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larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 4:42 pm
Big game tonight and a tough stretch looking forward.
#LGK
Ton of Knicks news being reported-

*According to Fred Katz of The Athletic, the Knicks have “decisively” turned down inquiries on reserve guard Miles McBride.

*Leaders in on-off plus/minus over the last 3 seasons:
1. Nikola Jokic (+13.2)
2. Joel Embiid (+11.5)
3. Immanuel Quickley (+11)

*Sources — Knicks willing to offer Obi Toppin and two first round picks as a starting point for Raptors’ OG Anunoby.
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I think everything comes right down to the deadline in the league  
Stu11 : 1/27/2023 9:00 am : link
the asks right now are insane. You have to see if these teams come off of that as we get to the deadline.
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Crispino : 1/27/2023 9:10 am : link
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He’s done it all season and again tonight.

When they are leading late in a game and want to use up the clock he lets the ball roll down the court before picking it up which of course something you do when behind and trying to conserve the clock.




Clock runs after a made basket until 2 minutes left



I’m pretty sure he’s done it with that time frame



i havnt paid to much attention to it, i know he did it a couple of times with the clock runing


He does it to conserve time on the shot clock. It doesn't start till the ball touches someone in bounds. This way you get near half court with no time coming off the SC.



Brunson has possibly the highest basketball IQ in the NBA.
RE: I think everything comes right down to the deadline in the league  
Semipro Lineman : 1/27/2023 9:17 am : link
In comment 16015691 Stu11 said:
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the asks right now are insane. You have to see if these teams come off of that as we get to the deadline.


For me the problem isn't teams starting out with an insane ask but it's the refusal to budge that is getting ridiculous. But I'm sure the Bulls can't afford to look bad in the morning pundit show if they trade the Bald Mamba for anything less than a major haul. I mean that's more important than taking a deal which helps your team and cap space
Bucks have a standing offer  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2023 11:10 am : link
to Reddish and Jae Crowder...According to reports the GM told teams whoever calls back first gets Nwora
RE: and i know i am the resident Rj hater  
AG5686 : 1/27/2023 11:16 am : link
In comment 16015685 nygiants16 said:
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BUT OG deal then opens the Knicks up to offer Rj in a star deal and you could really go all in and have a contender.

Mr 16,the president of the RJ fan club is on line 1...
he insists you give RJ some time,he is only 22-oh and he came up huge in crunch time last nite
RE: RE: and i know i am the resident Rj hater  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2023 11:23 am : link
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BUT OG deal then opens the Knicks up to offer Rj in a star deal and you could really go all in and have a contender.


Mr 16,the president of the RJ fan club is on line 1...
he insists you give RJ some time,he is only 22-oh and he came up huge in crunch time last nite


Its not that i want to give up on him, not at all, i just dont know his fit next to Brunson and Randle as the 3rd guy..Can he be effecient enough next 2 other big scorers..

RE: and i know i am the resident Rj hater  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2023 12:08 pm : link
In comment 16015685 nygiants16 said:
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BUT OG deal then opens the Knicks up to offer Rj in a star deal and you could really go all in and have a contender.


You are and RJ will be hard to put in any deal for a star because they will be rebuilding and a poison pill 30 million dollars contract is not what a team will want.
Also your hate for RJ is not the same as the organization, he is a home grown talent that is 22 years old with strong work ethic that they expect to get better.
Grimes will move the bench if OG is traded for and if RJ and OG work out the remainder of the season that will be your lineup.
Grimes offensive liabilities are going to hold him back, he is only 22 and if he could develop a handle and some off the dribble moves he could be a heck of a player but right now he is not there
His poisen pill is gone in the offseason  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2023 12:16 pm : link
and again me wanting to trade him is not trading him for a bum, i said trade for a star player..

I am not hating on Rj by saying he may not fit next to Randle and Brunson, i dont understsnd why that is taken as hating..

