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larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 4:42 pm
Big game tonight and a tough stretch looking forward.
#LGK
Ton of Knicks news being reported-

*According to Fred Katz of The Athletic, the Knicks have “decisively” turned down inquiries on reserve guard Miles McBride.

*Leaders in on-off plus/minus over the last 3 seasons:
1. Nikola Jokic (+13.2)
2. Joel Embiid (+11.5)
3. Immanuel Quickley (+11)

*Sources — Knicks willing to offer Obi Toppin and two first round picks as a starting point for Raptors’ OG Anunoby.
The og move makes sense if they line something else up  
Knickstape : 1/26/2023 5:31 pm : link
Would be nice to trade the mavs first and wizards 1st although I’d assume they deal an unprotected 1st along with obi

If you can do that and then deal rj along with the remaining picks for a “star” team Could actually be a contender.
RE: The og move makes sense if they line something else up  
81_Great_Dane : 1/26/2023 5:38 pm : link
In comment 16015241 Knickstape said:
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Would be nice to trade the mavs first and wizards 1st although I’d assume they deal an unprotected 1st along with obi

If you can do that and then deal rj along with the remaining picks for a “star” team Could actually be a contender.
From what I understand, RJ's contract "poison pill" makes him very difficult to deal now.

The big upgrade I want to see is at center. I have no idea how to do that.
Agreed.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 5:44 pm : link
OG would bump us up a notch - from low 40s to high 40s in terms of win total (maybe too late for this season but in general).

Brunson/OG/Randle/Grimes/IQ/Mitch is a nice supporting cast for a future star, should we ever get our hands on one. There were rumors during the endless Mitchell trade talks that the Knicks wanted to add OG as a follow-up move.
If they get OG  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 5:57 pm : link
RJ is going to the 2 and Grimes goes to the bench.
RJ contract is set up to be hard to move for another 2 years.
RE: If they get OG  
gary_from_chester : 1/26/2023 6:04 pm : link
In comment 16015275 larryflower37 said:
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RJ is going to the 2 and Grimes goes to the bench.
RJ contract is set up to be hard to move for another 2 years.


RJ is a big time liability defensively - doesn’t have the quicks to cover two’s. I love the kid but he’s at his best playing bully ball as a three. He’s a grinder so I think he keeps getting better, but don’t see him elevating to all star level play. If they get OG might mean RJ needs to be moved, somehow, some way.
I would definitely do Obi and 2 1sts  
Mike from SI : 1/26/2023 6:08 pm : link
for OG and sort out the positions / playing time later.
RE: If they get OG  
81_Great_Dane : 1/26/2023 6:38 pm : link
In comment 16015275 larryflower37 said:
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RJ is going to the 2 and Grimes goes to the bench.
RJ contract is set up to be hard to move for another 2 years.
Grimes would be a nice 6th man, as he can play the 2 or the 3. But Quickley is a better 6th man playing either guard spot.

I love Grimes's game but he will need to score more for the Knicks to take a step forward, and he's still 4th option behind Randle, Brunson and Barrett.
trade Randle at the top  
jmalls23 : 1/26/2023 6:39 pm : link
Clogs the whole offense. when he comes out ball swings. cuts, picks happen. He is the problem
RE: RE: If they get OG  
Jim in Fairfax : 1/26/2023 6:44 pm : link
In comment 16015308 81_Great_Dane said:
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I love Grimes's game but he will need to score more for the Knicks to take a step forward, and he's still 4th option behind Randle, Brunson and Barrett.

Grimes could score plenty more, he just doesn’t get the shots. He’s the 4th option on the floor. He’s got the highest effective shooting percentage on the team except for Sims and Mitch who don’t shoot outside 5 feet.
RE: trade Randle at the top  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 6:48 pm : link
In comment 16015309 jmalls23 said:
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Clogs the whole offense. when he comes out ball swings. cuts, picks happen. He is the problem


the guy averaging 25 10 and 4 is the problem?
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/26/2023 6:56 pm : link
I hope we don't move IQ. He's been damn good of late.

It's a pipedream, but I'd @ least give Presti a call & see what he wants for SGA.
RE: trade Randle at the top  
BigBlueShock : 1/26/2023 7:27 pm : link
In comment 16015309 jmalls23 said:
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Clogs the whole offense. when he comes out ball swings. cuts, picks happen. He is the problem

Tell us that you don’t watch the Knicks without telling us that you don’t watch the Knicks…
Randle is the problem  
jmalls23 : 1/26/2023 7:31 pm : link
I am not on a crusade. I watch every single game. Randle is the problem. Watch the game tonight. Tell me how many picks he sets and cuts off the ball. Tell me how many times he is near the basket. Tell me how many times he does not play ISO ball. he sits at the 3 point line exclusively. Watch the rest of the team when he has it in his hands.

just watch!!!
RE: Randle is the problem  
BigBlueShock : 1/26/2023 7:37 pm : link
In comment 16015340 jmalls23 said:
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I am not on a crusade. I watch every single game. Randle is the problem. Watch the game tonight. Tell me how many picks he sets and cuts off the ball. Tell me how many times he is near the basket. Tell me how many times he does not play ISO ball. he sits at the 3 point line exclusively. Watch the rest of the team when he has it in his hands.

just watch!!!

You absolutely do not watch the games if this is your takeaway from Randle this season. He’s been fantastic. Not perfect, but nobody gives a crap that Knicks fans always expect perfection out of players, otherwise they are the problem. The list of problems on the Knicks is extensive before it gets to Randle this season.

Stop watching old Knicks Rewinds from last season. You’re missing Randle having a great season with Brunson running the point.
We’re stuck with Reggie Miller tonight.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 7:40 pm : link
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I wanted Randle gone last year and before this season  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 7:42 pm : link
but Randle has completely changed the way he has played and is having a better year than 2 years ago when he was 2nd team all NBA..

Hr is more effecient and he has eliminated settling for long 2s..

He shoots more 3s because he is playing off Brunson more..

You keep saying he iso's, of course the arguably best player on the team is going to iso some, just like Brunson isos and Rj isos..

Watch the Celtics tonight and watch how their offense works, ball is in Tatums or Browns hands and they make the play..
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/26/2023 7:46 pm : link
Randle is the problem? I haven't watched nearly as much Knicks games as I'd like because of the wife, but GTFO with that.
RE: I wanted Randle gone last year and before this season  
BigBlueShock : 1/26/2023 7:46 pm : link
In comment 16015348 nygiants16 said:
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but Randle has completely changed the way he has played and is having a better year than 2 years ago when he was 2nd team all NBA..

Hr is more effecient and he has eliminated settling for long 2s..

He shoots more 3s because he is playing off Brunson more..

You keep saying he iso's, of course the arguably best player on the team is going to iso some, just like Brunson isos and Rj isos..

Watch the Celtics tonight and watch how their offense works, ball is in Tatums or Browns hands and they make the play..

Exactly. I wanted Randle gone too but no way in hell I can complain about how he’s playing this season. Knicks fans always want the perfect player. No matter who the player is there will be a segment of fans that can’t stand him.
oy vey  
Del Shofner : 1/26/2023 7:50 pm : link
the talent is not comparable
RE: RE: I wanted Randle gone last year and before this season  
wigs in nyc : 1/26/2023 7:54 pm : link
In comment 16015350 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 16015348 nygiants16 said:


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but Randle has completely changed the way he has played and is having a better year than 2 years ago when he was 2nd team all NBA..

Hr is more effecient and he has eliminated settling for long 2s..

He shoots more 3s because he is playing off Brunson more..

You keep saying he iso's, of course the arguably best player on the team is going to iso some, just like Brunson isos and Rj isos..

Watch the Celtics tonight and watch how their offense works, ball is in Tatums or Browns hands and they make the play..


