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NFT: Knicks chat: Week ahead and trade deadline next week

nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 8:37 am
A big homestand upcoming for the Knicks, Lakers, Heat, Clippers, Sixers all at home, if they can go 2-2 that would be fantastic. Just have to tread water during this tough stretch.

Trade deadline is next week and based on reports the most active talks are with Milwaukee surrounding Reddish and Grayson Allen.

I think the main objective for the Knicks is to get a wing defender who can shoot to come off the bench..

I think if they can do that with Quickley coming off the bench, the bench unit can become a strength again.

I like Mcbride but his inability to be a catch and shoot player is hurting them..

Quickley needs to be in the finishing group regardless, Grimes or Rj can be in based on how they are playing and situation.

Should be a fun week and hopefully we get some rumors
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I'm not ready to see Grayson Allen in a Knick's uniform  
guitarguybs12 : 1/30/2023 8:41 am : link
and have to watch his fucking face on TV multiple times for a week
If Grayson Allen is a Knick  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/30/2023 8:45 am : link
I'm probably gonna boycott for a minimum of 5 games.

I doubt it happens. Nothing ever happens.
NO to Allen  
Heisenberg : 1/30/2023 8:46 am : link
fuck that guy


I still can't quite figure how inconsistent this team is, but that's a lot of star power coming through the Garden. Should be fun.


RE: NO to Allen  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 8:57 am : link
In comment 16019509 Heisenberg said:
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fuck that guy


I still can't quite figure how inconsistent this team is, but that's a lot of star power coming through the Garden. Should be fun.



I dont think its necassarily inconsistent, its just that some games the lack of a true star shines through..I think Brunson and Randle are 100% should be all stars, but they arent stars, Brunson can close games sometimes but Randle hasnt shown that abilith..

I also think the fit between Brunson, Rj and Randle is still a little clumsy and thats ehy the iso game comes into play to much
I'm completely serious when I say...  
Greg from LI : 1/30/2023 9:02 am : link
I will not follow the Knicks at all if they acquire that sack of shit. Won't watch them, won't discuss them, nothing. He's a disgrace to the game of basketball and his presence will be an insult.
RE: I'm completely serious when I say...  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 9:06 am : link
In comment 16019525 Greg from LI said:
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I will not follow the Knicks at all if they acquire that sack of shit. Won't watch them, won't discuss them, nothing. He's a disgrace to the game of basketball and his presence will be an insult.


hahaha i dont think they get Allen, i think their main target is OG and Reddish will go out for Ibaka and George Hill..
.  
Anakim : 1/30/2023 9:07 am : link
Weird NBA record thing:

The New York Knicks are one of five teams to have a losing record at home this season.

The other four teams:

Charlotte Hornets
Detroit Pistons
Houston Rockets
San Antonio Spurs

Otherwise known as the worst four teams in the NBA so far this season.
Shams has a report  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 9:12 am : link
Crowder to Bucks seems to be heating up, But Suns and Milwaukee are looking for a 3rd team wonder if this is where Knicks come into play with Reddish..

Suns have given permission to Crowder to speak to Milwaukee, i would assume about role and contract..

Knicks and Suns are both interested in OG, Kniicks have shown a willingness to offer multiple first round picks..It comes down to if Toronto is willing to trade him
Also Toronto has informed teams  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 9:14 am : link
they will make a decision on being buyers or sellers closer to the deadline
OG sprained his wrist a couple of games ago  
bceagle05 : 1/30/2023 9:30 am : link
and has been out. Luckily it wasn't fractured - he landed on it awkwardly.
RJB + draft comp (unsure of what it will take)  
NYG22 : 1/30/2023 9:44 am : link
would be my offer for OG
RE: RJB + draft comp (unsure of what it will take)  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 9:48 am : link
In comment 16019571 NYG22 said:
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would be my offer for OG