I skipped the game thinking they would get their doors blown off  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/27/2023 12:41 pm : link
So what do I know.

But, while I like the concept of Quickley with the starters full time, I'm not sure that's best.

What grimes does off-ball in the starting lineup is sorely needed. The ball sticks a lot between Randle, Brunson, and RJ.

You NEED cutters and spacers, and he does that. It's a good fit to have his skillset out there

At the same time, Grimes would benefit offensively from playing with the second unit where he can take more shots.
OG is not what Knicks need  
Vanzetti : 1/27/2023 12:49 pm : link
4th leading scorer on a team well below .500
14.6 PER
.77 WS/48

It's true he is "Thibs player" so he would get minutes. But why should knicks build a team around Thibs, who is not going to be the coach longterm?

I mean if they can get him cheap? Sure. He is a good defender. But I would not give up any of the young core guys for him.
RE: OG is not what Knicks need  
robbieballs2003 : 1/27/2023 1:05 pm : link
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4th leading scorer on a team well below .500
14.6 PER
.77 WS/48

It's true he is "Thibs player" so he would get minutes. But why should knicks build a team around Thibs, who is not going to be the coach longterm?

I mean if they can get him cheap? Sure. He is a good defender. But I would not give up any of the young core guys for him.


Absolutely. There's such disconnect with the front office and Thibs.
RE: OG is not what Knicks need  
steve in ky : 1/27/2023 1:07 pm : link
In comment 16015943 Vanzetti said:
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4th leading scorer on a team well below .500
14.6 PER
.77 WS/48

It's true he is "Thibs player" so he would get minutes. But why should knicks build a team around Thibs, who is not going to be the coach longterm?

I mean if they can get him cheap? Sure. He is a good defender. But I would not give up any of the young core guys for him.


My thoughts exactly, why do we want Grimes back on the bench? He’s got all the tools to where he may become a start player in his own right. Guys like him, Quick, Barrett all need to play and be allowed to progress instead of trading for someone that isn’t a star and would just steal their minutes
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djm : 1/27/2023 1:09 pm : link
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think Thibs and Gallant were separated at birth.



Yup. Same type of coach. Both guys will bring structure and discipline the first season and have the team play over its head. But then slowly structure becomes rigidity.

But Knicks are still developing. So no problem with Thibs this year. He teaches young guys the fundamentals


yeah, Obi's really learning a lot.


Who is to blame? Maybe the dude just isn't that good.

Every other young player has gotten better or at least proven they can play in the NBA. Except for? Obi and Reddish.

Whenever I watch Obi the guy gets cooked on defense time and time again. Guys take him for a ride to the basket far too often. HE's an OK at best rebounder which is being kind. And he is a decent scorer who does his best work on spot up 3s and transition. Add it all up and you have a limited player who should NOT be playing big minutes if the team is trying to win and the player in front of him is named Julius Randle.


RE: RE: and i know i am the resident Rj hater  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2023 1:15 pm : link
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BUT OG deal then opens the Knicks up to offer Rj in a star deal and you could really go all in and have a contender.



You are and RJ will be hard to put in any deal for a star because they will be rebuilding and a poison pill 30 million dollars contract is not what a team will want.
Also your hate for RJ is not the same as the organization, he is a home grown talent that is 22 years old with strong work ethic that they expect to get better.
Grimes will move the bench if OG is traded for and if RJ and OG work out the remainder of the season that will be your lineup.
Grimes offensive liabilities are going to hold him back, he is only 22 and if he could develop a handle and some off the dribble moves he could be a heck of a player but right now he is not there


NY16 love ya brother you self described as the RJ hater.
I get as frustrated as everyone about RJ but I don't think the organization feels the same as you and IMO they would move Grimes, Quickley Etc. Before RJ.
maybe Obi needs more minutes in order to reach a new level  
djm : 1/27/2023 1:16 pm : link
I can't argue with that possibility. I just don't think the guy is that good. He literally looks like he isn't that good unless he's flying down the court for a dunk or shooting an open corner 3. He's not thick enough to body the PFs/Cs and he can't get his own shot. So you can't run your O through him and his D and rebounding is basically below average. Good luck with that.

