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Hilary : 1/30/2023 10:29 am
The Eagles have 4 million in cap space for 2023.
They have 2 first round picks and the return of 2022 first - round pick who missed most of this season. Will Hurts demand a new contract? Will they lose a lot of talent and take a step back ?

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It’s not possible  
Breeze_94 : 1/30/2023 10:34 am : link
For them to retain a lot of key players. Cap is in bad shape not only for 2023, but also in 2024. They went all in on this year, and have a ton of void years/dead money that they will be facing as a result.

Graham & Cox
Hargrave - 11 sacks
TJ Edwards - very good LB
Gardner-Johnson
Miles Sanders (although Gainwell looks like a good replacement)
Bradberry
Kyzir White
Seamulo

Maybe 1 or 2 of those guys are back? Although I don’t really see any east way for them to clear cap space (besides Kelce retiring)

They do have 2 first rounders but only 6 picks total.

Their roster is going to be a lot worse next year
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Danny Kanell : 1/30/2023 10:41 am : link
They'll figure it out. They always do.
They will lose a lot of talent this offseason  
Jay on the Island : 1/30/2023 10:43 am : link
To those who don't want to click on the link here is a list of the Eagles pending UFA's:

Defense
DT Fletcher Cox
DT Javon Hargrave
DE Brandon Graham
DE Robert Quinn
CB James Bradberry
S Chauncey Gardner-Johnson
OLB Kyzir White
OLB TJ Edwards
DT Linval Joseph
DT Ndamukong Suh
S Marcus Epps

Offense
C Jason Kelce
G Isaac Seumalo
T Andre Dillard
RB Miles Sanders
RB Boston Scott
QB Gardner Minshew
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Jay on the Island : 1/30/2023 10:45 am : link
In comment 16019653 Danny Kanell said:
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They'll figure it out. They always do.

No they can't just figure it out. Jalen Hurts currently has a $4.7 million dollar cap hit for next season. He will get a massive extension this offseason in the $45 million AAV range. The Eagles will have to make room for that increase along with creating cap space to sign the draft picks and fill in the rest of their roster with cheap FA signings.
I really don't feel like discussing the Eagles at the moment  
Greg from LI : 1/30/2023 10:46 am : link
It's depressing to ponder how far ahead of the Giants they are.
There currently aren't any Eagles players for them to cut  
Jay on the Island : 1/30/2023 10:50 am : link
to save any cap room due to restructures. They will be letting most if not all of those FA's leave. The two likeliest players you would assume could be released are Lane Johnson and Slay as they have the biggest cap hits but because of restructures the Eagles can't cut them because they save very little money by doing so. Almost everyone of their highest paid players will incur more dead money than they save due to restructures. It could be a very ugly offseason for the Eagles.
Like every team, they'll come back to the pack  
bceagle05 : 1/30/2023 10:51 am : link
when Hurts gets paid - they're getting away with murder right now. That's why I was hoping someone - anyone - could keep them from a Super Bowl title this year, because the road will be tougher for them going forward.

Please, Kansas City - please.
RE: I really don't feel like discussing the Eagles at the moment  
Victor in CT : 1/30/2023 10:53 am : link
In comment 16019662 Greg from LI said:
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It's depressing to ponder how far ahead of the Giants they are.


true, but wouldn't it be great to poach Kelce from them for 2 yrs??
RE: I really don't feel like discussing the Eagles at the moment  
Jay on the Island : 1/30/2023 10:53 am : link
In comment 16019662 Greg from LI said:
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It's depressing to ponder how far ahead of the Giants they are.

Greg, if you see their cap situation for next season you will feel much better. They are going to have a drastically different roster next season.

I realize they have two 1st round picks next season but let's not pretend that Roseman is a great drafter in round 1. He took Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson. Andre Dillard the year before that and Derek Barnett, Carson Wentz, Marcus Smith, and 26 year old Danny Watkins.
Thankfully there’s a limit to comp picks  
Shecky : 1/30/2023 10:55 am : link
Because WOW, that’s a lot of good free agents leaving.
If the win in two weeks, it’s all worth it for them and brutal for us.

Buttttttt, if they lose!!!!!!
How many times have we heard that refrain before, though?  
Greg from LI : 1/30/2023 11:00 am : link
People have been predicting salary cap hell for the Eagles over and over in the past, and somehow it never seems to happen.

I hate the institution of salary caps and find them to be unrelenting dull and uninteresting to talk about, so I don't know the particulars. I just know that the Eagles historically pull a Houdini act when they are supposed to be capped out.
If only we had the same problem as the Eagles.  
BigBlue7 : 1/30/2023 11:02 am : link
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NoPeanutz : 1/30/2023 11:04 am : link
In comment 16019653 Danny Kanell said:
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They'll figure it out. They always do.