Rj is very difficult to trade right now
If Toronto is going to be a seller, they've got a lot of talent to  
Ira : 1/30/2023 9:58 am : link
talk about.
I think Kawhi wants point guard help in LA.  
bceagle05 : 1/30/2023 10:07 am : link
I'm sure Fred VanVleet would be on their radar. Love to punt him to the Western Conference, if not the moon.
I want Allen so bad.  
Kmed6000 : 1/30/2023 10:07 am : link
That would be a huge get for the Knicks.
OG is good and would obviously  
Enzo : 1/30/2023 10:10 am : link
help but he doesn't move the needle enough to start giving up our future unprotected picks IMO. Certainly would be willing to discuss the other picks we have coming. What's interesting to me is what the Knicks' interest in OG signals about how they feel about RJ.
RJ has the poison pill, no?  
Anakim : 1/30/2023 10:11 am : link
I doubt they could trade him this season
The Knicks aren't going to do much.  
Kmed6000 : 1/30/2023 10:11 am : link
I don't see us overpaying for OG. I don't see any other great players available that work. I don't think they would trade Randle or RJ midseason when we are in the hunt for the playoffs. I expect Reddish for a 2nd, maybe 2. More of the same.
RE: I want Allen so bad.  
BigBlueShock : 1/30/2023 10:15 am : link
In comment 16019595 Kmed6000 said:
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That would be a huge get for the Knicks.

I can’t tell if you’re serious or just trolling Greg, lol
The thing with OG  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 10:18 am : link
you have to make sure Thibs would be willing to take advantage of his versatility and play him at the 4 or will he stick with 2 bigs..

You could close with randle, OG, Rj, Quivk or grimes and Brunson against most teams and the spacing and perimiter defense would be fantastic..

With a lot of these guys it’s the old grass is always greener  
steve in ky : 1/30/2023 10:19 am : link
They need to save their picks for s real difference maker and if not that keep building through the draft.

RE: With a lot of these guys it’s the old grass is always greener  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 10:20 am : link
In comment 16019612 steve in ky said:
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They need to save their picks for s real difference maker and if not that keep building through the draft.


I think they have plenty of picks to be able to trade for OG and then in the offseason make a trade for a star..

and i only think they need 1
RE: RE: I want Allen so bad.  
Kmed6000 : 1/30/2023 10:25 am : link
In comment 16019604 BigBlueShock said:
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That would be a huge get for the Knicks.


I can’t tell if you’re serious or just trolling Greg, lol


Oh I'm dead serious, but the reason I want him so bad is mostly because of Greg. His irrational hatred of college players and continuing that for their careers is one of the most annoying things on bbi for me. Then there are people that follow his lead. Therefore, I want it!
The Knicks don't need a star to be true contenders.  
Kmed6000 : 1/30/2023 10:29 am : link
They need a mega star. Brunson and Randle are stars, but neither is a batman, they are robins and Randle is a flawed Robin. I think the Knicks would be much better off trading RJ and Randle in the offseason if they can get assets(as opposed to a salary dump). I'd trade Ranle now, but the Knicks would never.
Ujiri  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 10:34 am : link
is going to pants the Knicks here isn't he?
Nba  
TyreeHelmet : 1/30/2023 10:36 am : link
Has there ever been a season with so few trades? Unless I’m missing something there has barely been any trades this year and doesn’t seem to have any major trades in the works.
If the Knicks didn't get abused  
Kmed6000 : 1/30/2023 10:37 am : link
for Donovan Mitchell, a borderline mega star, I don't think they'll get abused for OG.

What is a fair trade ceiling for OG? What is the most you'd be willing to give up?

For me, I'd trade Obi, McBride, and up to 1 lightly protected draft pick(maybe top 10)and 1 of the traded firsts we have. If none of our own, up to 3 of the traded picks.
RE: Nba  
Kmed6000 : 1/30/2023 10:37 am : link
In comment 16019642 TyreeHelmet said:
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Has there ever been a season with so few trades? Unless I’m missing something there has barely been any trades this year and doesn’t seem to have any major trades in the works.


I think a part of that is that more teams are playoff contenders now because of the play in.
RE: Ujiri  
Strahan91 : 1/30/2023 10:38 am : link
In comment 16019639 DanMetroMan said:
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is going to pants the Knicks here isn't he?

