Big game tonight and a tough stretch looking forward.
#LGK
Ton of Knicks news being reported-
*According to Fred Katz of The Athletic, the Knicks have “decisively” turned down inquiries on reserve guard Miles McBride.
*Leaders in on-off plus/minus over the last 3 seasons:
1. Nikola Jokic (+13.2)
2. Joel Embiid (+11.5)
3. Immanuel Quickley (+11)
*Sources — Knicks willing to offer Obi Toppin and two first round picks as a starting point for Raptors’ OG Anunoby.
If you can do that and then deal rj along with the remaining picks for a “star” team Could actually be a contender.
If you can do that and then deal rj along with the remaining picks for a “star” team Could actually be a contender.
The big upgrade I want to see is at center. I have no idea how to do that.
Brunson/OG/Randle/Grimes/IQ/Mitch is a nice supporting cast for a future star, should we ever get our hands on one. There were rumors during the endless Mitchell trade talks that the Knicks wanted to add OG as a follow-up move.
RJ contract is set up to be hard to move for another 2 years.
RJ contract is set up to be hard to move for another 2 years.
RJ is a big time liability defensively - doesn’t have the quicks to cover two’s. I love the kid but he’s at his best playing bully ball as a three. He’s a grinder so I think he keeps getting better, but don’t see him elevating to all star level play. If they get OG might mean RJ needs to be moved, somehow, some way.
RJ contract is set up to be hard to move for another 2 years.
I love Grimes's game but he will need to score more for the Knicks to take a step forward, and he's still 4th option behind Randle, Brunson and Barrett.
I love Grimes's game but he will need to score more for the Knicks to take a step forward, and he's still 4th option behind Randle, Brunson and Barrett.
Grimes could score plenty more, he just doesn’t get the shots. He’s the 4th option on the floor. He’s got the highest effective shooting percentage on the team except for Sims and Mitch who don’t shoot outside 5 feet.
the guy averaging 25 10 and 4 is the problem?
It's a pipedream, but I'd @ least give Presti a call & see what he wants for SGA.
Tell us that you don’t watch the Knicks without telling us that you don’t watch the Knicks…
just watch!!!
just watch!!!
You absolutely do not watch the games if this is your takeaway from Randle this season. He’s been fantastic. Not perfect, but nobody gives a crap that Knicks fans always expect perfection out of players, otherwise they are the problem. The list of problems on the Knicks is extensive before it gets to Randle this season.
Stop watching old Knicks Rewinds from last season. You’re missing Randle having a great season with Brunson running the point.
Hr is more effecient and he has eliminated settling for long 2s..
He shoots more 3s because he is playing off Brunson more..
You keep saying he iso's, of course the arguably best player on the team is going to iso some, just like Brunson isos and Rj isos..
Watch the Celtics tonight and watch how their offense works, ball is in Tatums or Browns hands and they make the play..
Hr is more effecient and he has eliminated settling for long 2s..
He shoots more 3s because he is playing off Brunson more..
You keep saying he iso's, of course the arguably best player on the team is going to iso some, just like Brunson isos and Rj isos..
Watch the Celtics tonight and watch how their offense works, ball is in Tatums or Browns hands and they make the play..
Exactly. I wanted Randle gone too but no way in hell I can complain about how he’s playing this season. Knicks fans always want the perfect player. No matter who the player is there will be a segment of fans that can’t stand him.
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but Randle has completely changed the way he has played and is having a better year than 2 years ago when he was 2nd team all NBA..
Hr is more effecient and he has eliminated settling for long 2s..
He shoots more 3s because he is playing off Brunson more..
You keep saying he iso's, of course the arguably best player on the team is going to iso some, just like Brunson isos and Rj isos..
Watch the Celtics tonight and watch how their offense works, ball is in Tatums or Browns hands and they make the play..
Exactly. I wanted Randle gone too but no way in hell I can complain about how he’s playing this season. Knicks fans always want the perfect player. No matter who the player is there will be a segment of fans that can’t stand him.
Not just Knicks fans. Look at the Daniel Jones debate, with fans who will continue to excoreate him for not being Mahomes.
You should watch the NBA more
I dont know why they are not attacking every time down on offense
So, so good. We cannot trade him unless it's for an absolute stud.
I want off this damn roller coaster.
