Rewatching the last few games and it's pretty evident that #1 priority is linebacker and run defense. Giants got consistently gashed in the run game. I know WR is the sexy pick, but Schoen tipped his hand during his post season conference. We need to upgrade lines and linebacker
Then, it always depends on how the draft goes. There are going to be plenty of needs to be filled. Run defense, pass defense, run blocking, pass blocking, receiving...
Totally agree.
iDk what they expect from Ezeudu and McKethan, but a good, preferably younger veteran IOL, Risner?, but especially C to anchor a middle pocket, would maker the run AND pass game more efficient.
WRs that get open AND catch would help matriculate the ball down the field as well.
I think they expect much from Davidson and Beavers to help the run D.
Can anyone pho shop a bizarre photo of Jalen Carter so he drops to, IDK, #25?
The Giants drafted a LB last year who looked to be exactly what they need. Unfortunately he got hurt and missed the year. He was drafted in the sixth round. McFadden got a lot of experience this year, when he was expected to be a backup. That's probably what he will be for his career. But a good LB can easily be found in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th round and even later. They will undoubtedly take a LB in this draft, and probably two (my god, can we get one who is good in coverage finally). But if you are the Giants, with all the holes they have, you only take one in the first round if he is a true game changer.
Yes, the teams needs depth on the DL, but that doesn't mean you take a DL in the first only to have him play one-third of the snaps because Lawrence and Williams will be playing most of them, especially if Martindale is here and continues to use his 2-4-5 defense. Davidson was taken to be that depth guy last year. Anderson was an undrafted free agent. What can he be with a full offseason in the weight room. I have no doubt they will take a DL in this draft, but do you really want to use a 1st round pick on a backup? In Martindale's defense, Thibs and Ojulari are the DEs, they just go by a different name.
People are screaming about the interior line. Well, last year they total Ezeudu and McKethan. Both showed good promise. Gates returned and improved as the season progressed. Bredeson improved greatly from the year before. They have Anderson, who actually showed some promise at guard, and Davis. Not to mention Phillips, who they might consider moving inside, and Lemieux. There are four guards on futures contracts. And they will take at least one, and likely two OL in this draft. But just like with LB, you only take one in the first round he there is no doubt immediate starter who will make a major difference on the line.
The point is you can't draft a surefire, immediate impact starter with every pick. At some point Giants fans have to understand that you have to give guys a chance to develop.
Last year's draft looks like it has a lot of potential. I trust this group to have another good one. And I hope the first rounder is a player who is a no doubt starter who can have a big impact on the team right away. And if that's the case, I don't give a damn what position he plays.
The Giants drafted a LB last year who looked to be exactly what they need. Unfortunately he got hurt and missed the year. He was drafted in the sixth round. McFadden got a lot of experience this year, when he was expected to be a backup. That's probably what he will be for his career. But a good LB can easily be found in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th round and even later. They will undoubtedly take a LB in this draft, and probably two (my god, can we get one who is good in coverage finally). But if you are the Giants, with all the holes they have, you only take one in the first round if he is a true game changer.
Yes, the teams needs depth on the DL, but that doesn't mean you take a DL in the first only to have him play one-third of the snaps because Lawrence and Williams will be playing most of them, especially if Martindale is here and continues to use his 2-4-5 defense. Davidson was taken to be that depth guy last year. Anderson was an undrafted free agent. What can he be with a full offseason in the weight room. I have no doubt they will take a DL in this draft, but do you really want to use a 1st round pick on a backup? In Martindale's defense, Thibs and Ojulari are the DEs, they just go by a different name.
People are screaming about the interior line. Well, last year they total Ezeudu and McKethan. Both showed good promise. Gates returned and improved as the season progressed. Bredeson improved greatly from the year before. They have Anderson, who actually showed some promise at guard, and Davis. Not to mention Phillips, who they might consider moving inside, and Lemieux. There are four guards on futures contracts. And they will take at least one, and likely two OL in this draft. But just like with LB, you only take one in the first round he there is no doubt immediate starter who will make a major difference on the line.
The point is you can't draft a surefire, immediate impact starter with every pick. At some point Giants fans have to understand that you have to give guys a chance to develop.
Last year's draft looks like it has a lot of potential. I trust this group to have another good one. And I hope the first rounder is a player who is a no doubt starter who can have a big impact on the team right away. And if that's the case, I don't give a damn what position he plays.
Good post
The Giants drafted a LB last year who looked to be exactly what they need. Unfortunately he got hurt and missed the year. He was drafted in the sixth round. McFadden got a lot of experience this year, when he was expected to be a backup. That's probably what he will be for his career. But a good LB can easily be found in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th round and even later. They will undoubtedly take a LB in this draft, and probably two (my god, can we get one who is good in coverage finally). But if you are the Giants, with all the holes they have, you only take one in the first round if he is a true game changer.
Yes, the teams needs depth on the DL, but that doesn't mean you take a DL in the first only to have him play one-third of the snaps because Lawrence and Williams will be playing most of them, especially if Martindale is here and continues to use his 2-4-5 defense. Davidson was taken to be that depth guy last year. Anderson was an undrafted free agent. What can he be with a full offseason in the weight room. I have no doubt they will take a DL in this draft, but do you really want to use a 1st round pick on a backup? In Martindale's defense, Thibs and Ojulari are the DEs, they just go by a different name.
People are screaming about the interior line. Well, last year they total Ezeudu and McKethan. Both showed good promise. Gates returned and improved as the season progressed. Bredeson improved greatly from the year before. They have Anderson, who actually showed some promise at guard, and Davis. Not to mention Phillips, who they might consider moving inside, and Lemieux. There are four guards on futures contracts. And they will take at least one, and likely two OL in this draft. But just like with LB, you only take one in the first round he there is no doubt immediate starter who will make a major difference on the line.