Exactly. I wanted Randle gone too but no way in hell I can complain about how he’s playing this season. Knicks fans always want the perfect player. No matter who the player is there will be a segment of fans that can’t stand him.


Not just Knicks fans. Look at the Daniel Jones debate, with fans who will continue to excoreate him for not being Mahomes.
I hear everyone's take on Randle  
jmalls23 : 1/26/2023 7:54 pm : link
I do watch every game. I mean every game. Watch tonight and tell me if I am wrong, especially when it matters. Watch the rest of the Knicks when Randle has the ball. Love the Knicks but Randle is the problem. Ball should always move.
RE: I hear everyone's take on Randle  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 7:57 pm : link
In comment 16015357 jmalls23 said:
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I do watch every game. I mean every game. Watch tonight and tell me if I am wrong, especially when it matters. Watch the rest of the Knicks when Randle has the ball. Love the Knicks but Randle is the problem. Ball should always move.


You should watch the NBA more
Randle keeping the Knicks in jt  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 8:03 pm : link
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JuLiUs RaNdLe  
Mike from SI : 1/26/2023 8:07 pm : link
iS tHe PrObLeM. Lol.
Hey Rj  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 8:09 pm : link
here is an idea, stop forcing
Really don’t want  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 8:23 pm : link
Doogie Howser lighting us up again.
RE: Really don’t want  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 8:24 pm : link
In comment 16015379 bceagle05 said:
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Doogie Howser lighting us up again.


I dont know why they are not attacking every time down on offense
Unleash Grimes  
jmalls23 : 1/26/2023 8:29 pm : link
So good
Quickley changed this game  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 8:30 pm : link
he has been so damn good
RE: Quickley changed this game  
Mike from SI : 1/26/2023 8:34 pm : link
In comment 16015385 nygiants16 said:
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he has been so damn good


So, so good. We cannot trade him unless it's for an absolute stud.
Great half.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 8:36 pm : link
This was looking like a blowout early.
I hate these TNT clowns -  
Del Shofner : 1/26/2023 8:41 pm : link
Wally and Monica and Alan may be far from perfect but at least they're our far from perfect. I see nothing likable about this team.
play sims  
jmalls23 : 1/26/2023 8:57 pm : link
man child
Rj is killing us  
Knickstape : 1/26/2023 9:03 pm : link
Rj its not your night  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 9:03 pm : link
stop forcing please..You have no midrange you are just asking to get your shotblocked
Trade Randle while he is hot 🔥  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 9:04 pm : link
Because it will not last it never does.
I want off this damn roller coaster.

#FREEOBI
Larry Flowers not sure if you are kidding  
jmalls23 : 1/26/2023 9:06 pm : link
sure hope so
Can’t stand RJ.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 9:10 pm : link
Make a fucking layup dude - getting downhill is the only thing you’re good at on a basketball court.
Quickley for Rj please  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 9:11 pm : link
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RE: Can’t stand RJ.  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16015421 bceagle05 said:
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Make a fucking layup dude - getting downhill is the only thing you’re good at on a basketball court.


absolutely killing the momentum and its every time the Randle or Brunson gets hot
RE: RE: Can’t stand RJ.  
Carl in CT : 1/26/2023 9:16 pm : link
In comment 16015424 nygiants16 said:
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Make a fucking layup dude - getting downhill is the only thing you’re good at on a basketball court.



absolutely killing the momentum and its every time the Randle or Brunson gets hot



16 he sucks so bad. Please send him to Toronto for anyone!
brrunson so good  
jmalls23 : 1/26/2023 9:19 pm : link
Give me 10 Brunsons
Silly use of the foul to give.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 9:22 pm : link
Let Brogdon launch an off balance three from 25 feet.
Why did they not review rhat?  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 9:29 pm : link
hauser smacked Quickley across the head?
Why does Rj continue to force?  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 9:30 pm : link
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RE: Why does Rj continue to force?  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 9:32 pm : link
In comment 16015437 nygiants16 said:
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I don’t he’s ever made that fadeaway when he spins to his right, but he keeps trying.

Anyway, let’s finish this!
*don’t think  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 9:32 pm : link
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Toppin  
Mike in NY : 1/26/2023 9:33 pm : link
What does he have to do to get minutes?
Crazy Barrett is +12  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 9:35 pm : link
Randle -7
Toppin +18
RE: Crazy Barrett is +12  
Mike from SI : 1/26/2023 9:36 pm : link
In comment 16015441 larryflower37 said:
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Randle -7
Toppin +18


Because they were playing with IQ.
RE: RE: Crazy Barrett is +12  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 9:37 pm : link
In comment 16015443 Mike from SI said:
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Randle -7
Toppin +18



Because they were playing with IQ.

Quickley is +8
blow them out  
jmalls23 : 1/26/2023 9:39 pm : link
1 time!!!!
Ugh, needed that Grimes three.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 9:45 pm : link
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Randle 2 fouls in a row  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 9:46 pm : link
Than dribbles into the double team
Refs calling everything ticky tack now for the celticz  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 9:48 pm : link
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Randle on the wrong sides  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 9:48 pm : link
Of 3 and 1s
In the clutch
Jesus christ Grimes  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 9:49 pm : link
catch the fricken ball..

This team cant close
nice play Julius  
jmalls23 : 1/26/2023 9:49 pm : link
you bum
RE: Jesus christ Grimes  
Strahan91 : 1/26/2023 9:50 pm : link
In comment 16015456 nygiants16 said:
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catch the fricken ball..

This team cant close

That was not on Grimes lol. Awful pass
And a bad pass to grimes  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 9:50 pm : link
He just tries to do too much at the ends of the game.
Both Brunson, Grimes and Randle are fresh and blowing a 10 point lead
RE: nice play Julius  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 9:50 pm : link
In comment 16015457 jmalls23 said:
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you bum


No comment on the 2 clutch jumperz?
Randle kinda puts guys in a tough spot  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 9:50 pm : link
with those last-second passes. Everyone thinks he’s shooting and goes to crash the boards.
Stop fucking dribbling and pass  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 9:52 pm : link
The ball.
Iso bullshit losing the game
Sims is useless out there. Playing 4 on 5  
Strahan91 : 1/26/2023 9:52 pm : link
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RE: RE: nice play Julius  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 9:52 pm : link
In comment 16015460 nygiants16 said:
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you bum



No comment on the 2 clutch jumperz?

Yeah that nullifies the 2 turnovers and 3 and 1's on the defensive end
Not liking our chances here.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 9:54 pm : link
Needed a couple of stops down the stretch and couldn’t get them.
Grimes was absolutely useless the last 6 minutes  
Stu11 : 1/26/2023 9:55 pm : link
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And our front office loves  
Carl in CT : 1/26/2023 9:55 pm : link
Grimes and RJB? I’ll take OBi and IQ all day! Fuck!
up 11 panic  
jmalls23 : 1/26/2023 9:55 pm : link
joke
Refs are crooked  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 9:57 pm : link
..
Tatum gets that continuation  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 9:58 pm : link
1000 times out of 1000. Horseshit.
Bring the starters back  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 9:58 pm : link
And the blow a 12 point lead in 4:30 minutes.
Wait so Tatum is shooting  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 9:58 pm : link
but Brunson wasnt? come on
fake stats  
jmalls23 : 1/26/2023 9:58 pm : link
clowns
Nice D  
Carl in CT : 1/26/2023 9:59 pm : link
RJB you stink
RE: Bring the starters back  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 10:00 pm : link
In comment 16015473 larryflower37 said:
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And the blow a 12 point lead in 4:30 minutes.


So you wanted to leave Brunson and Randle on the bench?
They are playing the best team in the NBA  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 10:01 pm : link
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RE: RE: Bring the starters back  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 10:02 pm : link
In comment 16015478 nygiants16 said:
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And the blow a 12 point lead in 4:30 minutes.