#FREEOBI
absolutely killing the momentum and its every time the Randle or Brunson gets hot
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Make a fucking layup dude - getting downhill is the only thing you’re good at on a basketball court.
absolutely killing the momentum and its every time the Randle or Brunson gets hot
16 he sucks so bad. Please send him to Toronto for anyone!
I don’t he’s ever made that fadeaway when he spins to his right, but he keeps trying.
Anyway, let’s finish this!
Toppin +18
Toppin +18
Because they were playing with IQ.
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Randle -7
Toppin +18
Because they were playing with IQ.
Quickley is +8
In the clutch
This team cant close
This team cant close
That was not on Grimes lol. Awful pass
Both Brunson, Grimes and Randle are fresh and blowing a 10 point lead
No comment on the 2 clutch jumperz?
Iso bullshit losing the game
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you bum
No comment on the 2 clutch jumperz?
Yeah that nullifies the 2 turnovers and 3 and 1's on the defensive end
So you wanted to leave Brunson and Randle on the bench?
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And the blow a 12 point lead in 4:30 minutes.
So you wanted to leave Brunson and Randle on the bench?
Randle is not clutch
He is at 4 now.
If Clyde were calling the game he’d point out that Grimes is “aiming it.” He’s not just letting it fly.
Let's play some D.
You said it all!!
Yeah, can we finally beat those guys? They’ve had some nice wins without KD but I think we’re due for a W against those guys. Maybe Kyrie will take the night off.
They got 2 all stars, no reason for the up and down but i think a lot of it is energy, i think sometimes they just have no legs, they need to add another depth piece
Randle -16
Obi +19
RJ +14
Robert Williams +21
except on defense, lol.
Randle -16
Obi +19
RJ +14
Robert Williams +21
Both big runs were by the bench and both Boston come backs were when the starters were on the floor.
Score 34 points and have a -16
Grimes is not ready to start and it should be Quickley yes you lose something on defense but Quickley give you so much more on the offensive end
He adds some size to the back court, Knicks have trouble with bigger wings
I think they really missed Mitch tonight. No way Tatum drives at will to the basket if the Stoner Giant is in the paint.
Yup. Same type of coach. Both guys will bring structure and discipline the first season and have the team play over its head. But then slowly structure becomes rigidity.
But Knicks are still developing. So no problem with Thibs this year. He teaches young guys the fundamentals
I think they really missed Mitch tonight. No way Tatum drives at will to the basket if the Stoner Giant is in the paint.
They definitely miss Mitch. Sims is still a work in progress and Hart is Hart. Mitch is a force on D and rebounding.
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but OG would be so freaking perfect for this roster. Grimes shouldn’t be guarding the Tatums and Siakams of the league on a nightly basis - you can tell it’s wearing him down.
Grimes is not ready to start and it should be Quickley yes you lose something on defense but Quickley give you so much more on the offensive end
or just play Grimes and Quickly and bench RJ the ball hog.
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think Thibs and Gallant were separated at birth.
Yup. Same type of coach. Both guys will bring structure and discipline the first season and have the team play over its head. But then slowly structure becomes rigidity.
But Knicks are still developing. So no problem with Thibs this year. He teaches young guys the fundamentals
yeah, Obi's really learning a lot.
Yes he would be but I wouldn’t count on it happening
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but OG would be so freaking perfect for this roster. Grimes shouldn’t be guarding the Tatums and Siakams of the league on a nightly basis - you can tell it’s wearing him down.
Grimes is not ready to start and it should be Quickley yes you lose something on defense but Quickley give you so much more on the offensive end
or just play Grimes and Quickly and bench RJ the ball hog.
Grimes was 0-4 down the stretch from 3 in big moment.
RJ had 5 big points in OT
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but OG would be so freaking perfect for this roster. Grimes shouldn’t be guarding the Tatums and Siakams of the league on a nightly basis - you can tell it’s wearing him down.
Grimes is not ready to start and it should be Quickley yes you lose something on defense but Quickley give you so much more on the offensive end
or just play Grimes and Quickly and bench RJ the ball hog.
Grimes was 0-4 down the stretch from 3 in big moment.
RJ had 5 big points in OT
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but OG would be so freaking perfect for this roster. Grimes shouldn’t be guarding the Tatums and Siakams of the league on a nightly basis - you can tell it’s wearing him down.