If we were talking about a 25 win team maybe you play him more. This team could win 48-50 if things break right. They are trying to avoid the play in. I know we poo-poo the ceiling of this team but the mgmt and HC want to win as many games as possible.
oh and Enzo  
djm : 1/27/2023 1:25 pm : link
I wasn't really coming at you for any thibs hate or Obi defense, I get what you were saying--it's true, Obi isn't learning...
What about Siakam?  
TyreeHelmet : 1/27/2023 1:26 pm : link
I know he would cost more and probably isn't available but hes the Raptor I would be targeting.

You would have to adjust against a few big teams but I love a 5 of Brunson, Grimes, RJ, Randle, Siakam.

Would Toppin, 2 unprotected 1sts, 3 protected plus salary filler make Toronto think?

He's a 28 year old all nba player who plays both ends... You can always try to upgrade from RJ too for the next star.
RE: What about Siakam?  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2023 1:31 pm : link
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I know he would cost more and probably isn't available but hes the Raptor I would be targeting.

You would have to adjust against a few big teams but I love a 5 of Brunson, Grimes, RJ, Randle, Siakam.

Would Toppin, 2 unprotected 1sts, 3 protected plus salary filler make Toronto think?

He's a 28 year old all nba player who plays both ends... You can always try to upgrade from RJ too for the next star.

He plays PF and would clash with Randle.
I'm much lower on Obi  
Mike from SI : 1/27/2023 2:19 pm : link
than most of you guys, just usually don't want to get my head taken off for that opinion. I really don't see a quality NBA starter. He's good for his role now.
I watched a good part of the game yesterday  
arniefez : 1/27/2023 3:03 pm : link
including the entire 4th qtr. I don't watch the Knicks much but they were playing Boston who I sports hate and nothing else that interested me was on. I don't follow the NBA like all of you guys do. I barely know who the guys on the Knicks are. But IMO you don't need to follow the NBA to see that no team can win consistently playing the way the Knicks did in the last 5 minutes last night. You guys tell me, is the way Randle and Brunson played on offense at the end of the game on them on the coach or both? That was embarrassing to watch. Just hero street ball 1 on 5 with 4 guys standing around doing nothing but watching. That's a NBA end of the game half court offense? That games plays out the same way 10 times and IMO Boston wins 8 of them.
RE: RE: What about Siakam?  
TyreeHelmet : 1/27/2023 3:07 pm : link
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I know he would cost more and probably isn't available but hes the Raptor I would be targeting.

You would have to adjust against a few big teams but I love a 5 of Brunson, Grimes, RJ, Randle, Siakam.

Would Toppin, 2 unprotected 1sts, 3 protected plus salary filler make Toronto think?

He's a 28 year old all nba player who plays both ends... You can always try to upgrade from RJ too for the next star.


He plays PF and would clash with Randle.


You can’t play them together?
Can someone explain to me  
Carl in CT : 1/27/2023 3:27 pm : link
It happens year after year, the Bulls, Charlotte, Indiana and Toronto all stink. Our players are worth nothing. We beat this teams out for playoffs (sometimes playoff position seeding) and all their players are worth multiple picks players etc and all Knick players are garbage. I just don’t get it.
Dolan is on with Carton and Roberts  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2023 3:29 pm : link
Just caught the end here but I'm sure they'll post the whole interview later. Damage control, as usual.
RE: Dolan is on with Carton and Roberts  
djm : 1/27/2023 4:20 pm : link
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Just caught the end here but I'm sure they'll post the whole interview later. Damage control, as usual.


Dolan doesn't come off badly in the interview. Even when I heard him years ago he didn't come off badly but the petty weird shit he pulls paints him in a bad light and it should.