So you wanted to leave Brunson and Randle on the bench?

Randle is not clutch
About to blow it  
Mark from Jersey : 1/26/2023 10:03 pm : link
No one wants to lead this team.
RJ !!!!  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 10:03 pm : link
In the corner!!!!
Thank you God.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 10:03 pm : link
RJ hits one. Please get a stop. I want one of these wins.
How many open 3’s is Grimes going to miss  
Strahan91 : 1/26/2023 10:03 pm : link
in the clutch?
I  
Professor Falken : 1/26/2023 10:03 pm : link
think Thibs and Gallant were separated at birth.
If Sims can’t grab a rebound, WTF is he doing out there???  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/26/2023 10:04 pm : link
Big time shot by RJ!!!
Tatum is going to out his head down  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 10:04 pm : link
and try and get the foul and 1
RE: How many open 3’s is Grimes going to miss  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 10:04 pm : link
In comment 16015484 Strahan91 said:
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in the clutch?


He is at 4 now.
RE: How many open 3’s is Grimes going to miss  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 10:05 pm : link
In comment 16015484 Strahan91 said:
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in the clutch?

If Clyde were calling the game he’d point out that Grimes is “aiming it.” He’s not just letting it fly.
Rj giveth and he taketh away  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 10:05 pm : link
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Wow I blink and they take the lead.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 10:05 pm : link
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Last shot gotta go to Brunson  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 10:05 pm : link
Not Randle please🙏
WTF is Sims doing????  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/26/2023 10:06 pm : link
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Why would you go to the rim there?  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 10:07 pm : link
Hold for the last shot
refs just wanted to try and give this to the celtics  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 10:08 pm : link
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RJ better make these  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/26/2023 10:09 pm : link
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Come on RJ  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 10:09 pm : link
Hit 2.
Big time freebies by RJ  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/26/2023 10:09 pm : link
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Wow  
Mark from Jersey : 1/26/2023 10:09 pm : link
Missed ‘em both
come on 1 stop !!  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 10:10 pm : link
btw we all may argue, but i absolutely love the Knicks talk here
Clutch RJ  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 10:10 pm : link
Nice job.
Let's play some D.
Wow, clutch FTs  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 10:10 pm : link
by Randle and RJ. Can we get a fucking stop? If Grimes fouls another three point shooter we’re cutting him tonight.
NICE!!  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 10:11 pm : link
Best win of the year.
Big fucking win!!  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 10:11 pm : link
grown man win tonight
That’s a fucking win right there Boyz!!!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/26/2023 10:11 pm : link
Randle & RJ with the buckets late
Fuck yeah!!!!!  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 10:11 pm : link
2 huge wins in a row.
Winner!!!!!  
Anakim : 1/26/2023 10:12 pm : link
Wooooo
What a remarkable and pleasant win  
djm : 1/26/2023 10:12 pm : link
Big two wins here against cavs and bos.
Ice win!  
Mark from Jersey : 1/26/2023 10:12 pm : link
Nice
hoky shit that felt good  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 10:14 pm : link
wow
RE: They are playing the best team in the NBA  
AG5686 : 1/26/2023 10:14 pm : link
In comment 16015479 nygiants16 said:
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You said it all!!
Still hate  
Carl in CT : 1/26/2023 10:15 pm : link
RJB
Bring on Brooklyn!!!  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 10:15 pm : link
Settle all family business this week
No matter how anyone feels about the team or talent  
Knickstape : 1/26/2023 10:16 pm : link
Always great beating Boston. Fuck them
BTW love you guys  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 10:17 pm : link
i may be annoying and i apologize but love tlaking ball with you guys, nights like tonight make it even better
RE: Still hate  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 10:17 pm : link
In comment 16015516 Carl in CT said:
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RJB

Bing bong  
Strahan91 : 1/26/2023 10:17 pm : link
!
RE: Bring on Brooklyn!!!  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 10:18 pm : link
In comment 16015517 larryflower37 said:
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Settle all family business this week

Yeah, can we finally beat those guys? They’ve had some nice wins without KD but I think we’re due for a W against those guys. Maybe Kyrie will take the night off.
Brooklyn jist lost to detroit at home  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 10:19 pm : link
make another statement saturday in primetime..

clutch free throws?  
Enzo : 1/26/2023 10:20 pm : link
who is this team?
I wish we could get off this rollercoaster  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 10:20 pm : link
This team is so hot and cold at times.
RE: I wish we could get off this rollercoaster  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 10:21 pm : link
In comment 16015527 larryflower37 said:
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This team is so hot and cold at times.


They got 2 all stars, no reason for the up and down but i think a lot of it is energy, i think sometimes they just have no legs, they need to add another depth piece
Wow didn't see that coming  
Stu11 : 1/26/2023 10:21 pm : link
Great win. Who'd have predicted RJ & Randle go 4-4 and the Celts brick 2 fts in the last 20 seconds.
Great win  
TyreeHelmet : 1/26/2023 10:23 pm : link
Randle has been awesome. RJ was very clutch at the end. And what a block by Brunson!
the +/-  
Enzo : 1/26/2023 10:23 pm : link
numbers for this game are nuts.

Randle -16
Obi +19
RJ +14
Robert Williams +21
RE: Great win  
Enzo : 1/26/2023 10:24 pm : link
In comment 16015531 TyreeHelmet said:
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Randle has been awesome. RJ was very clutch at the end.And what a block by Brunson!

except on defense, lol.
RE: the +/-  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 10:26 pm : link
In comment 16015532 Enzo said:
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numbers for this game are nuts.

Randle -16
Obi +19
RJ +14
Robert Williams +21

Both big runs were by the bench and both Boston come backs were when the starters were on the floor.
Score 34 points and have a -16
I don’t want to beat a dead horse  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 10:27 pm : link
but OG would be so freaking perfect for this roster. Grimes shouldn’t be guarding the Tatums and Siakams of the league on a nightly basis - you can tell it’s wearing him down.
RE: I don’t want to beat a dead horse  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 10:28 pm : link
In comment 16015535 bceagle05 said:
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but OG would be so freaking perfect for this roster. Grimes shouldn’t be guarding the Tatums and Siakams of the league on a nightly basis - you can tell it’s wearing him down.


Grimes is not ready to start and it should be Quickley yes you lose something on defense but Quickley give you so much more on the offensive end
RE: I don’t want to beat a dead horse  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 10:30 pm : link
In comment 16015535 bceagle05 said:
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but OG would be so freaking perfect for this roster. Grimes shouldn’t be guarding the Tatums and Siakams of the league on a nightly basis - you can tell it’s wearing him down.


He adds some size to the back court, Knicks have trouble with bigger wings
Great D at the end  
Vanzetti : 1/26/2023 10:32 pm : link
Knicks were the better team all night after putrid beginning.

I think they really missed Mitch tonight. No way Tatum drives at will to the basket if the Stoner Giant is in the paint.
RE: I  
Vanzetti : 1/26/2023 10:36 pm : link
In comment 16015485 Professor Falken said:
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think Thibs and Gallant were separated at birth.


Yup. Same type of coach. Both guys will bring structure and discipline the first season and have the team play over its head. But then slowly structure becomes rigidity.

But Knicks are still developing. So no problem with Thibs this year. He teaches young guys the fundamentals
RE: Great D at the end  
Del Shofner : 1/26/2023 10:40 pm : link
In comment 16015539 Vanzetti said:
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Knicks were the better team all night after putrid beginning.

I think they really missed Mitch tonight. No way Tatum drives at will to the basket if the Stoner Giant is in the paint.


