Have the Giants set the bar too high for next year?

I think there's a deep shot we take a step back next season. I think there's a lot of parallels to the Bills under Beane & McDermott: an unexpected postseason birth their first season, but a step back their second season. Then Buffalo took off. Let's hope we follow a similar path, but with a Lombardi sprinkled in too unlike Buffalo.

The schedule is much harder....so only way, they will make the playoffs....is doing better than 1-4-1 in NFC East

which doesn't mean they will regress, but usually an indicator of a team that could regress is an unusually high winning pct in close games (ie, one score games).

In the second year of a rebuild, anything more than making it to the playoffs would still be huge.

Many teams with a new coaching staff have a good first year and fall back in the second year. Only when you get to Year 3 do you really know if you are on the right path.

The team is going to need significant upgrades just to do as well as this year.

were right behind Vikings with regards to playing and winning most one score games.

We had a lot go right during season including almost every one of our criticism guys being healthy throughout unlike prior years (sans McKinney).

Coaching on both sides of ball was of high quality with a conservative low risk offense and a mix it up defense. Very few player or off field distractions.

I’m not making any early predictions pending how team does in off-season and training camp but fans should not be stunned if this is a sub 500 team next season and with a bounce here or there could be a 5-6 win team which could reopen door further on roster overhaul (including future at QB).

sputtering down the stretch. 2023 Giants will be a different team, perhaps fans are setting the bar too high.

Period No.
What should we expect is that they overachieve expectations.
Who thinks of this shit. WTF
Let’s make excuses starting now with schedule, maybe long range weather forecast and some other shit.

Period No.
What should we expect is that they overachieve expectations.
Who thinks of this shit. WTF
Let’s make excuses starting now with schedule, maybe long range weather forecast and some other shit.

success much? Cmon now.

Next season will be another step forward and not a lateral or backward move. We have a lot of young talented players it’s been a long time since we could honestly say that. A strong off season is in the cards we have a great position in terms of budgeting with the salary cap, we have a lot of draft picks. I like what Joe Schoen did those far with the roster and last year’s draft and looking forward to seeing what he and Brian do in this draft and free agent period.

To field a competitive team with playoff potential. I expect the team to improve although that may not manifest in a better record. Anything less than a competitive team contending for a playoff spot will be a disappointment to me.

If we start giving him the highest salary on the team and he doesn't, then assume the Giants probably take a step or two back.

And at some point this whole injury-thing has to normalize with the overall roster which can only help.

The Giants maximized the talent on this team with tremendous coaching.

If this team stays roughly status quo talent wise, there is not much room to see better results next year.

However if they adequately address their biggest weaknesses: #1WR, 2nd M2M boundary corner, and then address the other not as big but still important ones on some level like ILB, DL depth and possibly further solidifying the OL, that will be the biggest potential driver for this team to be significantly improved next year.

This also assumes that the coaching staffs stays mainly intact or if there are any losses that we adequately replace the coach we lose to another team.

they probably should have lost more, maybe even every game, so they could keep expectations low.

In comment 16017238 pjcas18 said:

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they probably should have lost more, maybe even every game, so they could keep expectations low.

Yeah, that’s what I was insinuating 🙄

Not a perfect one but pretty close...

The 2020 Eagles won 4 games. The 2021 Eagles barely made the playoffs and lost 31-9 or something like that to Tampa. Their GM went real aggressive and traded a #1 pick for a top WR1 , signed our former very good 2nd Corner in Bradberry and then added depth across the DL.

Todays NFL allows for teams to grow up vey quickly if you hit enough in the draft and FA.

NYG obviously would have to have a very good offseason but they arguably have enough cap space to do it depending on how the contracts are structured.

team to 9-7-1 and a playoff win with the roster they had, I think we can expect an improvement. I do expect a better roster next season. I expect a better offense with better players and being in the system on the 2nd year. I expect the defense will be better at stopping the run. I expect the CBs to be better if they keep Jackson from returning punts and Flott gets a sophomore bump.

Don’t understand how hard it is to get as far as we did this year. We can improve immensely and not make it any further. We were in the top 8. Were we the 8th best team this year?

In comment 16017187 Sammo85 said:

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were right behind Vikings with regards to playing and winning most one score games. We had a lot go right during season including almost every one of our criticism guys being healthy throughout unlike prior years (sans McKinney). Coaching on both sides of ball was of high quality with a conservative low risk offense and a mix it up defense. Very few player or off field distractions. I’m not making any early predictions pending how team does in off-season and training camp but fans should not be stunned if this is a sub 500 team next season and with a bounce here or there could be a 5-6 win team which could reopen door further on roster overhaul (including future at QB).

Gotta disagree re: injury luck. That may be true for the offense, if you don’t count the rookies as critical. But in addition to McKinney, the defense dealt with extended absences from Ojulari, LW, and Jackson. Adding depth is gonna be key.

In comment 16017249 Jolly Blue Giant said:

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Don’t understand how hard it is to get as far as we did this year. We can improve immensely and not make it any further. We were in the top 8. Were we the 8th best team this year?

What they did was exceptional relative to the talent disparity between them and the other 7 remaining teams in the playoffs. Probably a large part of the reason 3 of our coaches are interviewing for higher positions right now.

Quite doubtful its repeatable with a tougher schedule without having something in the range of the 2021 Eagles off-season in addition to re-signing our franchise QB.

This offseason will be a monumentally important one for our 2nd year GM Joe Schoen.

Heard anything from the Giants about their expectations for next year. They are a competitive football team again and that feels pretty good.