He spends money and seems to butt out so I don't have an issue with him. I am not wearing an FU** Dolan T shirt to any games and I am not a lawyer...so I am safe.
Siakam is a better fit than you might think  
Heisenberg : 1/27/2023 4:35 pm : link
He only plays 50% of his minutes at PF. He plays the rest at SF and about 20% at C (26% this year). He actually might be the kind of guy that can play Center in a bit of a smaller ball 5.

Of course, that would only be if Thibs would play him at either of those positions.
RE: RE: Dolan is on with Carton and Roberts  
steve in ky : 1/27/2023 5:27 pm : link
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Just caught the end here but I'm sure they'll post the whole interview later. Damage control, as usual.



Dolan doesn't come off badly in the interview. Even when I heard him years ago he didn't come off badly but the petty weird shit he pulls paints him in a bad light and it should.

He spends money and seems to butt out so I don't have an issue with him. I am not wearing an FU** Dolan T shirt to any games and I am not a lawyer...so I am safe.


After he stepped away from involving himself in the basketball operations when he relented it to Jackson, he basically said it was a relief and he realized he didn’t have the expertise to be that involved. The guy spends money and by all accounts for years now keeps an arms length from the process. If he a jerk in person, I don’t know him but it certainly sounds that way but he isn’t a problem as an owner these days.

Blaming him for everything wrong with the Knicks is just a popular take that a lot of people go to but I don’t believe he’s been a problem for years
RE: RE: RE: Dolan is on with Carton and Roberts  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2023 5:38 pm : link
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Just caught the end here but I'm sure they'll post the whole interview later. Damage control, as usual.



Dolan doesn't come off badly in the interview. Even when I heard him years ago he didn't come off badly but the petty weird shit he pulls paints him in a bad light and it should.

He spends money and seems to butt out so I don't have an issue with him. I am not wearing an FU** Dolan T shirt to any games and I am not a lawyer...so I am safe.



After he stepped away from involving himself in the basketball operations when he relented it to Jackson, he basically said it was a relief and he realized he didn’t have the expertise to be that involved. The guy spends money and by all accounts for years now keeps an arms length from the process. If he a jerk in person, I don’t know him but it certainly sounds that way but he isn’t a problem as an owner these days.

Blaming him for everything wrong with the Knicks is just a popular take that a lot of people go to but I don’t believe he’s been a problem for years

+1
RE: Bulls want 2 unprotected 1sts for Caruso  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2023 6:27 pm : link
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who do they think they are trading? haha


& I want to bed Jessica Alba. Both Chicago & I have the same odds of our hopes coming to fruition.

Chicago should blow it up though. And I'd fire Donovan while I'm @ it too.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2023 6:30 pm : link
Dolan has, from all accounts, stepped back. That's a good thing. The bad thing is he's still a complete prick who can't sell the team fast enough. He's an absolute embarrassment with the shit he pulls. & it's a fact that he's driven away stars with his buffoonery. If we had a sane owner, we'd have inked some big names over the years. Dolan is the reason a lot of stars don't want to come to New York. Hopefully his stepping back can changes this, but the perception of him-with the general public & probably within league circles-is baked into the cake, if you will.
Dolan decides who decides  
shyster : 1/27/2023 6:58 pm : link
even if he does not make those decisions himself.

It is Dolan who decides that Leon Rose and World Wide Wes make the player personnel decisions for the Knicks.

If, say, Danny Ainge were hired by Dolan to make those decisions, we would see a completely different approach to building a team.

To say Dolan doesn't matter because he has stepped back from making the player personnel decisions, as such, is to miss that point, entirely.
RE: Dolan decides who decides  
Semipro Lineman : 1/27/2023 8:14 pm : link
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even if he does not make those decisions himself.

It is Dolan who decides that Leon Rose and World Wide Wes make the player personnel decisions for the Knicks.

If, say, Danny Ainge were hired by Dolan to make those decisions, we would see a completely different approach to building a team.