Grimes is not ready to start and it should be Quickley yes you lose something on defense but Quickley give you so much more on the offensive end
or just play Grimes and Quickly and bench RJ the ball hog.
Grimes was 0-4 down the stretch from 3 in big moment.
RJ had 5 big points in OT
Both Quick and Grimes are better defenders than RJ. Both are better shooting the ball. Stats don't lie.
When they are leading late in a game and want to use up the clock he lets the ball roll down the court before picking it up which of course something you do when behind and trying to conserve the clock.
love your posts, it's like reading English from the 1500s!
j/k, go Knicks
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love your posts, it's like reading English from the 1500s!
j/k, go Knicks
hahaha i type to damn fast and i hit send without reasing it back lol
When they are leading late in a game and want to use up the clock he lets the ball roll down the court before picking it up which of course something you do when behind and trying to conserve the clock.
Clock runs after a made basket until 2 minutes left
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He’s done it all season and again tonight.
When they are leading late in a game and want to use up the clock he lets the ball roll down the court before picking it up which of course something you do when behind and trying to conserve the clock.
Clock runs after a made basket until 2 minutes left
I’m pretty sure he’s done it with that time frame
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He’s done it all season and again tonight.
When they are leading late in a game and want to use up the clock he lets the ball roll down the court before picking it up which of course something you do when behind and trying to conserve the clock.
Clock runs after a made basket until 2 minutes left
I’m pretty sure he’s done it with that time frame
i havnt paid to much attention to it, i know he did it a couple of times with the clock runing
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He’s done it all season and again tonight.
When they are leading late in a game and want to use up the clock he lets the ball roll down the court before picking it up which of course something you do when behind and trying to conserve the clock.
Clock runs after a made basket until 2 minutes left
I’m pretty sure he’s done it with that time frame
i havnt paid to much attention to it, i know he did it a couple of times with the clock runing
He does it to conserve time on the shot clock. It doesn't start till the ball touches someone in bounds. This way you get near half court with no time coming off the SC.
Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st
Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims
Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward
With that said and as good as Randle has been this year, he was pathetic on D last night in the 4th. He was lackadaisical getting on Tatum. Tatum just kept blowing by him. Thibs watched the starters lose a double digit lead in the 4th. The game never should have went to overtime. Every time Tatum was matched up on Randle it was an easy drive to the basket. I kept yelling to change it up. Put either RJ or Grimes on him. Grimes finally got on him like in the last possession in the 4th and helped us get to OT. That was the difference right there.
It is mind bottling (yes, reference to Chazz Michael Michaels) that Thibs is a defensive guy and our defense is so fuckin poor. He has one way of doing things. Look at Wink. All you hear from coaches is how Wink mixes shit up from game to game. Thibs does the same thing every year. We constantly collapse on D and leave wide open 3s. That was a huge reason for us blowing the lead in the 4th.
It was a great win. I didn't think we were going to pull that out. Hopefully this starts a winning streak for us. But we still need to see Thibs adjust to the current NBA.
Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st
Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims
Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward
yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..
The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..
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Difficult for teams the rest of the year
Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st
Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims
Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward
yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..
The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..
The problem is OG is going to cost a ton. So what are we willing to give up? Someone mentioned earlier Obi and two firsts. That’s not close to what it would take. After adding OG, those picks lose value. Toronto isn’t trading him for Obi and a couple of late 20’s picks. And we all know Leon isn’t comfortable giving up too many of his precious assets that he’s worked so hard to acquire…
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Difficult for teams the rest of the year
Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st
Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims
Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward
yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..
The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..
The problem is OG is going to cost a ton. So what are we willing to give up? Someone mentioned earlier Obi and two firsts. That’s not close to what it would take. After adding OG, those picks lose value. Toronto isn’t trading him for Obi and a couple of late 20’s picks. And we all know Leon isn’t comfortable giving up too many of his precious assets that he’s worked so hard to acquire…
My guess a final deal would end up being Obi, Cam and Rose plus an unprotected and 2 protected for OG and cap filler..
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Difficult for teams the rest of the year
Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st
Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims
Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward
yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..
The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..
The problem is OG is going to cost a ton. So what are we willing to give up? Someone mentioned earlier Obi and two firsts. That’s not close to what it would take. After adding OG, those picks lose value. Toronto isn’t trading him for Obi and a couple of late 20’s picks. And we all know Leon isn’t comfortable giving up too many of his precious assets that he’s worked so hard to acquire…
My guess a final deal would end up being Obi, Cam and Rose plus an unprotected and 2 protected for OG and cap filler..
