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Bears #1 pick rumor

Hilary : 1/29/2023 9:52 am
If I am the Bears I make this trade- trade Fiels pick QB at 1
They may get a better passer under contract control an additional 2 years
Bears trade rumor - ( New Window )
Is it a rumor or just speculation  
Ira : 1/29/2023 9:55 am : link
?
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/29/2023 9:57 am : link
Poles seemed high AF on Fields at Chicago's season ending presser. I guess there's a chance some team blows them away with an offer, but I think Fields is there long term.
This rumor makes no sense  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/29/2023 9:57 am : link
Wouldn’t a QB needy team just use their pick to trade up to get a QB in this years draft or maybe even let one fall to them?
sorry  
Hilary : 1/29/2023 9:58 am : link
Fields
it's a good problem to have, but a tough choice  
Producer : 1/29/2023 9:59 am : link
do you jettison the promising QB you have, who has shown glimpses of elite athleticism, but might dictate a certain offense which suits his skills?

Or do you go with the high upside prospect? A choice also fraught with some uncertainty and risk.
I like what I saw out of Fields this past season  
chick310 : 1/29/2023 10:02 am : link
But wouldn't suggest teams shouldn't look to upgrade at QB though.

That would be short-sighted.
They won’t get much  
Sammo85 : 1/29/2023 10:07 am : link
If they do trade him even though I like him as a guy who could lead a team the next 4-5 years. But just like we see with QBs who play as a runner (and this is the issue seen with guys like Dak, Lamar, Jones and maybe Hurts at some point, as a runner or taking hits and missing games, the wheels aren’t there and you have to be a pocket passer.
Not a fan of Fields. Sure he's a great athlete but I didn't see  
PatersonPlank : 1/29/2023 10:12 am : link
anything remotely looking like an NFL passing attack, I just saw a guy running around a lot. I'd rather have Stroud frankly.
I don’t get the love for Fields. What am I missing.  
BillT : 1/29/2023 10:17 am : link
Yes, he plays for a bad team with very little talent and he’s only in his 2nd year. He’s an unbelievable runner. But his passing is not good. 2200 yards, 17/11 in 15 games. They could get the #1 QB in the draft and get something for Fields. I’m moving on.
If the Bears love Young  
JonC : 1/29/2023 10:21 am : link
They pick him, and find a deal for Fields. You rarely get a #1 overall pick, got to nail it.
LOL  
Shecky : 1/29/2023 10:24 am : link
So allegedly the Bears made a complete and full assessment of the 2023 NFL draft, and in addition have made a franchise altering decision to trade the QB they recently moved up for, and showed promise? Okayyyyyy
The Bears shouldn't be attached to Fields.  
FStubbs : 1/29/2023 10:25 am : link
If they think they can get a better passer with the #1 overall pick, they have to do it.

But they should absolutely be saying they like Fields right now.
RE: If the Bears love Young  
Danny Kanell : 1/29/2023 10:29 am : link
In comment 16017194 JonC said:
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They pick him, and find a deal for Fields. You rarely get a #1 overall pick, got to nail it.


This
Giants were in a similar spot  
Giantimistic : 1/29/2023 10:34 am : link
Gettleman apparently loved Herbert but he didn’t come out so Jones was the pick. The next year, even if the Giants liked Jones, if They liked Herbert better they should have made the pick.

I say this as someone who likes Jones. Any other position you take a player if they are better than what you have without a second thought.
RE: I don’t get the love for Fields. What am I missing.  
chick310 : 1/29/2023 10:36 am : link
In comment 16017188 BillT said:
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Yes, he plays for a bad team with very little talent and he’s only in his 2nd year. He’s an unbelievable runner. But his passing is not good. 2200 yards, 17/11 in 15 games. They could get the #1 QB in the draft and get something for Fields. I’m moving on.


For NY Giant fans, this post is ironic as they come.
maybe the Bears should  
Giantsfan79 : 1/29/2023 10:36 am : link
Stick at whatever draft spot they have, pick the QB that falls to them, and more Fields to RB. #upgrade
more should read  
Giantsfan79 : 1/29/2023 10:37 am : link
move
RE: If the Bears love Young  
Sammo85 : 1/29/2023 10:38 am : link
In comment 16017194 JonC said:
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They pick him, and find a deal for Fields. You rarely get a #1 overall pick, got to nail it.


Yup. QB conviction.

