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NFT: Knicks chat: Week ahead and trade deadline next week

nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 8:37 am
A big homestand upcoming for the Knicks, Lakers, Heat, Clippers, Sixers all at home, if they can go 2-2 that would be fantastic. Just have to tread water during this tough stretch.

Trade deadline is next week and based on reports the most active talks are with Milwaukee surrounding Reddish and Grayson Allen.

I think the main objective for the Knicks is to get a wing defender who can shoot to come off the bench..

I think if they can do that with Quickley coming off the bench, the bench unit can become a strength again.

I like Mcbride but his inability to be a catch and shoot player is hurting them..

Quickley needs to be in the finishing group regardless, Grimes or Rj can be in based on how they are playing and situation.

Should be a fun week and hopefully we get some rumors
I'm not ready to see Grayson Allen in a Knick's uniform  
guitarguybs12 : 1/30/2023 8:41 am : link
and have to watch his fucking face on TV multiple times for a week
If Grayson Allen is a Knick  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/30/2023 8:45 am : link
I'm probably gonna boycott for a minimum of 5 games.

I doubt it happens. Nothing ever happens.
NO to Allen  
Heisenberg : 1/30/2023 8:46 am : link
fuck that guy


I still can't quite figure how inconsistent this team is, but that's a lot of star power coming through the Garden. Should be fun.


RE: NO to Allen  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 8:57 am : link
In comment 16019509 Heisenberg said:
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fuck that guy


I still can't quite figure how inconsistent this team is, but that's a lot of star power coming through the Garden. Should be fun.



I dont think its necassarily inconsistent, its just that some games the lack of a true star shines through..I think Brunson and Randle are 100% should be all stars, but they arent stars, Brunson can close games sometimes but Randle hasnt shown that abilith..

I also think the fit between Brunson, Rj and Randle is still a little clumsy and thats ehy the iso game comes into play to much
I'm completely serious when I say...  
Greg from LI : 1/30/2023 9:02 am : link
I will not follow the Knicks at all if they acquire that sack of shit. Won't watch them, won't discuss them, nothing. He's a disgrace to the game of basketball and his presence will be an insult.
RE: I'm completely serious when I say...  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 9:06 am : link
In comment 16019525 Greg from LI said:
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I will not follow the Knicks at all if they acquire that sack of shit. Won't watch them, won't discuss them, nothing. He's a disgrace to the game of basketball and his presence will be an insult.


hahaha i dont think they get Allen, i think their main target is OG and Reddish will go out for Ibaka and George Hill..
.  
Anakim : 1/30/2023 9:07 am : link
Weird NBA record thing:

The New York Knicks are one of five teams to have a losing record at home this season.

The other four teams:

Charlotte Hornets
Detroit Pistons
Houston Rockets
San Antonio Spurs

Otherwise known as the worst four teams in the NBA so far this season.
Shams has a report  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 9:12 am : link
Crowder to Bucks seems to be heating up, But Suns and Milwaukee are looking for a 3rd team wonder if this is where Knicks come into play with Reddish..

Suns have given permission to Crowder to speak to Milwaukee, i would assume about role and contract..

Knicks and Suns are both interested in OG, Kniicks have shown a willingness to offer multiple first round picks..It comes down to if Toronto is willing to trade him
Also Toronto has informed teams  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 9:14 am : link
they will make a decision on being buyers or sellers closer to the deadline
OG sprained his wrist a couple of games ago  
bceagle05 : 1/30/2023 9:30 am : link
and has been out. Luckily it wasn't fractured - he landed on it awkwardly.
RJB + draft comp (unsure of what it will take)  
NYG22 : 1/30/2023 9:44 am : link
would be my offer for OG
RE: RJB + draft comp (unsure of what it will take)  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 9:48 am : link
In comment 16019571 NYG22 said:
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would be my offer for OG


Rj is very difficult to trade right now
If Toronto is going to be a seller, they've got a lot of talent to  
Ira : 1/30/2023 9:58 am : link
talk about.
I think Kawhi wants point guard help in LA.  
bceagle05 : 1/30/2023 10:07 am : link
I'm sure Fred VanVleet would be on their radar. Love to punt him to the Western Conference, if not the moon.
I want Allen so bad.  
Kmed6000 : 1/30/2023 10:07 am : link
That would be a huge get for the Knicks.
OG is good and would obviously  
Enzo : 1/30/2023 10:10 am : link
help but he doesn't move the needle enough to start giving up our future unprotected picks IMO. Certainly would be willing to discuss the other picks we have coming. What's interesting to me is what the Knicks' interest in OG signals about how they feel about RJ.
RJ has the poison pill, no?  
Anakim : 1/30/2023 10:11 am : link
I doubt they could trade him this season
The Knicks aren't going to do much.  
Kmed6000 : 1/30/2023 10:11 am : link
I don't see us overpaying for OG. I don't see any other great players available that work. I don't think they would trade Randle or RJ midseason when we are in the hunt for the playoffs. I expect Reddish for a 2nd, maybe 2. More of the same.
RE: I want Allen so bad.  
BigBlueShock : 1/30/2023 10:15 am : link
In comment 16019595 Kmed6000 said:
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That would be a huge get for the Knicks.

