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Hypothetical: Would you trade #25 for Trey Lance if...

RomanWH : 1/27/2023 11:51 am
the front office and DJ's reps can't come to an agreement?

Let's say for sake of argument, we tag Daniel and contract negotiations occur but we're very far apart. Instead of him playing on the tag, he threatens to hold out. The front office then trades him to a QB needy team like Carolina and we recoup some picks.

Would you consider exploring a trade for Trey Lance for our first rounder? If not, what do you think his realistic trade value is?

NOTE: this is not a DJ thread but rather trying to get a sense of the perceived value of Trey Lance.
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ryanmkeane : 1/27/2023 11:52 am : link
if Schoen/Daboll thought he was the goods, and they decided to let Jones walk, then sure by all means
Not sure I'd trade my current first  
Hades07 : 1/27/2023 11:53 am : link
for someone else's failed first.

But I'd defer to the people making these decisions.
absolutely not  
KDavies : 1/27/2023 11:54 am : link
he has not shown remotely enough to warrant giving up a 1st round pick. Rosen was traded a year after he was drafted for a 2nd rounder.
although in limited play  
KDavies : 1/27/2023 11:56 am : link
he didn't even complete half of his passes last year, with much better offensive skill position players than the Giants
I don't think a first would be the market on this  
bigbluehoya : 1/27/2023 11:58 am : link
for an unproven player coming off of a significant injury. A mobile QB / ankle injury to boot.

My offer would be a 2023 3rd and a 2022 2nd.

Not saying they would accept that.
No  
AG5686 : 1/27/2023 12:03 pm : link
Not enuf Data or evidence to justify it
RE: I don't think a first would be the market on this  
John in Loudoun : 1/27/2023 12:04 pm : link
In comment 16015871 bigbluehoya said:
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for an unproven player coming off of a significant injury. A mobile QB / ankle injury to boot.

My offer would be a 2023 3rd and a 2022 2nd.

Not saying they would accept that.


probably not the 2022 2nd.
I don't think so  
Johnny5 : 1/27/2023 12:06 pm : link
I'm not sold on him, plus the injury. I guess if Schoen/Daboll wanted him, I would be skeptical, but I wouldn't complain too loudly. They have earned my trust at this point.
I never understood the allure of him to begin with  
islander1 : 1/27/2023 12:17 pm : link
and thought SF was insane to draft him that early.
No way  
Sean : 1/27/2023 12:21 pm : link
Lance does not warrant a first round pick. He’s barely played and barely played in college too. I’d offer a 4th in that scenario.
If Daboll was in love with him then I'd consider it  
Producer : 1/27/2023 12:22 pm : link
but would try to get him for less, a 2nd maybe.
Save that 1st round pick  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/27/2023 12:48 pm : link
and next years for Malik Willis.
RE: No way  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/27/2023 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16015903 Sean said:
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Lance does not warrant a first round pick. He’s barely played and barely played in college too. I’d offer a 4th in that scenario.


At least he got to learn for a year behind a veteran coach and veteran QB unlike the Jets.

Right before his injury last year Lance looked overall real bad to me.
Why?  
George from PA : 1/27/2023 12:59 pm : link
Makes no sense to me
Lance is a lot like...  
bw in dc : 1/27/2023 1:04 pm : link
Jones with his size and running ability. Legit dual threat skills. Probably a more dynamic overall athletic than Jones, but not by much.

Passing-wise, Lance has a better arm than Jones, but less accuracy than Jones.

So, you'd be trying to acquire the better arm talent, but realizing you have to work in the accuracy.

There just isn't enough data that would convince me to cough up #25 for Lance.



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Banks : 1/27/2023 1:26 pm : link
The development of qbs anymore is a mystery to me. Maybe he becomes the goods, but I'm not betting a first rounder on it. The fact that Purdy came in and out produced Jimmy G let alone Lance makes me more hesitant.
wouldnt trade pick 250  
Dankbeerman : 1/27/2023 1:39 pm : link
for a run first QB who has barely played in 3 plus years and rehabing an torn ACl.
RE: .  
Johnny5 : 1/27/2023 1:47 pm : link
In comment 16015988 Banks said:
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The development of qbs anymore is a mystery to me. Maybe he becomes the goods, but I'm not betting a first rounder on it. The fact that Purdy came in and out produced Jimmy G let alone Lance makes me more hesitant.