And my gut says they’re not willing to trade out of 1 slot because they know Texans will take Young. I’m more intrigued with whether Texans take a QB themselves and where Stroud or Levis fall to given Colts are also in hunt for QB and where Will Anderson goes too. I expect a heavy run on some OTs again in 1st similar to last year from around picks 5-6 through 15-20.

Sounds like Falcons may stick with Ridder for now and Panthers may make move for a Derek Carr (surprised not a draft pick consideration after Reichs tenure with QB carousel in Indy) but that’s the scuttlebut with Tepper wanting vet head coach and QB to make playoff run next few years.

RE: I don’t get the love for Fields. What am I missing.  
ajr2456 : 1/29/2023 10:43 am : link
In comment 16017188 BillT said:
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Yes, he plays for a bad team with very little talent and he’s only in his 2nd year. He’s an unbelievable runner. But his passing is not good. 2200 yards, 17/11 in 15 games. They could get the #1 QB in the draft and get something for Fields. I’m moving on.


So Daniel Jones is held back because of a poor supporting cast, but the same doesn’t go for Fields?

For what’s it’s worth, Fields had two more passing tds in 100 less passing attempts. Obviously the interceptions are a concern but Fields’ year 2 is pretty similar to Jones’ year 2 except with more production on the ground.
Young is the obvious choice  
Eric on Li : 1/29/2023 10:53 am : link
Fields is so much more dependent on running than any other qb in the league and last year he accumulated injuries as a result of it. This is a good time to sell Fields and probably get back at least a 1st from a team like ATL or CAR. You don't get the chance to take a legitimately deserving #1oa QB often passing on it would be moronic. Bryce Young is a stud.
RE: RE: I don’t get the love for Fields. What am I missing.  
Producer : 1/29/2023 10:56 am : link
In comment 16017216 ajr2456 said:
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Yes, he plays for a bad team with very little talent and he’s only in his 2nd year. He’s an unbelievable runner. But his passing is not good. 2200 yards, 17/11 in 15 games. They could get the #1 QB in the draft and get something for Fields. I’m moving on.



So Daniel Jones is held back because of a poor supporting cast, but the same doesn’t go for Fields?

For what’s it’s worth, Fields had two more passing tds in 100 less passing attempts. Obviously the interceptions are a concern but Fields’ year 2 is pretty similar to Jones’ year 2 except with more production on the ground.


Please do not apply the same standard to Daniel Jones as you would to other players. Thank you in advance for complying. We are watching you.

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also if young's big concern is durability for bears it's irrelevant  
Eric on Li : 1/29/2023 10:58 am : link
because fields durability is arguably more of a worry with the amount he's going to need to run the ball over his career and the fact that he's already accumulating a pretty extensive injury list doing so. as a rookie he had broken ribs, this past year he separated a shoulder.
Entire article makes no sense....  
George from PA : 1/29/2023 11:18 am : link
Field is not wanted by Chicago but yet will have a marker of 5 teams wanting him.

I hear Colts will trade kings ransom for the 1st pick
Several prominent analysts love Will Levis. Love him.  
cosmicj : 1/29/2023 11:24 am : link
That’s a big wild card in this situation. What does Ryan Poles think?
comparing jones and fields passing is stupid  
Eric on Li : 1/29/2023 11:25 am : link
as is making every thread a daniel jones thread, but i digress.

through most of his career fields has been in contention for lowest number of completions as a starting qb, and up until things clicked with his legs in the 2nd half this year his comp% was historically low even compared to other first/second year players through about 20 games. 4 of his first 6 games this year he completed 51% of his passes or lower. that is zach wilson/jamarcus russell level bad passing.

if you think jones didnt throw a lot this year, in 15 games fields attempted 150 less passes - which is a full 1/3 less. he only had 1 game this entire year where he completed more than 17 passes.

fields 2nd half was so good i think my position on him prior was wrong and he can be an effective starting qb because his legs were that good and they opened up a little bit of a passing game, but that said he has more value tied to his legs than any other qb in nfl history - which is risky on 2 fronts (injuries, long term effectiveness). in 7 of his last 10 games he ran 10+ times. 3 of those games were 15+ rush attempts. in the last 2 months he had almost the same number of attempts as barkley, which is not what you want from your qb. fields only had 1 game under 7 carries (6). Jones ran 6x or less in 9 of his 18 starts. overall he ran for a full 1/3 more rush attempts than jones (160 vs. 120). his 160 attempts was more than 20+ over cam newton's high rushing attempts year (and his passing attempts 150 fewer).