To say Dolan doesn't matter because he has stepped back from making the player personnel decisions, as such, is to miss that point, entirely.


Counterpoint. The vast majority of complaints about Dolan state that he interferes with the basketball management which people point out is wrong. So stating that Dolan is responsible for the management isn't addressing the fact that the complaints about Dolan are usually wrong.

Also, let's be real here. Aigne has struck out more as a GM than he did as a 3rd baseman but everyone pretends he is a genius thanks to the gift from his former teammate Kevin McHale. A trade so lopsided that it got his ass fired as a decision maker and McHale eventually ended his post player career as a mediocre coach.

While it didn’t work out  
steve in ky : 1/27/2023 9:01 pm : link
A lot of people were excited about his hiring Jackson and general consensus was it was a good move. Perry was a solid basketball man with previous experience and also with Rose a lot of people were excited and complimented the choice .

It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks
Dolan has stepped back as much as any sports owner does  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/27/2023 9:08 pm : link
And that's all you can ask for. Yeah, he picked the GM, but if he leaves him alone to do his job that's exactly what you want.

RE: Dolan has stepped back as much as any sports owner does  
steve in ky : 1/27/2023 9:12 pm : link
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And that's all you can ask for. Yeah, he picked the GM, but if he leaves him alone to do his job that's exactly what you want.


Yeah and all owners basically pick their GM’s unless you are named Jerry Jones
Dolan has backed off but shyster makes a good point.  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2023 9:25 pm : link
I’m concerned that Dolan dismisses any smart basketball execs who lay out plans for a true rebuild. Even during his interview the other day he said something to the effect of: “The Knicks are fine - we’re not one of the best teams in the league but we’re not one of the worst either.”

That appears to be all that matters to him: just make the team competitive enough to pack the Garden and keep fans from chanting “Sell The Team.”

I bet Phil Jackson and Leon Rose told him what he wanted to hear: I’ll keep your team competitive while we rebuild. It’s a sales pitch, not necessarily a real plan. But we’ll see if Leon can pull a rabbit out of his hat.
RE: Dolan has backed off but shyster makes a good point.  
steve in ky : 1/27/2023 9:32 pm : link
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I’m concerned that Dolan dismisses any smart basketball execs who lay out plans for a true rebuild. Even during his interview the other day he said something to the effect of: “The Knicks are fine - we’re not one of the best teams in the league but we’re not one of the worst either.”

That appears to be all that matters to him: just make the team competitive enough to pack the Garden and keep fans from chanting “Sell The Team.”

I bet Phil Jackson and Leon Rose told him what he wanted to hear: I’ll keep your team competitive while we rebuild. It’s a sales pitch, not necessarily a real plan. But we’ll see if Leon can pull a rabbit out of his hat.


Of course that’s entirely all conjecture
Mostly conjecture  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2023 10:10 pm : link
but his quote is similar to things he said in the past about an “entertaining product.” I wish he would raise the bar a bit.
Just noticed the Cavs lost to OKC.  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2023 10:22 pm : link
Western Conference is crazy - seeds 4-13 are all separated by three games in the loss column.
RE: I watched a good part of the game yesterday  
Gogolak : 1/28/2023 6:28 am : link
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including the entire 4th qtr. I don't watch the Knicks much but they were playing Boston who I sports hate and nothing else that interested me was on. I don't follow the NBA like all of you guys do. I barely know who the guys on the Knicks are. But IMO you don't need to follow the NBA to see that no team can win consistently playing the way the Knicks did in the last 5 minutes last night. You guys tell me, is the way Randle and Brunson played on offense at the end of the game on them on the coach or both? That was embarrassing to watch. Just hero street ball 1 on 5 with 4 guys standing around doing nothing but watching. That's a NBA end of the game half court offense? That games plays out the same way 10 times and IMO Boston wins 8 of them.


