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NGT: Inside the Patriots dysfunction

Heisenberg : 1/26/2023 10:45 am
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Inside the most dysfunctional Patriots season under Bill Belichick: ‘I’ve never seen anything like it’

Bill O’Brien inherits a mess

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“I’ve never seen anything like it,” one source said.

“It was disheveled,” another source said. “They were always scrambling to get things done.”

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“It’s always been about winning and doing what’s best for the team. I really believe (Belichick) when he says that,” one source said. “I just think he really didn’t understand how hard it was going to be.”


Or, in the words of another source: “I love coach (Belichick), but he f—ed us.”


Quite an article and quite the damnation of the plan to put Matt and Joe in charge of the offense.
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They need to move on from Belichick  
Gruber : 1/26/2023 10:48 am : link
He's causing the culture to rot.
Wild bit about Judge  
Heisenberg : 1/26/2023 10:52 am : link
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Around early October, when Jones was sidelined by a high ankle sprain, players began to see less of his position coach in meetings.

Joe Judge, they later suspected, was in a long process of being phased out. It was a stark change from training camp when Judge would command meetings and share the play-call sheet in team periods with Patricia and Belichick. Judge also coached across positions in practice, forcing other assistants to occasionally correct his talking points to players during drills.

“I think there were times the coaches were frustrated, especially the ones who had been on staff in years past and knew what we had done,” one source said.
It might be the beginning of the end of Belichick  
sec308 : 1/26/2023 10:52 am : link
Even someone like me who has no inside information could say that hiring two failed head coaches, one a defensive coordinator, and the other a belligerent schmuck to quarterbacks, and have them work together as one offensive coordinator is a bit of a dementia like decision.
Sounds familiar  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/26/2023 10:54 am : link
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Months later, members of the organization sensed Belichick’s offensive staff suffered from the same lack of cohesion players would display on Sundays.

hmmm...  
Ben in Tampa : 1/26/2023 10:55 am : link
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As Patricia came under outside fire as the face of the offense, Judge drew increasing criticism from within. Belichick would blast him in practice, and it wasn’t uncommon for Judge and Jones to trade profanity-laced outbursts. Jones’ trust in his position coach was effectively non-existent.

“Mac didn’t like him,” one source said. “At all.”

“(Judge) would speak extra loudly in meetings, trying to project like he was the guy,” another source said. “And I think that kind of rubbed people the wrong way.”

“A lot of people were frustrated with (Judge),” a third added.

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CoughlinHandsonHips : 1/26/2023 11:01 am : link
Holy moly this is pretty damning to Judge
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Banks : 1/26/2023 11:01 am : link
further cements the idea in my head that Judge impacted Jones negatively. We lost 2 years of development with that clown
Isn't this basically what got him hired as the Giants HC?  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/26/2023 11:02 am : link
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“(Judge) would speak extra loudly in meetings, trying to project like he was the guy,” another source said.


This makes Judge look really bad  
aimrocky : 1/26/2023 11:09 am : link
Ian Rappaport just tweeted out that Judge will be at the East/West Shrine game with other Patriot staffers, but he didn't say Patricia would be.
this article misses the point  
Giantsfan79 : 1/26/2023 11:19 am : link
Bill is sitting at 298 regular season wins and 31 playoff wins, 329 total wins.

Don Shula holds the all time record with 328 regular season wins and 19 playoff wins, 347 total.

I've got to imagine Bill REALLY wants the record, and he is surrounding himself with even closer confidants. Bill is planning on 2 or 3 more years and he could get into such a win-now mentality that he damns cap constraints because he'll be gone with the record when those bills come due.
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DieHard : 1/26/2023 11:20 am : link
In comment 16014606 Banks said:
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further cements the idea in my head that Judge impacted Jones negatively. We lost 2 years of development with that clown


When people question why Jones hasn't improved enough in his first 4 years, I'll point to articles like this. Can't think of anything that would hinder a young QB's development more than to saddle him with a clown like Judge.
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Heisenberg : 1/26/2023 11:30 am : link
In comment 16014606 Banks said:
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further cements the idea in my head that Judge impacted Jones negatively. We lost 2 years of development with that clown


Spot on.
Hot take coming in fast  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/26/2023 11:32 am : link
Patriots weren't that horrible this year.
RE: Hot take coming in fast  
DieHard : 1/26/2023 11:38 am : link
In comment 16014653 Spiciest Memelord said:
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Patriots weren't that horrible this year.


It's true, which just makes Belichick's decision to have Patricia/Judge run the offense even worse. Throw even an average offense out there and they probably win 10-11 games.
You are all rats leaving the ship  
HomerJones45 : 1/26/2023 11:49 am : link
how many of you were sucking Judge off after his first season. Now he's an asshole and you've all moved on to a new love.
RE: This makes Judge look really bad  
bw in dc : 1/26/2023 11:57 am : link
In comment 16014615 aimrocky said:
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Ian Rappaport just tweeted out that Judge will be at the East/West Shrine game with other Patriot staffers, but he didn't say Patricia would be.


Agreed. That article is a serious indictment of Judge being way over his head in any capacity other than a special teams coach.

Belichick looks even worse - from recommending Judge to Mara, to re-hiring Judge, to giving Judge a crack at the offense, and apparently still keeping him on the payroll.

Mississippi State must feel like they dodged a major bullet when Mara swooped in and hired Judge.


