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Rate Schoen's 2022 draft picks minus Thibodeaux and Neal

I Love Clams Casino : 1/27/2023 12:06 pm
The reason I say take them out is because is you have to admit, that almost anybody given the Giants situation would have made the same picks, especially after the Carolina pick.

Those picks are as follows:

2nd, 43 overall - Wan'Dale Robinson
3rd, 67 Joshua Ezeudu
3rd, 81 Cordale Flott
4th, 112 Daniel Bellinger
4th, 119 Dane Belton
5th, 146 Micah McFadden
5th, 147 DJ Davidson
5th, 173 Marcus McKethan
6th, 182 Darrian Beavers

Given Schoen's free-agent signings, it seems evident that Free agents signed (who I believe could have been signed by any team) had more impact than the draft picks. Glowinski, R. James, Landon Collins, Hodgins, etc.

Would’ve went  
Straw Hat : 1/27/2023 12:09 pm : link
George Pickens over wandale, but get why we passed with the injury and character questions. The rest of the draft has a nice ceiling in my opinion. Happy with it. Solid B.
Bellinger borders on starting quality  
Bill in UT : 1/27/2023 12:11 pm : link
McFadden, Belton and Davidson will probably be backups. Robinson and Flott weren't healthy enough to tell. Book is still open on how good Ezeudu will be. The others were all injured, so who knows
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OBJ_AllDay : 1/27/2023 12:11 pm : link
2nd, 43 overall - Wan'Dale Robinson - Shown he can be a player
3rd, 67 Joshua Ezeudu - like his potential
3rd, 81 Cordale Flott - loved by this staff. Starter next year
4th, 112 Daniel Bellinger - tough kid, a number of big plays this year
4th, 119 Dane Belton - solid moments this year with a few interceptions

I like the top of this draft a lot. I'd like to see massive jumps from Thibodeaux and Neal next year.

solid B  
Eric on Li : 1/27/2023 12:29 pm : link
Wandale, Bellinger, Flott, davidson were picks i especially like. I wasnt too familiar with wandale pre-draft and initially preferred other wrs, but he looked to really be turning it on before the injury.

davidson flott and bellinger to me look like they will never be elite but are just solid players who will play a lot of snaps and fill specific roles well.

mcfadden belton and ezeudu flashed but we'll see. they each have some glaring issues that need to be fixed but they have some interesting tools too.
1st draft was ok I guess ....  
MotownGIANTS : 1/27/2023 12:32 pm : link
2nd, 43 overall - Wan'Dale Robinson - INC (C+)
3rd, 67 Joshua Ezeudu - C-
3rd, 81 Cordale Flott - B
4th, 112 Daniel Bellinger - B
4th, 119 Dane Belton - C
5th, 146 Micah McFadden - C
5th, 147 DJ Davidson - INC (C+)
5th, 173 Marcus McKethan - INC
6th, 182 Darrian Beavers - INC
It's too early to tell  
crackerjack465 : 1/27/2023 12:33 pm : link
but for fun, I'll say B.

Nobody really played bad enough that I would say that they will be complete non factors.

Some guys I think are trending to more backup caliber players, but there are a few starters in there. I think that's all you can ask for.
Probably a B-/C  
chick310 : 1/27/2023 12:34 pm : link
But if we didn't have so many ACL injuries it could range up to an A- or so.
I  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/27/2023 12:47 pm : link
too many injuries.
Injured, injured  
BillT : 1/27/2023 12:47 pm : link
Very promising, somewhat injured but played ok when he wasn’t, injured, played ok, injured, injured, didn’t play enough to know.
I have to give it an B+  
allstarjim : 1/27/2023 12:52 pm : link
But everything is too soon right now, it should all be incompletes. Now's the time to grade Gettleman's 2020 draft class, which is surprisingly good. Andrew Thomas, Xavier McKinney, nod to Darnay Holmes.

But in early returns, I think Bellinger lately is being a little underrated by BBI. I know everyone wants to see the big chunk receptions and gaudy yardage and reception totals. We all see the Kelce's and Kittle's and so on and want that, but consider that many seasons prior to Bellinger manning that TE spot, the blocking, both in the run and the pass, were abysmal. And Bellinger stabilized that. Most notably, when he was out with the eye injury, and this also coincided with Neal's injury, so, it wasn't all because Bellinger went out, but the blocking really suffered in that period, and Saquon was less effective. Bellinger really matters in the run game and that showed when he wasn't there.

Ezeudu showed some stoutness in the run game, needs work in the pass blocking department but is a nice developmental player. Flott made some nice contributions and also looks like he can at least have a bigger role in the future. Belton is a little of a mixed bag because while he did have some INTs, he also got lost in coverage plenty.

The other guys are an incomplete. I've also said I really have reservations about Wan'Dale's ability at his size to stay on the field. But there's no denying his ability, so hopefully he can show some durability when he returns next year.
RE: I  
RCPhoenix : 1/27/2023 12:59 pm : link
In comment 16015940 Spiciest Memelord said:
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too many injuries.


This. Wow do I hope:

1) the replacement for the MetLife turf is better and
2) Schoen looks at what NFL teams with less injuries do to prevent injuries and copies them, which hopefully means retooling the strength & conditioning staff
...  
ryanmkeane : 1/27/2023 1:18 pm : link
think we'd feel even that much better about it had a lot of these guys not gotten hurt with freak injuries.