Passing normally stops when Randle gets the ball
OG  
Carl in CT : 1/28/2023 7:29 am : link
Let’s play this out. Some say here Obi and a couple firsts. That’s not all you are giving up. OG goes into the starting lineup. So that means Grimes minutes are also reduced as he is now on the second team. Can he, IQ and McBride play all together? That’s a small team. Then let’s look at the starting lineup. We are already not the greatest shooting team. RJB and OG are not spot up shooters. Also we don’t get anything from the #5 spot with Robinson and or Sims there. I don’t see it helping our team. Prove me wrong please. I would think RJB needs to go the other way leaving OBI on the second team. Not sure that’s what Toronto wants. Just my two cents.
RE: OG  
Mike in NJ : 1/28/2023 8:56 am : link
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Let’s play this out. Some say here Obi and a couple firsts. That’s not all you are giving up. OG goes into the starting lineup. So that means Grimes minutes are also reduced as he is now on the second team. Can he, IQ and McBride play all together? That’s a small team. Then let’s look at the starting lineup. We are already not the greatest shooting team. RJB and OG are not spot up shooters. Also we don’t get anything from the #5 spot with Robinson and or Sims there. I don’t see it helping our team. Prove me wrong please. I would think RJB needs to go the other way leaving OBI on the second team. Not sure that’s what Toronto wants. Just my two cents.


I think OG makes a lot of sense if they are looking to send RJ out in a future trade. You slot OG into the starting small forward spot, and with a lineup of Brunson, Grimes, OG, Randle, Robinson, you have 3 plus defenders next to your all-star level offensive players. Slotting Anunoby into the lineup gives you a huge upgrade defensively, and is probably neutral or slightly upgraded offensively.

I know the common line of thought would be that RJ is the better offensive player, but if you look at the numbers you’re actually getting a guy with higher percentages across the board, most importantly, he’s been a better 3pt shooter than RJ for several years. He could slot into that 3rd option role with the starters pretty seamlessly, and actually would be a great fit in the minutes with the bench guys as well because he’s not going to try and dominate the ball on those lineups like RJ does. Frees up Quickley and Toppin (if he’s not in the deal) to do their thing.

OG is what we were all hoping Reddish would be, and at only 25 years old there is still room to grow. There’s a reason the asking price for him is rumored to be so high.
RE: OG  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2023 8:59 am : link
In comment 16016570 Carl in CT said:
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Let’s play this out. Some say here Obi and a couple firsts. That’s not all you are giving up. OG goes into the starting lineup. So that means Grimes minutes are also reduced as he is now on the second team. Can he, IQ and McBride play all together? That’s a small team. Then let’s look at the starting lineup. We are already not the greatest shooting team. RJB and OG are not spot up shooters. Also we don’t get anything from the #5 spot with Robinson and or Sims there. I don’t see it helping our team. Prove me wrong please. I would think RJB needs to go the other way leaving OBI on the second team. Not sure that’s what Toronto wants. Just my two cents.


First with the rotation: OG can play the 2/3/4 so he would probably start at the 2/3 next to Rj. Firet sub would remain Iq in for Rj, then Grimes in For OG, center in for center..Randle plays entire quarter, Mcbride in for Brunsonwith 2 minutes or so left..

You could even go 8 man rotstion because OG can play the backup 4 and take Mcbride out of the rotation or he gets a couple of minutes here and there. He is only getting 7 to 10 minutes anyway..Everyone cna get their minutes, Grimes minites would probably be cut down to 25 to 30.

I think eventually Rj would have to go, but with running a smaller rotation you will have more versatility and you can stagger the starters better. Thibs would have to decide though on closing lineups, that would be the toughest
RE: While it didn’t work out  
TyreeHelmet : 1/28/2023 9:23 am : link
In comment 16016429 steve in ky said:
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A lot of people were excited about his hiring Jackson and general consensus was it was a good move. Perry was a solid basketball man with previous experience and also with Rose a lot of people were excited and complimented the choice .

It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks


Not doubting people were excited about Jackson and Rose. But it’s crazy to think the last 3 people running the Knicks have had zero experience in a NBA front office. They had never built a team before and got the top job.

