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larryflower37 : 1/26/2023 4:42 pm
Big game tonight and a tough stretch looking forward.
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Ton of Knicks news being reported-

*According to Fred Katz of The Athletic, the Knicks have “decisively” turned down inquiries on reserve guard Miles McBride.

*Leaders in on-off plus/minus over the last 3 seasons:
1. Nikola Jokic (+13.2)
2. Joel Embiid (+11.5)
3. Immanuel Quickley (+11)

*Sources — Knicks willing to offer Obi Toppin and two first round picks as a starting point for Raptors’ OG Anunoby.
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OG  
Carl in CT : 1/28/2023 7:29 am : link
Let’s play this out. Some say here Obi and a couple firsts. That’s not all you are giving up. OG goes into the starting lineup. So that means Grimes minutes are also reduced as he is now on the second team. Can he, IQ and McBride play all together? That’s a small team. Then let’s look at the starting lineup. We are already not the greatest shooting team. RJB and OG are not spot up shooters. Also we don’t get anything from the #5 spot with Robinson and or Sims there. I don’t see it helping our team. Prove me wrong please. I would think RJB needs to go the other way leaving OBI on the second team. Not sure that’s what Toronto wants. Just my two cents.
RE: OG  
Mike in NJ : 1/28/2023 8:56 am : link
In comment 16016570 Carl in CT said:
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Let’s play this out. Some say here Obi and a couple firsts. That’s not all you are giving up. OG goes into the starting lineup. So that means Grimes minutes are also reduced as he is now on the second team. Can he, IQ and McBride play all together? That’s a small team. Then let’s look at the starting lineup. We are already not the greatest shooting team. RJB and OG are not spot up shooters. Also we don’t get anything from the #5 spot with Robinson and or Sims there. I don’t see it helping our team. Prove me wrong please. I would think RJB needs to go the other way leaving OBI on the second team. Not sure that’s what Toronto wants. Just my two cents.


I think OG makes a lot of sense if they are looking to send RJ out in a future trade. You slot OG into the starting small forward spot, and with a lineup of Brunson, Grimes, OG, Randle, Robinson, you have 3 plus defenders next to your all-star level offensive players. Slotting Anunoby into the lineup gives you a huge upgrade defensively, and is probably neutral or slightly upgraded offensively.

I know the common line of thought would be that RJ is the better offensive player, but if you look at the numbers you’re actually getting a guy with higher percentages across the board, most importantly, he’s been a better 3pt shooter than RJ for several years. He could slot into that 3rd option role with the starters pretty seamlessly, and actually would be a great fit in the minutes with the bench guys as well because he’s not going to try and dominate the ball on those lineups like RJ does. Frees up Quickley and Toppin (if he’s not in the deal) to do their thing.

OG is what we were all hoping Reddish would be, and at only 25 years old there is still room to grow. There’s a reason the asking price for him is rumored to be so high.
RE: OG  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2023 8:59 am : link
In comment 16016570 Carl in CT said:
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Let’s play this out. Some say here Obi and a couple firsts. That’s not all you are giving up. OG goes into the starting lineup. So that means Grimes minutes are also reduced as he is now on the second team. Can he, IQ and McBride play all together? That’s a small team. Then let’s look at the starting lineup. We are already not the greatest shooting team. RJB and OG are not spot up shooters. Also we don’t get anything from the #5 spot with Robinson and or Sims there. I don’t see it helping our team. Prove me wrong please. I would think RJB needs to go the other way leaving OBI on the second team. Not sure that’s what Toronto wants. Just my two cents.


First with the rotation: OG can play the 2/3/4 so he would probably start at the 2/3 next to Rj. Firet sub would remain Iq in for Rj, then Grimes in For OG, center in for center..Randle plays entire quarter, Mcbride in for Brunsonwith 2 minutes or so left..

You could even go 8 man rotstion because OG can play the backup 4 and take Mcbride out of the rotation or he gets a couple of minutes here and there. He is only getting 7 to 10 minutes anyway..Everyone cna get their minutes, Grimes minites would probably be cut down to 25 to 30.

I think eventually Rj would have to go, but with running a smaller rotation you will have more versatility and you can stagger the starters better. Thibs would have to decide though on closing lineups, that would be the toughest
RE: While it didn’t work out  
TyreeHelmet : 1/28/2023 9:23 am : link
In comment 16016429 steve in ky said:
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A lot of people were excited about his hiring Jackson and general consensus was it was a good move. Perry was a solid basketball man with previous experience and also with Rose a lot of people were excited and complimented the choice .

