Anyone else fine if they let Barkley walk ?

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especially if the speculation is true that Team Barkley is looking for a deal in the $16M range for the AAV. Laughable.

The only reason to keep SB is if we apply the NEFT. Of course, that course of action hinges on what happens to Jones.

tag him and than see what happens.

tag Barkley. It's not that complicated. Then negotiate a long term contract with Barkley.

An expensive RB is better value than the same money for an average WR.

Don't overthink it.

But for now I'll trust the Giants brain trust to do what they think is right. But my hope is they re-sign him.

to keep Saquon, I would do so only with a reasonable budgeted contract. I would not mind a 3 year deal that they can be out of in 2 years if needed. A lot depends on Jones' contract and if they decide to extend AT, DL, and Love.

but it’ll also depend on how they handle the void. I trust these guys know what they are doing.

But, expect a drop in play from Jones if you do.

Especially if the plan is to take those funds to help mix with some other limited cap space and address immediate holes at maybe an IOL stalwart and a WR/TE on offense and a LB.

Then add a RB in draft.

he's a top 5 running back, and the centerpiece of the offense.

Will he leave because they can't come to an agreement.....would be acceptable.

But paying him more doesn't upgrade the team and the RB supply chain is long and plentiful.

With some decent evaluations, contract negotiations and grabbing a rookie in the next draft the Giants would be jsut fine going forward if Barkley isn't on the team.

Put a value and if he doesn't agree, let him go.

Late round RB’s do well in the league. Edge, OL, WR and LB’r would be a better use of money. Plus Barkley is only good for a half season generally.

a rebuilding team can't afford. Don't let this surprise season fool you. There's a lot of work still to be done.
Paying top dollar to a RB on a second contract is a mistake.
They need cheaper cost-controlled players to kick-start the rebuild. They can get 80% of the production at 50% of the cost with a couple of FAs or draft picks

Saquon Barkley- #2
Christian McCaffrey #8
Derrick Henry- 45
Josh Jacobs- 45
Dalvin Cook- 41
Jonathan Taylor- 41
Miles Sanders - 53
Nick Chubb- 35
Kenneth Walker - 41
Joe Mixon- 48

Next up and comers
Travis Etienne- 25
Breece Hall- 36
Najee Harris - 24


The guys you listed that were taken late got some yards for 2 very bad teams for 1 season, we have no real idea how they will respond in difficult situations for playoff teams

There are silver linings to be found, camp impact and roster build chief among them. But you never feel fine about losing the offenses engine. We have short memories, Barkley shouldered that entire offense early on.

There are a handful of very realistic ways this team takes a (hopefully short and brief) step back next season. Losing Barkley is in just about every one of them.

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In comment 16017359 HardTruth said:

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Saquon Barkley- #2 Christian McCaffrey #8 Derrick Henry- 45 Josh Jacobs- 45 Dalvin Cook- 41 Jonathan Taylor- 41 Miles Sanders - 53 Nick Chubb- 35 Kenneth Walker - 41 Joe Mixon- 48 Next up and comers Travis Etienne- 25 Breece Hall- 36 Najee Harris - 24 The guys you listed that were taken late got some yards for 2 very bad teams for 1 season, we have no real idea how they will respond in difficult situations for playoff teams

Dave Gettleman LOL

Hes of diminishing value, probably for the rest of his career. He wont replicate this year, and he'll cost more.

Paying more and getting less is not ideal.

based on the reasons the OP laid out. Thomas and Lawrence are second and first team NFL All Pros respectively at their position. That’s going to be very expensive to re-sign them. Definitely $20-25M per season AAV for each player.

So assuming Jones is retained somewhere in the $30-35M AAV range, and two exceeding $20M each, can you really afford to have a RB who reportedly wants $16M per year AAV?

The most financially prudent move would probably be to tag him for $10M and hope he doesn’t hold out. Or let him walk, sign a mid level guy like Alexander Mattison who may shine in a bigger role to less than half of what Barkley wants and draft a complement with one of our third round picks.

