:52 am : link
if they are meeting through the weekend

One really gets the sense that this group doesn't just throw darts
RE: Yup. No such thing as an off-season anymore. 2023 season has begun.  
Gruber : 1/26/2023 9:24 am : link
In comment 16014449 Victor in CT said:
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For the first time in ages I actually feel confident in the decision makers.


Believe me, this is a guy who does his homework.
No way would he have drafted Kadarius Toney or DeAndre Baker.
Have to figure Daniel Jones is the first order of business  
Chris684 : 1/26/2023 9:28 am : link
Everything else they will do revolves around that situation.
not to be a wet blanket but id guess not much happens until march  
Eric on Li : 1/26/2023 9:42 am : link
jones + saquons agents each know the same way we do they cant tag both of them, so there's a chance one of them hits the open market.

the combine is a notorious legal tampering venue for early FA conversations to begin because all of the agents and gms are together having a multitude of discussions just weeks ahead of UFA.

each of their agents is likely to gauge their markets and take their conversations right up to the deadline in march before UFA to exhaust every permissible conversation they can to see what kind of market is out there for "a top rb in FA" or a "dual threat 26 year old starting QB". both players are close enough to UFA that they are unlikely to sign below what the UFA prices would be.
RE: not to be a wet blanket but id guess not much happens until march  
mittenedman : 1/26/2023 9:51 am : link
In comment 16014511 Eric on Li said:
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jones + saquons agents each know the same way we do they cant tag both of them, so there's a chance one of them hits the open market.

the combine is a notorious legal tampering venue for early FA conversations to begin because all of the agents and gms are together having a multitude of discussions just weeks ahead of UFA.

each of their agents is likely to gauge their markets and take their conversations right up to the deadline in march before UFA to exhaust every permissible conversation they can to see what kind of market is out there for "a top rb in FA" or a "dual threat 26 year old starting QB". both players are close enough to UFA that they are unlikely to sign below what the UFA prices would be.


The agents don’t wait for the Combine. Their job is to know their clients’ market value at all times, and they do.
I have confidence in this front office  
Rjanyg : 1/26/2023 10:07 am : link
Schoen and Brown seem to have a plan and Daboll can obviously coach and get the most out of his players.

I can see Jones being done prior to the end of the season. I can also see Dexter given a long term deal. These are the guys you build around.

Barkley and Love will also be guys they will focus on. I can see Barkley tagged if they can't agree on the numbers.
RE: RE: not to be a wet blanket but id guess not much happens until march  
Eric on Li : 1/26/2023 10:12 am : link
In comment 16014519 mittenedman said:
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In comment 16014511 Eric on Li said:


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jones + saquons agents each know the same way we do they cant tag both of them, so there's a chance one of them hits the open market.

the combine is a notorious legal tampering venue for early FA conversations to begin because all of the agents and gms are together having a multitude of discussions just weeks ahead of UFA.

each of their agents is likely to gauge their markets and take their conversations right up to the deadline in march before UFA to exhaust every permissible conversation they can to see what kind of market is out there for "a top rb in FA" or a "dual threat 26 year old starting QB". both players are close enough to UFA that they are unlikely to sign below what the UFA prices would be.



The agents don’t wait for the Combine. Their job is to know their clients’ market value at all times, and they do.


the agents may know their market value but they dont know what moves teams are going to make and how much cap room they will have.

they dont know if aaron rodgers is going to retire or not.

they dont know who is going to trade for hopkins.

they dont know that the raiders are about to give up 30m for davante adams or the dolphins for tyreek hill.

the teams who made deals like that last year in early march likely didn't know themselves that they were going to get those players or that they were even available until february. the jets went aggressively for hill and didnt get him, which then gave them a lot of money to pivot to other players.

so yes jones' agent has a number that he believes his client to be worth. you can bet the aav of his agent's starting position is > 40m per year right now, and likely to stay there right past the moment the giants acknowledge he's not far off that amount if he gets tagged at 32m.
 
christian : 1/26/2023 10:24 am : link
Market value is what a team is willing to pay their client given the facts on the ground when free agency begins.