100%
If they ever need to trade off an abysmal contract or bad bet, Howie will always find someone to take it and give him first round picks and talent.
It's the only sure thing in the NFC East.
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Jay on the Island : 1/30/2023 11:14 am : link
In comment 16019710 NoPeanutz said:
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They'll figure it out. They always do.


100%
If they ever need to trade off an abysmal contract or bad bet, Howie will always find someone to take it and give him first round picks and talent.
It's the only sure thing in the NFC East.

Who will bail them out? Darius Slay and Lane Johnson are their highest cap hits next season and both will be 33. Their cap hits are $26.1 million and $24.1 million. If the Eagles did cut both they would only save $4.5 million in cap space.

Here is a breakdown of their cap situation with the dead cap hits for each player.

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TJ : 1/30/2023 11:14 am : link
In comment 16019661 Jay on the Island said:
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Jalen Hurts currently has a $4.7 million dollar cap hit for next season. He will get a massive extension this offseason in the $45 million AAV range.

If they really need one more year of low cost qb play they don't have to give Hurts an extension. Granted it might cost them more in the end that way but if the need really is to win now.........
If any team can trade out of cap issues is the Eagles  
George from PA : 1/30/2023 11:33 am : link
But I hope, it's time to pay pipper.
G Isaac Seumalo  
Paulie Walnuts : 1/30/2023 11:46 am : link
is a guy I would target watched him yesterday and he iso'ed on his man a lot and played flawlessly
Shecky  
SLIM_ : 1/30/2023 12:02 pm : link
Glad you brought that up because that is what had scared me. So what is the limit on picks and are there limits by rounds?
I am hoping their team flight...  
Chris in Philly : 1/30/2023 12:04 pm : link
is diverted to Crimea...
RE: I am hoping their team flight...  
Greg from LI : 1/30/2023 12:07 pm : link
In comment 16019798 Chris in Philly said:
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Or the moon. Whichever is easier.
RE: G Isaac Seumalo  
cosmicj : 1/30/2023 12:08 pm : link
In comment 16019768 Paulie Walnuts said:
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is a guy I would target watched him yesterday and he iso'ed on his man a lot and played flawlessly


Sy suggested him as a Giants FA target.
RE: I am hoping their team flight...  
cosmicj : 1/30/2023 12:10 pm : link
In comment 16019798 Chris in Philly said:
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is diverted to Crimea...


Their win yesterday upset me more than the divisional win vs the Giants. The unfairness of the result just got to me. I can accept the Eagles are better than the Giants. But to win a Super Bowl slot against a team that literally couldn’t field a thrower? That violates my sense of what the NFL is about.
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Chris in Philly : 1/30/2023 12:11 pm : link
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Their win yesterday upset me more than the divisional win vs the Giants. The unfairness of the result just got to me. I can accept the Eagles are better than the Giants. But to win a Super Bowl slot against a team that literally couldn’t field a thrower? That violates my sense of what the NFL is about.


If it makes us feel any better, the refs also decided to make sure the team with no passer had absolutely zero shot. FUCK!
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McNally's_Nuts : 1/30/2023 12:19 pm : link
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Their win yesterday upset me more than the divisional win vs the Giants. The unfairness of the result just got to me. I can accept the Eagles are better than the Giants. But to win a Super Bowl slot against a team that literally couldn’t field a thrower? That violates my sense of what the NFL is about.



If it makes us feel any better, the refs also decided to make sure the team with no passer had absolutely zero shot. FUCK!


It's funny how the refs suddenly remember delay of game penalties for the Eagles but ignore the 5-7x they commit false start. It's so obvious.
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mikeinbloomfield : 1/30/2023 12:24 pm : link
In comment 16019661 Jay on the Island said:
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They'll figure it out. They always do.


No they can't just figure it out. Jalen Hurts currently has a $4.7 million dollar cap hit for next season. He will get a massive extension this offseason in the $45 million AAV range. The Eagles will have to make room for that increase along with creating cap space to sign the draft picks and fill in the rest of their roster with cheap FA signings.


Sure, but who's on the bench we don't know about? Who are they going to draft? I agree that they'll have to drop some higher priced guys this year. I also know that their front office is competent, which means they have a plan.

Seems to me that they are planning to have a down year or two while the replacements get some experience, but I don't know if that is all that comforting.
They  
Sammo85 : 1/30/2023 12:27 pm : link
are going to lose a ton of players. Their D is what will be interesting to watch. itis veteran heavy and may be focus of their draft. They are likely to lose chunk of veterans Graham, Cox, Hargrave, Quinn, Suh, Bradberry, Edwards all right off bat. Hargrave and Bradberry to FA. I think they try to keep Gardner-Johnson short term but I have heard they really like Brian Branch.

