Big game tonight and a tough stretch looking forward.
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Ton of Knicks news being reported-
*According to Fred Katz of The Athletic, the Knicks have “decisively” turned down inquiries on reserve guard Miles McBride.
*Leaders in on-off plus/minus over the last 3 seasons:
1. Nikola Jokic (+13.2)
2. Joel Embiid (+11.5)
3. Immanuel Quickley (+11)
*Sources — Knicks willing to offer Obi Toppin and two first round picks as a starting point for Raptors’ OG Anunoby.
Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st
Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims
Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward
With that said and as good as Randle has been this year, he was pathetic on D last night in the 4th. He was lackadaisical getting on Tatum. Tatum just kept blowing by him. Thibs watched the starters lose a double digit lead in the 4th. The game never should have went to overtime. Every time Tatum was matched up on Randle it was an easy drive to the basket. I kept yelling to change it up. Put either RJ or Grimes on him. Grimes finally got on him like in the last possession in the 4th and helped us get to OT. That was the difference right there.
It is mind bottling (yes, reference to Chazz Michael Michaels) that Thibs is a defensive guy and our defense is so fuckin poor. He has one way of doing things. Look at Wink. All you hear from coaches is how Wink mixes shit up from game to game. Thibs does the same thing every year. We constantly collapse on D and leave wide open 3s. That was a huge reason for us blowing the lead in the 4th.
It was a great win. I didn't think we were going to pull that out. Hopefully this starts a winning streak for us. But we still need to see Thibs adjust to the current NBA.
Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st
Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims
Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward
yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..
The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..
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Difficult for teams the rest of the year
Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st
Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims
Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward
yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..
The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..
The problem is OG is going to cost a ton. So what are we willing to give up? Someone mentioned earlier Obi and two firsts. That’s not close to what it would take. After adding OG, those picks lose value. Toronto isn’t trading him for Obi and a couple of late 20’s picks. And we all know Leon isn’t comfortable giving up too many of his precious assets that he’s worked so hard to acquire…
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In comment 16015650 Knickstape said:
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Difficult for teams the rest of the year
Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st
Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims
Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward
yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..
The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..
The problem is OG is going to cost a ton. So what are we willing to give up? Someone mentioned earlier Obi and two firsts. That’s not close to what it would take. After adding OG, those picks lose value. Toronto isn’t trading him for Obi and a couple of late 20’s picks. And we all know Leon isn’t comfortable giving up too many of his precious assets that he’s worked so hard to acquire…
My guess a final deal would end up being Obi, Cam and Rose plus an unprotected and 2 protected for OG and cap filler..
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In comment 16015650 Knickstape said:
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Difficult for teams the rest of the year
Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st
Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims
Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward
yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..
The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..
The problem is OG is going to cost a ton. So what are we willing to give up? Someone mentioned earlier Obi and two firsts. That’s not close to what it would take. After adding OG, those picks lose value. Toronto isn’t trading him for Obi and a couple of late 20’s picks. And we all know Leon isn’t comfortable giving up too many of his precious assets that he’s worked so hard to acquire…
My guess a final deal would end up being Obi, Cam and Rose plus an unprotected and 2 protected for OG and cap filler..
You’re probably close but that’s likely the Knicks top offer. I can envision running into the same issue as with Mitchell and Toronto wanting one of Grimes/Quickley along with Obi and the three picks. They will have plenty of suitors and they are a very smart franchise. Rose trying to work a deal with a much more seasoned GM has a familiar feel to it, lol
All of there own 1sts
Dallas / pistons/ wizards /bucks protected picks
Obi iq grimes cam deuce as trade chips
A deal of obi and cam 2 protected picks and 1 unprotected would be reasonable and then you still have a ton of ammo to go acquire your star player.