They definitely miss Mitch. Sims is still a work in progress and Hart is Hart. Mitch is a force on D and rebounding.
RE: RE: I don’t want to beat a dead horse  
Enzo : 1/26/2023 10:41 pm : link
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but OG would be so freaking perfect for this roster. Grimes shouldn’t be guarding the Tatums and Siakams of the league on a nightly basis - you can tell it’s wearing him down.



Grimes is not ready to start and it should be Quickley yes you lose something on defense but Quickley give you so much more on the offensive end

or just play Grimes and Quickly and bench RJ the ball hog.
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Enzo : 1/26/2023 10:42 pm : link
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think Thibs and Gallant were separated at birth.



Yup. Same type of coach. Both guys will bring structure and discipline the first season and have the team play over its head. But then slowly structure becomes rigidity.

But Knicks are still developing. So no problem with Thibs this year. He teaches young guys the fundamentals

yeah, Obi's really learning a lot.
RE: I don’t want to beat a dead horse  
Strahan91 : 1/26/2023 10:44 pm : link
In comment 16015535 bceagle05 said:
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but OG would be so freaking perfect for this roster. Grimes shouldn’t be guarding the Tatums and Siakams of the league on a nightly basis - you can tell it’s wearing him down.

Yes he would be but I wouldn’t count on it happening
RE: RE: RE: I don’t want to beat a dead horse  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 10:55 pm : link
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but OG would be so freaking perfect for this roster. Grimes shouldn’t be guarding the Tatums and Siakams of the league on a nightly basis - you can tell it’s wearing him down.



Grimes is not ready to start and it should be Quickley yes you lose something on defense but Quickley give you so much more on the offensive end


or just play Grimes and Quickly and bench RJ the ball hog.

Grimes was 0-4 down the stretch from 3 in big moment.
RJ had 5 big points in OT
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don’t want to beat a dead horse  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/26/2023 10:56 pm : link
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but OG would be so freaking perfect for this roster. Grimes shouldn’t be guarding the Tatums and Siakams of the league on a nightly basis - you can tell it’s wearing him down.



Grimes is not ready to start and it should be Quickley yes you lose something on defense but Quickley give you so much more on the offensive end


or just play Grimes and Quickly and bench RJ the ball hog.


Grimes was 0-4 down the stretch from 3 in big moment.
RJ had 5 big points in OT
He also gave up an easy blow by with no resistance to Brown right after the 3.
Even if they bith dint make it  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 10:57 pm : link
and both probably wont, but Randle and Brunson are all stars..
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Enzo : 1/26/2023 10:59 pm : link
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but OG would be so freaking perfect for this roster. Grimes shouldn’t be guarding the Tatums and Siakams of the league on a nightly basis - you can tell it’s wearing him down.



Grimes is not ready to start and it should be Quickley yes you lose something on defense but Quickley give you so much more on the offensive end


or just play Grimes and Quickly and bench RJ the ball hog.


Grimes was 0-4 down the stretch from 3 in big moment.
RJ had 5 big points in OT

Both Quick and Grimes are better defenders than RJ. Both are better shooting the ball. Stats don't lie.
My pet peeve with Brunson  
steve in ky : 1/26/2023 11:02 pm : link
He’s done it all season and again tonight.

When they are leading late in a game and want to use up the clock he lets the ball roll down the court before picking it up which of course something you do when behind and trying to conserve the clock.

RE: Even if they bith dint make it  
Del Shofner : 1/26/2023 11:03 pm : link
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love your posts, it's like reading English from the 1500s!

j/k, go Knicks
Poor Jon Macri  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2023 11:03 pm : link
is under the weather - he’s missing his Knicks Film School postgame show for the best win of the season.
RE: RE: Even if they bith dint make it  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 11:03 pm : link
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love your posts, it's like reading English from the 1500s!

j/k, go Knicks


hahaha i type to damn fast and i hit send without reasing it back lol
RE: My pet peeve with Brunson  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 11:04 pm : link
In comment 16015558 steve in ky said:
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He’s done it all season and again tonight.

When they are leading late in a game and want to use up the clock he lets the ball roll down the court before picking it up which of course something you do when behind and trying to conserve the clock.


Clock runs after a made basket until 2 minutes left
RE: RE: My pet peeve with Brunson  
steve in ky : 1/26/2023 11:08 pm : link
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He’s done it all season and again tonight.

When they are leading late in a game and want to use up the clock he lets the ball roll down the court before picking it up which of course something you do when behind and trying to conserve the clock.




Clock runs after a made basket until 2 minutes left


I’m pretty sure he’s done it with that time frame
RE: RE: RE: My pet peeve with Brunson  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 11:11 pm : link
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He’s done it all season and again tonight.

When they are leading late in a game and want to use up the clock he lets the ball roll down the court before picking it up which of course something you do when behind and trying to conserve the clock.




Clock runs after a made basket until 2 minutes left



I’m pretty sure he’s done it with that time frame


i havnt paid to much attention to it, i know he did it a couple of times with the clock runing
Bulls have to consider blowing up their team right?  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 11:18 pm : link
just blew another lead at halftime this time to the worst team in the league in the Hornets
RE: RE: RE: RE: My pet peeve with Brunson  
Stu11 : 1/26/2023 11:24 pm : link
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He’s done it all season and again tonight.

When they are leading late in a game and want to use up the clock he lets the ball roll down the court before picking it up which of course something you do when behind and trying to conserve the clock.




Clock runs after a made basket until 2 minutes left



I’m pretty sure he’s done it with that time frame



i havnt paid to much attention to it, i know he did it a couple of times with the clock runing

He does it to conserve time on the shot clock. It doesn't start till the ball touches someone in bounds. This way you get near half court with no time coming off the SC.
Yeah that makes sense  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2023 11:30 pm : link
..
You guys are acting like Yankees fans with the criticism  
Mike from SI : 1/26/2023 11:39 pm : link
of some of these guys. This is the New York Knicks, I'm just glad we have competent players and might make the playoffs. (And yes I want to win a championship, but compared to the entire last 2 decades, this is by far one of the better teams.)
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2023 5:29 am : link
Great win. The Cs are probably the favorites to win it all.
I seriously cannot get a handle on this team  
Heisenberg : 1/27/2023 7:51 am : link
Just when it seems like they're maybe dead, they pull this shit.
This team if they can get OG can make life very  
Knickstape : 1/27/2023 8:08 am : link
Difficult for teams the rest of the year

Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st

Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims

Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward
My take from last night ...  
robbieballs2003 : 1/27/2023 8:22 am : link
The rotations were much better. Holy shit, Randle came out at the end of the first and didn't come back until late in the 2nd. He actually let the 2nd group play a lot and even against Boston's starters. The 2nd unit was phenomenal.

With that said and as good as Randle has been this year, he was pathetic on D last night in the 4th. He was lackadaisical getting on Tatum. Tatum just kept blowing by him. Thibs watched the starters lose a double digit lead in the 4th. The game never should have went to overtime. Every time Tatum was matched up on Randle it was an easy drive to the basket. I kept yelling to change it up. Put either RJ or Grimes on him. Grimes finally got on him like in the last possession in the 4th and helped us get to OT. That was the difference right there.

It is mind bottling (yes, reference to Chazz Michael Michaels) that Thibs is a defensive guy and our defense is so fuckin poor. He has one way of doing things. Look at Wink. All you hear from coaches is how Wink mixes shit up from game to game. Thibs does the same thing every year. We constantly collapse on D and leave wide open 3s. That was a huge reason for us blowing the lead in the 4th.

It was a great win. I didn't think we were going to pull that out. Hopefully this starts a winning streak for us. But we still need to see Thibs adjust to the current NBA.
RE: This team if they can get OG can make life very  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2023 8:26 am : link
In comment 16015650 Knickstape said:
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Difficult for teams the rest of the year

Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st

Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims

Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward


yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..