The thing with Barkley is that he has had two healthy seasons out of 5. Year two was marred by a bad high ankle sprain which zapped his athleticism even when he came back later in the season. Season 3 was over with the ACL, and year 4 was basically a rehab year from the ACL.

A lot of people will point to the McCaffrey and Henry deals, but those guys had been great and very healthy when they signed their second contracts. I think the CMC deal was a disaster for the Panthers, but at least he had a clean injury history when they signed him. Barkley has been healthy for basically 40-50% of his rookie deal. Why would he expect to get the same that CMC got?

In comment 16017334 Sean said:

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But, expect a drop in play from Jones if you do.

I don't think so Sean.

I did a break down of when the Giants had Jones and No Barkley and Barkley with No Jones a little while back.

It was something like this:

With Jones and no Barkley, The Giants were around 8 wins and 19 losses..

With Barkley and no Jones the Giants didn't win a game.

I sometimes think we underestimate Jones and over estimate Barkley.

Whatever the Giants brass thinks is best I am good with.

if Saquon Barkley leaves, what's the likelihood he ends up in Dallas? I could see Jerruh backing up the Brinks truck for him, considering Zeke's health, the Pollard injury, Saquon's star power (no pun intended), etc. Plus, it would be an amazing F*** YOU to the Giants.

I don't know Dallas's cap going into next year, but if he was available, it wouldn't surprise me to see Dallas makes a run at him (if they have the cap).

that would make me sick, by the way. I hate myself a little just for thinking it.

Depends on how much he wants.

He’s the only ‘headache’ player we have. Something to expand from not have less of. He’s good for the team. Good attitude and easy to root for.

Does anyone think a team will pay Barkley $16M per season? I’m not so sure. The rest of the league I’m sure paid attention to what happened in Carolina and now Tennessee when you spend big cash on RB vs. other positions.

I’m curious to see if Schoen is like we want you back, but $16M is a little high and let’s him hit the market. It sounds like Barkley wants to be a Giant so maybe they make some kind of gentleman’s agreement that he’ll come back to the Giants with an offer he gets elsewhere and asks them if they want to match.

All it takes is one delusional GM.

History shows will most likely happen given his age and position he plays?

All that money tied up and nothing to show for it.

I would not resign him. Why not draft the top running back in the draft and use the savings to improve the team in other areas.

you have to take into account that GMs don’t always see the risks the same ways fans do. And a 2 year $30m deal that’s almost fully guaranteed is pretty damn low risk for a sure fire playmaker.

I don’t think he’s getting a 5/$75m type deal, unless the guarantees were incredibly low (like $30m in which case it’s a lot of window dressing).

Letting him walk and taking it on the chin with his next contract, I’ll let him walk.

If the coach and GM think he's worth to the team what they end up paying for him, then good. If they think what he wants to be paid will hurt the team in the long run, then fine. I trust those two guys to make the right decision.

In comment 16017411 UConn4523 said:

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you have to take into account that GMs don’t always see the risks the same ways fans do. And a 2 year $30m deal that’s almost fully guaranteed is pretty damn low risk for a sure fire playmaker. I don’t think he’s getting a 5/$75m type deal, unless the guarantees were incredibly low (like $30m in which case it’s a lot of window dressing).

I agree a team may pay big for a 1-2 year deal. Kind of like the 49ers with CMC right now. A win now team that has a lot of guys on rookie deals and extra cap space. But does Barkley accept a contract that’s less than 3 years?

I think the Giants ought to let him walk.

We don’t have as much cap space as everyone thinks, especially after extending Love and Sexy, and probably signing DJ. We can use the $14-16M Barkley wants to address needs along the OL and LB, which frees us up to draft wisely rather than rashly.

I love Saquon, but RBs hit the wall hard when they’re done, and these days that’s after about six years. As Jerry Reese used to say - correctly - it’s better to cut ties with a player a year too early than a year too late.

That’s where we are with Saquon.

"fine" means. If you're asking do I want to lose him, no.