If they want more than that. Then I’d steer clear of any og deal
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In comment 16015650 Knickstape said:
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Difficult for teams the rest of the year
Send obi and an unprotected and protected 1st
Brunson rj og Randle Mitch
Deuce Quick grimes hart/sims
Be fun to watch Og make life incredibly difficult for the Tatums browns Mitchell’s hardens and so on moving forward
yup 100% and OG can play the 2, 3 or 4, so he you can have a lineup to start the second and 4th quarters with Quickley, Mcbride, Grimes, OG, Sims or Hart..
The defense with that group would be amazing to watch..
The problem is OG is going to cost a ton. So what are we willing to give up? Someone mentioned earlier Obi and two firsts. That’s not close to what it would take. After adding OG, those picks lose value. Toronto isn’t trading him for Obi and a couple of late 20’s picks. And we all know Leon isn’t comfortable giving up too many of his precious assets that he’s worked so hard to acquire…
My guess a final deal would end up being Obi, Cam and Rose plus an unprotected and 2 protected for OG and cap filler..
You’re probably close but that’s likely the Knicks top offer. I can envision running into the same issue as with Mitchell and Toronto wanting one of Grimes/Quickley along with Obi and the three picks. They will have plenty of suitors and they are a very smart franchise. Rose trying to work a deal with a much more seasoned GM has a familiar feel to it, lol
Probably would ask for Grimes or Quick and i turn around and offer 2 unprotected picks and see if they bite, if they dont i move on to the next level down for a wing..
Knicks need to add a wing to either come off the bench or start and have Grimes come off the bench..
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He’s done it all season and again tonight.
When they are leading late in a game and want to use up the clock he lets the ball roll down the court before picking it up which of course something you do when behind and trying to conserve the clock.
Clock runs after a made basket until 2 minutes left
I’m pretty sure he’s done it with that time frame
i havnt paid to much attention to it, i know he did it a couple of times with the clock runing
He does it to conserve time on the shot clock. It doesn't start till the ball touches someone in bounds. This way you get near half court with no time coming off the SC.
Brunson has possibly the highest basketball IQ in the NBA.
For me the problem isn't teams starting out with an insane ask but it's the refusal to budge that is getting ridiculous. But I'm sure the Bulls can't afford to look bad in the morning pundit show if they trade the Bald Mamba for anything less than a major haul. I mean that's more important than taking a deal which helps your team and cap space
Mr 16,the president of the RJ fan club is on line 1...
he insists you give RJ some time,he is only 22-oh and he came up huge in crunch time last nite
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BUT OG deal then opens the Knicks up to offer Rj in a star deal and you could really go all in and have a contender.
Mr 16,the president of the RJ fan club is on line 1...
he insists you give RJ some time,he is only 22-oh and he came up huge in crunch time last nite
Its not that i want to give up on him, not at all, i just dont know his fit next to Brunson and Randle as the 3rd guy..Can he be effecient enough next 2 other big scorers..
You are and RJ will be hard to put in any deal for a star because they will be rebuilding and a poison pill 30 million dollars contract is not what a team will want.
Also your hate for RJ is not the same as the organization, he is a home grown talent that is 22 years old with strong work ethic that they expect to get better.
Grimes will move the bench if OG is traded for and if RJ and OG work out the remainder of the season that will be your lineup.
Grimes offensive liabilities are going to hold him back, he is only 22 and if he could develop a handle and some off the dribble moves he could be a heck of a player but right now he is not there
I am not hating on Rj by saying he may not fit next to Randle and Brunson, i dont understsnd why that is taken as hating..
But, while I like the concept of Quickley with the starters full time, I'm not sure that's best.
What grimes does off-ball in the starting lineup is sorely needed. The ball sticks a lot between Randle, Brunson, and RJ.
You NEED cutters and spacers, and he does that. It's a good fit to have his skillset out there
At the same time, Grimes would benefit offensively from playing with the second unit where he can take more shots.
14.6 PER
.77 WS/48
It's true he is "Thibs player" so he would get minutes. But why should knicks build a team around Thibs, who is not going to be the coach longterm?
I mean if they can get him cheap? Sure. He is a good defender. But I would not give up any of the young core guys for him.