It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks


Not doubting people were excited about Jackson and Rose. But it’s crazy to think the last 3 people running the Knicks have had zero experience in a NBA front office. They had never built a team before and got the top job.

The next hire has to be an experienced NBA GM.
RE: RE: While it didn’t work out  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2023 9:29 am : link
In comment 16016603 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 16016429 steve in ky said:


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A lot of people were excited about his hiring Jackson and general consensus was it was a good move. Perry was a solid basketball man with previous experience and also with Rose a lot of people were excited and complimented the choice .

It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks



Not doubting people were excited about Jackson and Rose. But it’s crazy to think the last 3 people running the Knicks have had zero experience in a NBA front office. They had never built a team before and got the top job.

The next hire has to be an experienced NBA GM.


While i agree, Rose has some really experienced people working in the Knicks front office
RE: RE: RE: While it didn’t work out  
Enzo : 1/28/2023 9:40 am : link
In comment 16016606 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16016603 TyreeHelmet said:


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In comment 16016429 steve in ky said:


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A lot of people were excited about his hiring Jackson and general consensus was it was a good move. Perry was a solid basketball man with previous experience and also with Rose a lot of people were excited and complimented the choice .

It’s not like he has been hiring laughing stocks



Not doubting people were excited about Jackson and Rose. But it’s crazy to think the last 3 people running the Knicks have had zero experience in a NBA front office. They had never built a team before and got the top job.

The next hire has to be an experienced NBA GM.



While i agree, Rose has some really experienced people working in the Knicks front office

Scott Perry sure has a lot of experience.....losing. Aller's background is managing the cap. The rest of the guys are glorified scouts, more or less.

Rosas is the guy who at least has a track record - but nobody outside the building seems to know exactly what he is or isn't responsible for. He's not even listed on the team's web page.



Walt Perrin ran the Jazz drafts  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2023 9:41 am : link
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Front office  
TyreeHelmet : 1/28/2023 10:58 am : link
Not saying they didn’t have experienced people under them- v certainly Rose does.

. What I am I saying is the last 3 people hired to run the Knicks had zero experience building an NBA team- Jackson, Mills, Rose. Grunwald and Perry were interim.

RE: RE: OG  
CornerStone246+17 : 1/28/2023 1:02 pm : link
In comment 16016593 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16016570 Carl in CT said:


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Let’s play this out. Some say here Obi and a couple firsts. That’s not all you are giving up. OG goes into the starting lineup. So that means Grimes minutes are also reduced as he is now on the second team. Can he, IQ and McBride play all together? That’s a small team. Then let’s look at the starting lineup. We are already not the greatest shooting team. RJB and OG are not spot up shooters. Also we don’t get anything from the #5 spot with Robinson and or Sims there. I don’t see it helping our team. Prove me wrong please. I would think RJB needs to go the other way leaving OBI on the second team. Not sure that’s what Toronto wants. Just my two cents.



First with the rotation: OG can play the 2/3/4 so he would probably start at the 2/3 next to Rj. Firet sub would remain Iq in for Rj, then Grimes in For OG, center in for center..Randle plays entire quarter, Mcbride in for Brunsonwith 2 minutes or so left..

You could even go 8 man rotstion because OG can play the backup 4 and take Mcbride out of the rotation or he gets a couple of minutes here and there. He is only getting 7 to 10 minutes anyway..Everyone cna get their minutes, Grimes minites would probably be cut down to 25 to 30.

I think eventually Rj would have to go, but with running a smaller rotation you will have more versatility and you can stagger the starters better. Thibs would have to decide though on closing lineups, that would be the toughest


This. Lots of flexibility and OG is a perfect fit for Thibs style of defense . RJ probably goes in a subsequent move for the Superstar.
Myles Turner and Pacers  
bceagle05 : 1/28/2023 5:02 pm : link
agree to extension, per Woj. Bit of a surprise.
RE: Myles Turner and Pacers  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2023 5:34 pm : link
In comment 16016810 bceagle05 said:
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agree to extension, per Woj. Bit of a surprise.


It's an interesting contract that makes him happy in the short term and he remains super tradeable after this season. They just fronted him money for this year. After that it's 2/43m which might even be below-market and very is tradeable.
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