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NGT: Tua still in concussion protocol

MNP70 : 1/27/2023 1:31 pm
after a month. No Pro Bowl activities for him. Source says this process has been deliberate and no setbacks. Can't help but pull for the guy.
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He needs to retire  
eric2425ny : 1/27/2023 1:39 pm : link
once you have a few of them it has been proven to make you more susceptible to sustaining more even for hits that aren’t especially violent. He was a high first round pick. If he managed his money effectively he should be set for life.
RE: He needs to retire  
UConn4523 : 1/27/2023 1:43 pm : link
In comment 16016011 eric2425ny said:
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once you have a few of them it has been proven to make you more susceptible to sustaining more even for hits that aren’t especially violent. He was a high first round pick. If he managed his money effectively he should be set for life.


While I understand the sentiment it isn’t just about money. When you work your whole life for something and have the choice to continue still but with risks - it isn’t always an easy answer. This can’t be an easy process/decision for him.
RE: RE: He needs to retire  
eric2425ny : 1/27/2023 1:45 pm : link
In comment 16016019 UConn4523 said:
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once you have a few of them it has been proven to make you more susceptible to sustaining more even for hits that aren’t especially violent. He was a high first round pick. If he managed his money effectively he should be set for life.



While I understand the sentiment it isn’t just about money. When you work your whole life for something and have the choice to continue still but with risks - it isn’t always an easy answer. This can’t be an easy process/decision for him.


Agree on it being difficult, but with the evidence available regarding CTE nowadays it should make the process a bit easier.
Wow  
cosmicj : 1/27/2023 1:48 pm : link
wishing him well. And yes he should retire.
He’s made about $25mm so far in the NFL.  
cosmicj : 1/27/2023 1:49 pm : link
He’s set for life.
His parents just came out and said he's fine.  
Kmed6000 : 1/27/2023 1:52 pm : link
I'm guessing he's in "protocol" to protect the team and league. Supposedly they are just being very cautious.

He isn't retiring.
I feel absolutely terrible for him  
allstarjim : 1/27/2023 2:01 pm : link
The hit he sustained on that first concussion this year (I think) where he got up and wobbled and remained in the game, such a failure from everyone involved not to get him out of there.

I would feel relieved if he did retire, but I also think the chances of that are low. But I hope going forward they treat him very carefully and with a short leash.
Eric  
UConn4523 : 1/27/2023 2:05 pm : link
for as much as we know about CTE it really isn’t all that much. And can’t fault any player for wanting to continue. Often times doing the job you love to do trumps the negatives.
Is he in a rush to get back to doing something?  
MOOPS : 1/27/2023 2:07 pm : link
Season's over. Take your time and get it right.
Miami should begin the process...  
bw in dc : 1/27/2023 2:11 pm : link
of finding a new QB. You can't trust Tua's health and durability.



RE: Miami should begin the process...  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/27/2023 2:29 pm : link
In comment 16016058 bw in dc said:
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of finding a new QB. You can't trust Tua's health and durability.




They'll probably destroy the career of the next one too.
RE: He’s made about $25mm so far in the NFL.  
outeiroj : 1/27/2023 2:42 pm : link
In comment 16016036 cosmicj said:
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He’s set for life.


His entire contract is guaranteed, so if he doesn't retire even if he never plays another snap is still entitled to the remaining money on his contract so he's probably better not retiring, but never playing again
The neurological doctor said  
Straw Hat : 1/27/2023 2:47 pm : link
He’s no more at risk to get a concussion than any other player. Are they lying?
I wish him all the best.....but I am not judging  
George from PA : 1/27/2023 2:50 pm : link
He should do what he wants to do.....
RE: The neurological doctor said  
Chocco : 1/27/2023 3:16 pm : link
In comment 16016099 Straw Hat said:
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He’s no more at risk to get a concussion than any other player. Are they lying?