But i really liked the draft class. Thibodeaux was a pick that a lot of GMs probably get scared to make. And Bellinger was a "this guy is just a football player" type pick. Get mid rounds guys that can play.
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ryanmkeane : 1/27/2023 1:20 pm : link
for rounds 3-6 I usually like to ask whether or not it appears early on if they are good quality NFL players. We can absolutely say yes for: Flott, Bellinger, Beavers, Ezeudu
Incomplete  
arniefez : 1/27/2023 1:42 pm : link
too many injuries and too soon. Get back to me in two years.
Way too early to rate a draft class  
Fan_in_Philly2 : 1/27/2023 1:47 pm : link
You really need 3 years before making any determination of a draft class, especially one that had so many injuries this season.

Of the 9 players taken in rounds 2-6, all of them would have been on the roster this year if healthy. That's a good hit rate on picks and also a statement about the quality of the Giants roster/ lack of $ to spend on free agents.

Also, the hit rate for the Giants on picks outside the first two rounds has been awful for the last 10+ years. Just look at the Giants drafts from 2009 until this one. The list of players taken in rounds 3+ to have at least 2 years as starters in the NFL (with Giants or elsewher) is a short one:

2009-2013: None
2014: Kennard (5th round)
2015: Hart (7th)
2016: Goodson (4th)
2018: Carter (3rd)
2018: Hill (3rd)
2019: Slayton (5th)
2020: Crowder (7th)

This draft still could yield potential starters in the 3rd (Flott, Ezeudu), 4th (Bellinger and Belton), 5th (McFadden), and 6th (Beavers).
I'd mostly grade them  
David B. : 1/27/2023 2:06 pm : link
Incomplete.
RE: I'd mostly grade them  
Del Shofner : 1/27/2023 2:21 pm : link
In comment 16016052 David B. said:
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Incomplete.


Same here. Let's do this again after next season.
I think you guys are a little too tough  
Mike from SI : 1/27/2023 2:25 pm : link
on mid round picks. The majority of mid round picks across the league suck. To get a guy like Bellinger is a great value. Every mid round pick will not turn into a very good starter.
RE: I have to give it an B+  
Thegratefulhead : 1/27/2023 2:32 pm : link
In comment 16015946 allstarjim said:
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But everything is too soon right now, it should all be incompletes. Now's the time to grade Gettleman's 2020 draft class, which is surprisingly good. Andrew Thomas, Xavier McKinney, nod to Darnay Holmes.

But in early returns, I think Bellinger lately is being a little underrated by BBI. I know everyone wants to see the big chunk receptions and gaudy yardage and reception totals. We all see the Kelce's and Kittle's and so on and want that, but consider that many seasons prior to Bellinger manning that TE spot, the blocking, both in the run and the pass, were abysmal. And Bellinger stabilized that. Most notably, when he was out with the eye injury, and this also coincided with Neal's injury, so, it wasn't all because Bellinger went out, but the blocking really suffered in that period, and Saquon was less effective. Bellinger really matters in the run game and that showed when he wasn't there.

Ezeudu showed some stoutness in the run game, needs work in the pass blocking department but is a nice developmental player. Flott made some nice contributions and also looks like he can at least have a bigger role in the future. Belton is a little of a mixed bag because while he did have some INTs, he also got lost in coverage plenty.

The other guys are an incomplete. I've also said I really have reservations about Wan'Dale's ability at his size to stay on the field. But there's no denying his ability, so hopefully he can show some durability when he returns next year.
Do you remember a single drop? I don't Bellinger waaaaay not talked about enough here. Good post.
High  
DavidinBMNY : 1/27/2023 3:07 pm : link
I like the draft more as time goes by. I'd grade it a B+.

I didn't like the Wandale pick at first. However, I liked that they traded down and got more picks and were able to do so because they wanted him.

I liked that with a lot of the early picks the players were very young.

WR and CB are 2 of the most expensive positions in FA. So I liked using high draft resources for costly positions.

I also liked they drafted 3 OL.
For  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/27/2023 3:08 pm : link
those who didn't see it, Sy'56 gave his take on the Giants' rookie class in his last game review.
RE: For  
allstarjim : 1/27/2023 3:34 pm : link
In comment 16016119 Eric from BBI said:
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those who didn't see it, Sy'56 gave his take on the Giants' rookie class in his last game review.


That was a good write up, agree with Sy's evaluation.
9 players:  
Joe Beckwith : 1/27/2023 4:07 pm : link
3 whenever really saw, 3 we partially saw, 3 we somewhat saw.
INCOMPLETE.
Incomplete...  
bw in dc : 1/27/2023 4:11 pm : link
but the class looks bullish for now.
RE: ...  
10thAve : 1/28/2023 12:50 am : link
In comment 16015981 ryanmkeane said:
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for rounds 3-6 I usually like to ask whether or not it appears early on if they are good quality NFL players. We can absolutely say yes for: Flott, Bellinger, Beavers, Ezeudu

ryan, unlike some here I appreciate your enthusiasm. However, how can you say that Beavers (especially) and Ezeudu are good, quality NFL players. I hope so but I think those two are TBD at this point.
I think they all showed a lot of promise  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/28/2023 10:27 am : link
I believe the Giants rookie class, even with all its injuries, led the league in Games played; so it really looks like they can all be contributors. This coaching staff is, hopefully, going to be able to develop them all, which would be outstanding, gaining 11 players out of one draft. When have the Giants been able to do that before?
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/28/2023 10:30 am : link
Flott needs to eat three square meals a day. The dude is a stick.
You don’t rate after one year  
eli4life : 1/28/2023 3:14 pm : link
But these to me fell into two categories they were either hurt or they contributed. This tells me two things 1 our roster heading in was not very good. Not surprising since this was supposed to be a year of cleaning up this mess and cap and two which to mean is more important that we have an “elite” (I hate that word) coaching staff. From saving DJ’s career to #53 you saw improvement straight across the board minus one or two exceptions ie.KG. Not saying they’ve turned into superstars or some are still bad players and should be gone but still improved throughout the season
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