Kelce, Cox, and Graham have all been floating retirement last year or two and Lane Johnson may only have a year or two left and Darius Slay is also a year to year CB at this point. Cox is one I could see come back on one year but I don’t see how they will be able to resign Hargrave at all.

Their Reddick signing paid nice dividends this year and was a good transition guy into next year as they’re not sure if Barnett will dependable coming back next year. I could even see them cut him and go with a draftee. Josh Sweat filled in decently although I think he looked better than he is because of the ridiculous talent elsewhere on their line this year.

They will try to use Nakobe Dean at LB but he’s a huge question mark going forward.

Roseman positioned himself understanding they’d need a big draft infusion over two years but if played well means they should be competitive and potentially resurgent as top contender again within year or two. The future test will be given Hurts escalation in salary and cap hit, sustaining a RB room and whether they keep Devonta Smith and AJ Brown both on huge contracts in 2 years.
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Jay on the Island : 1/30/2023 12:31 pm : link
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They'll figure it out. They always do.


No they can't just figure it out. Jalen Hurts currently has a $4.7 million dollar cap hit for next season. He will get a massive extension this offseason in the $45 million AAV range. The Eagles will have to make room for that increase along with creating cap space to sign the draft picks and fill in the rest of their roster with cheap FA signings.



Sure, but who's on the bench we don't know about? Who are they going to draft? I agree that they'll have to drop some higher priced guys this year. I also know that their front office is competent, which means they have a plan.

Seems to me that they are planning to have a down year or two while the replacements get some experience, but I don't know if that is all that comforting.

What makes this team special is their depth. The depth is going to take a huge hit especially if all four DT's are not back. That leaves Jordan Davis and Milton Williams at DT. Thats a solid duo but Davis is not a full time player.

Their OL should be ok with Cam Jurgens replacing Kelce is Kelce leaves but that opens up a hole at guard with the loss of Seumalo. Sure they will draft players but you can't expect every pick to turn into an immediate solid contributor. The Eagles only have 6 draft picks and two of those are 7th rounders.
I expect Roseman  
Sammo85 : 1/30/2023 12:39 pm : link
to trade down from one of his current firsts.
RE: How many times have we heard that refrain before, though?  
Breeze_94 : 1/30/2023 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16019704 Greg from LI said:
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People have been predicting salary cap hell for the Eagles over and over in the past, and somehow it never seems to happen.

I hate the institution of salary caps and find them to be unrelenting dull and uninteresting to talk about, so I don't know the particulars. I just know that the Eagles historically pull a Houdini act when they are supposed to be capped out.


That’s very true. They’ve been kicking the can down the road for seemingly a decade. But that road has to come to an end eventually.

They’ve gotten very fortunate- other front offices have gifted them. Colts taking Wentz contract off their hands (for a first round pick too). Saints basically give them a pro bowl FS (and a top 10 pick in a separate trade). Titans let a young all pro WR go (basically traded him for Treylon Burks).

They had minimal flexibility this year due to previous years off kicking the can- but moved a TON of money to 2023, 2024, and 2025. They’ll basically be paying guys like Graham, Cox, Kelce, Johnson, Hargrave, Slay for years- and those guys won’t be on the roster

You can delay the inevitable, but you can’t avoid it entirely. With a huge contract for Hurts looming, they simply cannot do what they’ve done for the past decade

That said, they do have some nice young players that will step into roles next year

Sanders -> Gainwell
Seamulo/Kelce -> Jurgens/Driscoll
Hargrave -> Davis
Edwards -> Dean

But I’d be amazed if the roster gets better.
RE: I expect Roseman  
Chris in Philly : 1/30/2023 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16019851 Sammo85 said:
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to trade down from one of his current firsts.


I would like a league-wide moratorium on trading with the Eagles. I don't know how that dweeb robs teams every year, but he does it every damn time.
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Sammo85 : 1/30/2023 1:08 pm : link
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to trade down from one of his current firsts.



I would like a league-wide moratorium on trading with the Eagles. I don't know how that dweeb robs teams every year, but he does it every damn time.


Yup. Eagles have had just as many misses as hits in draft but it’s been Rosemans ability to sort of quickly regroup drastically in conceptualizing the roster forward in terms of windows here or there and winning in trades that has been pretty amazing and he keeps doing it even over 4 different coaching cycles and nearly being fired amidst the Reid to Chip Kelly mess.

