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Fastest way to improve our run defense?

RELICDOA : 1/28/2023 3:12 pm
The Giants finished the year 28th in Run Defense giving up an average of 146.3 yards per game. The Giants D gave up 521 rush yards in 2 games against the Eagles, another 211 rush yds vs Baltimore. You have to go all the way back to the 2017 season for a year in which we didn’t allow any opponent to rush for over 200 yards in a game.
You have to go back to 2016 for a year in which our run defense was a top unit. The Giants only allowed only 6 opponent to rush over 100 yards. The most yards allowed in one game was to the GB in the regular season (147). The Giants run defense ranked 4th in the league in 2016.
Daboll & Schoen have a potential 2 headed monster to contend with…..they not only have to contend with rebuilding the defense, but they may also have to replace Wink and what he brings to a unit that has done as best it can with limited to no talent at LB. It’s a blessing and a curse that our coordinators are already in jeopardy of leaving so early in our rebuild.
Can we start by having nfl quality lb’s?  
eli4life : 1/28/2023 3:15 pm : link
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"no talent at LB"  
GiantGrit : 1/28/2023 3:15 pm : link
I go with fixing that as the fastest way to improve run defense...and maybe one day have the capability of covering a TE adequately.
Sucked we drafted a gadget WR  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/28/2023 3:19 pm : link
when MLB was just as big a sucking chest wound. I also value MLBs more than brain dead ESPN watchers.

We were getting killed all year due to poor MLB play but the Eagles just took it the limit.
We need to improve our inside linebackers. Beavers coming back should  
Ira : 1/28/2023 3:20 pm : link
help, but we need another ilb we can depend on. Also, another defensive lineman to compliment Dex and Leo and better depth at both of those positions. Regarding the coaching situation, if we lose Wink, I trust Daboll to figure it out.
Resign Dalvin Tomlinson  
BillT : 1/28/2023 3:21 pm : link
Would be where I’d start. The line was dominant with him, Dex and Leo.
Get a new defensive coordinator who can scheme a plan to  
Jack Stroud : 1/28/2023 3:31 pm : link
stop the run. By the way, get one who knows how to defense a TE!
Two things will help  
Jay on the Island : 1/28/2023 3:33 pm : link
One is adding a quality ILB. Let Beavers, McFadden, etc compete at the other ILB spot.

Second is adding a starting caliber DE and also more quality depth along the DL.
RE: Resign Dalvin Tomlinson  
Optimus-NY : 1/28/2023 3:34 pm : link
In comment 16016769 BillT said:
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Would be where I’d start. The line was dominant with him, Dex and Leo.


+1

Loved him. Besides, this 2-man DL business needs to end. The Giants need a 3-man DL again. I'm sure Wink went with what worked best with the personnel on hand, but getting a player like Dalvin back here would be a very positive step forward.
Draft two Eric Dorsey, Curtis mcGriff type players  
kelly : 1/28/2023 3:38 pm : link
Need defensive ends that can two gap.
The Ends are not strong enough at setting the edge and  
chick310 : 1/28/2023 3:39 pm : link
the ILBs don't read/react well enough in filling holes. Often taking too long to see it and then getting blocked up when they finally do.

And Thibs may be the only decent Front 7 guy on the whole roster that can get to the sideline on runs to the outside.

Would have been interesting to see if Beavers could have helped.

Need to add an ILB in Free Agency and draft another no later than Rd 4.
RE: Get a new defensive coordinator who can scheme a plan to  
BillT : 1/28/2023 3:41 pm : link
In comment 16016773 Jack Stroud said:
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stop the run. By the way, get one who knows how to defense a TE!

Our DC probably did more with less than any coordinator I’ve ever seen. He might be the most important and best coach on the team.
RE: Sucked we drafted a gadget WR  
k2tampa : 1/28/2023 3:47 pm : link
In comment 16016767 Spiciest Memelord said:
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when MLB was just as big a sucking chest wound. I also value MLBs more than brain dead ESPN watchers.

We were getting killed all year due to poor MLB play but the Eagles just took it the limit.


What sucked is that the MLB they drafted, and was on a path to starting relatively quickly, tore his ACL.
RE: Get a new defensive coordinator who can scheme a plan to  
k2tampa : 1/28/2023 3:50 pm : link
In comment 16016773 Jack Stroud said:
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stop the run. By the way, get one who knows how to defense a TE!


The only way to cover tight ends is to get middle linebackers who can cover the tight ends.
The Giants need to improve their power in the middle of the field  
arniefez : 1/28/2023 3:58 pm : link
on both sides of the ball. I think they also need to add a lot of speed on defense. I think they may have some solutions for the OL on the roster, they need more, but they have none on defense. Only 2 quality DLs total and only 1 quality LB and he plays on the edge. Hopefully they add a few run pluggers in FA and spend several of their 11 picks improving the speed and power of the LBs.
RE: Get a new defensive coordinator who can scheme a plan to  
PatersonPlank : 1/28/2023 4:05 pm : link
In comment 16016773 Jack Stroud said:
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stop the run. By the way, get one who knows how to defense a TE!


With our lack of ILBs and DE's good against the run, the only way to stop the running attack would have been to commit mmore players forward (quantity over quality thing). However this would have left the back of the defense exposed to a lot of long plays. Wink/Daboll made the right decision, trade off the run for limiting the big plays. Make the offense earn it
In sum,  
Josh in MD : 1/28/2023 5:13 pm : link
we need DL, ER, LB, and many here want us to draft a CB first. On the other side, we need OL, WR, TE, and some here want us to find a new QB and new RB. No one much likes the specials or the punter. So, aside from place kicker and safety, we could use better players at every position. Glad we figured that out.
RE: RE: Resign Dalvin Tomlinson  
rasbutant : 1/28/2023 5:28 pm : link
In comment 16016775 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16016769 BillT said:


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Would be where I’d start. The line was dominant with him, Dex and Leo.



+1

Loved him. Besides, this 2-man DL business needs to end. The Giants need a 3-man DL again. I'm sure Wink went with what worked best with the personnel on hand, but getting a player like Dalvin back here would be a very positive step forward.


I would love this also. Spotrac estimates he will get 8.5M/yr. I'd be good with that.
RE: Draft two Eric Dorsey, Curtis mcGriff type players  
Bruner4329 : 1/28/2023 7:50 pm : link
In comment 16016777 kelly said:
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Need defensive ends that can two gap.

Go back and look at those teams. The MLBs on that team Carson, Reasons and Pepper along with a monster like Banks on the outside made most of the tackles. The DL holds their own on the LBs come in for the tackles. Our LBs have plain stunk for years.
Speed, size, strength  
Giant John : 1/28/2023 7:51 pm : link
And scheme. Anything left?
RE: Speed, size, strength  
Angel Eyes : 1/28/2023 8:09 pm : link
In comment 16016960 Giant John said:
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And scheme. Anything left?

Being able to read offenses. How many times this year do we have linebackers biting on play-action, misdirection, screen passes, etc?
RE: RE: RE: Resign Dalvin Tomlinson  
OntheRoad : 1/29/2023 9:35 am : link

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Spotrac estimates he will get 8.5M/yr.


If Tomlinson is available for 8.5m, that is a pretty easy decision. Doesn't prevent a high draft choice either.
I Nose a little about a lot  
Blu4ever : 1/29/2023 3:06 pm : link
If Tomlinson is available for 8.5m, that is a pretty easy decision. Doesn't prevent a high draft choice
either.
Why, why is that an "easy choice"
Tomlinson plays nose in a 3-4.So a re you advocating for Lawrence Togo back to DE?_

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