We don't know enough about his medicals to know that. I would say it's a bit of a stretch to say he is no more at risk. I would say that if people are allowed to heal properly after a concussion it appears to limit the long term effects of concussions and subsequent injuries. There is still some much more we need to learn. Also he may still be in the protocol for something like a HA, during the season he probably wouldn't report it but in the postseason there is a lot less urgency to get back. I am not saying I am an expert, but I did work in a concussion clinic for about 5 years
RE: The neurological doctor said  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/27/2023 3:26 pm : link
In comment 16016099 Straw Hat said:
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He’s no more at risk to get a concussion than any other player. Are they lying?


The science behind concussions is still in research, but it is somewhat accepted belief that sustaining a concussion can make you more vulnerable to more concussions.


My understanding is that in combat sports, if you are diagnosed with a concussion, the minimum out of action time is 1 month. The NFL should probably adopt this but I know full well they won't.
I thought concussions were  
Tom from LI : 1/27/2023 3:32 pm : link
cumulative? They are easier and easier to get once you get your first.

I would call it a day while I can still form sentences.

I don't want to read about this kid 20 years from now harming himself or suffering from chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE).

RE: I thought concussions were  
eric2425ny : 1/27/2023 3:57 pm : link
In comment 16016140 Tom from LI said:
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cumulative? They are easier and easier to get once you get your first.

I would call it a day while I can still form sentences.

I don't want to read about this kid 20 years from now harming himself or suffering from chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE).


Exactly. The concussions he suffered this year were pretty nasty. Especially that second one where his hand was contorted into the shape of a claw while he was laying on the ground.
RE: RE: Miami should begin the process...  
Joe Beckwith : 1/27/2023 3:59 pm : link
In comment 16016081 sb from NYT Forum said:
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of finding a new QB. You can't trust Tua's health and durability.

Their window is small. They’d might want to look at Derek Carr while they have the weapons they have.





They'll probably destroy the career of the next one too.
RE: I thought concussions were  
Chocco : 1/27/2023 4:01 pm : link
In comment 16016140 Tom from LI said:
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cumulative? They are easier and easier to get once you get your first.

I would call it a day while I can still form sentences.

I don't want to read about this kid 20 years from now harming himself or suffering from chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE).

Not necessarily, some players have issues with concussions then play for long periods of time without any reoccurrence. (Sidney Crosby,Aaron Rodgers) A big red flag though is if players who have recovered get another concussion or concussion symptoms from something that you would not expect would cause it
RE: The neurological doctor said  
ColHowPepper : 1/27/2023 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16016133 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He’s no more at risk to get a concussion than any other player. Are they lying?/////

The science behind concussions is still in research, but it is somewhat accepted belief that sustaining a concussion can make you more vulnerable to more concussions.


My understanding is that in combat sports, if you are diagnosed with a concussion, the minimum out of action time is 1 month. The NFL should probably adopt this but I know full well they won't.

That so-called neurological doctor needs continuing ed.

Medical science of head injury is likely to evolve for many years, signs, symptoms, causality, duration of greater vulnerability is very likely case by case depending on the individual, which makes it that much more challenging.

Return to play protocol (RTP) is fairly well accepted: a step by step process from complete rest to gradually increased activity by type and intensity. If, moving to the next higher level of activity/intensity, the player displays symptoms of head injury (on this there is fairly broad consensus), he/she is required to step back down to the next lower level. So, one month, or other 'minimum' rest period, may be conservative and well advised, but I don't think it represents the consensus of treatment of head injury. (My daughter was advised to take a break for six months and we followed that guidance, for severe injury.)