I can’t tell if you’re serious or just trolling Greg, lol
The thing with OG  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 10:18 am : link
you have to make sure Thibs would be willing to take advantage of his versatility and play him at the 4 or will he stick with 2 bigs..

You could close with randle, OG, Rj, Quivk or grimes and Brunson against most teams and the spacing and perimiter defense would be fantastic..

With a lot of these guys it’s the old grass is always greener  
steve in ky : 1/30/2023 10:19 am : link
They need to save their picks for s real difference maker and if not that keep building through the draft.

RE: With a lot of these guys it’s the old grass is always greener  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 10:20 am : link
In comment 16019612 steve in ky said:
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They need to save their picks for s real difference maker and if not that keep building through the draft.


I think they have plenty of picks to be able to trade for OG and then in the offseason make a trade for a star..

and i only think they need 1
RE: RE: I want Allen so bad.  
Kmed6000 : 1/30/2023 10:25 am : link
In comment 16019604 BigBlueShock said:
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That would be a huge get for the Knicks.


I can’t tell if you’re serious or just trolling Greg, lol


Oh I'm dead serious, but the reason I want him so bad is mostly because of Greg. His irrational hatred of college players and continuing that for their careers is one of the most annoying things on bbi for me. Then there are people that follow his lead. Therefore, I want it!
The Knicks don't need a star to be true contenders.  
Kmed6000 : 1/30/2023 10:29 am : link
They need a mega star. Brunson and Randle are stars, but neither is a batman, they are robins and Randle is a flawed Robin. I think the Knicks would be much better off trading RJ and Randle in the offseason if they can get assets(as opposed to a salary dump). I'd trade Ranle now, but the Knicks would never.
Ujiri  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 10:34 am : link
is going to pants the Knicks here isn't he?
Nba  
TyreeHelmet : 1/30/2023 10:36 am : link
Has there ever been a season with so few trades? Unless I’m missing something there has barely been any trades this year and doesn’t seem to have any major trades in the works.
If the Knicks didn't get abused  
Kmed6000 : 1/30/2023 10:37 am : link
for Donovan Mitchell, a borderline mega star, I don't think they'll get abused for OG.

What is a fair trade ceiling for OG? What is the most you'd be willing to give up?

For me, I'd trade Obi, McBride, and up to 1 lightly protected draft pick(maybe top 10)and 1 of the traded firsts we have. If none of our own, up to 3 of the traded picks.
RE: Nba  
Kmed6000 : 1/30/2023 10:37 am : link
In comment 16019642 TyreeHelmet said:
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Has there ever been a season with so few trades? Unless I’m missing something there has barely been any trades this year and doesn’t seem to have any major trades in the works.


I think a part of that is that more teams are playoff contenders now because of the play in.
RE: Ujiri  
Strahan91 : 1/30/2023 10:38 am : link
In comment 16019639 DanMetroMan said:
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is going to pants the Knicks here isn't he?

I personally think Rose and co are a bit too conservative and afraid to take bigger swings/risks but in this case it does work in their favor. Hard to see them get fleeced, I think they just won't wind up sealing the deal instead.
RE: Nba  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 10:53 am : link
In comment 16019642 TyreeHelmet said:
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Has there ever been a season with so few trades? Unless I’m missing something there has barely been any trades this year and doesn’t seem to have any major trades in the works.


The teams that are selling or on the brink have set high prices for their role players..

They will go down as you get closer..I also think certain teams are afraid to blow it up, like the Bulls and Raptors..

rewind to the 2015 NCAA Final Game in Indy  
AG5686 : 1/30/2023 11:21 am : link
My college roommate and I flew to Indy without a ticket.
Wisconsin,my alma mater,was in the final against Coach K and Duke.
We were all set to finally win a NATTYYYYY,when some Freshman came off the bench and took over the game.
That Kid's name was Grayson Allen.
So forgive me if I am biased in this conversation.
I’m not against Allen if it’s largely Reddish  
steve in ky : 1/30/2023 1:02 pm : link
He needs to move before deadline or we get nothing in return for him
RE: Nba  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/30/2023 4:15 pm : link
In comment 16019642 TyreeHelmet said:
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Has there ever been a season with so few trades? Unless I’m missing something there has barely been any trades this year and doesn’t seem to have any major trades in the works.