If Jones or Barkley signs soon, one side made a mistake. That would be a signal the Giants blew them away with an offer, or the agent was stupid enough to not wait for the market to develop.
I think first it’ll be Y/N on players  
Joe Beckwith : 1/26/2023 10:36 am : link
then price ranges with the appropriate staff on Ys, then negotiations.
they don't know 100% who their coordinators will be  
HomerJones45 : 1/26/2023 11:38 am : link
Kafka and Martindale are still in the mix for head coaching gigs.
or  
HomerJones45 : 1/26/2023 11:42 am : link
[quote]so yes jones' agent has a number that he believes his client to be worth. you can bet the aav of his agent's starting position is > 40m per year right now, and likely to stay there right past the moment the giants acknowledge he's not far off that amount if he gets tagged at 32m.[\quote]the front office finishes laughing
Jones and SB contracts won't be done anytime soon  
JonC : 1/26/2023 11:54 am : link
Suspect they're rather far apart with NYG ... 12 vs 16 for SB, and for Jones his camp has to be looking at surpassing not only the baseline tag but Cousins et al.
My hope is that Schoen has top line numbers for both DJ and SB  
Rick in Dallas : 1/26/2023 12:03 pm : link
And doesn’t deviate from those top line numbers in negotiations.
Do much to do to close the talent gap on this team
RE: RE: Yup. No such thing as an off-season anymore. 2023 season has begun.  
HarryCarson53 : 1/26/2023 12:13 pm : link
In comment 16014483 Gruber said:
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Believe me, this is a guy who does his homework.
No way would he have drafted Kadarius Toney or DeAndre Baker.

He drafted Evan Neal at 7 and a midget in the 2nd rd.
On the bright side  
Payasdaddy : 1/26/2023 12:32 pm : link
Offseason a lot shorter when your season isn’t over on Halloween.
Combine in 5 weeks, FA in around 7 weeks
Draft in 90 days
I will be in Italy for draft. Boo. Voiced my concerns to my wife, she said I was ridiculous. Lol.
Will be checking out BBI quiet a bit.
RE: RE: RE: Yup. No such thing as an off-season anymore. 2023 season has begun.  
GiantGrit : 1/26/2023 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16014718 HarryCarson53 said:
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Believe me, this is a guy who does his homework.
No way would he have drafted Kadarius Toney or DeAndre Baker.


He drafted Evan Neal at 7 and a midget in the 2nd rd.


Both fair points, lets see how he does with a full year of implementing his system. Can't judge a class off their first season.
RE: RE: RE: Yup. No such thing as an off-season anymore. 2023 season has begun.  
RCPhoenix : 1/26/2023 3:20 pm : link
In comment 16014718 HarryCarson53 said:
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In comment 16014483 Gruber said:


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Believe me, this is a guy who does his homework.
No way would he have drafted Kadarius Toney or DeAndre Baker.


He drafted Evan Neal at 7 and a midget in the 2nd rd.


Neal was #2 on the Cowboys draft board, so let's not pretend he wasn't highly rated. Robinson was starting to play well before the ACL injury - which has nothing to do with his height.
Let's be intellectually honest here about Robinson  
JonC : 1/26/2023 3:23 pm : link
This is a big man's sport, and logically a 5'8 175 WR is at a disadvantage out of the chute. He's gotten hit a couple of times and gotten significantly injured.

It's not a guarantee of all things in the future, but to try and ignore or minimize it as bad luck would be folly. Same thing with Ojulari, got to step back and be smart and cover your bases.
RE: Let's be intellectually honest here about Robinson  
RCPhoenix : 1/26/2023 3:41 pm : link
In comment 16015073 JonC said:
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This is a big man's sport, and logically a 5'8 175 WR is at a disadvantage out of the chute. He's gotten hit a couple of times and gotten significantly injured.

It's not a guarantee of all things in the future, but to try and ignore or minimize it as bad luck would be folly. Same thing with Ojulari, got to step back and be smart and cover your bases.


Ojulari's issues may be from overtraining.

As to Robinson - have you seen DeVonta Smith? Yes he's taller but he has a very slight build.
He does, and it's a risk  
JonC : 1/26/2023 4:01 pm : link
but Robinson already has an ACL and a ... MCL? No bueno.
Here's the point  
JonC : 1/26/2023 4:05 pm : link
Don't defend the player, fix the scouting and decision processes.
RE: RE: RE: Yup. No such thing as an off-season anymore. 2023 season has begun.  
Gruber : 1/26/2023 6:38 pm : link
In comment 16014718 HarryCarson53 said:
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In comment 16014483 Gruber said:


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Believe me, this is a guy who does his homework.
No way would he have drafted Kadarius Toney or DeAndre Baker.

You want to tell me what the character issues are with Evan Neal and Wandale Robinson?



He drafted Evan Neal at 7 and a midget in the 2nd rd.
hard to follow your point  
Josh in MD : 1/26/2023 11:17 pm : link
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This is a big man's sport, and logically a 5'8 175 WR is at a disadvantage out of the chute. . . . Same thing with Ojulari

Ojulari is 5'8" 175? Wow, he looks bigger on TV.
Jones might bet long on himself...  
Rafflee : 1/27/2023 2:46 pm : link
35-40 million is out there for him, but he might want to do 2-35 with an option to go back to Market after 2 more years with Daboll and the System and a Growing Team. Jones can be a backup in this league for 10 years and make 100 million dollars. Maybe he does 2 years and goes back out in a richer Market that could regard him very highly at a Higher Salary Cap. I'd take a bet like that.
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