RE: You are all rats leaving the ship  
rsjem1979 : 1/26/2023 12:01 pm : link
In comment 16014682 HomerJones45 said:
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how many of you were sucking Judge off after his first season. Now he's an asshole and you've all moved on to a new love.


Changing your mind about someone or something when presented with more evidence isn't a bad thing.

Judge has proven himself to be a blowhard and a clown.
RE: You are all rats leaving the ship  
JB_in_DC : 1/26/2023 12:04 pm : link
In comment 16014682 HomerJones45 said:
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how many of you were sucking Judge off after his first season. Now he's an asshole and you've all moved on to a new love.


You're need to use sexual language to describe football opinions suggests you have ISSUES bro.
Throw out the Judge years for Jones  
Thegratefulhead : 1/26/2023 12:06 pm : link
https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/01/26/inside-the-most-dysfunctional-patriots-season-under-bill-belichick-ive-never-seen-anything-like-it/
Judge is a clown show. - ( New Window )
err  
Thegratefulhead : 1/26/2023 12:07 pm : link
your link didn't work but it was me, sorry i reposted
Mac Jones  
Sammo85 : 1/26/2023 12:12 pm : link
is very overrated and frankly comes off as entitled in a way that I don’t see other Bama products at QB acting that way (Hurts, Tua, Young tbd).

Not surprising he wouldn’t like Judge.
RE: Isn't this basically what got him hired as the Giants HC?  
BC Eagles94 : 1/26/2023 12:53 pm : link
In comment 16014609 sb from NYT Forum said:
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“(Judge) would speak extra loudly in meetings, trying to project like he was the guy,” another source said.


Yup. It almost got his ass kicked by Marc Colombo the OL coach. And just remember his ridiculous rant to the press about the "locker room" and how he hadn't lost the players? The guy is a complete fraud, like many unsuccessful coaches before him. He is a knucklehead and a blowhard.

I never liked him from day 1 and didn't fall for it. For 2 reasons...1. His Philly trash accent. 2. I had recently been fooled by another knucklehead, blowhard, fake tough-guy with my college team (Steve Addazio at BC).
RE: You are all rats leaving the ship  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/26/2023 1:06 pm : link
In comment 16014682 HomerJones45 said:
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how many of you were sucking Judge off after his first season. Now he's an asshole and you've all moved on to a new love.


I don't think he's an asshole. I think he talks a good game, and some people might not like him because he seems to be just that, talk.

When he was here the offense was one of the worst in the league. Then he goes to New England and not only is their offense terrible, ours is suddenly average. Hmmm.
RE: You are all rats leaving the ship  
djm : 1/26/2023 1:12 pm : link
In comment 16014682 HomerJones45 said:
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how many of you were sucking Judge off after his first season. Now he's an asshole and you've all moved on to a new love.


Rats leave SINKING ships. And with good reason.
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D HOS : 1/26/2023 1:16 pm : link
In comment 16014631 DieHard said:
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In comment 16014606 Banks said:


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further cements the idea in my head that Judge impacted Jones negatively. We lost 2 years of development with that clown



When people question why Jones hasn't improved enough in his first 4 years, I'll point to articles like this. Can't think of anything that would hinder a young QB's development more than to saddle him with a clown like Judge.


"We've done everything possible to screw this kid up"
RE: Mac Jones  
bw in dc : 1/26/2023 1:52 pm : link
In comment 16014713 Sammo85 said:
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is very overrated and frankly comes off as entitled in a way that I don’t see other Bama products at QB acting that way (Hurts, Tua, Young tbd).

Not surprising he wouldn’t like Judge.


Agreed. You can't blame the offensive coaching on all the problems on offense. MJones needs to own his portion of the blame. Some of the decisions I saw him make this year were completely incompetent.

Average arm, limited athleticism, one dimensional, too temperamental.

O'Brien has his work cut out for him.
That is very damning  
OlyWABigBlue : 1/26/2023 4:59 pm : link
Paints Judge as a charlatan but even worse, our FO were the town simps that were taken by this charlatan.
Look... I don't know any more than you guys...  
BamaBlue : 1/26/2023 5:16 pm : link
I don't think Judge had as much influence over Daniel Jones (ruining Daniel Jones for 2 years) as many people think. Maybe more piling the guy than fact. Judge was the Giants head coach, not a position coach or even a coordinator. Influence yes, but I would submit a lot less than Jason Garrett and Jerry Schuplinski.
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81_Great_Dane : 1/26/2023 5:42 pm : link
In comment 16014606 Banks said:
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further cements the idea in my head that Judge impacted Jones negatively. We lost 2 years of development with that clown
The Giants' Jones was fucked for two years; the Patriots' Jones was only fucked for one. Advantage, Patriots. ;-)
RE: You are all rats leaving the ship  
BamaBlue : 1/26/2023 8:26 pm : link
In comment 16014682 HomerJones45 said:
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how many of you were sucking Judge off after his first season. Now he's an asshole and you've all moved on to a new love.


The ship sank and we got into the lifeboats. Sorry that you had to go down with the ship...
How did they win 8 games  
SomeFan : 1/26/2023 10:09 pm : link
with the purported disarray? Seems they would have had one of, if not, the worst record in the league.
RE: How did they win 8 games  
islander1 : 1/27/2023 7:55 am : link
In comment 16015499 SomeFan said:
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with the purported disarray? Seems they would have had one of, if not, the worst record in the league.


as someone noted, they easily blew 2-3 games late, too!
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