The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..
RE: RE: This team if they can get OG can make life very  
BigBlueShock : 1/27/2023 8:32 am : link
In comment 16015659 nygiants16 said:
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Difficult for teams the rest of the year

Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st

Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims

Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward



yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..

The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..

The problem is OG is going to cost a ton. So what are we willing to give up? Someone mentioned earlier Obi and two firsts. That’s not close to what it would take. After adding OG, those picks lose value. Toronto isn’t trading him for Obi and a couple of late 20’s picks. And we all know Leon isn’t comfortable giving up too many of his precious assets that he’s worked so hard to acquire…
RE: RE: RE: This team if they can get OG can make life very  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2023 8:36 am : link
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Difficult for teams the rest of the year

Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st

Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims

Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward



yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..

The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..


The problem is OG is going to cost a ton. So what are we willing to give up? Someone mentioned earlier Obi and two firsts. That’s not close to what it would take. After adding OG, those picks lose value. Toronto isn’t trading him for Obi and a couple of late 20’s picks. And we all know Leon isn’t comfortable giving up too many of his precious assets that he’s worked so hard to acquire…


My guess a final deal would end up being Obi, Cam and Rose plus an unprotected and 2 protected for OG and cap filler..
Bulls want 2 unprotected 1sts for Caruso  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2023 8:39 am : link
who do they think they are trading? haha
RE: RE: RE: RE: This team if they can get OG can make life very  
BigBlueShock : 1/27/2023 8:41 am : link
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Difficult for teams the rest of the year

Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st

Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims

Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward



yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..

The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..


The problem is OG is going to cost a ton. So what are we willing to give up? Someone mentioned earlier Obi and two firsts. That’s not close to what it would take. After adding OG, those picks lose value. Toronto isn’t trading him for Obi and a couple of late 20’s picks. And we all know Leon isn’t comfortable giving up too many of his precious assets that he’s worked so hard to acquire…



My guess a final deal would end up being Obi, Cam and Rose plus an unprotected and 2 protected for OG and cap filler..

You’re probably close but that’s likely the Knicks top offer. I can envision running into the same issue as with Mitchell and Toronto wanting one of Grimes/Quickley along with Obi and the three picks. They will have plenty of suitors and they are a very smart franchise. Rose trying to work a deal with a much more seasoned GM has a familiar feel to it, lol
Yeah og is a player you need to have a walk away price  
Knickstape : 1/27/2023 8:54 am : link
Right now Knicks have

All of there own 1sts
Dallas / pistons/ wizards /bucks protected picks

Obi iq grimes cam deuce as trade chips


A deal of obi and cam 2 protected picks and 1 unprotected would be reasonable and then you still have a ton of ammo to go acquire your star player.

If they want more than that. Then I’d steer clear of any og deal
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This team if they can get OG can make life very  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2023 8:55 am : link
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Difficult for teams the rest of the year

Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st

Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims

Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward



yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..

The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..


The problem is OG is going to cost a ton. So what are we willing to give up? Someone mentioned earlier Obi and two firsts. That’s not close to what it would take. After adding OG, those picks lose value. Toronto isn’t trading him for Obi and a couple of late 20’s picks. And we all know Leon isn’t comfortable giving up too many of his precious assets that he’s worked so hard to acquire…



My guess a final deal would end up being Obi, Cam and Rose plus an unprotected and 2 protected for OG and cap filler..


You’re probably close but that’s likely the Knicks top offer. I can envision running into the same issue as with Mitchell and Toronto wanting one of Grimes/Quickley along with Obi and the three picks. They will have plenty of suitors and they are a very smart franchise. Rose trying to work a deal with a much more seasoned GM has a familiar feel to it, lol


Probably would ask for Grimes or Quick and i turn around and offer 2 unprotected picks and see if they bite, if they dont i move on to the next level down for a wing..

Knicks need to add a wing to either come off the bench or start and have Grimes come off the bench..
and i know i am the resident Rj hater  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2023 8:56 am : link
BUT OG deal then opens the Knicks up to offer Rj in a star deal and you could really go all in and have a contender.
I think everything comes right down to the deadline in the league  
Stu11 : 1/27/2023 9:00 am : link
the asks right now are insane. You have to see if these teams come off of that as we get to the deadline.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: My pet peeve with Brunson  
Crispino : 1/27/2023 9:10 am : link
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He’s done it all season and again tonight.

When they are leading late in a game and want to use up the clock he lets the ball roll down the court before picking it up which of course something you do when behind and trying to conserve the clock.




Clock runs after a made basket until 2 minutes left



I’m pretty sure he’s done it with that time frame



i havnt paid to much attention to it, i know he did it a couple of times with the clock runing


He does it to conserve time on the shot clock. It doesn't start till the ball touches someone in bounds. This way you get near half court with no time coming off the SC.



Brunson has possibly the highest basketball IQ in the NBA.
RE: I think everything comes right down to the deadline in the league  
Semipro Lineman : 1/27/2023 9:17 am : link
In comment 16015691 Stu11 said:
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the asks right now are insane. You have to see if these teams come off of that as we get to the deadline.


For me the problem isn't teams starting out with an insane ask but it's the refusal to budge that is getting ridiculous. But I'm sure the Bulls can't afford to look bad in the morning pundit show if they trade the Bald Mamba for anything less than a major haul. I mean that's more important than taking a deal which helps your team and cap space
Bucks have a standing offer  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2023 11:10 am : link
to Reddish and Jae Crowder...According to reports the GM told teams whoever calls back first gets Nwora
RE: and i know i am the resident Rj hater  
AG5686 : 1/27/2023 11:16 am : link
In comment 16015685 nygiants16 said:
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BUT OG deal then opens the Knicks up to offer Rj in a star deal and you could really go all in and have a contender.

Mr 16,the president of the RJ fan club is on line 1...
he insists you give RJ some time,he is only 22-oh and he came up huge in crunch time last nite
RE: RE: and i know i am the resident Rj hater  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2023 11:23 am : link
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BUT OG deal then opens the Knicks up to offer Rj in a star deal and you could really go all in and have a contender.


Mr 16,the president of the RJ fan club is on line 1...
he insists you give RJ some time,he is only 22-oh and he came up huge in crunch time last nite


Its not that i want to give up on him, not at all, i just dont know his fit next to Brunson and Randle as the 3rd guy..Can he be effecient enough next 2 other big scorers..

RE: and i know i am the resident Rj hater  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2023 12:08 pm : link
In comment 16015685 nygiants16 said:
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BUT OG deal then opens the Knicks up to offer Rj in a star deal and you could really go all in and have a contender.


You are and RJ will be hard to put in any deal for a star because they will be rebuilding and a poison pill 30 million dollars contract is not what a team will want.
Also your hate for RJ is not the same as the organization, he is a home grown talent that is 22 years old with strong work ethic that they expect to get better.
Grimes will move the bench if OG is traded for and if RJ and OG work out the remainder of the season that will be your lineup.
Grimes offensive liabilities are going to hold him back, he is only 22 and if he could develop a handle and some off the dribble moves he could be a heck of a player but right now he is not there
His poisen pill is gone in the offseason  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2023 12:16 pm : link
and again me wanting to trade him is not trading him for a bum, i said trade for a star player..

I am not hating on Rj by saying he may not fit next to Randle and Brunson, i dont understsnd why that is taken as hating..

I skipped the game thinking they would get their doors blown off  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/27/2023 12:41 pm : link
So what do I know.

But, while I like the concept of Quickley with the starters full time, I'm not sure that's best.

What grimes does off-ball in the starting lineup is sorely needed. The ball sticks a lot between Randle, Brunson, and RJ.

