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US1 Giants : 1/30/2023 9:59 am
The Athletic posted a mock today and has O’Cyrus Torrence going to the Giants because the WR Addison and Johnston are gone. What does BBI think of O’Cyrus Torrence?

https://theathletic.com/4131776/2023/01/30/2023-nfl-mock-draft-jalen-carter/ - ( New Window )
I cant see the Giants going G in the 1st round  
Rudy5757 : 1/30/2023 10:15 am : link
It will be WR/CB or something else. They will draft a few OL but I think it will be much later in the draft. They are probably penciling in Ezeudo at LG so it will be Thomas, Ezeudo, TBD, Glow and Neal.
No.  
blueblood : 1/30/2023 10:22 am : link
Joe Schoen believes in psoitional value. 1st round your BEST values by position QB, LT, Edge, CB or WR. I cant see them going guard in round one.

Who knows when they are picking this late  
eric2425ny : 1/30/2023 10:24 am : link
it could be any position honestly. Unless there is a player they love enough to trade up for I think they’ll just go BPA here. Maybe that’s Torrence.
As general guide line...  
Capt. Don : 1/30/2023 10:25 am : link
I like the idea of...

Day 1/2 Draft:
QB, WR, CB, EDGE, OT

Day 2/3 and UFA:
RB, IOL, TE, S, IDL, ILB

The first group is more important to be cost controlled.

for those who say its a no just based on position  
JJ2525 : 1/30/2023 10:31 am : link
didn't our plugged in insiders indicate that they loved zion johnson last year and that he was a big possibility if we had traded down in round 1?
RE: for those who say its a no just based on position  
Capt. Don : 1/30/2023 10:36 am : link
In comment 16019633 JJ2525 said:
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didn't our plugged in insiders indicate that they loved zion johnson last year and that he was a big possibility if we had traded down in round 1?


Id love someone like Zion but my train of thought is that generically speaking, id rather pay Isaac Seumalo $8-$10M (or a Dalton Risner for a little less) and draft a high end premium position with our day 1 and 2 picks.
Think this year could be a top flight WR  
Dang Man : 1/30/2023 10:38 am : link
But then the remainder of the draft very defense heavy. CB, rotational DT, some more athleticism at ILB. If we get help at Center or Guard I think it’s a low level FA signing like Feliciano. If they draft IOL early it’s likely an indictment of what they think about Gates and Ezudu’s future.
Posters on the board need to start getting used to what  
chick310 : 1/30/2023 10:39 am : link
comes with picking later in Rd One all of sudden versus typically sitting within the Top 10 during the Gettleman regime.

Many more postions in play as the truly elite prospects are off the board. And now the evaluations potentially turning to getting the 4th highest ranked player at a prime position or (one of need for the more desperate GM-types) versus the top or near top ranked player at possibly a different one.

That's how Toney got pulled up by the guys that are no longer here.
So the Giants won't draft a guard at 25  
Kmed6000 : 1/30/2023 10:40 am : link
because of positional value? That's where the guards are most valuable! They won't draft a guard top 10 maybe, but at 25 is where a top guard should go.
Hyatt WR from TN is very intriging to me  
Rjanyg : 1/30/2023 10:49 am : link
Other positions I can see being selected: ER, DT, LB, CB
RE: So the Giants won't draft a guard at 25  
Mattman : 1/30/2023 10:54 am : link
In comment 16019651 Kmed6000 said:
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because of positional value? That's where the guards are most valuable! They won't draft a guard top 10 maybe, but at 25 is where a top guard should go.


1st round guards have a very high hit rate. I also want one of my guards to be very good and RG in particular is the 3rd most important position on the OL and you need a good one that can take on either the nose or 3 tech by himself. This allows the center and LG to shift their protection to the left.

Tell me there wouldn't be value in drafting Alen Faneca or Snee at pick 25?
Wouldn't mind it  
jeff57 : 1/30/2023 11:05 am : link
Fills a need certainly and would improve both the run and pass game. I just don't want a reach for a WR.
I'd keep an eye on Jaxon Smith-Njigba.  
MOOPS : 1/30/2023 11:15 am : link
Just sayin.
I think they’d take every player  
ajr2456 : 1/30/2023 11:24 am : link
Taken after besides Johnson and Robinson over Torrence.
RE: I'd keep an eye on Jaxon Smith-Njigba.  
jeff57 : 1/30/2023 11:29 am : link
In comment 16019732 MOOPS said:
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Just sayin.