I personally think Rose and co are a bit too conservative and afraid to take bigger swings/risks but in this case it does work in their favor. Hard to see them get fleeced, I think they just won't wind up sealing the deal instead.
RE: Nba  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 10:53 am : link
In comment 16019642 TyreeHelmet said:
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Has there ever been a season with so few trades? Unless I’m missing something there has barely been any trades this year and doesn’t seem to have any major trades in the works.


The teams that are selling or on the brink have set high prices for their role players..

They will go down as you get closer..I also think certain teams are afraid to blow it up, like the Bulls and Raptors..

rewind to the 2015 NCAA Final Game in Indy  
AG5686 : 1/30/2023 11:21 am : link
My college roommate and I flew to Indy without a ticket.
Wisconsin,my alma mater,was in the final against Coach K and Duke.
We were all set to finally win a NATTYYYYY,when some Freshman came off the bench and took over the game.
That Kid's name was Grayson Allen.
So forgive me if I am biased in this conversation.
I’m not against Allen if it’s largely Reddish  
steve in ky : 1/30/2023 1:02 pm : link
He needs to move before deadline or we get nothing in return for him
RE: Nba  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/30/2023 4:15 pm : link
In comment 16019642 TyreeHelmet said:
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Has there ever been a season with so few trades? Unless I’m missing something there has barely been any trades this year and doesn’t seem to have any major trades in the works.


The gobert trade's side effect is everyone thinks their bench players are worth first round picks now.
Trade the coach  
ElitoCanton : 1/30/2023 4:38 pm : link
this team ain't winning shit as long as his stubborn ass is the coach
RE: OG is good and would obviously  
CornerStone246+17 : 1/30/2023 4:42 pm : link
In comment 16019598 Enzo said:
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help but he doesn't move the needle enough to start giving up our future unprotected picks IMO. Certainly would be willing to discuss the other picks we have coming. What's interesting to me is what the Knicks' interest in OG signals about how they feel about RJ.


OG is probably a precursor move to trading RJ and landing a superstar...he is an excellent complimentary piece to a championship team potentially. He is the young Draymond Green of the NBA. Many of the championship teams have that kind of player on the roster.
RE: RE: Nba  
BigBlueShock : 1/30/2023 4:50 pm : link
In comment 16020163 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Has there ever been a season with so few trades? Unless I’m missing something there has barely been any trades this year and doesn’t seem to have any major trades in the works.



The gobert trade's side effect is everyone thinks their bench players are worth first round picks now.

I agree with this and I also believe that deal had an effect on the negotiations for Mitchell
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Enzo : 1/30/2023 4:53 pm : link
In comment 16020183 CornerStone246+17 said:
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help but he doesn't move the needle enough to start giving up our future unprotected picks IMO. Certainly would be willing to discuss the other picks we have coming. What's interesting to me is what the Knicks' interest in OG signals about how they feel about RJ.



OG is probably a precursor move to trading RJ and landing a superstar...he is an excellent complimentary piece to a championship team potentially. He is the young Draymond Green of the NBA. Many of the championship teams have that kind of player on the roster.

Draymond and OG may have some similarities as defenders, but that's where the comparison ends. They're quite different offensively.
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CornerStone246+17 : 1/30/2023 5:03 pm : link
In comment 16020192 Enzo said:
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In comment 16020183 CornerStone246+17 said:


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In comment 16019598 Enzo said:


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help but he doesn't move the needle enough to start giving up our future unprotected picks IMO. Certainly would be willing to discuss the other picks we have coming. What's interesting to me is what the Knicks' interest in OG signals about how they feel about RJ.



OG is probably a precursor move to trading RJ and landing a superstar...he is an excellent complimentary piece to a championship team potentially. He is the young Draymond Green of the NBA. Many of the championship teams have that kind of player on the roster.


Draymond and OG may have some similarities as defenders, but that's where the comparison ends. They're quite different offensively.


Sure but both while elite top 5 NBA defenders in their prime that can gaurd mutliple positions both also have an offensive game and are not Frank Nkitilinas out there either.
Draymond  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 5:05 pm : link
Green is going to the HOF and has averaged 5.5 assists for his career, 7.2 since turning 25 (Anunoby's age now) OG has averaged 1.5 for his career. OG is a very solid NBA player, he's nowhere, nowhere near Draymond Green.