14.6 PER
.77 WS/48
It's true he is "Thibs player" so he would get minutes. But why should knicks build a team around Thibs, who is not going to be the coach longterm?
I mean if they can get him cheap? Sure. He is a good defender. But I would not give up any of the young core guys for him.
Absolutely. There's such disconnect with the front office and Thibs.
14.6 PER
.77 WS/48
It's true he is "Thibs player" so he would get minutes. But why should knicks build a team around Thibs, who is not going to be the coach longterm?
I mean if they can get him cheap? Sure. He is a good defender. But I would not give up any of the young core guys for him.
My thoughts exactly, why do we want Grimes back on the bench? He’s got all the tools to where he may become a start player in his own right. Guys like him, Quick, Barrett all need to play and be allowed to progress instead of trading for someone that isn’t a star and would just steal their minutes
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think Thibs and Gallant were separated at birth.
Yup. Same type of coach. Both guys will bring structure and discipline the first season and have the team play over its head. But then slowly structure becomes rigidity.
But Knicks are still developing. So no problem with Thibs this year. He teaches young guys the fundamentals
yeah, Obi's really learning a lot.
Who is to blame? Maybe the dude just isn't that good.
Every other young player has gotten better or at least proven they can play in the NBA. Except for? Obi and Reddish.
Whenever I watch Obi the guy gets cooked on defense time and time again. Guys take him for a ride to the basket far too often. HE's an OK at best rebounder which is being kind. And he is a decent scorer who does his best work on spot up 3s and transition. Add it all up and you have a limited player who should NOT be playing big minutes if the team is trying to win and the player in front of him is named Julius Randle.
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BUT OG deal then opens the Knicks up to offer Rj in a star deal and you could really go all in and have a contender.
You are and RJ will be hard to put in any deal for a star because they will be rebuilding and a poison pill 30 million dollars contract is not what a team will want.
Also your hate for RJ is not the same as the organization, he is a home grown talent that is 22 years old with strong work ethic that they expect to get better.
Grimes will move the bench if OG is traded for and if RJ and OG work out the remainder of the season that will be your lineup.
Grimes offensive liabilities are going to hold him back, he is only 22 and if he could develop a handle and some off the dribble moves he could be a heck of a player but right now he is not there
NY16 love ya brother you self described as the RJ hater.
I get as frustrated as everyone about RJ but I don't think the organization feels the same as you and IMO they would move Grimes, Quickley Etc. Before RJ.
If we were talking about a 25 win team maybe you play him more. This team could win 48-50 if things break right. They are trying to avoid the play in. I know we poo-poo the ceiling of this team but the mgmt and HC want to win as many games as possible.
You would have to adjust against a few big teams but I love a 5 of Brunson, Grimes, RJ, Randle, Siakam.
Would Toppin, 2 unprotected 1sts, 3 protected plus salary filler make Toronto think?
He's a 28 year old all nba player who plays both ends... You can always try to upgrade from RJ too for the next star.
You would have to adjust against a few big teams but I love a 5 of Brunson, Grimes, RJ, Randle, Siakam.
Would Toppin, 2 unprotected 1sts, 3 protected plus salary filler make Toronto think?
He's a 28 year old all nba player who plays both ends... You can always try to upgrade from RJ too for the next star.
He plays PF and would clash with Randle.
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I know he would cost more and probably isn't available but hes the Raptor I would be targeting.
You would have to adjust against a few big teams but I love a 5 of Brunson, Grimes, RJ, Randle, Siakam.
Would Toppin, 2 unprotected 1sts, 3 protected plus salary filler make Toronto think?
He's a 28 year old all nba player who plays both ends... You can always try to upgrade from RJ too for the next star.
He plays PF and would clash with Randle.
You can’t play them together?
Dolan doesn't come off badly in the interview. Even when I heard him years ago he didn't come off badly but the petty weird shit he pulls paints him in a bad light and it should.
He spends money and seems to butt out so I don't have an issue with him. I am not wearing an FU** Dolan T shirt to any games and I am not a lawyer...so I am safe.