from a nyg standpoint i think even jones' 'cam newton level' rushing workload seemed like too much to be sustainable long term. i think the same about josh allen and buf too. cam stayed freakishly healthy for 8 years, but remember he also hit his expiration date at age 29 with a career comp% in carolina < 60. for jones to be successful long term i think he will need to keeping passing more and run less.

the same is true of fields but to a massively higher degree that imo is beyond improbable. he only had 2 games over 200 yards passing this past year. and of the limited attempts, he has the highest int% of any qb in the league through his first 2 years. last year he was dead last, this year he was 2nd to last to just dak. which is why if im chicago im grabbing a 1st+ from a QB desperate team like ATL and taking Bryce without a second thought.
Poles  
AcidTest : 1/29/2023 11:29 am : link
didn't draft Fields so he's not wedded to him. But the problem isn't moving on from Fields, it's what can you get for him in a trade. I wouldn't give up a top 10 pick for Fields, which the author of that article seems to think is likely. Maybe a late first at most.
1 more fields stat to illustrate his issues - here are his QBR ranks  
Eric on Li : 1/29/2023 11:33 am : link
running QBR rank among QBs = 1st overall out of 31
passing QBR rank among QBs = 2nd worst overall out of 31 (ahead of just Baker)

what he did 2nd half showed impact i didnt think he had so you can give me an L there bc i thought he would be a full bust but im still very skeptical long term because it's an imbalanced workload far beyond what any other successful qb has ever had.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/seasontype/2/sort/cwepaPassesCondensed/dir/asc - ( New Window )
RE: Poles  
Eric on Li : 1/29/2023 11:37 am : link
In comment 16017278 AcidTest said:
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didn't draft Fields so he's not wedded to him. But the problem isn't moving on from Fields, it's what can you get for him in a trade. I wouldn't give up a top 10 pick for Fields, which the author of that article seems to think is likely. Maybe a late first at most.


i could see atlanta giving up #8 for him but the smarter move might be taking a 2024 first rd pick and say a 2023 second from a top 10 team if they wont give up their top 10 pick.

i could also see jets giving up #13 and houston giving up #12 if they dont like stroud or levis. washington could give up #16.

i think they will have options with fields since he's young and already at least somewhat proven. in a 2021 redraft i think he'd move up and go top 10 and i dont even like him. but he'd def be QB2 or QB3 ahead of wilson and lance. atlanta would probably drive pitts to chicago if they could just swap their pick from that year.
I would trade Fields  
JB_in_DC : 1/29/2023 11:59 am : link
If you could get value. I think he’s a bad bet to be a consistent winning QB.
For the sake of Fields' career...  
bw in dc : 1/29/2023 12:01 pm : link
I hope Chicago does trade him. He showed some real promise this year, but that team is a disaster in terms of talent, management/coaching, and ownership (especially). And a young QB under a defensive minded HC is not the right recipe in today's game, IMV. Who is Fields going to learn from in Chicago? Luke Getsy the OC? Please...

From a business perspective, and ignoring how incompetent the Bears are, I do think, however, they should trade Fields to acquire more assets and reset on the rookie QB contract if they take a QB.

RE: RE: Poles  
Sammo85 : 1/29/2023 12:23 pm : link
In comment 16017285 Eric on Li said:
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didn't draft Fields so he's not wedded to him. But the problem isn't moving on from Fields, it's what can you get for him in a trade. I wouldn't give up a top 10 pick for Fields, which the author of that article seems to think is likely. Maybe a late first at most.



i could see atlanta giving up #8 for him but the smarter move might be taking a 2024 first rd pick and say a 2023 second from a top 10 team if they wont give up their top 10 pick.

i could also see jets giving up #13 and houston giving up #12 if they dont like stroud or levis. washington could give up #16.

i think they will have options with fields since he's young and already at least somewhat proven. in a 2021 redraft i think he'd move up and go top 10 and i dont even like him. but he'd def be QB2 or QB3 ahead of wilson and lance. atlanta would probably drive pitts to chicago if they could just swap their pick from that year.


Your value proposition is way off. Atlanta passed him over originally to boot despite the fact they openly acknowledged they needed to find a QB of future behind Ryan. Fields has lost 2 years off his rookie deal and 5th year option is pending next off-season.