You NEED cutters and spacers, and he does that. It's a good fit to have his skillset out there

At the same time, Grimes would benefit offensively from playing with the second unit where he can take more shots.
OG is not what Knicks need  
Vanzetti : 1/27/2023 12:49 pm : link
4th leading scorer on a team well below .500
14.6 PER
.77 WS/48

It's true he is "Thibs player" so he would get minutes. But why should knicks build a team around Thibs, who is not going to be the coach longterm?

I mean if they can get him cheap? Sure. He is a good defender. But I would not give up any of the young core guys for him.
RE: OG is not what Knicks need  
robbieballs2003 : 1/27/2023 1:05 pm : link
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4th leading scorer on a team well below .500
14.6 PER
.77 WS/48

It's true he is "Thibs player" so he would get minutes. But why should knicks build a team around Thibs, who is not going to be the coach longterm?

I mean if they can get him cheap? Sure. He is a good defender. But I would not give up any of the young core guys for him.


Absolutely. There's such disconnect with the front office and Thibs.
RE: OG is not what Knicks need  
steve in ky : 1/27/2023 1:07 pm : link
In comment 16015943 Vanzetti said:
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4th leading scorer on a team well below .500
14.6 PER
.77 WS/48

It's true he is "Thibs player" so he would get minutes. But why should knicks build a team around Thibs, who is not going to be the coach longterm?

I mean if they can get him cheap? Sure. He is a good defender. But I would not give up any of the young core guys for him.


My thoughts exactly, why do we want Grimes back on the bench? He’s got all the tools to where he may become a start player in his own right. Guys like him, Quick, Barrett all need to play and be allowed to progress instead of trading for someone that isn’t a star and would just steal their minutes
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djm : 1/27/2023 1:09 pm : link
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think Thibs and Gallant were separated at birth.



Yup. Same type of coach. Both guys will bring structure and discipline the first season and have the team play over its head. But then slowly structure becomes rigidity.

But Knicks are still developing. So no problem with Thibs this year. He teaches young guys the fundamentals


yeah, Obi's really learning a lot.


Who is to blame? Maybe the dude just isn't that good.

Every other young player has gotten better or at least proven they can play in the NBA. Except for? Obi and Reddish.

Whenever I watch Obi the guy gets cooked on defense time and time again. Guys take him for a ride to the basket far too often. HE's an OK at best rebounder which is being kind. And he is a decent scorer who does his best work on spot up 3s and transition. Add it all up and you have a limited player who should NOT be playing big minutes if the team is trying to win and the player in front of him is named Julius Randle.


RE: RE: and i know i am the resident Rj hater  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2023 1:15 pm : link
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BUT OG deal then opens the Knicks up to offer Rj in a star deal and you could really go all in and have a contender.



You are and RJ will be hard to put in any deal for a star because they will be rebuilding and a poison pill 30 million dollars contract is not what a team will want.
Also your hate for RJ is not the same as the organization, he is a home grown talent that is 22 years old with strong work ethic that they expect to get better.
Grimes will move the bench if OG is traded for and if RJ and OG work out the remainder of the season that will be your lineup.
Grimes offensive liabilities are going to hold him back, he is only 22 and if he could develop a handle and some off the dribble moves he could be a heck of a player but right now he is not there


NY16 love ya brother you self described as the RJ hater.
I get as frustrated as everyone about RJ but I don't think the organization feels the same as you and IMO they would move Grimes, Quickley Etc. Before RJ.
maybe Obi needs more minutes in order to reach a new level  
djm : 1/27/2023 1:16 pm : link
I can't argue with that possibility. I just don't think the guy is that good. He literally looks like he isn't that good unless he's flying down the court for a dunk or shooting an open corner 3. He's not thick enough to body the PFs/Cs and he can't get his own shot. So you can't run your O through him and his D and rebounding is basically below average. Good luck with that.

If we were talking about a 25 win team maybe you play him more. This team could win 48-50 if things break right. They are trying to avoid the play in. I know we poo-poo the ceiling of this team but the mgmt and HC want to win as many games as possible.
oh and Enzo  
djm : 1/27/2023 1:25 pm : link
I wasn't really coming at you for any thibs hate or Obi defense, I get what you were saying--it's true, Obi isn't learning...
What about Siakam?  
TyreeHelmet : 1/27/2023 1:26 pm : link
I know he would cost more and probably isn't available but hes the Raptor I would be targeting.

You would have to adjust against a few big teams but I love a 5 of Brunson, Grimes, RJ, Randle, Siakam.

Would Toppin, 2 unprotected 1sts, 3 protected plus salary filler make Toronto think?

He's a 28 year old all nba player who plays both ends... You can always try to upgrade from RJ too for the next star.
RE: What about Siakam?  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2023 1:31 pm : link
In comment 16015990 TyreeHelmet said:
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I know he would cost more and probably isn't available but hes the Raptor I would be targeting.

You would have to adjust against a few big teams but I love a 5 of Brunson, Grimes, RJ, Randle, Siakam.

Would Toppin, 2 unprotected 1sts, 3 protected plus salary filler make Toronto think?

He's a 28 year old all nba player who plays both ends... You can always try to upgrade from RJ too for the next star.

He plays PF and would clash with Randle.
I'm much lower on Obi  
Mike from SI : 1/27/2023 2:19 pm : link
than most of you guys, just usually don't want to get my head taken off for that opinion. I really don't see a quality NBA starter. He's good for his role now.
I watched a good part of the game yesterday  
arniefez : 1/27/2023 3:03 pm : link
including the entire 4th qtr. I don't watch the Knicks much but they were playing Boston who I sports hate and nothing else that interested me was on. I don't follow the NBA like all of you guys do. I barely know who the guys on the Knicks are. But IMO you don't need to follow the NBA to see that no team can win consistently playing the way the Knicks did in the last 5 minutes last night. You guys tell me, is the way Randle and Brunson played on offense at the end of the game on them on the coach or both? That was embarrassing to watch. Just hero street ball 1 on 5 with 4 guys standing around doing nothing but watching. That's a NBA end of the game half court offense? That games plays out the same way 10 times and IMO Boston wins 8 of them.
RE: RE: What about Siakam?  
TyreeHelmet : 1/27/2023 3:07 pm : link
In comment 16015996 larryflower37 said:
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I know he would cost more and probably isn't available but hes the Raptor I would be targeting.

You would have to adjust against a few big teams but I love a 5 of Brunson, Grimes, RJ, Randle, Siakam.

Would Toppin, 2 unprotected 1sts, 3 protected plus salary filler make Toronto think?

He's a 28 year old all nba player who plays both ends... You can always try to upgrade from RJ too for the next star.


He plays PF and would clash with Randle.


You can’t play them together?
Can someone explain to me  
Carl in CT : 1/27/2023 3:27 pm : link
It happens year after year, the Bulls, Charlotte, Indiana and Toronto all stink. Our players are worth nothing. We beat this teams out for playoffs (sometimes playoff position seeding) and all their players are worth multiple picks players etc and all Knick players are garbage. I just don’t get it.
Dolan is on with Carton and Roberts  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2023 3:29 pm : link
Just caught the end here but I'm sure they'll post the whole interview later. Damage control, as usual.
RE: Dolan is on with Carton and Roberts  
djm : 1/27/2023 4:20 pm : link
In comment 16016138 bceagle05 said:
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Just caught the end here but I'm sure they'll post the whole interview later. Damage control, as usual.


Dolan doesn't come off badly in the interview. Even when I heard him years ago he didn't come off badly but the petty weird shit he pulls paints him in a bad light and it should.

He spends money and seems to butt out so I don't have an issue with him. I am not wearing an FU** Dolan T shirt to any games and I am not a lawyer...so I am safe.
Siakam is a better fit than you might think  
Heisenberg : 1/27/2023 4:35 pm : link
He only plays 50% of his minutes at PF. He plays the rest at SF and about 20% at C (26% this year). He actually might be the kind of guy that can play Center in a bit of a smaller ball 5.