You’re probably close but that’s likely the Knicks top offer. I can envision running into the same issue as with Mitchell and Toronto wanting one of Grimes/Quickley along with Obi and the three picks. They will have plenty of suitors and they are a very smart franchise. Rose trying to work a deal with a much more seasoned GM has a familiar feel to it, lol
All of there own 1sts
Dallas / pistons/ wizards /bucks protected picks
Obi iq grimes cam deuce as trade chips
A deal of obi and cam 2 protected picks and 1 unprotected would be reasonable and then you still have a ton of ammo to go acquire your star player.
If they want more than that. Then I’d steer clear of any og deal
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Difficult for teams the rest of the year
Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st
Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims
Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward
yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..
The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..
The problem is OG is going to cost a ton. So what are we willing to give up? Someone mentioned earlier Obi and two firsts. That’s not close to what it would take. After adding OG, those picks lose value. Toronto isn’t trading him for Obi and a couple of late 20’s picks. And we all know Leon isn’t comfortable giving up too many of his precious assets that he’s worked so hard to acquire…
My guess a final deal would end up being Obi, Cam and Rose plus an unprotected and 2 protected for OG and cap filler..
You’re probably close but that’s likely the Knicks top offer. I can envision running into the same issue as with Mitchell and Toronto wanting one of Grimes/Quickley along with Obi and the three picks. They will have plenty of suitors and they are a very smart franchise. Rose trying to work a deal with a much more seasoned GM has a familiar feel to it, lol
Probably would ask for Grimes or Quick and i turn around and offer 2 unprotected picks and see if they bite, if they dont i move on to the next level down for a wing..
Knicks need to add a wing to either come off the bench or start and have Grimes come off the bench..
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He’s done it all season and again tonight.
When they are leading late in a game and want to use up the clock he lets the ball roll down the court before picking it up which of course something you do when behind and trying to conserve the clock.
Clock runs after a made basket until 2 minutes left
I’m pretty sure he’s done it with that time frame
i havnt paid to much attention to it, i know he did it a couple of times with the clock runing
He does it to conserve time on the shot clock. It doesn't start till the ball touches someone in bounds. This way you get near half court with no time coming off the SC.
Brunson has possibly the highest basketball IQ in the NBA.
For me the problem isn't teams starting out with an insane ask but it's the refusal to budge that is getting ridiculous. But I'm sure the Bulls can't afford to look bad in the morning pundit show if they trade the Bald Mamba for anything less than a major haul. I mean that's more important than taking a deal which helps your team and cap space
Mr 16,the president of the RJ fan club is on line 1...
he insists you give RJ some time,he is only 22-oh and he came up huge in crunch time last nite
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BUT OG deal then opens the Knicks up to offer Rj in a star deal and you could really go all in and have a contender.
Mr 16,the president of the RJ fan club is on line 1...
he insists you give RJ some time,he is only 22-oh and he came up huge in crunch time last nite
Its not that i want to give up on him, not at all, i just dont know his fit next to Brunson and Randle as the 3rd guy..Can he be effecient enough next 2 other big scorers..
You are and RJ will be hard to put in any deal for a star because they will be rebuilding and a poison pill 30 million dollars contract is not what a team will want.
Also your hate for RJ is not the same as the organization, he is a home grown talent that is 22 years old with strong work ethic that they expect to get better.
Grimes will move the bench if OG is traded for and if RJ and OG work out the remainder of the season that will be your lineup.
Grimes offensive liabilities are going to hold him back, he is only 22 and if he could develop a handle and some off the dribble moves he could be a heck of a player but right now he is not there
I am not hating on Rj by saying he may not fit next to Randle and Brunson, i dont understsnd why that is taken as hating..
But, while I like the concept of Quickley with the starters full time, I'm not sure that's best.
What grimes does off-ball in the starting lineup is sorely needed. The ball sticks a lot between Randle, Brunson, and RJ.
You NEED cutters and spacers, and he does that. It's a good fit to have his skillset out there
At the same time, Grimes would benefit offensively from playing with the second unit where he can take more shots.