The gobert trade's side effect is everyone thinks their bench players are worth first round picks now.
Trade the coach  
ElitoCanton : 1/30/2023 4:38 pm : link
this team ain't winning shit as long as his stubborn ass is the coach
RE: OG is good and would obviously  
CornerStone246+17 : 1/30/2023 4:42 pm : link
In comment 16019598 Enzo said:
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help but he doesn't move the needle enough to start giving up our future unprotected picks IMO. Certainly would be willing to discuss the other picks we have coming. What's interesting to me is what the Knicks' interest in OG signals about how they feel about RJ.


OG is probably a precursor move to trading RJ and landing a superstar...he is an excellent complimentary piece to a championship team potentially. He is the young Draymond Green of the NBA. Many of the championship teams have that kind of player on the roster.
RE: RE: Nba  
BigBlueShock : 1/30/2023 4:50 pm : link
In comment 16020163 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Has there ever been a season with so few trades? Unless I’m missing something there has barely been any trades this year and doesn’t seem to have any major trades in the works.



The gobert trade's side effect is everyone thinks their bench players are worth first round picks now.

I agree with this and I also believe that deal had an effect on the negotiations for Mitchell
RE: RE: OG is good and would obviously  
Enzo : 1/30/2023 4:53 pm : link
In comment 16020183 CornerStone246+17 said:
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help but he doesn't move the needle enough to start giving up our future unprotected picks IMO. Certainly would be willing to discuss the other picks we have coming. What's interesting to me is what the Knicks' interest in OG signals about how they feel about RJ.



OG is probably a precursor move to trading RJ and landing a superstar...he is an excellent complimentary piece to a championship team potentially. He is the young Draymond Green of the NBA. Many of the championship teams have that kind of player on the roster.

Draymond and OG may have some similarities as defenders, but that's where the comparison ends. They're quite different offensively.
RE: RE: RE: OG is good and would obviously  
CornerStone246+17 : 1/30/2023 5:03 pm : link
In comment 16020192 Enzo said:
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help but he doesn't move the needle enough to start giving up our future unprotected picks IMO. Certainly would be willing to discuss the other picks we have coming. What's interesting to me is what the Knicks' interest in OG signals about how they feel about RJ.



OG is probably a precursor move to trading RJ and landing a superstar...he is an excellent complimentary piece to a championship team potentially. He is the young Draymond Green of the NBA. Many of the championship teams have that kind of player on the roster.


Draymond and OG may have some similarities as defenders, but that's where the comparison ends. They're quite different offensively.


Sure but both while elite top 5 NBA defenders in their prime that can gaurd mutliple positions both also have an offensive game and are not Frank Nkitilinas out there either.
Draymond  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 5:05 pm : link
Green is going to the HOF and has averaged 5.5 assists for his career, 7.2 since turning 25 (Anunoby's age now) OG has averaged 1.5 for his career. OG is a very solid NBA player, he's nowhere, nowhere near Draymond Green.

.  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 5:07 pm : link
NBACentral
@TheNBACentral
The Nuggets believe they have traction on potentially acquiring a first-round pick for Bones Hyland, per @msinger
RE: Draymond  
CornerStone246+17 : 1/30/2023 5:10 pm : link
In comment 16020206 DanMetroMan said:
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Green is going to the HOF and has averaged 5.5 assists for his career, 7.2 since turning 25 (Anunoby's age now) OG has averaged 1.5 for his career. OG is a very solid NBA player, he's nowhere, nowhere near Draymond Green.


Point taken the offensive game is not Draymonds . But he came intot je NBA very raw and has improved every year offensively. He may never be Green offensively but he is already a decent offensive player and could still improve a bit more. That said in no way should he command a Superstar haul but Obi and 2 picks or 3 picks with 2 protected I would do.
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DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 5:12 pm : link
In comment 16020208 DanMetroMan said:
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NBACentral
@TheNBACentral
The Nuggets believe they have traction on potentially acquiring a first-round pick for Bones Hyland, per @msinger


Bones Highland is a solid player, and I could see a contender giving up a 1 for him pretty easily but I don't see him being a great fit with the Knicks roster.
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nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 5:17 pm : link
In comment 16020214 DanMetroMan said:
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NBACentral
@TheNBACentral
The Nuggets believe they have traction on potentially acquiring a first-round pick for Bones Hyland, per @msinger



Bones Highland is a solid player, and I could see a contender giving up a 1 for him pretty easily but I don't see him being a great fit with the Knicks roster.


