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IMO he could turn in to a Metcalf type player.
Big, fast, good hands, physical

6'4", 210+, 4.4 in the 40 yd dash

I said the same on another thread earlier. This may be the year to package up some picks and move up to get a playmaker. Johnston looks like a hell of a prospect. My guess is he starts shooting up draft boards in late March.

Rather trade out of first to grab an xtra 2 & 3 plus maybe a #2 next yr
Then package a 5 and 6 for a 4. Would Love having 7 picks from pick 40-125
We can fill in tons of gaps on defense plus add to Oline and wr. Maybe TE too

I'd stay put and pick the guard on that list
IOL O'CYRUS TORRENCE, FLORIDA
Heres what they are saying about him:
an absolute mauler in the run game; He’s a mauler who regularly imposes his will on defenders; Torrence is a high-motor offensive lineman that plays through the whistle and works to finish defenders.

In comment 16015444 gogiants said:

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I'd stay put and pick the guard on that list IOL O'CYRUS TORRENCE, FLORIDA Heres what they are saying about him: an absolute mauler in the run game; He’s a mauler who regularly imposes his will on defenders; Torrence is a high-motor offensive lineman that plays through the whistle and works to finish defenders.

I remember reading this about Will Hernandez a few years back.

We have an opportunity to get the top guy aat one of those 2 much needed positions
We have capital....

In comment 16015449 eric2425ny said:

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In comment 16015444 gogiants said: Quote: I'd stay put and pick the guard on that list IOL O'CYRUS TORRENCE, FLORIDA Heres what they are saying about him: an absolute mauler in the run game; He’s a mauler who regularly imposes his will on defenders; Torrence is a high-motor offensive lineman that plays through the whistle and works to finish defenders. I remember reading this about Will Hernandez a few years back.

Hahahaja
I was thinking the same thing

In comment 16015449 eric2425ny said:

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In comment 16015444 gogiants said: Quote: I remember reading this about Will Hernandez a few years back.

The reports on Quenton Nelson were pretty spot on.

In comment 16015451 AG5686 said:

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We have an opportunity to get the top guy aat one of those 2 much needed positions We have capital....

We need so much more
ILB, a real DE, IOL and a rotational DT
Possibly find some in mid rds
It’s a two yr retooling

In comment 16015518 Payasdaddy said:

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In comment 16015451 AG5686 said: Quote: We have an opportunity to get the top guy aat one of those 2 much needed positions We have capital.... We need so much more ILB, a real DE, IOL and a rotational DT Possibly find some in mid rds It’s a two yr retooling

If QJ is available and there's a way to get it done I would
You are of course correct there are alot of holes but none more glaring then WR
Plus he fits the need of a big body in that room
I pull that trigger

We are going to hit on 9 players? If there is a difference maker with in reach, you go get him. Use some draft capital. You cannot sit there and wait for some guys to come to you. Philly did it to us with Smith. Just like if Tee Higgins was available for a first rounder. Go make the trade. If there a better player out there when we would pick that a proven commodity like Higgins?

In comment 16015399 PatersonPlank said:

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IMO he could turn in to a Metcalf type player. Big, fast, good hands, physical 6'4", 210+, 4.4 in the 40 yd dash

I know that a different person or people shouldn't be the comparison but WRs from TCU give me pause. I'm not saying he won't be good. It's just the history makes me hesitant.

This team has too many positions that need to be upgraded.
Value will be available at 25 most likely at center/guard, CB, MLB, WR.
Just need to draft well with all our picks

In comment 16015553 3rdnlong said:

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We are going to hit on 9 players? If there is a difference maker with in reach, you go get him. Use some draft capital. You cannot sit there and wait for some guys to come to you. Philly did it to us with Smith. Just like if Tee Higgins was available for a first rounder. Go make the trade. If there a better player out there when we would pick that a proven commodity like Higgins?

Philly is in a way different position than us. They are littered with talent so they can take those chances. Trading for AJ Brown made a ton of sense for them. If that same trade was available for us this offseason, I wouldn't take it. We have way too many holes to fill and trading away multiple picks and/or using a good chunk of cap space isn't going to improve us much. Look at a team like Vegas. Everyone loved them getting Adams. It was a bad move for their team, not because Adams isn't a great player but because they needed so much more. Giving away their picks and cap space was not smart. Philly giving aways their pick and cap space was.

In comment 16015451 AG5686 said:

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We have an opportunity to get the top guy aat one of those 2 much needed positions We have capital....

And if we use capital to get the top guy at one of those positions then we won't get to pick someone at the other position (or any other position) until near the end of round 3. One guy isn't going to do it.

would cost a hell of a lot of "draft capital," not just a few of our extra late round picks.