I know it's crazy right? I thought they were toast when Purdy took over. When I watch Purdy, he looks to me a lot like Heineke... though. I'm not sold on him, but he shockingly does seem to be a better fit than Garoppolo. He's sneaky decent and has a ridiculous team around him. And good coaching. I think that says more about Jimmy G than Purdy though.
No imv Lance was overrated and overdrafted  
Rick in Dallas : 1/27/2023 1:49 pm : link
Keep number 25 and draft BPA
LOL  
ZogZerg : 1/27/2023 2:02 pm : link
First two games this year comparison:

15 comp/31 Attempts - 48.4% completion - o td, 1 int

Brock Purdy, last pick in draft, first 2 games

37/55 - 67.2% completion, 5 TDs 1 int

And you want to trade for that? LOL
RE: LOL  
RomanWH : 1/27/2023 2:53 pm : link
In comment 16016047 ZogZerg said:
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First two games this year comparison:

15 comp/31 Attempts - 48.4% completion - o td, 1 int

Brock Purdy, last pick in draft, first 2 games

37/55 - 67.2% completion, 5 TDs 1 int

And you want to trade for that? LOL


All due respect, but if DJ goes elsewhere, then yeah it's worth exploring. Question was what is his realistic trade value. Here's what Sy had to say about him:

Trey Lance / North Dakota State / 6’4-224

Grade: 79

Summary: Third year sophomore Marshall, Minnesota. One-year starter that lost nearly the entire 2020 season to the Covid-19 pandemic, as North Dakota State played in just one game. In his one season as a starter, Lance won the Walter Payton Award (top player in FCS), the Jerry Rice Award (top FCS freshman), and the Missouri Athletic Conference Offensive Player of the Year Award. He led the Bison to a National Championship while going the entire year without throwing an interception. Lance is the definition of a risky draft pick. He lacks starting experience, and he didn’t have to throw the ball a ton. There is so much unknown here, but nobody can argue against what he actually put out there when on the field. Lance has an ideal blend of tools and showed really good intelligence. He is advanced on multiple ball handling tactics and his footwork looks natural and easy. Lance has the upside to be one of the best players in this class and he plays the ultimate position. The question will be just how big of a learning and adjustment curve will it be for him, coming from FCS and playing in just one game since the end of the 2019 season.

*Lance is going in the top 10, I think. I won’t dismiss it or “criticize” that at all. This has been such a unique year when it comes to the college football season and scouting process. With the information had (mostly tape), this is the conclusion I came up with. Lance is a really attractive prospect that has a lot of tools. But a QB that played this-little in college, at a lower level mind you, would scare the crap out of me if I am taking him to lead my franchise. Now, a team like SF has extra access to the guy that trained him over the past month and there were multiple Pro Days. Lance has attractive tape on multiple levels, I just didn’t see enough. Highest risk-reward ratio of all the QBs in the draft by far.


Lance is still just 22 years old and has a ton of untapped potential. If he were in this year's draft class, I'd wonder how he'd stack up against the other QBs, most notably someone like Anthony Richardson who some have projected going off the board around the 25th pick.
What has Lance  
Gman11 : 1/27/2023 3:11 pm : link
done in NFL other than get injured?
No  
jeff57 : 1/27/2023 3:30 pm : link
.
If not SF  
Carl in CT : 1/27/2023 3:33 pm : link
It wouldn’t have surprised me if he went to Nee England, end of the first round, or into the second.
HELL no!!!  
John In CO : 1/27/2023 3:55 pm : link
That would be stupid. Need to see SOMETHING out of him before doing that!

This reminds me of the "now would be a GREAT time to go get Josh Rosen for as little as a 2nd round pick!!!" posts from a few years ago.
He basically hasn't played since 2019  
JonC : 1/27/2023 3:58 pm : link
and he's an FCS prospect, to throw in an additional risk. No thanks.
I can't believe that Trey Lance  
Dnew15 : 1/27/2023 4:20 pm : link
is only 22.

It feels like he was drafted an eternity ago.
RE: He basically hasn't played since 2019  
bradshaw44 : 1/27/2023 5:00 pm : link
In comment 16016173 JonC said:
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and he's an FCS prospect, to throw in an additional risk. No thanks.


This. And prior to Lance getting hurt he didn’t show one iota the level of play that the last pick of the draft has shown. I would be upset. Until proven wrong.
The Rookie deal advantage  
upnyg : 1/27/2023 7:50 pm : link
is 1/2 lost with him. Might as well sign and trade Jones to Carolina instead and pick Will Levis.

The time these guys figure it out they are finishing up their Rookie contract.
RE: Save that 1st round pick  
dancing blue bear : 1/27/2023 8:30 pm : link
In comment 16015942 Spiciest Memelord said:
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and next years for Malik Willis.


You think 2 1sts get it done for Willis? Not if we are picking in the 20s. Maybe 2 top 10 picks.
Hell no.  
Matt M. : 1/27/2023 8:53 pm : link
Nothing special and coming off a bad injury.
Nope, never showed he can do anything.  
PatersonPlank : 1/27/2023 8:55 pm : link
I'd rather roll with Tyrod if I had too
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