I was just coming to post this, i havnt watched enough of Denver but i thought he was having a good year...How is his defense?
Nuggets  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 5:19 pm : link
fans "open" to trading him all trash his defense. Said it's hard having him out there late in games.
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 5:22 pm : link
like his defense, "fit with" Jokic and the emergence of Christian Braun are the reasons they are giving for being open to moving him. A lot of people trashing his defense though.
RE: Nuggets  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 5:24 pm : link
In comment 16020218 DanMetroMan said:
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fans "open" to trading him all trash his defense. Said it's hard having him out there late in games.


interesting than yeah
Zach Lowe  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 5:25 pm : link
"8. Bones Hyland can't be a sinkhole on defense The Denver Nuggets are second in offensive efficiency and 28th in defense, and face some stark lineup choices in trying to fix the latter without chipping away at the former. Some of those choices probably aren't as black and white as they seemed a few months ago.

Two defense-first types -- Aaron Gordon and Bruce Brown -- are thriving on offense orbiting Nikola Jokic. Michael Porter Jr. will always skew offense, but he's made strides on the other end.

Next up: Hyland, their brash sixth man, shooting 44% on 3s and building bob-and-weave pick-and-roll chemistry with Jokic. Denver needs Hyland's offense in its endless quest to tread water when Jokic rests. When great defenses take away the easy stuff, the Nuggets will be tempted to shove Hyland into crunch-time lineups alongside Jokic, Jamal Murray, and perhaps Porter.

The Nuggets don't need Hyland to be a good defender, or even an average one. Apex scorers will hunt him, and the Nuggets know how to rotate and cover for that. What they can't absorb is Hyland igniting fires all over the floor, against every rote action.

(Missing embedded video here of Hyland going under a screen and getting completely caught to give up an open 3)

Hyland flubs the most basic pindown imaginable for Shaedon Sharpe. Screen navigation on and off the ball is a constant issue. If Hyland wants to play major postseason minutes, he has to clean this stuff up. He ranks dead last among all players in defensive estimated plus-minus and 445th in ESPN's adjusted defensive plus-minus."
I do think OG is the best fit and move to make  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 5:27 pm : link
seems like there is smoke and an offer on the table if Toronto decides to sell off some pieces. I guess if you want OG, root for Toronto lose on this road trip that ends Feb 5th
It's  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 5:28 pm : link
believed the Knicks and Suns have been the most aggressive on OG with "other teams" also involved.
Sounds like the offer was/is fair...  
bceagle05 : 1/30/2023 5:31 pm : link
Three firsts - two protected and one unprotected. If someone tops it, or Toronto demands more - oh well.
RE: Sounds like the offer was/is fair...  
larryflower37 : 1/30/2023 6:01 pm : link
In comment 16020236 bceagle05 said:
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Three firsts - two protected and one unprotected. If someone tops it, or Toronto demands more - oh well.

Who are the players involved?
Salaries don't match unless you an expiring contract like Rose and Cam
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/30/2023 6:15 pm : link
I'd vomit if we end up with Grayson Allen.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/30/2023 6:28 pm : link
A team like the Bulls should blow it up. Chicago is treading water @ this point. They blew it with that Vooch trade for Wendall Carter & the pick that became Franz Wagner.
RE: Sounds like the offer was/is fair...  
steve in ky : 1/30/2023 6:30 pm : link
In comment 16020236 bceagle05 said:
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Three firsts - two protected and one unprotected. If someone tops it, or Toronto demands more - oh well.


Did the Knicks actually offer this, or this speculation?

That seems steep for OG IMO
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/30/2023 6:31 pm : link
I agree w/ Steve. That seems like a steep price for OG. Then again...after what Gobert fetched...what the hell do I know?
I'm ok dealing  
Enzo : 1/30/2023 6:39 pm : link
our unprotected first in the upcoming draft for a guy like OG and then throwing in a protected first or perhaps two. But I'm not including unprotected picks down the road. They're too valuable in the current market to be trading them for a non all star - who you likely have to pay big money to after next season. If that's not good enough, you walk away.
OG is a nice piece  
larryflower37 : 1/30/2023 7:12 pm : link
But doesn't move the needle very much and you are going to need to pay him next year or lose him.
I can't see giving up too much for him .
RE: OG is a nice piece  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 7:14 pm : link
In comment 16020347 larryflower37 said:
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But doesn't move the needle very much and you are going to need to pay him next year or lose him.
I can't see giving up too much for him .


I think the plan is to get him and then frees uo some other llahers on the team to go get a star..

I like the idea of RJ+ for OG since that's who he'd replace. It would  
Ira : 1/30/2023 7:28 pm : link
be an upgrade on defense and improve our outside shooting. I'm not sure who or what picks would be the +, but that's the framework I'd like.
RE: RE: OG is a nice piece  
larryflower37 : 1/30/2023 7:39 pm : link
In comment 16020349 nygiants16 said:
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But doesn't move the needle very much and you are going to need to pay him next year or lose him.
I can't see giving up too much for him .



I think the plan is to get him and then frees uo some other llahers on the team to go get a star..