In comment 16015506 gogiants said:

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In comment 16015449 eric2425ny said: Quote: In comment 16015444 gogiants said: Quote: I remember reading this about Will Hernandez a few years back. The reports on Quenton Nelson were pretty spot on.

You're seriously comparing the predictions on the potential of a guy who everyone thought was a top 5 or 6 pick to the potential of a guy expected to go at the end of round one or start of round 2, and a guy who was actually picked near the start of round 2?

BBI seriously overrated draft picks

Eagles trade #18 trey burks for AJ brown. Unless you’re a 3 win team this is a good move. Giants were in the fucking playoffs. Enough already, we aren’t a poverty ass team. Bring back our guys and you absolutely trade #25 for Higgins. He changes our offense BIG time day 1

It’s pathetic how some BBIers keep saying we are 3 years away. I don’t buy that. Things change fast in the nfl landscape. The giants have some talent and you keep adding talent. #25 is an easy decision for Higgins if it came up. We aren’t “one” price away I know. Personally that’s bullshit you’re never one piece away. The goal should always be improve the roster. What improves is more a rookie who may work out for a proven 1000 yard wr?

We’re a team building a roster not looking for one player. There will be talent at 25 and getting four picks in the top 100 is what this roster needs not two top 100 picks to move up to 15 or whatever.

Especially when there is something available that is a huge need.
If we can get a WR1 or CB1 I say do it

In comment 16015399 PatersonPlank said:
[quote] IMO he could turn in to a Metcalf type player.
Big, fast, good hands, physical

6'4", 210+, 4.4 in the 40 yd dash [/quot


I hope I’m wrong but I see Kevin White first round bust of Chicago Bears in him. I hope he more of a Herman Moore/ Charles Johnson.

For a man his size he does a lot of body catching and doesn’t seem to high point the ball
Gimme zay flowers / smith njigba

Doesn't matter where they pick, the Talent ends right before their pick.

LOL

stay put

In comment 16015576 k2tampa said:

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In comment 16015506 gogiants said: Quote: In comment 16015449 eric2425ny said: Quote: In comment 16015444 gogiants said: Quote: I remember reading this about Will Hernandez a few years back. The reports on Quenton Nelson were pretty spot on. You're seriously comparing the predictions on the potential of a guy who everyone thought was a top 5 or 6 pick to the potential of a guy expected to go at the end of round one or start of round 2, and a guy who was actually picked near the start of round 2?

His point is that it’s incredibly stupid and amateurish to dismiss a player because Will Hernandez didn’t work out. There are also tons of players with the same type of profile that DID work out. No player on the planet has anything to do with Hernandez. They are all their own player.

But I’m guessing you knew exactly what his point was and decided to ignore it for the sake of argument anyways….

This is where we lost games this year. The eagles just ran for 238 yards against us. Drafting a receiver doesn't fix that. For that matter drafting a cb won't fix that.

Engram, Beckham, apple, the other cb,

Eagles just laugh at us and kick our asses in the trenches.

Their are going to be very good players available where we draft . We have so positions that need upgrade. Take BPA that will also address a need.

I remmeber watching him a ton two season ago and he always seemed to be dropping passes. This is actually a deep draft class. You know who would be awesome? Check out Darnell Washington. Pairing him with Bellinger in 2 TE sets would be fuckin awesome. Our run game would take off and they provide enough in the passing game to take advantage of if teams bring in more front 7 guys. It is such a mismatch. Washington destroys people in the run game, even DL. You can pound the rock until defenses adjust. When they bring in bigger personnel, then you can adjust by passing it on them. The guy is a fuckin behemoth. You are talking about a legit red zone target in the passing game and a guy that can punish people when he gets the ball in his hands in space. I just love his willingness to block. I'd be very happy with him in the 2nd if he's still there. Obviously it depends on who else is available.

were coming off a 9-8 season, and got clobbered in the wild card round. How on earth were they in a different position than the Giants are right now?

We need difference makers, not guys that plug holes...

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were coming off a 9-8 season, and got clobbered in the wild card round. How on earth were they in a different position than the Giants are right now? We need difference makers, not guys that plug holes...

Are you serious? Look at their roster and look at our roster.

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In comment 16015449 eric2425ny said: Quote: In comment 16015444 gogiants said: Quote: I remember reading this about Will Hernandez a few years back. The reports on Quenton Nelson were pretty spot on.