The point is you can't draft a surefire, immediate impact starter with every pick. At some point Giants fans have to understand that you have to give guys a chance to develop.
Last year's draft looks like it has a lot of potential. I trust this group to have another good one. And I hope the first rounder is a player who is a no doubt starter who can have a big impact on the team right away. And if that's the case, I don't give a damn what position he plays.
What a great post! This should get pinned for eternity.
Positional value is a thing.
I’d say a day two priority as I think we have greater day one needs. That said if a stud DL/DE somehow falls to us at 25 I won’t complain about it.
On defense we need an Eric Dorsey type left defensive end. Some big and strong who can two gap.
Add a linebacker like Sewell.
O line needs big maulers in the middle to take on philly. Not going to win the trenches with finass blockers.
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is they are the most impatient in the country. They expect everyone drafted in the first three or four rounds to come in a start and have a huge impact right away, and if they don't then they are considered a bad pick. Part of this is fans see a fourth rounder on another team who ends up being a stud and they complain that we haven't drafted well. Yet that fourth-round pick might be the only one in the entire NFL who is really having an impact on their team. But our fans see that and feel like every fourth rounder but our is a stud.
The Giants drafted a LB last year who looked to be exactly what they need. Unfortunately he got hurt and missed the year. He was drafted in the sixth round. McFadden got a lot of experience this year, when he was expected to be a backup. That's probably what he will be for his career. But a good LB can easily be found in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th round and even later. They will undoubtedly take a LB in this draft, and probably two (my god, can we get one who is good in coverage finally). But if you are the Giants, with all the holes they have, you only take one in the first round if he is a true game changer.
Yes, the teams needs depth on the DL, but that doesn't mean you take a DL in the first only to have him play one-third of the snaps because Lawrence and Williams will be playing most of them, especially if Martindale is here and continues to use his 2-4-5 defense. Davidson was taken to be that depth guy last year. Anderson was an undrafted free agent. What can he be with a full offseason in the weight room. I have no doubt they will take a DL in this draft, but do you really want to use a 1st round pick on a backup? In Martindale's defense, Thibs and Ojulari are the DEs, they just go by a different name.
People are screaming about the interior line. Well, last year they total Ezeudu and McKethan. Both showed good promise. Gates returned and improved as the season progressed. Bredeson improved greatly from the year before. They have Anderson, who actually showed some promise at guard, and Davis. Not to mention Phillips, who they might consider moving inside, and Lemieux. There are four guards on futures contracts. And they will take at least one, and likely two OL in this draft. But just like with LB, you only take one in the first round he there is no doubt immediate starter who will make a major difference on the line.
The point is you can't draft a surefire, immediate impact starter with every pick. At some point Giants fans have to understand that you have to give guys a chance to develop.
Last year's draft looks like it has a lot of potential. I trust this group to have another good one. And I hope the first rounder is a player who is a no doubt starter who can have a big impact on the team right away. And if that's the case, I don't give a damn what position he plays.
What a great post! This should get pinned for eternity.
Except for this part “But a good LB can easily be found in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th round and even later.”. The Giants have been deploying that strategy for years and we are still terrible at ILB. For all the optimism there was with Beavers, he’s now coming off a serious injury so there’s a huge question mark with him. Not to say we have to go ILB in the first round, but this idea that you can get a good LB in mid to late rounds is a myth for this team.
The Giants drafted a LB last year who looked to be exactly what they need. Unfortunately he got hurt and missed the year. He was drafted in the sixth round. McFadden got a lot of experience this year, when he was expected to be a backup. That's probably what he will be for his career. But a good LB can easily be found in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th round and even later. They will undoubtedly take a LB in this draft, and probably two (my god, can we get one who is good in coverage finally). But if you are the Giants, with all the holes they have, you only take one in the first round if he is a true game changer.
Yes, the teams needs depth on the DL, but that doesn't mean you take a DL in the first only to have him play one-third of the snaps because Lawrence and Williams will be playing most of them, especially if Martindale is here and continues to use his 2-4-5 defense. Davidson was taken to be that depth guy last year. Anderson was an undrafted free agent. What can he be with a full offseason in the weight room. I have no doubt they will take a DL in this draft, but do you really want to use a 1st round pick on a backup? In Martindale's defense, Thibs and Ojulari are the DEs, they just go by a different name.
People are screaming about the interior line. Well, last year they total Ezeudu and McKethan. Both showed good promise. Gates returned and improved as the season progressed. Bredeson improved greatly from the year before. They have Anderson, who actually showed some promise at guard, and Davis. Not to mention Phillips, who they might consider moving inside, and Lemieux. There are four guards on futures contracts. And they will take at least one, and likely two OL in this draft. But just like with LB, you only take one in the first round he there is no doubt immediate starter who will make a major difference on the line.
The point is you can't draft a surefire, immediate impact starter with every pick. At some point Giants fans have to understand that you have to give guys a chance to develop.
Last year's draft looks like it has a lot of potential. I trust this group to have another good one. And I hope the first rounder is a player who is a no doubt starter who can have a big impact on the team right away. And if that's the case, I don't give a damn what position he plays.
If we actually see guys develop, that will be a sea change.
We better see guys develop, because otherwise this team will be spinning its wheels for another 10 years.
Their teammate T.J. Edwards, a tackling machine at Wisconsin, was deemed too small, too slow, and too stiff. He signed with the Eagles as a UDFA. In March, some NFL team will make him a very rich young man. I suspect it won't be the Eagles.
There are lots of stories like this - including our own Blake Martinez, a late fourth-round pick by the Packers. Maybe the position is hard to project. Maybe teams overthink the process and undervalue production. Maybe injuries and development make the personnel process at every position impossible to control. Probably all of the above, and other factors too.