NFT: Knicks chat: Week ahead and trade deadline next week

In comment 16020236 bceagle05 said:

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Three firsts - two protected and one unprotected. If someone tops it, or Toronto demands more - oh well.

Who are the players involved?
Salaries don't match unless you an expiring contract like Rose and Cam

I'd vomit if we end up with Grayson Allen.

A team like the Bulls should blow it up. Chicago is treading water @ this point. They blew it with that Vooch trade for Wendall Carter & the pick that became Franz Wagner.

In comment 16020236 bceagle05 said:

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Three firsts - two protected and one unprotected. If someone tops it, or Toronto demands more - oh well.

Did the Knicks actually offer this, or this speculation?

That seems steep for OG IMO

I agree w/ Steve. That seems like a steep price for OG. Then again...after what Gobert fetched...what the hell do I know?

our unprotected first in the upcoming draft for a guy like OG and then throwing in a protected first or perhaps two. But I'm not including unprotected picks down the road. They're too valuable in the current market to be trading them for a non all star - who you likely have to pay big money to after next season. If that's not good enough, you walk away.

But doesn't move the needle very much and you are going to need to pay him next year or lose him.
I can't see giving up too much for him .

In comment 16020347 larryflower37 said:

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But doesn't move the needle very much and you are going to need to pay him next year or lose him. I can't see giving up too much for him .

I think the plan is to get him and then frees uo some other llahers on the team to go get a star..

be an upgrade on defense and improve our outside shooting. I'm not sure who or what picks would be the +, but that's the framework I'd like.

In comment 16020349 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 16020347 larryflower37 said: Quote: But doesn't move the needle very much and you are going to need to pay him next year or lose him. I can't see giving up too much for him . I think the plan is to get him and then frees uo some other llahers on the team to go get a star..

That's speculation on your part that has never been mentioned in any reports.
At 22 years old RJs upside is higher than OG while OG defense is definitely better, his shooting splits are not leaps ahead of RJ especially with the age difference.
I think the Knicks are looking add OG to this current lineup to improve over Grimes lack of scoring as a 4th option and wing defender.

with the point that Rj could move to the bench and become a dynamic duo off the bench with Quick...Rj has his contract, so he may be ok with it..He come in and just worry about scoring

this reddit thread here for everyone who wants to trade for OG.
Some interesting stats... - ( New Window )

In comment 16020446 Jan in DC said:

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this reddit thread here for everyone who wants to trade for OG. Some interesting stats... - ( New Window )

Yikes

In comment 16020446 Jan in DC said:

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this reddit thread here for everyone who wants to trade for OG. Some interesting stats... - ( New Window )

You’re not trading for OG Anunoby for his pull-ups and iso scoring prowess

In comment 16020457 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 16020446 Jan in DC said: Quote: this reddit thread here for everyone who wants to trade for OG. Some interesting stats... - ( New Window ) You’re not trading for OG Anunoby for his pull-ups and iso scoring prowess

Does Thibs know that?

In comment 16020456 Enzo said:

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Quote: Fewest PPP on Post-Ups (Min. 40 Poss.): 1. Kyle Kuzma: 0.667 2. O.G. Anunoby: 0.708 3. Evan Mobley: 0.750 4. R.J. Barrett: 0.787 5. Julius Randle: 0.792

Seems like he’d fit right in here

How are the Raptors so bad? They are 23-29.

Siakam, VanVleet, Anunoby, Trent Jr, Barnes.....all good ballplayers.

In comment 16020598 Kmed6000 said:

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How are the Raptors so bad? They are 23-29. Siakam, VanVleet, Anunoby, Trent Jr, Barnes.....all good ballplayers.

I think they have to many mouths to feed and guys arent willing to take a lesser role or effect the game in another way..

Barnes and Siakim are clearly their top 2 players at least according to the organization and everything runs through them. They also occupy the same space, even with Siakim able to step out and hit a 3..

FVV has struggled with his shot (except when he plays the Knicks) and he is not really a distributor so he is looking for his shot more. So now thats 3 guys who look for their shot..

Trent Jr i think is 1 of the guys who actually accepts a lesser role, he is a good defender, who can shoot the 3 and play off the ball..

OG i think can be an offf the ball player, his value is obviously his defense but again he is the 4th maybe 5th option on the team so is he really being used properly?