That's speculation on your part that has never been mentioned in any reports.
At 22 years old RJs upside is higher than OG while OG defense is definitely better, his shooting splits are not leaps ahead of RJ especially with the age difference.
I think the Knicks are looking add OG to this current lineup to improve over Grimes lack of scoring as a 4th option and wing defender.
Alan Hahn made a post on facebook  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 7:39 pm : link
with the point that Rj could move to the bench and become a dynamic duo off the bench with Quick...Rj has his contract, so he may be ok with it..He come in and just worry about scoring
Yea, just going to leave  
Jan in DC : 1/30/2023 9:53 pm : link
this reddit thread here for everyone who wants to trade for OG.
Some interesting stats... - ( New Window )
RE: Yea, just going to leave  
Del Shofner : 1/30/2023 10:02 pm : link
In comment 16020446 Jan in DC said:
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this reddit thread here for everyone who wants to trade for OG. Some interesting stats... - ( New Window )


Yikes
from one of those links:  
Enzo : 1/30/2023 10:09 pm : link
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Fewest PPP on Post-Ups (Min. 40 Poss.):

1. Kyle Kuzma: 0.667
2. O.G. Anunoby: 0.708
3. Evan Mobley: 0.750
4. R.J. Barrett: 0.787
5. Julius Randle: 0.792
RE: Yea, just going to leave  
Strahan91 : 1/30/2023 10:09 pm : link
In comment 16020446 Jan in DC said:
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this reddit thread here for everyone who wants to trade for OG. Some interesting stats... - ( New Window )

You’re not trading for OG Anunoby for his pull-ups and iso scoring prowess
RE: RE: Yea, just going to leave  
Jan in DC : 1/30/2023 11:18 pm : link
In comment 16020457 Strahan91 said:
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this reddit thread here for everyone who wants to trade for OG. Some interesting stats... - ( New Window )


You’re not trading for OG Anunoby for his pull-ups and iso scoring prowess


Does Thibs know that?
RE: from one of those links:  
BigBlueShock : 1/31/2023 8:02 am : link
In comment 16020456 Enzo said:
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Fewest PPP on Post-Ups (Min. 40 Poss.):

1. Kyle Kuzma: 0.667
2. O.G. Anunoby: 0.708
3. Evan Mobley: 0.750
4. R.J. Barrett: 0.787
5. Julius Randle: 0.792


Seems like he’d fit right in here
Something just doesn't make sense to me.....  
Kmed6000 : 1/31/2023 10:17 am : link
How are the Raptors so bad? They are 23-29.

Siakam, VanVleet, Anunoby, Trent Jr, Barnes.....all good ballplayers.
RE: Something just doesn't make sense to me.....  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2023 10:23 am : link
In comment 16020598 Kmed6000 said:
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How are the Raptors so bad? They are 23-29.

Siakam, VanVleet, Anunoby, Trent Jr, Barnes.....all good ballplayers.


I think they have to many mouths to feed and guys arent willing to take a lesser role or effect the game in another way..

Barnes and Siakim are clearly their top 2 players at least according to the organization and everything runs through them. They also occupy the same space, even with Siakim able to step out and hit a 3..

FVV has struggled with his shot (except when he plays the Knicks) and he is not really a distributor so he is looking for his shot more. So now thats 3 guys who look for their shot..

Trent Jr i think is 1 of the guys who actually accepts a lesser role, he is a good defender, who can shoot the 3 and play off the ball..

OG i think can be an offf the ball player, his value is obviously his defense but again he is the 4th maybe 5th option on the team so is he really being used properly?

They have no size, their bench is lacking and Nurse is like Thibs, plays his starters big minutes and really doesnt adjust much
RE: Something just doesn't make sense to me.....  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2023 10:30 am : link
In comment 16020598 Kmed6000 said:
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How are the Raptors so bad? They are 23-29.

Siakam, VanVleet, Anunoby, Trent Jr, Barnes.....all good ballplayers.


Apparently, there are major chemistry problems (including the fact a few guys feel underpaid by the Raptors, FVV for one) Barnes has also regressed and there is a "feeling" there is pretty major regret they didn't pull the trigger on the Nets/Durant ask.
Honestly I think Trent may be a better target  
Stu11 : 1/31/2023 10:31 am : link
He'll cost less because he's a rental and he's a damn good shooter and good defender and as you said giants16 he accepts a lesser role well
RE: Honestly I think Trent may be a better target  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2023 10:34 am : link
In comment 16020613 Stu11 said:
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He'll cost less because he's a rental and he's a damn good shooter and good defender and as you said giants16 he accepts a lesser role well


Flip side is that many teams are reportedly interested for those very same reasons.
RE: Honestly I think Trent may be a better target  
Anakim : 1/31/2023 10:36 am : link
In comment 16020613 Stu11 said:
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He'll cost less because he's a rental and he's a damn good shooter and good defender and as you said giants16 he accepts a lesser role well


The more Dukies, the better :P
I like OG and i want OG  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2023 10:53 am : link
and i want to see how it works with him for the rest of the season, BUT i do think this will lead to another trade in the offseason..