Of course, that would only be if Thibs would play him at either of those positions.
RE: RE: Dolan is on with Carton and Roberts  
steve in ky : 1/27/2023 5:27 pm : link
In comment 16016208 djm said:
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Just caught the end here but I'm sure they'll post the whole interview later. Damage control, as usual.



Dolan doesn't come off badly in the interview. Even when I heard him years ago he didn't come off badly but the petty weird shit he pulls paints him in a bad light and it should.

He spends money and seems to butt out so I don't have an issue with him. I am not wearing an FU** Dolan T shirt to any games and I am not a lawyer...so I am safe.


After he stepped away from involving himself in the basketball operations when he relented it to Jackson, he basically said it was a relief and he realized he didn’t have the expertise to be that involved. The guy spends money and by all accounts for years now keeps an arms length from the process. If he a jerk in person, I don’t know him but it certainly sounds that way but he isn’t a problem as an owner these days.

Blaming him for everything wrong with the Knicks is just a popular take that a lot of people go to but I don’t believe he’s been a problem for years
RE: RE: RE: Dolan is on with Carton and Roberts  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2023 5:38 pm : link
In comment 16016281 steve in ky said:
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Just caught the end here but I'm sure they'll post the whole interview later. Damage control, as usual.



Dolan doesn't come off badly in the interview. Even when I heard him years ago he didn't come off badly but the petty weird shit he pulls paints him in a bad light and it should.

He spends money and seems to butt out so I don't have an issue with him. I am not wearing an FU** Dolan T shirt to any games and I am not a lawyer...so I am safe.



After he stepped away from involving himself in the basketball operations when he relented it to Jackson, he basically said it was a relief and he realized he didn’t have the expertise to be that involved. The guy spends money and by all accounts for years now keeps an arms length from the process. If he a jerk in person, I don’t know him but it certainly sounds that way but he isn’t a problem as an owner these days.

Blaming him for everything wrong with the Knicks is just a popular take that a lot of people go to but I don’t believe he’s been a problem for years

+1
RE: Bulls want 2 unprotected 1sts for Caruso  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2023 6:27 pm : link
In comment 16015667 nygiants16 said:
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who do they think they are trading? haha


& I want to bed Jessica Alba. Both Chicago & I have the same odds of our hopes coming to fruition.

Chicago should blow it up though. And I'd fire Donovan while I'm @ it too.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2023 6:30 pm : link
Dolan has, from all accounts, stepped back. That's a good thing. The bad thing is he's still a complete prick who can't sell the team fast enough. He's an absolute embarrassment with the shit he pulls. & it's a fact that he's driven away stars with his buffoonery. If we had a sane owner, we'd have inked some big names over the years. Dolan is the reason a lot of stars don't want to come to New York. Hopefully his stepping back can changes this, but the perception of him-with the general public & probably within league circles-is baked into the cake, if you will.
Dolan decides who decides  
shyster : 1/27/2023 6:58 pm : link
even if he does not make those decisions himself.

It is Dolan who decides that Leon Rose and World Wide Wes make the player personnel decisions for the Knicks.

If, say, Danny Ainge were hired by Dolan to make those decisions, we would see a completely different approach to building a team.

To say Dolan doesn't matter because he has stepped back from making the player personnel decisions, as such, is to miss that point, entirely.
RE: Dolan decides who decides  
Semipro Lineman : 1/27/2023 8:14 pm : link
In comment 16016354 shyster said:
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even if he does not make those decisions himself.

It is Dolan who decides that Leon Rose and World Wide Wes make the player personnel decisions for the Knicks.

If, say, Danny Ainge were hired by Dolan to make those decisions, we would see a completely different approach to building a team.

To say Dolan doesn't matter because he has stepped back from making the player personnel decisions, as such, is to miss that point, entirely.


Counterpoint. The vast majority of complaints about Dolan state that he interferes with the basketball management which people point out is wrong. So stating that Dolan is responsible for the management isn't addressing the fact that the complaints about Dolan are usually wrong.

Also, let's be real here. Aigne has struck out more as a GM than he did as a 3rd baseman but everyone pretends he is a genius thanks to the gift from his former teammate Kevin McHale. A trade so lopsided that it got his ass fired as a decision maker and McHale eventually ended his post player career as a mediocre coach.

While it didn’t work out  
steve in ky : 1/27/2023 9:01 pm : link
A lot of people were excited about his hiring Jackson and general consensus was it was a good move. Perry was a solid basketball man with previous experience and also with Rose a lot of people were excited and complimented the choice .

It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks
Dolan has stepped back as much as any sports owner does  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/27/2023 9:08 pm : link
And that's all you can ask for. Yeah, he picked the GM, but if he leaves him alone to do his job that's exactly what you want.

RE: Dolan has stepped back as much as any sports owner does  
steve in ky : 1/27/2023 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16016438 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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And that's all you can ask for. Yeah, he picked the GM, but if he leaves him alone to do his job that's exactly what you want.


Yeah and all owners basically pick their GM’s unless you are named Jerry Jones
Dolan has backed off but shyster makes a good point.  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2023 9:25 pm : link
I’m concerned that Dolan dismisses any smart basketball execs who lay out plans for a true rebuild. Even during his interview the other day he said something to the effect of: “The Knicks are fine - we’re not one of the best teams in the league but we’re not one of the worst either.”

That appears to be all that matters to him: just make the team competitive enough to pack the Garden and keep fans from chanting “Sell The Team.”

I bet Phil Jackson and Leon Rose told him what he wanted to hear: I’ll keep your team competitive while we rebuild. It’s a sales pitch, not necessarily a real plan. But we’ll see if Leon can pull a rabbit out of his hat.
RE: Dolan has backed off but shyster makes a good point.  
steve in ky : 1/27/2023 9:32 pm : link
In comment 16016452 bceagle05 said:
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I’m concerned that Dolan dismisses any smart basketball execs who lay out plans for a true rebuild. Even during his interview the other day he said something to the effect of: “The Knicks are fine - we’re not one of the best teams in the league but we’re not one of the worst either.”

That appears to be all that matters to him: just make the team competitive enough to pack the Garden and keep fans from chanting “Sell The Team.”

I bet Phil Jackson and Leon Rose told him what he wanted to hear: I’ll keep your team competitive while we rebuild. It’s a sales pitch, not necessarily a real plan. But we’ll see if Leon can pull a rabbit out of his hat.


Of course that’s entirely all conjecture
Mostly conjecture  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2023 10:10 pm : link
but his quote is similar to things he said in the past about an “entertaining product.” I wish he would raise the bar a bit.
Just noticed the Cavs lost to OKC.  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2023 10:22 pm : link
Western Conference is crazy - seeds 4-13 are all separated by three games in the loss column.
RE: I watched a good part of the game yesterday  
Gogolak : 1/28/2023 6:28 am : link
In comment 16016113 arniefez said:
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including the entire 4th qtr. I don't watch the Knicks much but they were playing Boston who I sports hate and nothing else that interested me was on. I don't follow the NBA like all of you guys do. I barely know who the guys on the Knicks are. But IMO you don't need to follow the NBA to see that no team can win consistently playing the way the Knicks did in the last 5 minutes last night. You guys tell me, is the way Randle and Brunson played on offense at the end of the game on them on the coach or both? That was embarrassing to watch. Just hero street ball 1 on 5 with 4 guys standing around doing nothing but watching. That's a NBA end of the game half court offense? That games plays out the same way 10 times and IMO Boston wins 8 of them.