He's the Giants pick on 3/4 of the mocks I see. Which makes me happy because they're never right that far down in the first round. Don't want another receiver with bad hammys.
RE: RE: I'd keep an eye on Jaxon Smith-Njigba.  
MOOPS : 1/30/2023 11:48 am : link
In comment 16019747 jeff57 said:
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In comment 16019732 MOOPS said:


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Just sayin.



He's the Giants pick on 3/4 of the mocks I see. Which makes me happy because they're never right that far down in the first round. Don't want another receiver with bad hammys.


Way too early obviously. I'm hearing the love from a guy with an OSU connection. I know, kind of obscure.
I doubt the Giants will invest another first-round pick in the O line,  
81_Great_Dane : 1/30/2023 12:06 pm : link
but maybe they should.
Giants are in a good spot  
GiantJake : 1/30/2023 12:44 pm : link
Sit and see what drops. Move up a little, move down a little. If the Giants are committed to signing Jones, it's almost better to be picking at the end of the round. Legit top talents drop every year. Find the right one and save a little cash. Maybe someone wants to trade back into the first round. Schoen will be open for business and the Giants will have options.
Just because some of the top WR are taken  
BillT : 1/30/2023 2:38 pm : link
Doesn’t mean there aren’t WR with good value left on the board. And if they are then a good CB will be there and you can get a WR in round 2. But I believe Schoen will address WR early and often. A talent upgrade there is a must.
RE: Posters on the board need to start getting used to what  
KDavies : 1/30/2023 3:06 pm : link
In comment 16019649 chick310 said:
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comes with picking later in Rd One all of sudden versus typically sitting within the Top 10 during the Gettleman regime.

Many more postions in play as the truly elite prospects are off the board. And now the evaluations potentially turning to getting the 4th highest ranked player at a prime position or (one of need for the more desperate GM-types) versus the top or near top ranked player at possibly a different one.

That's how Toney got pulled up by the guys that are no longer here.


Agreed. Position value is still important, but the later you get in the 1st round, the more likely the top DE, WR, QB, OT, and CBs are off the board. A lot of times guards, LBs, safeties are the best picks there.

I'm hoping for a CB, edge, or WR that they love to be there, but if you don't have the grades on the guy, you may be better off going for the top G.
I wouldn't rule out  
Kmed6000 : 1/30/2023 3:41 pm : link
TE either
In general...  
Milton : 1/30/2023 4:10 pm : link
There are about 18-22 prospects that get 1st round grades from teams, but they aren't necessarily the same 18-22, so picking at #25, there is a chance that a prospect that the Giants have a 1st round grade on makes its way to the 25th pick. If that's the case, it doesn't matter the position, they will draft him (assuming he's the last prospect on their board with such a grade). If he's a QB and they just signed Jones to a 5-year deal, so be it. If it's a RB, so be it. So, yeah, if Torrence is that last guy left on their board with a 1st round grade, he is who they will draft.
I have a great idea lets keep drafting "skill position" players  
kelly : 1/30/2023 5:12 pm : link
and keep getting our asses kicked by the eagles and Dallas who control the line of scrimmage.

Are we watching the same Giants team?

We need to draft to control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.
RE: I cant see the Giants going G in the 1st round  
CornerStone246+17 : 1/30/2023 5:19 pm : link
In comment 16019603 Rudy5757 said:
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It will be WR/CB or something else. They will draft a few OL but I think it will be much later in the draft. They are probably penciling in Ezeudo at LG so it will be Thomas, Ezeudo, TBD, Glow and Neal.


Giants haven't drafted a guy they originally intended to play Gaurd in round 1 in 30-40 years. Don't think that changes this year.
RE: I have a great idea lets keep drafting  
Festina Lente : 1/30/2023 6:15 pm : link
In comment 16020213 kelly said:
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and keep getting our asses kicked by the eagles and Dallas who control the line of scrimmage.

Are we watching the same Giants team?

We need to draft to control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.