They have no size, their bench is lacking and Nurse is like Thibs, plays his starters big minutes and really doesnt adjust much

In comment 16020598 Kmed6000 said:

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How are the Raptors so bad? They are 23-29. Siakam, VanVleet, Anunoby, Trent Jr, Barnes.....all good ballplayers.

Apparently, there are major chemistry problems (including the fact a few guys feel underpaid by the Raptors, FVV for one) Barnes has also regressed and there is a "feeling" there is pretty major regret they didn't pull the trigger on the Nets/Durant ask.

He'll cost less because he's a rental and he's a damn good shooter and good defender and as you said giants16 he accepts a lesser role well

In comment 16020613 Stu11 said:

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He'll cost less because he's a rental and he's a damn good shooter and good defender and as you said giants16 he accepts a lesser role well

Flip side is that many teams are reportedly interested for those very same reasons.

In comment 16020613 Stu11 said:

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He'll cost less because he's a rental and he's a damn good shooter and good defender and as you said giants16 he accepts a lesser role well

The more Dukies, the better :P

and i want to see how it works with him for the rest of the season, BUT i do think this will lead to another trade in the offseason..

I think for it to work with this current roster, Rj is going to have to take a step back and Thibs is going to have to be versatile with his wings..

If you trade Obi in the deal, i dont want to see Hart and Sims off the bench, i want OG playing the backup 4..

I want to see lineups with Randle at the 5 next OG, Rj , Quick or Grimes and Brunson..

In comment 16020643 nygiants16 said:

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and i want to see how it works with him for the rest of the season, BUT i do think this will lead to another trade in the offseason.. I think for it to work with this current roster, Rj is going to have to take a step back and Thibs is going to have to be versatile with his wings.. If you trade Obi in the deal, i dont want to see Hart and Sims off the bench, i want OG playing the backup 4.. I want to see lineups with Randle at the 5 next OG, Rj , Quick or Grimes and Brunson..

Basketball Reference’s site doesn’t show him having any games at PF, and while I’m sure Toronto has gone small at times I’d be a little concerned trading Obi and not having a legitimate PF in case Randle were to get injured

In comment 16020673 steve in ky said:

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In comment 16020643 nygiants16 said: Quote: and i want to see how it works with him for the rest of the season, BUT i do think this will lead to another trade in the offseason.. I think for it to work with this current roster, Rj is going to have to take a step back and Thibs is going to have to be versatile with his wings.. If you trade Obi in the deal, i dont want to see Hart and Sims off the bench, i want OG playing the backup 4.. I want to see lineups with Randle at the 5 next OG, Rj , Quick or Grimes and Brunson.. Basketball Reference’s site doesn’t show him having any games at PF, and while I’m sure Toronto has gone small at times I’d be a little concerned trading Obi and not having a legitimate PF in case Randle were to get injured

The backup PF position is basically 10 to 15 minutes a night, OG is big enough to play the backup 4 with the bench..

The thing with Toronto is they are the definition of positionless basketball, Siakim is their stsrting center..

in one of his recent mailbags, and Begley's not the type to just throw stuff out there as clickbait. I could see that happening for the final 30 games or so if Obi and/or Cam is traded. I don't love the idea, but they would need an extra body at least.

the players on the Raptors are not the only ones who may be on the move. There's some noise around Nurse as well. If and when they move on from Thibs, he's a guy they should look at.

In comment 16020707 Enzo said:

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the players on the Raptors are not the only ones who may be on the move. There's some noise around Nurse as well. If and when they move on from Thibs, he's a guy they should look at.

the same issues fans have with Nurse are the same with Thibs, over plays his starters and not a lot of adjustments

In comment 16020707 Enzo said:

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the players on the Raptors are not the only ones who may be on the move. There's some noise around Nurse as well. If and when they move on from Thibs, he's a guy they should look at.

I hope they move on from Ujiri and we hire him to replace Leon. Ah, wishful thinking.

Exoect Lebron to get 15 free throws tonight..I honestly dont see how the Knicks win tonight..

“There’s been some speculation from a few rival executives that the Memphis Grizzlies could make a run at O.G. Anunoby, given their surplus of draft picks in the years to come,” Michael Scotto reported for HoopsHype. “… There was also a report out there, I believe from the Toronto Star, that one mystery team previously offered three first-round picks for Anunoby. … I don’t see Toronto getting a better package than that for him.”

Toronto are now takong calls on OG, Seems like its between Suns and Knicks for him..

