The Athletic posted a mock today and has O’Cyrus Torrence going to the Giants because the WR Addison and Johnston are gone. What does BBI think of O’Cyrus Torrence?
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Day 1/2 Draft:
QB, WR, CB, EDGE, OT
Day 2/3 and UFA:
RB, IOL, TE, S, IDL, ILB
The first group is more important to be cost controlled.
Id love someone like Zion but my train of thought is that generically speaking, id rather pay Isaac Seumalo $8-$10M (or a Dalton Risner for a little less) and draft a high end premium position with our day 1 and 2 picks.
Many more postions in play as the truly elite prospects are off the board. And now the evaluations potentially turning to getting the 4th highest ranked player at a prime position or (one of need for the more desperate GM-types) versus the top or near top ranked player at possibly a different one.
That's how Toney got pulled up by the guys that are no longer here.
1st round guards have a very high hit rate. I also want one of my guards to be very good and RG in particular is the 3rd most important position on the OL and you need a good one that can take on either the nose or 3 tech by himself. This allows the center and LG to shift their protection to the left.
Tell me there wouldn't be value in drafting Alen Faneca or Snee at pick 25?
He's the Giants pick on 3/4 of the mocks I see. Which makes me happy because they're never right that far down in the first round. Don't want another receiver with bad hammys.
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Just sayin.
He's the Giants pick on 3/4 of the mocks I see. Which makes me happy because they're never right that far down in the first round. Don't want another receiver with bad hammys.
Way too early obviously. I'm hearing the love from a guy with an OSU connection. I know, kind of obscure.
Many more postions in play as the truly elite prospects are off the board. And now the evaluations potentially turning to getting the 4th highest ranked player at a prime position or (one of need for the more desperate GM-types) versus the top or near top ranked player at possibly a different one.
That's how Toney got pulled up by the guys that are no longer here.
Agreed. Position value is still important, but the later you get in the 1st round, the more likely the top DE, WR, QB, OT, and CBs are off the board. A lot of times guards, LBs, safeties are the best picks there.
I'm hoping for a CB, edge, or WR that they love to be there, but if you don't have the grades on the guy, you may be better off going for the top G.
Are we watching the same Giants team?
We need to draft to control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.
Giants haven't drafted a guy they originally intended to play Gaurd in round 1 in 30-40 years. Don't think that changes this year.
Are we watching the same Giants team?
We need to draft to control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.
Yeah. That's why i am worried about the FA money with our impending contact extentions. Could really help getting a good vet OC this offseason. I wanted them to do that last summer. Hopefully they can manage something
Which is interesting because at least what we know at this time is that WR and CB appear to be the strength of the back half of the opening round if that's the way the Giants would want to. That's said there are 2-3 players at other positions that the Giants could conceivably look at as pure BPAs if they were still on the board at 25 and I would put Torrence in that group along with maybe Andre Carter and Michael Mayer.
The implication of the whole argument though is that the Giants, like most fans, will tick off the players taken ahead of them in this year's opening round and make a choice of those that make it to #25. And that's just not how teams approach the draft as pretty much all teams and especially the Giants will be much more proactive. In fact they will go into the draft either having identified 2-3 players that they really like regardless of position and/or more likely they'll have identified a position they want to address.
As an example say for this year if they have IDed WR as the position they want, they'll likely watch what happens with the top guys like Addison, Johnston and Njigba-Smith and if any come into range they likely consider trying to trade up. On the other hand, if they stay at #25 and either have somebody (like a Torrence) rated higher or if the 2-3 WRs with the same grade they'd likely consider trading down.
And looking at the structure of the CB class one would think they'd follow a similar path if that was the position they have targeted. I suppose it would also be possible if they were to say something like they'll sit tight at #25 and take the highest graded WR or CB still on the board at that time.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants went into the draft wanting to take both a WR AND a top corner and it wouldn't surprise me especially if they didn't get a WR at #25 that they would look to trade up in the 2nd round to get one of those good second-tier receivers. Heck it also shouldn't be a total shock if the Giants moved up in the 2nd to get a WR even if they got one in the first. How would adding say Hyatt AND a Rashee Rice or Josh Downs or ...
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There were a lot of games that could have gone either way. And the Giants schedule early on was God-awful.
Don't expect that much luck this time around.
Which is interesting because at least what we know at this time is that WR and CB appear to be the strength of the back half of the opening round if that's the way the Giants would want to. That's said there are 2-3 players at other positions that the Giants could conceivably look at as pure BPAs if they were still on the board at 25 and I would put Torrence in that group along with maybe Andre Carter and Michael Mayer.
The implication of the whole argument though is that the Giants, like most fans, will tick off the players taken ahead of them in this year's opening round and make a choice of those that make it to #25. And that's just not how teams approach the draft as pretty much all teams and especially the Giants will be much more proactive. In fact they will go into the draft either having identified 2-3 players that they really like regardless of position and/or more likely they'll have identified a position they want to address.
As an example say for this year if they have IDed WR as the position they want, they'll likely watch what happens with the top guys like Addison, Johnston and Njigba-Smith and if any come into range they likely consider trying to trade up. On the other hand, if they stay at #25 and either have somebody (like a Torrence) rated higher or if the 2-3 WRs with the same grade they'd likely consider trading down.
And looking at the structure of the CB class one would think they'd follow a similar path if that was the position they have targeted. I suppose it would also be possible if they were to say something like they'll sit tight at #25 and take the highest graded WR or CB still on the board at that time.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants went into the draft wanting to take both a WR AND a top corner and it wouldn't surprise me especially if they didn't get a WR at #25 that they would look to trade up in the 2nd round to get one of those good second-tier receivers. Heck it also shouldn't be a total shock if the Giants moved up in the 2nd to get a WR even if they got one in the first. How would adding say Hyatt AND a Rashee Rice or Josh Downs or ...
Great insight Colin. I'm kinda of the thought that free agency could change the calculus a bit. Perhaps they succeed maintaining/creating enough flexibility after signing DJ and Barkley to get the WR via trade and M2M CB in FA like the Eagles pulled off last year.
There were a lot of games that could have gone either way. And the Giants schedule early on was God-awful.
Don't expect that much luck this time around.
I didn't mean "super" WR.
I meant though they have to get a #1 WR.
Don't see it and I get it was his rookie year but can't imagine the Giants at least entertaining the thought in the back of their mind that Neal may have to be moved to OG.
Why not have an OT who can also play OG as the backup plan in case we need to move Neal.
Dontayvion Wicks, WR, Virginia
DeMarvion Overshown, LB, Texas
O’Cyrus Torrence, G, Florida
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Not sure why his achievements are somewhat discounted.
Are we watching the same Giants team?
We need to draft to control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.
You still have to draft the best players, or you end up getting your ass kicked with players who weren't good enough to be drafted where you picked them, but happened to play the position you were hoping to address.
That's ridiculous, Guard is very valuable as all the positions, if we have a great WR or Edge available at that spot go for it but there will be at least 3-4 in both positions that are off the board.
Any really good player regardless of the position will be a impact player. In other words positions that don't touch the ball make big impacts also.