I have read in a couple of threads that people expect the Raiders to trade Derek Carr. Who is trading for him? First of all it is guaranteed that he will be cut prior to 02/15 when $40MM of gurantees kick in, unless a trade deal is already worked out. Secondly, if you trade for him, you get him on a 3 year $115MM deal with $40MM guaranteed. No bargain. If you want him, wait, don't give up resources and sign him cheaper. I know there is a competition risk, but is anyone paying him 3/$115/$40MM? I would definitely see him as a replacement to DJ if we go that way, but not at that price. Am I missing something?
You think they have interest in Carr?
I saw a stat the other day that the Raiders have had a bottom 5 defense the entire time he was QB there. Carr gets a bad rap, he’s a good QB. Look at this year, they lost like 5-6 games in the fourth when they were up multiple scores. Patrick Graham basically cost that team a likely playoff berth.
You don’t know WHERE the Giants are headed. I’m sure they’ve shared nothing with anyone on the outside.
Yeah, Raiders are screwed as far as leverage. Someone mentioned Carr has a no-trade contract, and would can pick what teams he will accept. Commie’s second round pick likely gets the deal done. Then cut Wentz, saving $27M on their cap.
robert saleh
ron rivera
arthur smith
dennis allen
whoever gets hired in carolina
maybe even whoever gets hired in indy
or those guys can just go on with crappy QBs and increase the odds they get fired next black monday to the inconvenience and detriment of their families and job opportunities they've worked really hard for and may never get again.
If Carr isn't good, then Jones isn't good.
In fact, Carr is firmly in the QB middle class. Certainly, not elite, and not worth the money he is being paid. But overpaid doesn't mean "isn't good".
He’s a starter in this league and will have multiple offers.
I don't doubt that Sy, but you don't think they want wait until he is cut? It is not far in the future. Maybe someone is salivating to get his contract, but it does not seem cheap to me.
Much better me-thinks.
But a good lesson as to overpaying a so-so QB.
Overpaid, I would agree with. However, I think he can take teams to playoffs. He needs to be in a more stable organization where an OC/QB coach can rebuild him. He has a lot of bad habits from when he was the only thing keeping the Raiders competitive. I am also not sure if it is from his brother, but I have seen plenty of film where he had a lane to take off running and get first downs but he just throws it away rather than risk taking a hit.
Quote:
.
I don't doubt that Sy, but you don't think they want wait until he is cut? It is not far in the future. Maybe someone is salivating to get his contract, but it does not seem cheap to me.
why would 2 different teams give up day 2 picks for carson wentz the last 2 years?
why would a team give up 2 day picks for sam darnold?
why would a team give up picks to pay a 37 year matt ryan almost 20m per year?
why is it that all of those teams paid all those prices and are still looking for qbs?
why is it that several of those teams traded for vets even after drafting rookies in the first round?
Much better me-thinks.
Maybe, or maybe we'd have a bunch of posters here calling those guys "busts".
Quote:
Is not good.
If Carr isn't good, then Jones isn't good.
In fact, Carr is firmly in the QB middle class. Certainly, not elite, and not worth the money he is being paid. But overpaid doesn't mean "isn't good".
Quote:
1. Jones' offensive weapons vs. Carr's. If Danny had Devonte Adams, Waller, Josh Jacobs and their other WR's....vs our group......What would his stats have been????
Much better me-thinks.
Maybe, or maybe we'd have a bunch of posters here calling those guys "busts".
Maybe he'd get to 21 TDs
Quote:
Is not good.
If Carr isn't good, then Jones isn't good.
In fact, Carr is firmly in the QB middle class. Certainly, not elite, and not worth the money he is being paid. But overpaid doesn't mean "isn't good".
This.
After Carr's 2016 season that ended in injury, to me he was always a very good QB. That was easily the Raiders' best shot at any real postseason damage since the Rich Gannon years.
I agree with Sy as a number of teams will be after him and the Jets, Panthers, Commanders, and Colts.
What’re your thoughts on him? Sounds like the league likes him more than fans. I think he’s a good player, too much was asked of him. Not a guy who can overcome bad defenses and poor coaching.
Probably will get tomatoes thrown at me for saying this - if i’m Baltimore i am heavily considering cashing in on Lamar’s value and then signing Carr. I like him with a steady HC, good defense and run game.
In reality there are 3 QB’s to me who can overcome poor deficiencies elsewhere on the team and keep their squad in the contender bracket. Mahomes, Burrow and Allen. Hurts is surrounded by excellent talent, not a knock but I need to see how he performs if they take a step back. Herbert looks limited by coaching. Brady and Rodgers are too old and are eliminated.
Feels like a lot of QB’s get knocked for not being elite but the reality is almost all of them need enough surrounding talent and good coaching to win. It did a lot for Stafford. Was he never that guy or needed the right situation? And contrarily Goff looks to be a benefactor of the trade as well. Quietly put up a real nice year.
Very tough to eval QB’s with so many variables around them.
I agree with Sy as a number of teams will be after him and the Jets, Panthers, Commanders, and Colts.
Agreed. He may not be “top 10” but in a stable situation be could do damage. Most guys aren’t doing anything with an average team around them anyway.
I mean, the Raiders hired a horrible head coach (and a historic worst DC), that might have something to do with Carr's play in 2022.
So let's not assume Carr (or Jones, for that matter) will regress not improve in 2023.
Quote:
In comment 16014795 Straw Hat said:
Quote:
Is not good.
If Carr isn't good, then Jones isn't good.
In fact, Carr is firmly in the QB middle class. Certainly, not elite, and not worth the money he is being paid. But overpaid doesn't mean "isn't good".
This.
After Carr's 2016 season that ended in injury, to me he was always a very good QB. That was easily the Raiders' best shot at any real postseason damage since the Rich Gannon years.
And yet here we are, 9 years into his career as a full-time starter, and his playoff record sits at 0-1. The only “postseason damage” he’s accomplished appears to have been inflicted on the Raiders franchise.