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Yes, and Nelson is the key to the Colts awesomely powerful offense. /s
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In comment 16015644 kelly said:

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This is where we lost games this year. The eagles just ran for 238 yards against us. Drafting a receiver doesn't fix that. For that matter drafting a cb won't fix that. Engram, Beckham, apple, the other cb, Eagles just laugh at us and kick our asses in the trenches.

Yeah i think they have to plan that. Maybe get help there in FA as well.

it looks like the Giants are going to miss any impact WRs in this draft IMO. Makes it even more imperative that the Giants trade for a WR1 in my eyes.

Draft Drew Sanders

In comment 16015644 kelly said:

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This is where we lost games this year. The eagles just ran for 238 yards against us. Drafting a receiver doesn't fix that. For that matter drafting a cb won't fix that. Engram, Beckham, apple, the other cb, Eagles just laugh at us and kick our asses in the trenches.

Thank you so many want corners it’s insane to me that position is only as good as the pass rush and run defense that is in front of them. Same with WR, we will find guys that can get open and hold onto the ball if the line will hold their blocks. Those positions are the icing on the cake and the last peaces to the puzzle

In comment 16015754 JerrysKids said:

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In comment 16015644 kelly said: Quote: This is where we lost games this year. The eagles just ran for 238 yards against us. Drafting a receiver doesn't fix that. For that matter drafting a cb won't fix that. Engram, Beckham, apple, the other cb, Eagles just laugh at us and kick our asses in the trenches. Thank you so many want corners it’s insane to me that position is only as good as the pass rush and run defense that is in front of them. Same with WR, we will find guys that can get open and hold onto the ball if the line will hold their blocks. Those positions are the icing on the cake and the last peaces to the puzzle

Wink will probably want a cornerback for his defense since it relies on man-cover corners to clamp down on the receivers.

In comment 16015756 Angel Eyes said:

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In comment 16015754 JerrysKids said: Quote: In comment 16015644 kelly said: Quote: This is where we lost games this year. The eagles just ran for 238 yards against us. Drafting a receiver doesn't fix that. For that matter drafting a cb won't fix that. Engram, Beckham, apple, the other cb, Eagles just laugh at us and kick our asses in the trenches. Thank you so many want corners it’s insane to me that position is only as good as the pass rush and run defense that is in front of them. Same with WR, we will find guys that can get open and hold onto the ball if the line will hold their blocks. Those positions are the icing on the cake and the last peaces to the puzzle Wink will probably want a cornerback for his defense since it relies on man-cover corners to clamp down on the receivers.

I'm sure wink would be thrilled to get a ILB that can stuff the run, disrupt the passing game between the pipes and be a effective blitzer. Our secondary isn't all world but played pretty well considering we really didn't have a great pass rush. Do we ever want to see what Philly did to us again over 250 yards rushing in both blowouts? If we keep ignoring the value of the Inside Linebacker it will continue to happen.

In comment 16015777 JerrysKids said:

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In comment 16015756 Angel Eyes said: Quote: In comment 16015754 JerrysKids said: Quote: In comment 16015644 kelly said: Quote: This is where we lost games this year. The eagles just ran for 238 yards against us. Drafting a receiver doesn't fix that. For that matter drafting a cb won't fix that. Engram, Beckham, apple, the other cb, Eagles just laugh at us and kick our asses in the trenches. Thank you so many want corners it’s insane to me that position is only as good as the pass rush and run defense that is in front of them. Same with WR, we will find guys that can get open and hold onto the ball if the line will hold their blocks. Those positions are the icing on the cake and the last peaces to the puzzle Wink will probably want a cornerback for his defense since it relies on man-cover corners to clamp down on the receivers. I'm sure wink would be thrilled to get a ILB that can stuff the run, disrupt the passing game between the pipes and be a effective blitzer. Our secondary isn't all world but played pretty well considering we really didn't have a great pass rush. Do we ever want to see what Philly did to us again over 250 yards rushing in both blowouts? If we keep ignoring the value of the Inside Linebacker it will continue to happen.

I don't doubt that he'd be thrilled, it's what he places his emphasis on. Linebackers in Wink's schemes tended to be more two-down thumpers who were also good at the blitz.

In comment 16015739 Doubledeuce22 said:

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it looks like the Giants are going to miss any impact WRs in this draft IMO. Makes it even more imperative that the Giants trade for a WR1 in my eyes.