14.6 PER
.77 WS/48
It's true he is "Thibs player" so he would get minutes. But why should knicks build a team around Thibs, who is not going to be the coach longterm?
I mean if they can get him cheap? Sure. He is a good defender. But I would not give up any of the young core guys for him.
14.6 PER
.77 WS/48
It's true he is "Thibs player" so he would get minutes. But why should knicks build a team around Thibs, who is not going to be the coach longterm?
I mean if they can get him cheap? Sure. He is a good defender. But I would not give up any of the young core guys for him.
Absolutely. There's such disconnect with the front office and Thibs.
14.6 PER
.77 WS/48
It's true he is "Thibs player" so he would get minutes. But why should knicks build a team around Thibs, who is not going to be the coach longterm?
I mean if they can get him cheap? Sure. He is a good defender. But I would not give up any of the young core guys for him.
My thoughts exactly, why do we want Grimes back on the bench? He’s got all the tools to where he may become a start player in his own right. Guys like him, Quick, Barrett all need to play and be allowed to progress instead of trading for someone that isn’t a star and would just steal their minutes
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think Thibs and Gallant were separated at birth.
Yup. Same type of coach. Both guys will bring structure and discipline the first season and have the team play over its head. But then slowly structure becomes rigidity.
But Knicks are still developing. So no problem with Thibs this year. He teaches young guys the fundamentals
yeah, Obi's really learning a lot.
Who is to blame? Maybe the dude just isn't that good.
Every other young player has gotten better or at least proven they can play in the NBA. Except for? Obi and Reddish.
Whenever I watch Obi the guy gets cooked on defense time and time again. Guys take him for a ride to the basket far too often. HE's an OK at best rebounder which is being kind. And he is a decent scorer who does his best work on spot up 3s and transition. Add it all up and you have a limited player who should NOT be playing big minutes if the team is trying to win and the player in front of him is named Julius Randle.
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BUT OG deal then opens the Knicks up to offer Rj in a star deal and you could really go all in and have a contender.
You are and RJ will be hard to put in any deal for a star because they will be rebuilding and a poison pill 30 million dollars contract is not what a team will want.
Also your hate for RJ is not the same as the organization, he is a home grown talent that is 22 years old with strong work ethic that they expect to get better.
Grimes will move the bench if OG is traded for and if RJ and OG work out the remainder of the season that will be your lineup.
Grimes offensive liabilities are going to hold him back, he is only 22 and if he could develop a handle and some off the dribble moves he could be a heck of a player but right now he is not there
NY16 love ya brother you self described as the RJ hater.
I get as frustrated as everyone about RJ but I don't think the organization feels the same as you and IMO they would move Grimes, Quickley Etc. Before RJ.
If we were talking about a 25 win team maybe you play him more. This team could win 48-50 if things break right. They are trying to avoid the play in. I know we poo-poo the ceiling of this team but the mgmt and HC want to win as many games as possible.
You would have to adjust against a few big teams but I love a 5 of Brunson, Grimes, RJ, Randle, Siakam.
Would Toppin, 2 unprotected 1sts, 3 protected plus salary filler make Toronto think?
He's a 28 year old all nba player who plays both ends... You can always try to upgrade from RJ too for the next star.
You would have to adjust against a few big teams but I love a 5 of Brunson, Grimes, RJ, Randle, Siakam.
Would Toppin, 2 unprotected 1sts, 3 protected plus salary filler make Toronto think?
He's a 28 year old all nba player who plays both ends... You can always try to upgrade from RJ too for the next star.
He plays PF and would clash with Randle.
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I know he would cost more and probably isn't available but hes the Raptor I would be targeting.
You would have to adjust against a few big teams but I love a 5 of Brunson, Grimes, RJ, Randle, Siakam.
Would Toppin, 2 unprotected 1sts, 3 protected plus salary filler make Toronto think?
He's a 28 year old all nba player who plays both ends... You can always try to upgrade from RJ too for the next star.
He plays PF and would clash with Randle.
You can’t play them together?
Dolan doesn't come off badly in the interview. Even when I heard him years ago he didn't come off badly but the petty weird shit he pulls paints him in a bad light and it should.
He spends money and seems to butt out so I don't have an issue with him. I am not wearing an FU** Dolan T shirt to any games and I am not a lawyer...so I am safe.
Of course, that would only be if Thibs would play him at either of those positions.