I think for it to work with this current roster, Rj is going to have to take a step back and Thibs is going to have to be versatile with his wings..

If you trade Obi in the deal, i dont want to see Hart and Sims off the bench, i want OG playing the backup 4..

I want to see lineups with Randle at the 5 next OG, Rj , Quick or Grimes and Brunson..
RE: I like OG and i want OG  
steve in ky : 1/31/2023 11:14 am : link
In comment 16020643 nygiants16 said:
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and i want to see how it works with him for the rest of the season, BUT i do think this will lead to another trade in the offseason..

I think for it to work with this current roster, Rj is going to have to take a step back and Thibs is going to have to be versatile with his wings..

If you trade Obi in the deal, i dont want to see Hart and Sims off the bench, i want OG playing the backup 4..

I want to see lineups with Randle at the 5 next OG, Rj , Quick or Grimes and Brunson..


Basketball Reference’s site doesn’t show him having any games at PF, and while I’m sure Toronto has gone small at times I’d be a little concerned trading Obi and not having a legitimate PF in case Randle were to get injured
RE: RE: I like OG and i want OG  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2023 11:23 am : link
In comment 16020673 steve in ky said:
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and i want to see how it works with him for the rest of the season, BUT i do think this will lead to another trade in the offseason..

I think for it to work with this current roster, Rj is going to have to take a step back and Thibs is going to have to be versatile with his wings..

If you trade Obi in the deal, i dont want to see Hart and Sims off the bench, i want OG playing the backup 4..

I want to see lineups with Randle at the 5 next OG, Rj , Quick or Grimes and Brunson..



Basketball Reference’s site doesn’t show him having any games at PF, and while I’m sure Toronto has gone small at times I’d be a little concerned trading Obi and not having a legitimate PF in case Randle were to get injured


The backup PF position is basically 10 to 15 minutes a night, OG is big enough to play the backup 4 with the bench..

The thing with Toronto is they are the definition of positionless basketball, Siakim is their stsrting center..
Begley mentioned a Melo reunion  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2023 11:24 am : link
in one of his recent mailbags, and Begley's not the type to just throw stuff out there as clickbait. I could see that happening for the final 30 games or so if Obi and/or Cam is traded. I don't love the idea, but they would need an extra body at least.
apparently  
Enzo : 1/31/2023 11:36 am : link
the players on the Raptors are not the only ones who may be on the move. There's some noise around Nurse as well. If and when they move on from Thibs, he's a guy they should look at.
RE: apparently  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2023 11:39 am : link
In comment 16020707 Enzo said:
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the players on the Raptors are not the only ones who may be on the move. There's some noise around Nurse as well. If and when they move on from Thibs, he's a guy they should look at.


the same issues fans have with Nurse are the same with Thibs, over plays his starters and not a lot of adjustments
RE: apparently  
Anakim : 1/31/2023 11:41 am : link
In comment 16020707 Enzo said:
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the players on the Raptors are not the only ones who may be on the move. There's some noise around Nurse as well. If and when they move on from Thibs, he's a guy they should look at.


I hope they move on from Ujiri and we hire him to replace Leon. Ah, wishful thinking.
Scott Foster the lead official for tonights game  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2023 11:49 am : link
Exoect Lebron to get 15 free throws tonight..I honestly dont see how the Knicks win tonight..
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DanMetroMan : 1/31/2023 11:51 am : link
“There’s been some speculation from a few rival executives that the Memphis Grizzlies could make a run at O.G. Anunoby, given their surplus of draft picks in the years to come,” Michael Scotto reported for HoopsHype. “… There was also a report out there, I believe from the Toronto Star, that one mystery team previously offered three first-round picks for Anunoby. … I don’t see Toronto getting a better package than that for him.”
According to Shams  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2023 12:02 pm : link
Toronto are now takong calls on OG, Seems like its between Suns and Knicks for him..

I could see the Suns offering up 3 unprotected 1sts
RE: According to Shams  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2023 12:03 pm : link
In comment 16020734 nygiants16 said:
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Toronto are now takong calls on OG, Seems like its between Suns and Knicks for him..