.  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 5:07 pm : link
NBACentral
@TheNBACentral
The Nuggets believe they have traction on potentially acquiring a first-round pick for Bones Hyland, per @msinger
RE: Draymond  
CornerStone246+17 : 1/30/2023 5:10 pm : link
In comment 16020206 DanMetroMan said:
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Green is going to the HOF and has averaged 5.5 assists for his career, 7.2 since turning 25 (Anunoby's age now) OG has averaged 1.5 for his career. OG is a very solid NBA player, he's nowhere, nowhere near Draymond Green.


Point taken the offensive game is not Draymonds . But he came intot je NBA very raw and has improved every year offensively. He may never be Green offensively but he is already a decent offensive player and could still improve a bit more. That said in no way should he command a Superstar haul but Obi and 2 picks or 3 picks with 2 protected I would do.
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DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 5:12 pm : link
In comment 16020208 DanMetroMan said:
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NBACentral
@TheNBACentral
The Nuggets believe they have traction on potentially acquiring a first-round pick for Bones Hyland, per @msinger


Bones Highland is a solid player, and I could see a contender giving up a 1 for him pretty easily but I don't see him being a great fit with the Knicks roster.
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nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 5:17 pm : link
In comment 16020214 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16020208 DanMetroMan said:


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NBACentral
@TheNBACentral
The Nuggets believe they have traction on potentially acquiring a first-round pick for Bones Hyland, per @msinger



Bones Highland is a solid player, and I could see a contender giving up a 1 for him pretty easily but I don't see him being a great fit with the Knicks roster.


I was just coming to post this, i havnt watched enough of Denver but i thought he was having a good year...How is his defense?
Nuggets  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 5:19 pm : link
fans "open" to trading him all trash his defense. Said it's hard having him out there late in games.
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 5:22 pm : link
like his defense, "fit with" Jokic and the emergence of Christian Braun are the reasons they are giving for being open to moving him. A lot of people trashing his defense though.
RE: Nuggets  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 5:24 pm : link
In comment 16020218 DanMetroMan said:
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fans "open" to trading him all trash his defense. Said it's hard having him out there late in games.


interesting than yeah
Zach Lowe  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 5:25 pm : link
"8. Bones Hyland can't be a sinkhole on defense The Denver Nuggets are second in offensive efficiency and 28th in defense, and face some stark lineup choices in trying to fix the latter without chipping away at the former. Some of those choices probably aren't as black and white as they seemed a few months ago.

Two defense-first types -- Aaron Gordon and Bruce Brown -- are thriving on offense orbiting Nikola Jokic. Michael Porter Jr. will always skew offense, but he's made strides on the other end.

Next up: Hyland, their brash sixth man, shooting 44% on 3s and building bob-and-weave pick-and-roll chemistry with Jokic. Denver needs Hyland's offense in its endless quest to tread water when Jokic rests. When great defenses take away the easy stuff, the Nuggets will be tempted to shove Hyland into crunch-time lineups alongside Jokic, Jamal Murray, and perhaps Porter.

The Nuggets don't need Hyland to be a good defender, or even an average one. Apex scorers will hunt him, and the Nuggets know how to rotate and cover for that. What they can't absorb is Hyland igniting fires all over the floor, against every rote action.

(Missing embedded video here of Hyland going under a screen and getting completely caught to give up an open 3)

Hyland flubs the most basic pindown imaginable for Shaedon Sharpe. Screen navigation on and off the ball is a constant issue. If Hyland wants to play major postseason minutes, he has to clean this stuff up. He ranks dead last among all players in defensive estimated plus-minus and 445th in ESPN's adjusted defensive plus-minus."
I do think OG is the best fit and move to make  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2023 5:27 pm : link
seems like there is smoke and an offer on the table if Toronto decides to sell off some pieces. I guess if you want OG, root for Toronto lose on this road trip that ends Feb 5th
It's  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 5:28 pm : link
believed the Knicks and Suns have been the most aggressive on OG with "other teams" also involved.
Sounds like the offer was/is fair...  
bceagle05 : 1/30/2023 5:31 pm : link
Three firsts - two protected and one unprotected. If someone tops it, or Toronto demands more - oh well.
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