I could see the Suns offering up 3 unprotected 1sts

In comment 16020734 nygiants16 said:

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Toronto are now takong calls on OG, Seems like its between Suns and Knicks for him.. I could see the Suns offering up 3 unprotected 1sts

Their new owner reportedly has told their FO they have his full support if they choose to be ultra aggressive.

If the suns offer that, the Raptors should jump on it.

and i say that as a fan of OG. He just doesnt feel like a guy you give up 3 firsts and Obi for (and im just about done with this version of Obi as a 3 pt shooter). OG is an elite defender and solid shooter, but thats about it. Very little offensive game outside of that. He feels like the guy you hope to draft (Grimes...) who is a solid starter on a good team. Not the kind of guy you give up 3 firsts and a young player for.

ALthough trading firsts in the nba is starting to feel like the initial talk on an NFL contract. You hear these crazy NFL contracts and then the guaranteed money/structure isnt that bad. In the NBA you can get 3 firsts but with the protections these days that might not be shit. I mean do the knicks trade the Raptors the Bucks pick, another pick and one of their own with top 25 protections? Well thats not that bad, ha. ANd im not saying TOR does that, just saying we see these deals where a team gives up a first and its like "OVERPAY!" then you see its top 25 protected, then top 20 protected, then top 18 protected, then it turns into some second round pick, ha.

immediately if the ask for OG is multiple unprotected firsts. The only one I would give up is this year's.

does this mean they dont love Cam Johnson? If so would they mind trading him to the knicks!

In comment 16020751 Italianju said:

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does this mean they dont love Cam Johnson? If so would they mind trading him to the knicks!

Rumor is that Cam would be in the deal

For the Knicks to get into a bidding war for OG. If multiple teams are in I don't expect them to be that agressive

is not the guy I want the Knicks to be unloading their clip on.

You never know in the NBA and things change quickly, but who is the next possible star to become available via trade?

Lillard, KAT...maybe Lamelo Ball or Trae Young? I really don't see a likely target for the Knicks unless maybe Anthony Davis is moved.

In comment 16020687 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 16020673 steve in ky said: Quote: In comment 16020643 nygiants16 said: Quote: and i want to see how it works with him for the rest of the season, BUT i do think this will lead to another trade in the offseason.. I think for it to work with this current roster, Rj is going to have to take a step back and Thibs is going to have to be versatile with his wings.. If you trade Obi in the deal, i dont want to see Hart and Sims off the bench, i want OG playing the backup 4.. I want to see lineups with Randle at the 5 next OG, Rj , Quick or Grimes and Brunson.. Basketball Reference’s site doesn’t show him having any games at PF, and while I’m sure Toronto has gone small at times I’d be a little concerned trading Obi and not having a legitimate PF in case Randle were to get injured The backup PF position is basically 10 to 15 minutes a night, OG is big enough to play the backup 4 with the bench.. The thing with Toronto is they are the definition of positionless basketball, Siakim is their stsrting center..

That doesn’t address my point about if Randle were to be injured

In comment 16020801 TyreeHelmet said:

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is not the guy I want the Knicks to be unloading their clip on. You never know in the NBA and things change quickly, but who is the next possible star to become available via trade? Lillard, KAT...maybe Lamelo Ball or Trae Young? I really don't see a likely target for the Knicks unless maybe Anthony Davis is moved.

Trading for OG does not stop them from trading for a star

if they gave up a lot of unprotected picks. Definitely need those for a star.

according to Begely

Are we letting RJ come off the bench and be the focus of the second unit? Kicking Grimes to the second unit?

I guess it would free up RJ for a summertime trade? But it doesn't make the roster make a lot of sense now.

to carry the second unit with IQ (Who kinda does this now a lot as he is the first of our top 3 to hit the bench and the first to come bacK). He can still get 30 minutes a night off the bench. But odds are it would kick Grimes to the bench and McBride out of the rotation.

We're never running a small lineup out there. If you get OG, you're never going to see him and Randle on the floor as the 4 and 5 with Thibs as coach. I feel like that lack of creativity limits the benefit for trading for a player like Ananoby. I'm fully against it, mostly because I don't think it's a dramatic upgrade and would necessitate trading multiple 1sts.

He's the new Ntilikina, a player so unrelentingly useless on offense that no level of defense can offset it.

In comment 16020850 nygiants16 said:

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according to Begely

That would be awesome. Big fan of Bey since college