I could see the Suns offering up 3 unprotected 1sts


Their new owner reportedly has told their FO they have his full support if they choose to be ultra aggressive.
I mean three unprotected for OG?  
Heisenberg : 1/31/2023 12:05 pm : link
If the suns offer that, the Raptors should jump on it.
cost of OG most likely doesnt fit the player...  
Italianju : 1/31/2023 12:07 pm : link
and i say that as a fan of OG. He just doesnt feel like a guy you give up 3 firsts and Obi for (and im just about done with this version of Obi as a 3 pt shooter). OG is an elite defender and solid shooter, but thats about it. Very little offensive game outside of that. He feels like the guy you hope to draft (Grimes...) who is a solid starter on a good team. Not the kind of guy you give up 3 firsts and a young player for.

ALthough trading firsts in the nba is starting to feel like the initial talk on an NFL contract. You hear these crazy NFL contracts and then the guaranteed money/structure isnt that bad. In the NBA you can get 3 firsts but with the protections these days that might not be shit. I mean do the knicks trade the Raptors the Bucks pick, another pick and one of their own with top 25 protections? Well thats not that bad, ha. ANd im not saying TOR does that, just saying we see these deals where a team gives up a first and its like "OVERPAY!" then you see its top 25 protected, then top 20 protected, then top 18 protected, then it turns into some second round pick, ha.
I hang up the phone  
Enzo : 1/31/2023 12:10 pm : link
immediately if the ask for OG is multiple unprotected firsts. The only one I would give up is this year's.
Suns are a weird fit...  
Italianju : 1/31/2023 12:14 pm : link
does this mean they dont love Cam Johnson? If so would they mind trading him to the knicks!
RE: Suns are a weird fit...  
Strahan91 : 1/31/2023 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16020751 Italianju said:
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does this mean they dont love Cam Johnson? If so would they mind trading him to the knicks!

Rumor is that Cam would be in the deal
Seems like it would be weird and out of character  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2023 12:37 pm : link
For the Knicks to get into a bidding war for OG. If multiple teams are in I don't expect them to be that agressive
OG  
TyreeHelmet : 1/31/2023 12:49 pm : link
is not the guy I want the Knicks to be unloading their clip on.

You never know in the NBA and things change quickly, but who is the next possible star to become available via trade?

Lillard, KAT...maybe Lamelo Ball or Trae Young? I really don't see a likely target for the Knicks unless maybe Anthony Davis is moved.
RE: RE: RE: I like OG and i want OG  
steve in ky : 1/31/2023 12:59 pm : link
In comment 16020687 nygiants16 said:
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and i want to see how it works with him for the rest of the season, BUT i do think this will lead to another trade in the offseason..

I think for it to work with this current roster, Rj is going to have to take a step back and Thibs is going to have to be versatile with his wings..

If you trade Obi in the deal, i dont want to see Hart and Sims off the bench, i want OG playing the backup 4..

I want to see lineups with Randle at the 5 next OG, Rj , Quick or Grimes and Brunson..



Basketball Reference’s site doesn’t show him having any games at PF, and while I’m sure Toronto has gone small at times I’d be a little concerned trading Obi and not having a legitimate PF in case Randle were to get injured



The backup PF position is basically 10 to 15 minutes a night, OG is big enough to play the backup 4 with the bench..

The thing with Toronto is they are the definition of positionless basketball, Siakim is their stsrting center..


That doesn’t address my point about if Randle were to be injured
RE: OG  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2023 1:18 pm : link
In comment 16020801 TyreeHelmet said:
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is not the guy I want the Knicks to be unloading their clip on.

You never know in the NBA and things change quickly, but who is the next possible star to become available via trade?

Lillard, KAT...maybe Lamelo Ball or Trae Young? I really don't see a likely target for the Knicks unless maybe Anthony Davis is moved.


Trading for OG does not stop them from trading for a star
OG would preclude them trading for a star  
Heisenberg : 1/31/2023 1:21 pm : link
if they gave up a lot of unprotected picks. Definitely need those for a star.
Knicks have talked to Detroit about Saddiq Bey  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2023 1:29 pm : link
according to Begely
OG and Bey are good players but what does that do to the rotation?  
Heisenberg : 1/31/2023 1:35 pm : link
Are we letting RJ come off the bench and be the focus of the second unit? Kicking Grimes to the second unit?

I guess it would free up RJ for a summertime trade? But it doesn't make the roster make a lot of sense now.
would make the most sense to put RJ on the bench..  
Italianju : 1/31/2023 1:38 pm : link
to carry the second unit with IQ (Who kinda does this now a lot as he is the first of our top 3 to hit the bench and the first to come bacK). He can still get 30 minutes a night off the bench. But odds are it would kick Grimes to the bench and McBride out of the rotation.
Thing is...  
Jan in DC : 1/31/2023 1:56 pm : link
We're never running a small lineup out there. If you get OG, you're never going to see him and Randle on the floor as the 4 and 5 with Thibs as coach. I feel like that lack of creativity limits the benefit for trading for a player like Ananoby. I'm fully against it, mostly because I don't think it's a dramatic upgrade and would necessitate trading multiple 1sts.
McBride *should* be out of the rotation  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2023 2:01 pm : link
He's the new Ntilikina, a player so unrelentingly useless on offense that no level of defense can offset it.
RE: Knicks have talked to Detroit about Saddiq Bey  
Anakim : 1/31/2023 2:04 pm : link
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according to Begely


That would be awesome. Big fan of Bey since college
RE: McBride *should* be out of the rotation  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2023 2:10 pm : link
In comment 16020894 Greg from LI said:
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He's the new Ntilikina, a player so unrelentingly useless on offense that no level of defense can offset it.