At most he would get a conditional 2nd. Jets aren’t trading their #1 for Fields either. That’s crazy talk.
For anyone taking Bryce Young  
gmenrule : 1/29/2023 12:49 pm : link
I would be so worried about all the passes that will get knocked down at the LOS since he is like 5'10". He is also gonna get pounded at the weight he is. Better take Stroud if you trade Fields.
RE: RE: RE: Poles  
Eric on Li : 1/29/2023 12:51 pm : link
In comment 16017339 Sammo85 said:
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didn't draft Fields so he's not wedded to him. But the problem isn't moving on from Fields, it's what can you get for him in a trade. I wouldn't give up a top 10 pick for Fields, which the author of that article seems to think is likely. Maybe a late first at most.



i could see atlanta giving up #8 for him but the smarter move might be taking a 2024 first rd pick and say a 2023 second from a top 10 team if they wont give up their top 10 pick.

i could also see jets giving up #13 and houston giving up #12 if they dont like stroud or levis. washington could give up #16.

i think they will have options with fields since he's young and already at least somewhat proven. in a 2021 redraft i think he'd move up and go top 10 and i dont even like him. but he'd def be QB2 or QB3 ahead of wilson and lance. atlanta would probably drive pitts to chicago if they could just swap their pick from that year.



Your value proposition is way off. Atlanta passed him over originally to boot despite the fact they openly acknowledged they needed to find a QB of future behind Ryan. Fields has lost 2 years off his rookie deal and 5th year option is pending next off-season.

At most he would get a conditional 2nd. Jets aren’t trading their #1 for Fields either. That’s crazy talk.


darnold was an almost outright bust after year 3 and he brought back more than a conditional 2nd with just his 4th year and 5yo option.

wentz brought back more at 30m+ per each of the last 2 offseasons.

obviously no way for anyone to know until something happens but im pretty sure someone would give up 1st for fields (and some of those same teams might also be willing to give up a 1st for carr).

in a redraft im pretty sure fields would go top 10 so i dont know how using anyone's thought process from 2021 is applicable today. but hey, if atlanta wants to follow the same thought process that passed on chase and parsons and surtain for pitts who they dont even use effectively all the power to them.
RE: For anyone taking Bryce Young  
Eric on Li : 1/29/2023 12:55 pm : link
In comment 16017372 gmenrule said:
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I would be so worried about all the passes that will get knocked down at the LOS since he is like 5'10". He is also gonna get pounded at the weight he is. Better take Stroud if you trade Fields.


how'd that work out in the 2 championship games vs UGA's front last year? davis, wyatt, walker, carter were a bigger front than most nfl teams.

we'll see what the combine shows but he's listed an inch taller than russell wilson and 2 inches taller than kyler.
Young is the best  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/29/2023 1:05 pm : link
QB in the draft and it’s not close imv. If he dropped I’d want Schoen to aggressively move to get him.
RE: For anyone taking Bryce Young  
bw in dc : 1/29/2023 1:09 pm : link
In comment 16017372 gmenrule said:
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I would be so worried about all the passes that will get knocked down at the LOS since he is like 5'10". He is also gonna get pounded at the weight he is. Better take Stroud if you trade Fields.


He's such a question mark because of that body type. He's just not a thick guy like a Russell Wilson. Murray is even smaller, but he's thick, too.

The positive case for Young is that the NFL is moving very quickly to a situation where QBs will soon wear a label that reads: "Fragile: Handle with Care".
RE: RE: RE: RE: Poles  
Sammo85 : 1/29/2023 1:15 pm : link
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didn't draft Fields so he's not wedded to him. But the problem isn't moving on from Fields, it's what can you get for him in a trade. I wouldn't give up a top 10 pick for Fields, which the author of that article seems to think is likely. Maybe a late first at most.



i could see atlanta giving up #8 for him but the smarter move might be taking a 2024 first rd pick and say a 2023 second from a top 10 team if they wont give up their top 10 pick.

i could also see jets giving up #13 and houston giving up #12 if they dont like stroud or levis. washington could give up #16.

i think they will have options with fields since he's young and already at least somewhat proven. in a 2021 redraft i think he'd move up and go top 10 and i dont even like him. but he'd def be QB2 or QB3 ahead of wilson and lance. atlanta would probably drive pitts to chicago if they could just swap their pick from that year.