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Just caught the end here but I'm sure they'll post the whole interview later. Damage control, as usual.
Dolan doesn't come off badly in the interview. Even when I heard him years ago he didn't come off badly but the petty weird shit he pulls paints him in a bad light and it should.
He spends money and seems to butt out so I don't have an issue with him. I am not wearing an FU** Dolan T shirt to any games and I am not a lawyer...so I am safe.
After he stepped away from involving himself in the basketball operations when he relented it to Jackson, he basically said it was a relief and he realized he didn’t have the expertise to be that involved. The guy spends money and by all accounts for years now keeps an arms length from the process. If he a jerk in person, I don’t know him but it certainly sounds that way but he isn’t a problem as an owner these days.
Blaming him for everything wrong with the Knicks is just a popular take that a lot of people go to but I don’t believe he’s been a problem for years
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Just caught the end here but I'm sure they'll post the whole interview later. Damage control, as usual.
Dolan doesn't come off badly in the interview. Even when I heard him years ago he didn't come off badly but the petty weird shit he pulls paints him in a bad light and it should.
He spends money and seems to butt out so I don't have an issue with him. I am not wearing an FU** Dolan T shirt to any games and I am not a lawyer...so I am safe.
After he stepped away from involving himself in the basketball operations when he relented it to Jackson, he basically said it was a relief and he realized he didn’t have the expertise to be that involved. The guy spends money and by all accounts for years now keeps an arms length from the process. If he a jerk in person, I don’t know him but it certainly sounds that way but he isn’t a problem as an owner these days.
Blaming him for everything wrong with the Knicks is just a popular take that a lot of people go to but I don’t believe he’s been a problem for years
+1
& I want to bed Jessica Alba. Both Chicago & I have the same odds of our hopes coming to fruition.
Chicago should blow it up though. And I'd fire Donovan while I'm @ it too.
It is Dolan who decides that Leon Rose and World Wide Wes make the player personnel decisions for the Knicks.
If, say, Danny Ainge were hired by Dolan to make those decisions, we would see a completely different approach to building a team.
To say Dolan doesn't matter because he has stepped back from making the player personnel decisions, as such, is to miss that point, entirely.
It is Dolan who decides that Leon Rose and World Wide Wes make the player personnel decisions for the Knicks.
If, say, Danny Ainge were hired by Dolan to make those decisions, we would see a completely different approach to building a team.
To say Dolan doesn't matter because he has stepped back from making the player personnel decisions, as such, is to miss that point, entirely.
Counterpoint. The vast majority of complaints about Dolan state that he interferes with the basketball management which people point out is wrong. So stating that Dolan is responsible for the management isn't addressing the fact that the complaints about Dolan are usually wrong.
Also, let's be real here. Aigne has struck out more as a GM than he did as a 3rd baseman but everyone pretends he is a genius thanks to the gift from his former teammate Kevin McHale. A trade so lopsided that it got his ass fired as a decision maker and McHale eventually ended his post player career as a mediocre coach.
It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks
Yeah and all owners basically pick their GM’s unless you are named Jerry Jones
That appears to be all that matters to him: just make the team competitive enough to pack the Garden and keep fans from chanting “Sell The Team.”
I bet Phil Jackson and Leon Rose told him what he wanted to hear: I’ll keep your team competitive while we rebuild. It’s a sales pitch, not necessarily a real plan. But we’ll see if Leon can pull a rabbit out of his hat.
That appears to be all that matters to him: just make the team competitive enough to pack the Garden and keep fans from chanting “Sell The Team.”
I bet Phil Jackson and Leon Rose told him what he wanted to hear: I’ll keep your team competitive while we rebuild. It’s a sales pitch, not necessarily a real plan. But we’ll see if Leon can pull a rabbit out of his hat.
Of course that’s entirely all conjecture
Passing normally stops when Randle gets the ball
I think OG makes a lot of sense if they are looking to send RJ out in a future trade. You slot OG into the starting small forward spot, and with a lineup of Brunson, Grimes, OG, Randle, Robinson, you have 3 plus defenders next to your all-star level offensive players. Slotting Anunoby into the lineup gives you a huge upgrade defensively, and is probably neutral or slightly upgraded offensively.