The Giants were just part of the final 8. They have tangible evidence they're moving in the right direction, and reason to keep this train rolling.

I'm fine using the available cap space to keep this team together, rather than sign expensive UFA's. I've grown to hate the expensive UFA unless it's a finishing piece. Focus on keeping the core intact (DJ, Barkley, Thomas, LW, Dexter & Love should all be locked up) and add another solid draft class.

But you not only have to ask is he worth the contract $ needed to retain but also - what else could that $ buy.

And, he's had some major injuries already

but TRADE FOR Tee Higgins who would cost us draft capital and he may also earn the same amount as Barkley.

I would much rather tag and then trade Barkley if that is at all possible. At least we would get something in return for him.

In comment 16017415 eric2425ny said:

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In comment 16017411 UConn4523 said: Quote: you have to take into account that GMs don’t always see the risks the same ways fans do. And a 2 year $30m deal that’s almost fully guaranteed is pretty damn low risk for a sure fire playmaker. I don’t think he’s getting a 5/$75m type deal, unless the guarantees were incredibly low (like $30m in which case it’s a lot of window dressing). I agree a team may pay big for a 1-2 year deal. Kind of like the 49ers with CMC right now. A win now team that has a lot of guys on rookie deals and extra cap space. But does Barkley accept a contract that’s less than 3 years?

All depends on guarantees. A 2 year $30m contract that’s almost fully guaranteed still sets him up for another payday at 28. Any long term deal he signs won’t have high guarantees so I don’t think it matters much.

would make more per year than franchising Barkley twice. And on top of it would cost Atleast our 1st and likely more. I don’t even think it’s an option and that’s before looking under the hood a bit and asking if he’s even going to live up to being paid as a top 5 player.

I'd try to use it to patch up the interior of the OL and ILB.

...we don't have a playoff season this year without him, and he played really well in the 2nd Washington game and both Minnesota games.

But he also was clearly gassed for most of the games in the 2nd half. Also the staff didn't feature him in the Philly playoff game.

So I am not sure he is worth $10-$12 million if he is not going to be the focus of the offense, AND he wears down late.

And $10-$12 million is the low end of what he'll sign for.

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In comment 16017392 GiantSteps said:

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if Saquon Barkley leaves, what's the likelihood he ends up in Dallas? I could see Jerruh backing up the Brinks truck for him, considering Zeke's health, the Pollard injury, Saquon's star power (no pun intended), etc. Plus, it would be an amazing F*** YOU to the Giants. I don't know Dallas's cap going into next year, but if he was available, it wouldn't surprise me to see Dallas makes a run at him (if they have the cap).

To the extent the Giants don't won't to overpay for Saquon, isn't it a good thing that Dallas would?

think Barkley and Love are both gone. Someone will offer them a lot more than what the Giants are willing to pay. Jones is going to cost a lot of money, and as someone else said, Thomas, Lawrence, and McKinney will be very expensive to resign. We can't afford everyone, and Barkley has had some injuries, including an ACL. The sliver of good news is that both will count in the comp pick formula calculations for 2024.

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In comment 16017392 GiantSteps said: Quote: if Saquon Barkley leaves, what's the likelihood he ends up in Dallas? I could see Jerruh backing up the Brinks truck for him, considering Zeke's health, the Pollard injury, Saquon's star power (no pun intended), etc. Plus, it would be an amazing F*** YOU to the Giants. I don't know Dallas's cap going into next year, but if he was available, it wouldn't surprise me to see Dallas makes a run at him (if they have the cap). To the extent the Giants don't won't to overpay for Saquon, isn't it a good thing that Dallas would?

Dallas is $5 mill over the cap right now. That is a lot of money to move around for another RB.

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But it will be a tough decision. He is a dominant player at times who we need but a dispassionate evaluation of the position and his injury history will make it hard to match his likely contract demands.

And by the way, I would not olay on the tag if I were him. He might have one more shot at a big payday. I would risk injury playing on the tag.

In comment 16017321 Chip said:

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tag Barkley. It's not that complicated. Then negotiate a long term contract with Barkley.

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