Yeah. That's why i am worried about the FA money with our impending contact extentions. Could really help getting a good vet OC this offseason. I wanted them to do that last summer. Hopefully they can manage something
Love it.  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 1/30/2023 6:31 pm : link
Hate the idea of going IOL early in the draft but after watching our OL this year I have no faith Bobby Johnson will develop a late round pick into a starter and we need multiple.
Less than 90 days to go  
Colin@gbn : 1/30/2023 8:02 pm : link
and we'll know for sure. Somebody above asked about the distribution of picks in the area the Giants are selecting, something I was curious about myself. I did a little research and it turns out that in fact almost half of all players selected 20-30 in the past decade were either WRs, CBs or DEs. In the same period the number of LBs, safeties, OTs and DTs selected were about half the number for the first three positions while there were smaller numbers for the QBs, RBs, OGs and centers.

Which is interesting because at least what we know at this time is that WR and CB appear to be the strength of the back half of the opening round if that's the way the Giants would want to. That's said there are 2-3 players at other positions that the Giants could conceivably look at as pure BPAs if they were still on the board at 25 and I would put Torrence in that group along with maybe Andre Carter and Michael Mayer.

The implication of the whole argument though is that the Giants, like most fans, will tick off the players taken ahead of them in this year's opening round and make a choice of those that make it to #25. And that's just not how teams approach the draft as pretty much all teams and especially the Giants will be much more proactive. In fact they will go into the draft either having identified 2-3 players that they really like regardless of position and/or more likely they'll have identified a position they want to address.

As an example say for this year if they have IDed WR as the position they want, they'll likely watch what happens with the top guys like Addison, Johnston and Njigba-Smith and if any come into range they likely consider trying to trade up. On the other hand, if they stay at #25 and either have somebody (like a Torrence) rated higher or if the 2-3 WRs with the same grade they'd likely consider trading down.

And looking at the structure of the CB class one would think they'd follow a similar path if that was the position they have targeted. I suppose it would also be possible if they were to say something like they'll sit tight at #25 and take the highest graded WR or CB still on the board at that time.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants went into the draft wanting to take both a WR AND a top corner and it wouldn't surprise me especially if they didn't get a WR at #25 that they would look to trade up in the 2nd round to get one of those good second-tier receivers. Heck it also shouldn't be a total shock if the Giants moved up in the 2nd to get a WR even if they got one in the first. How would adding say Hyatt AND a Rashee Rice or Josh Downs or ...
^^^^^  
Del Shofner : 1/30/2023 8:11 pm : link
along those lines, Walter Football has us taking CB Devin Witherspoon with our #1 pick and WR Cedric Tillman with our #2 pick. Good so far, but then they have us taking some WR coming off injury with our #3 pick, which I don'r like...

Walter Football 3-round mock draft - ( New Window )
If Giants dodn't have a number 1 WR  
giantstock : 1/30/2023 8:13 pm : link
In camp to start, expect a very bad year. The Offense will remain extremely limited without a supe WR (or Tight End).

There were a lot of games that could have gone either way. And the Giants schedule early on was God-awful.

Don't expect that much luck this time around.
RE: Less than 90 days to go  
CornerStone246+17 : 1/30/2023 8:14 pm : link
In comment 16020386 Colin@gbn said:
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and we'll know for sure. Somebody above asked about the distribution of picks in the area the Giants are selecting, something I was curious about myself. I did a little research and it turns out that in fact almost half of all players selected 20-30 in the past decade were either WRs, CBs or DEs. In the same period the number of LBs, safeties, OTs and DTs selected were about half the number for the first three positions while there were smaller numbers for the QBs, RBs, OGs and centers.

Which is interesting because at least what we know at this time is that WR and CB appear to be the strength of the back half of the opening round if that's the way the Giants would want to. That's said there are 2-3 players at other positions that the Giants could conceivably look at as pure BPAs if they were still on the board at 25 and I would put Torrence in that group along with maybe Andre Carter and Michael Mayer.

The implication of the whole argument though is that the Giants, like most fans, will tick off the players taken ahead of them in this year's opening round and make a choice of those that make it to #25. And that's just not how teams approach the draft as pretty much all teams and especially the Giants will be much more proactive. In fact they will go into the draft either having identified 2-3 players that they really like regardless of position and/or more likely they'll have identified a position they want to address.