That said I’m somewhat doubtful they’re going to just be able to swap in guys who have been generational and foundational guys for them. Their depth will take a huge hit now and I’m not sure that OL will be “elite” every year. Kelce and Cox have been nothing short of transformational and game changing talents on their lines for last decade. That said they are set up to be top dog in NFCE until challenged. I don’t see Dallas sustaining their window much longer and expect them to fall off pace and may be forced to blow it up and retool around different QB as soon as next year.
And just like that  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/30/2023 1:15 pm : link
The eagles have an additional 14M in cap space due to the league wide increase.
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Russ in NH (formerly Queens) : 1/30/2023 1:24 pm : link
In comment 16019841 Sammo85 said:
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They will try to use Nakobe Dean at LB but he’s a huge question mark going forward.


I admit to not paying a great deal of attention to the personnel matters of other teams, but I was under the impression that Dean was good. Wasn't his name bandied about as a possibility for the Giants during the draft?

Apologies in advance for my ignorance.
Joseph and Suh  
Joe Beckwith : 1/30/2023 1:34 pm : link
were rentals.
They’ll do OK, but IMHO, 22/23 season was lightening in a bottle for them, and they are not as good as this season has been to them.
RE: G Isaac Seumalo  
Optimus-NY : 1/30/2023 1:37 pm : link
In comment 16019768 Paulie Walnuts said:
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is a guy I would target watched him yesterday and he iso'ed on his man a lot and played flawlessly


SAME!
Jordan Davis missed 4 games...not most of the season  
BSIMatt : 1/30/2023 1:43 pm : link
The reality is he wasn't playing as much, and as soon as the Eagles signed Linval Joseph...Joseph was an improvement over Davis(Eagles run defense improved with Joseph in the lineup over Davis--this is based on Eagles beat reports).
RE: I expect Roseman  
Optimus-NY : 1/30/2023 1:45 pm : link
In comment 16019851 Sammo85 said:
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to trade down from one of his current firsts.


I was thinking the same thing. He does a good job compiling assets and navigating the draft and gives his team more amo for the following year it seems each April.
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Sammo85 : 1/30/2023 1:50 pm : link
In comment 16019918 Russ in NH (formerly Queens) said:
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They will try to use Nakobe Dean at LB but he’s a huge question mark going forward.




I admit to not paying a great deal of attention to the personnel matters of other teams, but I was under the impression that Dean was good. Wasn't his name bandied about as a possibility for the Giants during the draft?

Apologies in advance for my ignorance.


Well he was a smart instinctive dynamo of a player in college but he also played on a stacked defense which allowed him to roam as a tackler and hunt a bit as a blitzer.

He had a significant injury (shoulder and upper body) which dropped him in draft. There are some questions about size and ability to shed blockers and coverage skills in bigger TEs. Some feel he’s best utilized in a sort of Swiss Army knife linebacker role than to be expected to be a MLB or true three down linebacker.


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Russ in NH (formerly Queens) : 1/30/2023 1:55 pm : link




In comment 16019841 Sammo85 said:

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Well he was a smart instinctive dynamo of a player in college but he also played on a stacked defense which allowed him to roam as a tackler and hunt a bit as a blitzer.

He had a significant injury (shoulder and upper body) which dropped him in draft. There are some questions about size and ability to shed blockers and coverage skills in bigger TEs. Some feel he’s best utilized in a sort of Swiss Army knife linebacker role than to be expected to be a MLB or true three down linebacker.



Ah. Thanks so much for the info. Makes sense.
They commit to the lines  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/30/2023 9:03 pm : link
as long as they continue to do that with success they will be a formidable team.

They drafted Kelce’s replacement. Will he be as good or close talent wise?

They will have to replace others in the lines. Will come down to how well they execute
For those worried about comp picks for the Eagles  
Rudy5757 : 1/31/2023 10:13 am : link
very few of their technical FA qualify in the formula because they have voidable years meaning they are technically being cut. Most the the guys they will lose to big contracts are on voided contracts.

Quinn
Cox
Hargrave
Bradberry
Seumalo
White
Edwards

the above wont count in the comp pick formula

Joeseph 35 years old
Suh 36 Years old

probably wont be getting comp pick money

So probably only Sanders, Gardner-Johnson and Epps will be part of that.

This is why a guy like Seumalo makes a lot of sense, you can sign him to a decent contract, steal him from a rival and not have it count towards comp picks.
aging roster but they have good younger guys in the pipeline  
JerrysKids : 1/31/2023 11:43 am : link
hate to admit it but they are the best franchise in the NFL nobody does better with drafting high quality players and rotates good coaching staffs. We have to find a way to beat the punks.
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