I know the common line of thought would be that RJ is the better offensive player, but if you look at the numbers you’re actually getting a guy with higher percentages across the board, most importantly, he’s been a better 3pt shooter than RJ for several years. He could slot into that 3rd option role with the starters pretty seamlessly, and actually would be a great fit in the minutes with the bench guys as well because he’s not going to try and dominate the ball on those lineups like RJ does. Frees up Quickley and Toppin (if he’s not in the deal) to do their thing.
OG is what we were all hoping Reddish would be, and at only 25 years old there is still room to grow. There’s a reason the asking price for him is rumored to be so high.
First with the rotation: OG can play the 2/3/4 so he would probably start at the 2/3 next to Rj. Firet sub would remain Iq in for Rj, then Grimes in For OG, center in for center..Randle plays entire quarter, Mcbride in for Brunsonwith 2 minutes or so left..
You could even go 8 man rotstion because OG can play the backup 4 and take Mcbride out of the rotation or he gets a couple of minutes here and there. He is only getting 7 to 10 minutes anyway..Everyone cna get their minutes, Grimes minites would probably be cut down to 25 to 30.
I think eventually Rj would have to go, but with running a smaller rotation you will have more versatility and you can stagger the starters better. Thibs would have to decide though on closing lineups, that would be the toughest
It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks
Not doubting people were excited about Jackson and Rose. But it’s crazy to think the last 3 people running the Knicks have had zero experience in a NBA front office. They had never built a team before and got the top job.
The next hire has to be an experienced NBA GM.
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A lot of people were excited about his hiring Jackson and general consensus was it was a good move. Perry was a solid basketball man with previous experience and also with Rose a lot of people were excited and complimented the choice .
It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks
Not doubting people were excited about Jackson and Rose. But it’s crazy to think the last 3 people running the Knicks have had zero experience in a NBA front office. They had never built a team before and got the top job.
The next hire has to be an experienced NBA GM.
While i agree, Rose has some really experienced people working in the Knicks front office
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A lot of people were excited about his hiring Jackson and general consensus was it was a good move. Perry was a solid basketball man with previous experience and also with Rose a lot of people were excited and complimented the choice .
It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks
Not doubting people were excited about Jackson and Rose. But it’s crazy to think the last 3 people running the Knicks have had zero experience in a NBA front office. They had never built a team before and got the top job.
The next hire has to be an experienced NBA GM.
While i agree, Rose has some really experienced people working in the Knicks front office
Scott Perry sure has a lot of experience.....losing. Aller's background is managing the cap. The rest of the guys are glorified scouts, more or less.
Rosas is the guy who at least has a track record - but nobody outside the building seems to know exactly what he is or isn't responsible for. He's not even listed on the team's web page.
. What I am I saying is the last 3 people hired to run the Knicks had zero experience building an NBA team- Jackson, Mills, Rose. Grunwald and Perry were interim.
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Let’s play this out. Some say here Obi and a couple firsts. That’s not all you are giving up. OG goes into the starting lineup. So that means Grimes minutes are also reduced as he is now on the second team. Can he, IQ and McBride play all together? That’s a small team. Then let’s look at the starting lineup. We are already not the greatest shooting team. RJB and OG are not spot up shooters. Also we don’t get anything from the #5 spot with Robinson and or Sims there. I don’t see it helping our team. Prove me wrong please. I would think RJB needs to go the other way leaving OBI on the second team. Not sure that’s what Toronto wants. Just my two cents.
First with the rotation: OG can play the 2/3/4 so he would probably start at the 2/3 next to Rj. Firet sub would remain Iq in for Rj, then Grimes in For OG, center in for center..Randle plays entire quarter, Mcbride in for Brunsonwith 2 minutes or so left..
You could even go 8 man rotstion because OG can play the backup 4 and take Mcbride out of the rotation or he gets a couple of minutes here and there. He is only getting 7 to 10 minutes anyway..Everyone cna get their minutes, Grimes minites would probably be cut down to 25 to 30.
I think eventually Rj would have to go, but with running a smaller rotation you will have more versatility and you can stagger the starters better. Thibs would have to decide though on closing lineups, that would be the toughest
This. Lots of flexibility and OG is a perfect fit for Thibs style of defense . RJ probably goes in a subsequent move for the Superstar.
It's an interesting contract that makes him happy in the short term and he remains super tradeable after this season. They just fronted him money for this year. After that it's 2/43m which might even be below-market and very is tradeable.