You are seeing what I see,which was the reason for the OP.
If and that is IF,we have a chance to trade up and snag WR1.
We should do it- I really don't want the 4th best WR at #25.
This is a passing league now,so we need CBs and WR first and foremost,especially in Wink's D

In comment 16015797 AG5686 said:

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In comment 16015739 Doubledeuce22 said: Quote: it looks like the Giants are going to miss any impact WRs in this draft IMO. Makes it even more imperative that the Giants trade for a WR1 in my eyes. You are seeing what I see,which was the reason for the OP. If and that is IF,we have a chance to trade up and snag WR1. We should do it- I really don't want the 4th best WR at #25. This is a passing league now,so we need CBs and WR first and foremost,especially in Wink's D

I would prefer to trade the pick for a Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman at that point. Trading up for a WR in the draft carries too much of a risk for me when you know what you're getting with these guys.

Johnson will likely be a top 10 pick. As Double said above, I would rather acquire Tee Higgins, who is only 25, posted a 1000 yard season this year playing WITH J. Chase. He's 6-4 210 and fast. If you can get him, its a no brainer.

In comment 16015899 Dave on the UWS said:

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Johnson will likely be a top 10 pick. As Double said above, I would rather acquire Tee Higgins, who is only 25, posted a 1000 yard season this year playing WITH J. Chase. He's 6-4 210 and fast. If you can get him, its a no brainer.

Is Higgins a UFA? How can we get him?

In comment 16015899 Dave on the UWS said:

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Johnson will likely be a top 10 pick. As Double said above, I would rather acquire Tee Higgins, who is only 25, posted a 1000 yard season this year playing WITH J. Chase. He's 6-4 210 and fast. If you can get him, its a no brainer.

Tee Higgins will for sure be there at 25
From what I see with QJ,he has been mocked now as high as #9 to Seattle...
Maybe unattainable...

In comment 16015580 BleedBlue said:

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BBI seriously overrated draft picks Eagles trade #18 trey burks for AJ brown. Unless you’re a 3 win team this is a good move. Giants were in the fucking playoffs. Enough already, we aren’t a poverty ass team. Bring back our guys and you absolutely trade #25 for Higgins. He changes our offense BIG time day 1 It’s pathetic how some BBIers keep saying we are 3 years away. I don’t buy that. Things change fast in the nfl landscape. The giants have some talent and you keep adding talent. #25 is an easy decision for Higgins if it came up. We aren’t “one” price away I know. Personally that’s bullshit you’re never one piece away. The goal should always be improve the roster. What improves is more a rookie who may work out for a proven 1000 yard wr?

Agree it’s getting annoying hearing how bad this roster is. There are holes and yes we aren’t in the elite class yet, but there’s a lot of good talent on this team. You don’t get to and win a playoff game by accident.

You upgrade 3-4 positions in a big way the giants will be trouble next season. There will be little to no atrophy. Another year same staff. We were far away in 2020. Not anymore especially if we can have a plus offseason. Don’t be stupid and throw good money after bad, but definitely go get it.

Seems to be a great fit at LB,sideline to sideline speed.He even is quick enough to cover slot receivers should the situation call for it.
He likely will be available at #25

In comment 16015899 Dave on the UWS said:

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Johnson will likely be a top 10 pick. As Double said above, I would rather acquire Tee Higgins, who is only 25, posted a 1000 yard season this year playing WITH J. Chase. He's 6-4 210 and fast. If you can get him, its a no brainer.

Was Quenton Johnson hurt in the Championship game versus Georgia?

In comment 16016610 chick310 said:

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In comment 16015899 Dave on the UWS said: Quote: Johnson will likely be a top 10 pick. As Double said above, I would rather acquire Tee Higgins, who is only 25, posted a 1000 yard season this year playing WITH J. Chase. He's 6-4 210 and fast. If you can get him, its a no brainer. Was Quenton Johnson hurt in the Championship game versus Georgia?

I don't think so

In comment 16015580 BleedBlue said:

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BBI seriously overrated draft picks Eagles trade #18 trey burks for AJ brown. Unless you’re a 3 win team this is a good move. Giants were in the fucking playoffs. Enough already, we aren’t a poverty ass team. Bring back our guys and you absolutely trade #25 for Higgins. He changes our offense BIG time day 1 It’s pathetic how some BBIers keep saying we are 3 years away. I don’t buy that. Things change fast in the nfl landscape. The giants have some talent and you keep adding talent. #25 is an easy decision for Higgins if it came up. We aren’t “one” price away I know. Personally that’s bullshit you’re never one piece away. The goal should always be improve the roster. What improves is more a rookie who may work out for a proven 1000 yard wr?

Eagles were a 4 win team in 2020. In 2021 they got blown out by Tampa in the playoffs as a fringe playoff team. They traded away a 1st+ for a WR1, signed a M2M boundary cover corner added depth across the DL and the roster.

NYG is very much in the same position as they were last offseason. NYG has the ability to be as aggressive as they were. It worked out marvelously for them and it could for the Giants too if JS makes the right moves.