If you believe progress must be linear. As others have said, I wouldn't be surprised by a step back next year. We were lucky to have Jones and Barkley mostly healthy the entire season, it wouldn't be far-fetched to assume that doesn't happen next year (if they're both brought back, of course). We'll have a lot of new faces too, and we don't know how well everything will jell. But Schoen and Daboll know this is a long haul, and their "keep chopping wood" mindset will serve the team well through the ups and downs, I think.

In comment 16017291 DieHard said:

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If you believe progress must be linear. As others have said, I wouldn't be surprised by a step back next year. We were lucky to have Jones and Barkley mostly healthy the entire season, it wouldn't be far-fetched to assume that doesn't happen next year (if they're both brought back, of course). We'll have a lot of new faces too, and we don't know how well everything will jell. But Schoen and Daboll know this is a long haul, and their "keep chopping wood" mindset will serve the team well through the ups and downs, I think.

Why limit what they can do? Why can't we be like the Eagles?

Obviously this is going to largely depend on how the offseason goes before we can make any strong guesses. However if they successfully address a lot of the largest weaknesses and rookies from last year and other young guys continue to improve, this team could be significantly better. A lot of ifs but its doable.

In comment 16017249 Jolly Blue Giant said:

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Don’t understand how hard it is to get as far as we did this year. We can improve immensely and not make it any further. We were in the top 8. Were we the 8th best team this year?

Yes, we were. They played a 17-game season and then a playoff tournament. So we've got the proof, minus all the analytical noise.

As Daboll's said, each year is a new year. In 2022, the Giants were one of the top 8 teams in the league. You can't take that away from them.

In comment 16017309 CornerStone246+17 said:

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In comment 16017291 DieHard said: Quote: If you believe progress must be linear. As others have said, I wouldn't be surprised by a step back next year. We were lucky to have Jones and Barkley mostly healthy the entire season, it wouldn't be far-fetched to assume that doesn't happen next year (if they're both brought back, of course). We'll have a lot of new faces too, and we don't know how well everything will jell. But Schoen and Daboll know this is a long haul, and their "keep chopping wood" mindset will serve the team well through the ups and downs, I think. Why limit what they can do? Why can't we be like the Eagles? Obviously this is going to largely depend on how the offseason goes before we can make any strong guesses. However if they successfully address a lot of the largest weaknesses and rookies from last year and other young guys continue to improve, this team could be significantly better. A lot of ifs but its doable.

I'd love to see it, but the two situations aren't exactly the same. The Eagles already had cornerstones on their OL and DL, a QB on a rookie contract, and found a team gullible enough to trade them a #1 WR. I hope Schoen can wheel and deal as well as Roseman, but I have to see it first.

In comment 16017211 gary_from_chester said:

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To field a competitive team with playoff potential. I expect the team to improve although that may not manifest in a better record. Anything less than a competitive team contending for a playoff spot will be a disappointment to me.

+1 This

and finished 9-7-1 meaning they were 2-5-1 the second half of the season. They were a -6 on the season in PF/PA.

DC's will have until July to study what the Giants do well and what they don't do well. Pretty safe bet there will be regression.

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doesn’t necessarily mean regression.

And we will lose some starters in FA ( maybe) gain some starters in draft and FA
Team seems well coached enough not to suck
So games will be close. So depends on the talent infusion. Could be anywhere from 6-11 to 11-6. If I had to guess , probably in playoff hunt in December since league is so mediocre. But I could see a step back in record as we draft and develop a bunch of young guys who fits GM/coach vision

In comment 16017319 DieHard said:

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In comment 16017309 CornerStone246+17 said: Quote: In comment 16017291 DieHard said: Quote: If you believe progress must be linear. As others have said, I wouldn't be surprised by a step back next year. We were lucky to have Jones and Barkley mostly healthy the entire season, it wouldn't be far-fetched to assume that doesn't happen next year (if they're both brought back, of course). We'll have a lot of new faces too, and we don't know how well everything will jell. But Schoen and Daboll know this is a long haul, and their "keep chopping wood" mindset will serve the team well through the ups and downs, I think. Why limit what they can do? Why can't we be like the Eagles? Obviously this is going to largely depend on how the offseason goes before we can make any strong guesses. However if they successfully address a lot of the largest weaknesses and rookies from last year and other young guys continue to improve, this team could be significantly better. A lot of ifs but its doable. I'd love to see it, but the two situations aren't exactly the same. The Eagles already had cornerstones on their OL and DL, a QB on a rookie contract, and found a team gullible enough to trade them a #1 WR. I hope Schoen can wheel and deal as well as Roseman, but I have to see it first.

Definitely not exactly apples to apples but the hope is with 60M in cap space and then 179 next year some contracts cam be structured accordingly with a bit of backloading to allow for additional key signings after DJ and Barkley.

And yes Roseman is one of the best in the business at the maneuvering. Would be nice to see JS pull off something similar.

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Can happen, but this is also a fact.

Only the Eagles and Cowboys were better than they were, truly. Teams like the Seahawks, Lions, Vikings and Ravens weren't better, but you can make an argument theyre all in the same boat. Giants are a team who don't have much talent but they do have an excellent coaching staff.

is individual.
I posted elsewhere that they could be worse than 9-7-1, and as low as 7Ws, yet actually be a better team.
The upside is they have a taste of winning, and bumped up the self confidence / winning attitude level.
Makes looking forward to the upcoming season fun again in any case.

At not turning the ball over they will have a shot to be in the playoffs again. This is a well coached team.