Of course, that would only be if Thibs would play him at either of those positions.
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Just caught the end here but I'm sure they'll post the whole interview later. Damage control, as usual.
Dolan doesn't come off badly in the interview. Even when I heard him years ago he didn't come off badly but the petty weird shit he pulls paints him in a bad light and it should.
He spends money and seems to butt out so I don't have an issue with him. I am not wearing an FU** Dolan T shirt to any games and I am not a lawyer...so I am safe.
After he stepped away from involving himself in the basketball operations when he relented it to Jackson, he basically said it was a relief and he realized he didn’t have the expertise to be that involved. The guy spends money and by all accounts for years now keeps an arms length from the process. If he a jerk in person, I don’t know him but it certainly sounds that way but he isn’t a problem as an owner these days.
Blaming him for everything wrong with the Knicks is just a popular take that a lot of people go to but I don’t believe he’s been a problem for years
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Just caught the end here but I'm sure they'll post the whole interview later. Damage control, as usual.
Dolan doesn't come off badly in the interview. Even when I heard him years ago he didn't come off badly but the petty weird shit he pulls paints him in a bad light and it should.
He spends money and seems to butt out so I don't have an issue with him. I am not wearing an FU** Dolan T shirt to any games and I am not a lawyer...so I am safe.
After he stepped away from involving himself in the basketball operations when he relented it to Jackson, he basically said it was a relief and he realized he didn’t have the expertise to be that involved. The guy spends money and by all accounts for years now keeps an arms length from the process. If he a jerk in person, I don’t know him but it certainly sounds that way but he isn’t a problem as an owner these days.
Blaming him for everything wrong with the Knicks is just a popular take that a lot of people go to but I don’t believe he’s been a problem for years
+1
& I want to bed Jessica Alba. Both Chicago & I have the same odds of our hopes coming to fruition.
Chicago should blow it up though. And I'd fire Donovan while I'm @ it too.
It is Dolan who decides that Leon Rose and World Wide Wes make the player personnel decisions for the Knicks.
If, say, Danny Ainge were hired by Dolan to make those decisions, we would see a completely different approach to building a team.
To say Dolan doesn't matter because he has stepped back from making the player personnel decisions, as such, is to miss that point, entirely.
It is Dolan who decides that Leon Rose and World Wide Wes make the player personnel decisions for the Knicks.
If, say, Danny Ainge were hired by Dolan to make those decisions, we would see a completely different approach to building a team.
To say Dolan doesn't matter because he has stepped back from making the player personnel decisions, as such, is to miss that point, entirely.
Counterpoint. The vast majority of complaints about Dolan state that he interferes with the basketball management which people point out is wrong. So stating that Dolan is responsible for the management isn't addressing the fact that the complaints about Dolan are usually wrong.
Also, let's be real here. Aigne has struck out more as a GM than he did as a 3rd baseman but everyone pretends he is a genius thanks to the gift from his former teammate Kevin McHale. A trade so lopsided that it got his ass fired as a decision maker and McHale eventually ended his post player career as a mediocre coach.
It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks
Yeah and all owners basically pick their GM’s unless you are named Jerry Jones
That appears to be all that matters to him: just make the team competitive enough to pack the Garden and keep fans from chanting “Sell The Team.”
I bet Phil Jackson and Leon Rose told him what he wanted to hear: I’ll keep your team competitive while we rebuild. It’s a sales pitch, not necessarily a real plan. But we’ll see if Leon can pull a rabbit out of his hat.
That appears to be all that matters to him: just make the team competitive enough to pack the Garden and keep fans from chanting “Sell The Team.”
I bet Phil Jackson and Leon Rose told him what he wanted to hear: I’ll keep your team competitive while we rebuild. It’s a sales pitch, not necessarily a real plan. But we’ll see if Leon can pull a rabbit out of his hat.
Of course that’s entirely all conjecture
Passing normally stops when Randle gets the ball