As an example say for this year if they have IDed WR as the position they want, they'll likely watch what happens with the top guys like Addison, Johnston and Njigba-Smith and if any come into range they likely consider trying to trade up. On the other hand, if they stay at #25 and either have somebody (like a Torrence) rated higher or if the 2-3 WRs with the same grade they'd likely consider trading down.

And looking at the structure of the CB class one would think they'd follow a similar path if that was the position they have targeted. I suppose it would also be possible if they were to say something like they'll sit tight at #25 and take the highest graded WR or CB still on the board at that time.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants went into the draft wanting to take both a WR AND a top corner and it wouldn't surprise me especially if they didn't get a WR at #25 that they would look to trade up in the 2nd round to get one of those good second-tier receivers. Heck it also shouldn't be a total shock if the Giants moved up in the 2nd to get a WR even if they got one in the first. How would adding say Hyatt AND a Rashee Rice or Josh Downs or ...


Great insight Colin. I'm kinda of the thought that free agency could change the calculus a bit. Perhaps they succeed maintaining/creating enough flexibility after signing DJ and Barkley to get the WR via trade and M2M CB in FA like the Eagles pulled off last year.
RE: If Giants dodn't have a number 1 WR  
giantstock : 1/30/2023 8:15 pm : link
In comment 16020393 giantstock said:
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In camp to start, expect a very bad year. The Offense will remain extremely limited without a supe WR (or Tight End).

There were a lot of games that could have gone either way. And the Giants schedule early on was God-awful.

Don't expect that much luck this time around.


I didn't mean "super" WR.

I meant though they have to get a #1 WR.
RE: Love it.  
CornerStone246+17 : 1/30/2023 8:17 pm : link
In comment 16020304 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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Hate the idea of going IOL early in the draft but after watching our OL this year I have no faith Bobby Johnson will develop a late round pick into a starter and we need multiple.


Don't see it and I get it was his rookie year but can't imagine the Giants at least entertaining the thought in the back of their mind that Neal may have to be moved to OG.

Why not have an OT who can also play OG as the backup plan in case we need to move Neal.
So Hard To Predict This early  
LTIsTheGreatest : 1/31/2023 9:27 am : link
Still have the Senior Bowl, the scouting combine, where many players stock can rise and fall depending on how they perform at those practices and interviews with teams
The Athletic - Giants at the Senior Bowl, players to watch  
US1 Giants : 1/31/2023 9:39 am : link
Rashee Rice, WR, SMU
Dontayvion Wicks, WR, Virginia
DeMarvion Overshown, LB, Texas
O’Cyrus Torrence, G, Florida

https://theathletic.com/4139243/2023/01/31/giants-nfl-draft-senior-bowl/ - ( New Window )
Would love Jalen Hyatt - however  
Bob in Newburgh : 1/31/2023 10:00 am : link
I believe there will be little possibility he is available after he runs sub 4.3.

Not sure why his achievements are somewhat discounted.
RE: I have a great idea lets keep drafting  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/31/2023 10:08 am : link
In comment 16020213 kelly said:
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and keep getting our asses kicked by the eagles and Dallas who control the line of scrimmage.

Are we watching the same Giants team?

We need to draft to control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.

You still have to draft the best players, or you end up getting your ass kicked with players who weren't good enough to be drafted where you picked them, but happened to play the position you were hoping to address.
Even drafting late, you have to look for an impact player in the  
Ira : 1/31/2023 10:08 am : link
first round. If there's several players at the top of the list when that pick comes around, then use position to choose between them.
RE: No.  
JerrysKids : 1/31/2023 12:14 pm : link
In comment 16019617 blueblood said:
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Joe Schoen believes in psoitional value. 1st round your BEST values by position QB, LT, Edge, CB or WR. I cant see them going guard in round one.


That's ridiculous, Guard is very valuable as all the positions, if we have a great WR or Edge available at that spot go for it but there will be at least 3-4 in both positions that are off the board.
RE: Even drafting late, you have to look for an impact player in the  
JerrysKids : 1/31/2023 12:17 pm : link
In comment 16020589 Ira said:
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first round. If there's several players at the top of the list when that pick comes around, then use position to choose between them.


Any really good player regardless of the position will be a impact player. In other words positions that don't touch the ball make big impacts also.
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