This team has so many holes and some homegrown talent that need to be retained and won’t be cheap (Lawrence, Jones, McKinney, Thomas). Leonard Williams carries a massive cap hit and the team has needs at WR, TE, IOL, DL depth, LB and CB. Barkley reportedly turned down $12 million AAV (apologize if that rumor was debunked). Barkley was the heart and soul of the offense last year but given his injury history and the track record of finding productive, cheap labor later in the draft (Pierce in Houston, Allegier in Atlanta, etc) I think dedicating a large portion of the cap to a RB is not sound team building in a salary cap league
How did the Giants do when Tiki retired?
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In comment 16018931 djm said:
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Who are we paying from the Barkley savings? Where is this guy? Some of you want to spend that money on another free agent running back, a vet FA running back, no less. So you want to downgrade at running back and spend probably $10 million on that FA downgrade and then do what, exactly? Where is the rest of that money going to that four or five extra million? No? I’m wrong? OK fine do you want to draft a running back and spend that 15 or so million where? Who is getting that money? What free agent wide receiver are we paying that money to?
I’m still wrong? Ok then. Why can’t we have two nice things on offense? Apparently teams don’t pay the running back in the quarterback? Yeah that’s bullshit. So we’re gonna save some money and let Barkley go and who the fuck are we paying that money to? where is this guy? And is he worth it? The FA wide receivers suck.
Don’t tell me you want to save money and let Barkley go just because of stupid made up nonsense about RBs not worth the money. Please offer me something better than that. Please explain to me why we’re gonna let a known commodity just leave “because running backs aren’t worth i it.” Please give me more than that.
A+ work
Quite the grading system you put in place here.
My post was meant to get people to think. Don't just offer up catch phrases. Offer up data. REAL data. Offer up something other than "you can't pay RBs" because I have refuted that line with facts. Teams do pay RBs. Well run teams at that.
The guy came into the NFL as one of the most talented players ever. That's not hyperbole. Facts. He virtually dominated as a rookie despite playing on a bad tea. Would have dominated 19 if not fore the ankle but still finishes with good numbers and countless wow plays. Sees his knee explode in 2020 and sure enough it impacts his 2021 season. The ankle injury didn't help in 21...so fine, we're worried about Barkley heading into 2021--there's NOTHING wrong with being worried prior to 2022, shit I even was right until late summer when reports kept coming in that he looked great in practice, but not until the first game was I convinced he was back.
HE goes on to play well all year long. Runs hard. Finishes runs as so many here demanded.
Not good enough? Go back to his skill set and pedigree and overall talent. Then imagine that talent playing in a loaded or very good offense. Then imagine that same player playing in that offense behind great offensive coaching.
There's plenty of reasons to believe 2022 was merely the beginning. That better times lie ahead and Barkley (and Jones) could be the big winners here.
What happens to good or great players when better players and coaching surround them and help their cause? Give up? Here is a refresher:
-Marshall Faulk going from indy to greatest show on turf
-Tiki Barber going from Fassel and solid surrounding to Coughlin and good to even great surrounding offensive talent.
-John Riggins from the Jets to Wash
-Matt Stafford from DET to the Rams
-Plunkett from NE to the Raiders
The list goes on and on. BArkley is an MVP caliber talent. I don't know HOW people can't see this. I ain't that fucking smart.
For me, the biggest issue is the position he plays. It's just not a position you can lock up a lot of money and resources in when you are rebuilding the rest of the roster. Its a position thats completely reliant on all other offensive positions and a position thats not hard to fill. Its hard to fill with HOF caliber players, but its not hard to fill year to year.
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In comment 16018931 djm said:
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Who are we paying from the Barkley savings? Where is this guy? Some of you want to spend that money on another free agent running back, a vet FA running back, no less. So you want to downgrade at running back and spend probably $10 million on that FA downgrade and then do what, exactly? Where is the rest of that money going to that four or five extra million? No? I’m wrong? OK fine do you want to draft a running back and spend that 15 or so million where? Who is getting that money? What free agent wide receiver are we paying that money to?
I’m still wrong? Ok then. Why can’t we have two nice things on offense? Apparently teams don’t pay the running back in the quarterback? Yeah that’s bullshit. So we’re gonna save some money and let Barkley go and who the fuck are we paying that money to? where is this guy? And is he worth it? The FA wide receivers suck.
Don’t tell me you want to save money and let Barkley go just because of stupid made up nonsense about RBs not worth the money. Please offer me something better than that. Please explain to me why we’re gonna let a known commodity just leave “because running backs aren’t worth i it.” Please give me more than that.
A+ work
Quite the grading system you put in place here.
My post was meant to get people to think. Don't just offer up catch phrases. Offer up data. REAL data. Offer up something other than "you can't pay RBs" because I have refuted that line with facts. Teams do pay RBs. Well run teams at that.
Ok, here's some real data because you feel like nobody but you is really thinking put there.
In 2022, the NYG tandem of Barkley, Breida and Brightwell had a combined cost of just over $9M against the cap for an avg cap spread of $3M for each.
Two really well run teams that just happen to be meeting in the Super Bowl next week have the following:
Philly - has Scott, Sanders, Gainwell and Sermon that combined cost only $5.2M against the cap for an avg spread of $1.3M for each.
KC - has Jones, McKinnon and Pacheco that combined cost $3.3M or an average of $1.1M each. They also have Hellaire on IR and his cap hit is $2.9M because he has been an underperforming first rd pick, yet they aren't missing a beat with him gone and just basically using Pacheco and McKinnon.
So now give Barkley $12M-$14M next year and re-run these numbers for the Giants and tell me why we shouldn't be spreading the running back money around more prudently than just giving it to one guy on an expensive second contract when we can get production like KC and Phil are seeing from a cheaper stable of backs? OR maybe we should go cheaper with RBs and use the excess to upgrade the Guard or Center position as well?
Let me know.