I like Mcbride but i think he is the main rotstion guy that needs to be upgraded..

His inability to hit the catch and shoot 3 has killed them in games, especially with how good Quickley is getting into the paint
Quentin Grimes is in the  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2023 2:15 pm : link
Rising stars game
You don't give up 3 unprotected picks  
larryflower37 : 1/31/2023 2:21 pm : link
For a role player.
OG is not adding a win to this current team, I hope they walk away from this.
I can't see giving 2 unprotected for OG.
McBride might turn into  
Enzo : 1/31/2023 2:28 pm : link
something but right now he's a liability. I'd rather they dust off Fournier or Rose when they need bench minutes.
Yeah, Deuce is fun on defense and brutal on offense.  
Heisenberg : 1/31/2023 2:32 pm : link
Really can't shoot at this point, even free throws. Best thing you can say about him is that he lights up the G league and his college stats are solid. But yeah, he's maybe more of a detraction on offense as he is a plus on defense.
RE: You don't give up 3 unprotected picks  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2023 2:36 pm : link
In comment 16020940 larryflower37 said:
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For a role player.
OG is not adding a win to this current team, I hope they walk away from this.
I can't see giving 2 unprotected for OG.


I wouldnt do it but hes going to go for 3 1sts, 1 unprotected, 1 lightly protected and than 1 lottery portected more than likely..

The position he plays is highly coveted
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DanMetroMan : 1/31/2023 2:51 pm : link
“The Chicago Bulls don't know why Lonzo Ball is still feeling pain in his knee. The medical staff doesn't know why there is still pain. Lonzo and his camp also don't know why.” 😔

- @ChiSportUpdates
I hate  
djm : 1/31/2023 2:52 pm : link
how I just want the Knicks to do something. Dangerous way to think luckily I don't run the team. Not sure why I can't just enjoy a nice little 46 win season and wait for the off-season. Maybe it's because the off-seasons have yielded so little around here.

It sure seems like superstar players moved around a lot more often when the Knicks had no cap space/tradable assets and flexibility.

Where is that top 15 player who is growing angrier and angrier with his current digs and wants MSG. Where you at.

RE: I hate  
Heisenberg : 1/31/2023 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16020989 djm said:
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how I just want the Knicks to do something. Dangerous way to think luckily I don't run the team. Not sure why I can't just enjoy a nice little 46 win season and wait for the off-season. Maybe it's because the off-seasons have yielded so little around here.

It sure seems like superstar players moved around a lot more often when the Knicks had no cap space/tradable assets and flexibility.

Where is that top 15 player who is growing angrier and angrier with his current digs and wants MSG. Where you at.


To quote Joe Schoen, don't shop hungry. Hopefully they don't force something big at the deadline just because we're all hungry for a big improvement.
RE: McBride might turn into  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2023 4:09 pm : link
In comment 16020953 Enzo said:
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something but right now he's a liability. I'd rather they dust off Fournier or Rose when they need bench minutes.


Sure. He's still very young. Right now, though, he doesn't belong in the NBA.
RE: RE: McBride might turn into  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2023 4:16 pm : link
In comment 16021063 Greg from LI said:
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something but right now he's a liability. I'd rather they dust off Fournier or Rose when they need bench minutes.



Sure. He's still very young. Right now, though, he doesn't belong in the NBA.


His biggest problem i think is he has no idea how to play off the ball, in college and even when he goes down to the G league, he is the best player on the court, he always had the ball and cna be agressive scoring..

With the Knicks he is off the ball player, gets a couple of shots and thats it and he struggles doing that
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DanMetroMan : 1/31/2023 5:33 pm : link
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The Toronto Raptors would like to get off of OG Anunoby’s contract before they have to pay him after next season, per @Gambo987
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2023 6:34 pm : link
In comment 16020986 DanMetroMan said:
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“The Chicago Bulls don't know why Lonzo Ball is still feeling pain in his knee. The medical staff doesn't know why there is still pain. Lonzo and his camp also don't know why.” 😔

- @ChiSportUpdates


I remember Ball saying a couple of months back that he couldn't even walk up stairs without feeling pain. Good God.
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