Your value proposition is way off. Atlanta passed him over originally to boot despite the fact they openly acknowledged they needed to find a QB of future behind Ryan. Fields has lost 2 years off his rookie deal and 5th year option is pending next off-season.

At most he would get a conditional 2nd. Jets aren’t trading their #1 for Fields either. That’s crazy talk.



darnold was an almost outright bust after year 3 and he brought back more than a conditional 2nd with just his 4th year and 5yo option.

wentz brought back more at 30m+ per each of the last 2 offseasons.

obviously no way for anyone to know until something happens but im pretty sure someone would give up 1st for fields (and some of those same teams might also be willing to give up a 1st for carr).

in a redraft im pretty sure fields would go top 10 so i dont know how using anyone's thought process from 2021 is applicable today. but hey, if atlanta wants to follow the same thought process that passed on chase and parsons and surtain for pitts who they dont even use effectively all the power to them.


How did those moves work out for Panthers and Colts? Both teams turned into dumpster fires this season and got head coaches fired. Teams are rightly recognizing the value of high draft picks for development and cap purposes rather than drunkenly trading them for a declining asset in need of redevelopment. Fields might be a different case but he’s not without risk.
Seems like a rumor  
Biteymax22 : 1/29/2023 1:18 pm : link
I’d let leak if I wanted another team in the top 5 to trade me a haul to move up to number 1….
RE: RE: I don’t get the love for Fields. What am I missing.  
JonC : 1/29/2023 1:42 pm : link
In comment 16017208 chick310 said:
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Yes, he plays for a bad team with very little talent and he’s only in his 2nd year. He’s an unbelievable runner. But his passing is not good. 2200 yards, 17/11 in 15 games. They could get the #1 QB in the draft and get something for Fields. I’m moving on.



For NY Giant fans, this post is ironic as they come.


+1
The pick is worth WAY more than Fields.  
David B. : 1/29/2023 4:24 pm : link
That's what they should be trading.
......  
BrettNYG10 : 1/29/2023 4:34 pm : link
Fields flashes but I just don't think he's that good of a passer. His numbers are really, really bad.

I'd go Young at #1 and trade Fields.
Bosa  
Ron Johnson : 1/29/2023 4:38 pm : link
Is not a smart player
Oops  
Ron Johnson : 1/29/2023 4:39 pm : link
Wrong thread
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Poles  
Eric on Li : 1/29/2023 4:40 pm : link
In comment 16017408 Sammo85 said:
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How did those moves work out for Panthers and Colts? Both teams turned into dumpster fires this season and got head coaches fired. Teams are rightly recognizing the value of high draft picks for development and cap purposes rather than drunkenly trading them for a declining asset in need of redevelopment. Fields might be a different case but he’s not without risk.


nothing is without risk. for indy the wentz move i guess worked out better than the rivers move that preceded it and the ryan move that succeeded it. im not sure frank reich cares how the extra pick from washington turned out at this point since he's on to carolina.

we'll see how much anyone has learned when we see what happens with carr. as always there are more teams who need QBs than QBs available and teams with high enough draft picks to get good ones. so i'd guess he gets traded for the similar comp as wentz.

frank reich's included there are a lot of teams with worse QBs than carr (and fields for that matter) that also don't have top 5 picks. the reason qbs cost what they cost is bc head coaches and gms generally prefer to not get fired. fields isnt for everyone but i think there's probably a coach desperate enough to roll the dice and i think rivera, arthur smith, and saleh could all fit that description.
Here's an idea ...  
FStubbs : 1/29/2023 5:12 pm : link
... some form of trade that sends Fields to Baltimore, Jackson to the Colts, and some package of picks back to the Bears.
RE: Here's an idea ...  
Eric on Li : 1/29/2023 5:55 pm : link
In comment 16018170 FStubbs said:
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... some form of trade that sends Fields to Baltimore, Jackson to the Colts, and some package of picks back to the Bears.


sy floated something along those lines a week ago.
RE: RE: Here's an idea ...  
FStubbs : 1/29/2023 6:31 pm : link
In comment 16018334 Eric on Li said:
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... some form of trade that sends Fields to Baltimore, Jackson to the Colts, and some package of picks back to the Bears.



sy floated something along those lines a week ago.


I must have read that and forgot.
I don't see why they wouldn't want that out there.  
St. Jimmy : 1/29/2023 6:38 pm : link
Regardless of what they want to do, see what everyone is willing to offer.
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