My 'belief' is that the NFL, NHL, etc. are not very transparent in disclosing whether RTP protocols have been followed to the letter, and I doubt they are because of pressure to cut short lost time of highly paid athletes, and/or that strict abidance with the protocol is franchise dependent upon the caliber of medical staff and the bona fides of ownership's care and respect for the well being of its athletes. jmo
If he can't or is advised not to play anymore  
TDMaker85 : 1/27/2023 4:22 pm : link
I hope he brings the mother of all lawsuits against Miami and the NFL. Wow did they mishandle his case.
I stated this before  
1st and 10 : 1/27/2023 4:27 pm : link
When Tua got his first conccussion this year, a few in the Fins feared it was cater ending. Those few have grown now.
I bet Brady  
RomanWH : 1/27/2023 4:28 pm : link
Ends up there if Tua retires. Having Hill and Waddle to throw to plus playing against the Pats twice a year... Didn't he want to go there initially before he went to Tampa?
RE: If he can't or is advised not to play anymore  
Chocco : 1/27/2023 4:28 pm : link
In comment 16016210 TDMaker85 said:
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I hope he brings the mother of all lawsuits against Miami and the NFL. Wow did they mishandle his case.

Miami for sure, but not sure what the case is against the NFL. Understand also that concussion protocols are still subjective (at least in part) and require players to accurately report their symptoms. If players are not reporting their symptoms some of that is on them unless they can show that they have reported symptoms and it wasn't treated appropriately or they pressured to report that they had no symptoms. There is some promising research on blood tests that will hopefully take SOME more of the subjectivity out of the process of
RE: I bet Brady  
JoeSchoens11 : 1/27/2023 5:13 pm : link
In comment 16016220 RomanWH said:
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Ends up there if Tua retires. Having Hill and Waddle to throw to plus playing against the Pats twice a year... Didn't he want to go there initially before he went to Tampa?
The tried-and-true David Cone syndrome.

If they get their Oline squared away that would be a pretty sweet spot for him.
and the pro bowl  
thrunthrublue : 1/27/2023 5:22 pm : link
is flag football......if he isn't cleared for that its time to take the guaranteed monies and move on to something less violent than the NFL.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2023 7:30 pm : link
Jesus. I hope the dude retires. He made generational wealth when he got drafted. His kids kids kids will be fine. I don't wanna see him like Jim McMahon in a decade.
RE: I wish him all the best.....but I am not judging  
joeinpa : 1/27/2023 7:56 pm : link
In comment 16016103 George from PA said:
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He should do what he wants to do.....


Of course he should, and he will. Not easy to walk away from the NFL and the millions to be had when you re in your 20 s

if any team wants him, he ll be playing again.
RE: His parents just came out and said he's fine.  
widmerseyebrow : 1/27/2023 8:57 pm : link
In comment 16016038 Kmed6000 said:
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His dad also beat him with a belt when he threw interceptions as a child and forced him to become left handed so "fine" is probably relative, lol.
RE: Miami should begin the process...  
Matt M. : 1/28/2023 1:31 am : link
In comment 16016058 bw in dc said:
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of finding a new QB. You can't trust Tua's health and durability.


Agreed. Even if he continues playing and seems OK, at this point they need to always have a viable backup plan because he is at risk not just for concussions, but other injuries.
RE: His parents just came out and said he's fine.  
Matt M. : 1/28/2023 1:33 am : link
In comment 16016038 Kmed6000 said:
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I'm guessing he's in "protocol" to protect the team and league. Supposedly they are just being very cautious.

He isn't retiring.
He could be "fine" just in terms of being able to do everyday things. That is not the same as being fine to play.
Her comments seemed like he’s actually fine  
UConn4523 : 1/28/2023 7:39 am : link
and she said he will be back playing next year.
Fine in the sense that he's healed from the last one  
Kmed6000 : 1/28/2023 9:33 am : link
and has no plans to retire. Is he more susceptible to concussions and at greater risk for head injury? Seems like it. I'd be concerned if I was Tua or the Dolphins, but he's healed from the last concussion and will start the season healthy.

That being said, I believe the issue with head injuries is when they aren't able to heal properly. That's why they have these protocols, to make sure the brain is healed before playing again. It's not just the number of hits to the head, it's hits while its still damaged.
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