Passing normally stops when Randle gets the ball
OG  
Carl in CT : 1/28/2023 7:29 am : link
Let’s play this out. Some say here Obi and a couple firsts. That’s not all you are giving up. OG goes into the starting lineup. So that means Grimes minutes are also reduced as he is now on the second team. Can he, IQ and McBride play all together? That’s a small team. Then let’s look at the starting lineup. We are already not the greatest shooting team. RJB and OG are not spot up shooters. Also we don’t get anything from the #5 spot with Robinson and or Sims there. I don’t see it helping our team. Prove me wrong please. I would think RJB needs to go the other way leaving OBI on the second team. Not sure that’s what Toronto wants. Just my two cents.
RE: OG  
Mike in NJ : 1/28/2023 8:56 am : link
In comment 16016570 Carl in CT said:
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Let’s play this out. Some say here Obi and a couple firsts. That’s not all you are giving up. OG goes into the starting lineup. So that means Grimes minutes are also reduced as he is now on the second team. Can he, IQ and McBride play all together? That’s a small team. Then let’s look at the starting lineup. We are already not the greatest shooting team. RJB and OG are not spot up shooters. Also we don’t get anything from the #5 spot with Robinson and or Sims there. I don’t see it helping our team. Prove me wrong please. I would think RJB needs to go the other way leaving OBI on the second team. Not sure that’s what Toronto wants. Just my two cents.


I think OG makes a lot of sense if they are looking to send RJ out in a future trade. You slot OG into the starting small forward spot, and with a lineup of Brunson, Grimes, OG, Randle, Robinson, you have 3 plus defenders next to your all-star level offensive players. Slotting Anunoby into the lineup gives you a huge upgrade defensively, and is probably neutral or slightly upgraded offensively.

I know the common line of thought would be that RJ is the better offensive player, but if you look at the numbers you’re actually getting a guy with higher percentages across the board, most importantly, he’s been a better 3pt shooter than RJ for several years. He could slot into that 3rd option role with the starters pretty seamlessly, and actually would be a great fit in the minutes with the bench guys as well because he’s not going to try and dominate the ball on those lineups like RJ does. Frees up Quickley and Toppin (if he’s not in the deal) to do their thing.

OG is what we were all hoping Reddish would be, and at only 25 years old there is still room to grow. There’s a reason the asking price for him is rumored to be so high.
RE: OG  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2023 8:59 am : link
In comment 16016570 Carl in CT said:
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Let’s play this out. Some say here Obi and a couple firsts. That’s not all you are giving up. OG goes into the starting lineup. So that means Grimes minutes are also reduced as he is now on the second team. Can he, IQ and McBride play all together? That’s a small team. Then let’s look at the starting lineup. We are already not the greatest shooting team. RJB and OG are not spot up shooters. Also we don’t get anything from the #5 spot with Robinson and or Sims there. I don’t see it helping our team. Prove me wrong please. I would think RJB needs to go the other way leaving OBI on the second team. Not sure that’s what Toronto wants. Just my two cents.


First with the rotation: OG can play the 2/3/4 so he would probably start at the 2/3 next to Rj. Firet sub would remain Iq in for Rj, then Grimes in For OG, center in for center..Randle plays entire quarter, Mcbride in for Brunsonwith 2 minutes or so left..

You could even go 8 man rotstion because OG can play the backup 4 and take Mcbride out of the rotation or he gets a couple of minutes here and there. He is only getting 7 to 10 minutes anyway..Everyone cna get their minutes, Grimes minites would probably be cut down to 25 to 30.

I think eventually Rj would have to go, but with running a smaller rotation you will have more versatility and you can stagger the starters better. Thibs would have to decide though on closing lineups, that would be the toughest
RE: While it didn’t work out  
TyreeHelmet : 1/28/2023 9:23 am : link
In comment 16016429 steve in ky said:
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A lot of people were excited about his hiring Jackson and general consensus was it was a good move. Perry was a solid basketball man with previous experience and also with Rose a lot of people were excited and complimented the choice .

It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks


Not doubting people were excited about Jackson and Rose. But it’s crazy to think the last 3 people running the Knicks have had zero experience in a NBA front office. They had never built a team before and got the top job.

The next hire has to be an experienced NBA GM.
RE: RE: While it didn’t work out  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2023 9:29 am : link
In comment 16016603 TyreeHelmet said:
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A lot of people were excited about his hiring Jackson and general consensus was it was a good move. Perry was a solid basketball man with previous experience and also with Rose a lot of people were excited and complimented the choice .

It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks



Not doubting people were excited about Jackson and Rose. But it’s crazy to think the last 3 people running the Knicks have had zero experience in a NBA front office. They had never built a team before and got the top job.

The next hire has to be an experienced NBA GM.


While i agree, Rose has some really experienced people working in the Knicks front office
RE: RE: RE: While it didn’t work out  
Enzo : 1/28/2023 9:40 am : link
In comment 16016606 nygiants16 said:
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A lot of people were excited about his hiring Jackson and general consensus was it was a good move. Perry was a solid basketball man with previous experience and also with Rose a lot of people were excited and complimented the choice .

It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks



Not doubting people were excited about Jackson and Rose. But it’s crazy to think the last 3 people running the Knicks have had zero experience in a NBA front office. They had never built a team before and got the top job.

The next hire has to be an experienced NBA GM.



While i agree, Rose has some really experienced people working in the Knicks front office

Scott Perry sure has a lot of experience.....losing. Aller's background is managing the cap. The rest of the guys are glorified scouts, more or less.

Rosas is the guy who at least has a track record - but nobody outside the building seems to know exactly what he is or isn't responsible for. He's not even listed on the team's web page.



Walt Perrin ran the Jazz drafts  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2023 9:41 am : link
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Front office  
TyreeHelmet : 1/28/2023 10:58 am : link
Not saying they didn’t have experienced people under them- v certainly Rose does.

. What I am I saying is the last 3 people hired to run the Knicks had zero experience building an NBA team- Jackson, Mills, Rose. Grunwald and Perry were interim.

RE: RE: OG  
CornerStone246+17 : 1/28/2023 1:02 pm : link
In comment 16016593 nygiants16 said:
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Let’s play this out. Some say here Obi and a couple firsts. That’s not all you are giving up. OG goes into the starting lineup. So that means Grimes minutes are also reduced as he is now on the second team. Can he, IQ and McBride play all together? That’s a small team. Then let’s look at the starting lineup. We are already not the greatest shooting team. RJB and OG are not spot up shooters. Also we don’t get anything from the #5 spot with Robinson and or Sims there. I don’t see it helping our team. Prove me wrong please. I would think RJB needs to go the other way leaving OBI on the second team. Not sure that’s what Toronto wants. Just my two cents.



First with the rotation: OG can play the 2/3/4 so he would probably start at the 2/3 next to Rj. Firet sub would remain Iq in for Rj, then Grimes in For OG, center in for center..Randle plays entire quarter, Mcbride in for Brunsonwith 2 minutes or so left..

You could even go 8 man rotstion because OG can play the backup 4 and take Mcbride out of the rotation or he gets a couple of minutes here and there. He is only getting 7 to 10 minutes anyway..Everyone cna get their minutes, Grimes minites would probably be cut down to 25 to 30.

I think eventually Rj would have to go, but with running a smaller rotation you will have more versatility and you can stagger the starters better. Thibs would have to decide though on closing lineups, that would be the toughest


This. Lots of flexibility and OG is a perfect fit for Thibs style of defense . RJ probably goes in a subsequent move for the Superstar.
Myles Turner and Pacers  
bceagle05 : 1/28/2023 5:02 pm : link
agree to extension, per Woj. Bit of a surprise.
RE: Myles Turner and Pacers  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2023 5:34 pm : link
In comment 16016810 bceagle05 said:
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agree to extension, per Woj. Bit of a surprise.


It's an interesting contract that makes him happy in the short term and he remains super tradeable after this season. They just fronted him money for this year. After that it's 2/43m which might even be below-market and very is tradeable.
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