The next hire has to be an experienced NBA GM.
RE: RE: While it didn’t work out  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2023 9:29 am : link
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A lot of people were excited about his hiring Jackson and general consensus was it was a good move. Perry was a solid basketball man with previous experience and also with Rose a lot of people were excited and complimented the choice .

It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks



Not doubting people were excited about Jackson and Rose. But it’s crazy to think the last 3 people running the Knicks have had zero experience in a NBA front office. They had never built a team before and got the top job.

The next hire has to be an experienced NBA GM.


While i agree, Rose has some really experienced people working in the Knicks front office
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Enzo : 1/28/2023 9:40 am : link
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In comment 16016429 steve in ky said:


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A lot of people were excited about his hiring Jackson and general consensus was it was a good move. Perry was a solid basketball man with previous experience and also with Rose a lot of people were excited and complimented the choice .

It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks



Not doubting people were excited about Jackson and Rose. But it’s crazy to think the last 3 people running the Knicks have had zero experience in a NBA front office. They had never built a team before and got the top job.

The next hire has to be an experienced NBA GM.



While i agree, Rose has some really experienced people working in the Knicks front office

Scott Perry sure has a lot of experience.....losing. Aller's background is managing the cap. The rest of the guys are glorified scouts, more or less.

Rosas is the guy who at least has a track record - but nobody outside the building seems to know exactly what he is or isn't responsible for. He's not even listed on the team's web page.



Walt Perrin ran the Jazz drafts  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2023 9:41 am : link
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Front office  
TyreeHelmet : 1/28/2023 10:58 am : link
Not saying they didn’t have experienced people under them- v certainly Rose does.

. What I am I saying is the last 3 people hired to run the Knicks had zero experience building an NBA team- Jackson, Mills, Rose. Grunwald and Perry were interim.

RE: RE: OG  
CornerStone246+17 : 1/28/2023 1:02 pm : link
In comment 16016593 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16016570 Carl in CT said:


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Let’s play this out. Some say here Obi and a couple firsts. That’s not all you are giving up. OG goes into the starting lineup. So that means Grimes minutes are also reduced as he is now on the second team. Can he, IQ and McBride play all together? That’s a small team. Then let’s look at the starting lineup. We are already not the greatest shooting team. RJB and OG are not spot up shooters. Also we don’t get anything from the #5 spot with Robinson and or Sims there. I don’t see it helping our team. Prove me wrong please. I would think RJB needs to go the other way leaving OBI on the second team. Not sure that’s what Toronto wants. Just my two cents.



First with the rotation: OG can play the 2/3/4 so he would probably start at the 2/3 next to Rj. Firet sub would remain Iq in for Rj, then Grimes in For OG, center in for center..Randle plays entire quarter, Mcbride in for Brunsonwith 2 minutes or so left..

You could even go 8 man rotstion because OG can play the backup 4 and take Mcbride out of the rotation or he gets a couple of minutes here and there. He is only getting 7 to 10 minutes anyway..Everyone cna get their minutes, Grimes minites would probably be cut down to 25 to 30.

I think eventually Rj would have to go, but with running a smaller rotation you will have more versatility and you can stagger the starters better. Thibs would have to decide though on closing lineups, that would be the toughest


This. Lots of flexibility and OG is a perfect fit for Thibs style of defense . RJ probably goes in a subsequent move for the Superstar.
Myles Turner and Pacers  
bceagle05 : 1/28/2023 5:02 pm : link
agree to extension, per Woj. Bit of a surprise.
RE: Myles Turner and Pacers  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2023 5:34 pm : link
In comment 16016810 bceagle05 said:
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agree to extension, per Woj. Bit of a surprise.


It's an interesting contract that makes him happy in the short term and he remains super tradeable after this season. They just fronted him money for this year. After that it's 2/43m which might even be below-market and very is tradeable.
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