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Draft News: Hendon Hooker to be ready by training camp

ajr2456 : 1/30/2023 2:55 pm
Off crutches and expects to be ready by training camp.
Hooker - ( New Window )
he'll be turning tricks  
KDavies : 1/30/2023 2:56 pm : link
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He  
Toth029 : 1/30/2023 3:11 pm : link
Will also be 25 and six months old.

Very risky pick. Curious if Schoen drafts a QB but wouldn't be a bad idea if they can unload Tyrod.
IF he is a good NFL QB  
widmerseyebrow : 1/30/2023 3:26 pm : link
then the age becomes irrelevant. He'll be cost controlled for 4 years and its easier than ever for QBs to play into their mid to late 30s.
RE: he'll be turning tricks  
allstarjim : 1/30/2023 3:46 pm : link
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Yeah, to me the age thing is not really a factor. I can reasonably squint and see 8+ years of a QB prime there. QBs playing easily into their late 30s now, and I think Hooker is a good candidate to age well with his size and throwing talent.

I think the advantage of getting an older guy at the QB position is that he's perhaps a little more mature, both in a life sense and a football sense. He's played 45 college games, around 39 where he was the starter and finisher of the game (probably not exact), has shown improvement each year in completion %, topping out last season at a smidge under 70% as a passer, and at the same time, with a superb yards/attempt number at 9.5. 27-2 TD ratio last season, and the last two seasons together, an insane 58-5 TD-INT ratio.

I'd be very, very tempted to move up into the bottom of the first round to get him if he's there at pick 27 or later. I don't think Dallas or Philly would trade down with us so we could get him, but perhaps Buffalo or Cincinatti at pick 27 or 28. I think Denver is going to be very interested in him at 29 (they have San Francisco's pick).

I absolutely love him as a potential franchise QB. I think he could transform an organization in the short run.
RE: He  
Jay on the Island : 1/30/2023 4:08 pm : link
In comment 16020078 Toth029 said:
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Will also be 25 and six months old.

Very risky pick. Curious if Schoen drafts a QB but wouldn't be a bad idea if they can unload Tyrod.

Pass, unless they can get him on day 3.
RE: RE: he'll be turning tricks  
Jay on the Island : 1/30/2023 4:15 pm : link
In comment 16020136 allstarjim said:
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Yeah, to me the age thing is not really a factor. I can reasonably squint and see 8+ years of a QB prime there. QBs playing easily into their late 30s now, and I think Hooker is a good candidate to age well with his size and throwing talent.

I think the advantage of getting an older guy at the QB position is that he's perhaps a little more mature, both in a life sense and a football sense. He's played 45 college games, around 39 where he was the starter and finisher of the game (probably not exact), has shown improvement each year in completion %, topping out last season at a smidge under 70% as a passer, and at the same time, with a superb yards/attempt number at 9.5. 27-2 TD ratio last season, and the last two seasons together, an insane 58-5 TD-INT ratio.

I'd be very, very tempted to move up into the bottom of the first round to get him if he's there at pick 27 or later. I don't think Dallas or Philly would trade down with us so we could get him, but perhaps Buffalo or Cincinatti at pick 27 or 28. I think Denver is going to be very interested in him at 29 (they have San Francisco's pick).

I absolutely love him as a potential franchise QB. I think he could transform an organization in the short run.

The age in terms of his NFL career does not bother me. What bothers me about his age is that he's 5-6 years older than most of the players that he is going against. That's a significant advantage IMO.

Also I can't think of a rookie QB that came into the league at 25 that became a franchise QB.
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Greg from LI : 1/30/2023 4:41 pm : link
In comment 16020162 Jay on the Island said:
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Also I can't think of a rookie QB that came into the league at 25 that became a franchise QB.


Kurt Warner was a 27 year old rookie.
so I take it you wouldn't call Brandon Weeden a franchise QB?  
KDavies : 1/30/2023 4:42 pm : link
even Tannehill was 24, though don't know that I would call him a franchise QB. And Tannehill played WR his first couple years of college.

Same deal with Bennett (though he has the height issues as well). NFL teams do not like old QBs. They will not draft them high
RE: he'll be turning tricks  
Optimus-NY : 1/30/2023 5:48 pm : link
In comment 16020060 KDavies said:
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1 pop or two?
Johnny Unitas  
HomerJones45 : 1/30/2023 5:50 pm : link
was 5 months short of his 26th birthday during the OT championship game. He only became the starter the year before- he turned out ok.

Len Dawson was 32 before he got to play against an NFL team. He was pretty good too.

What a bizarre criteria. That is not to say Hooker would be good, bad or indifferent, but why make his age the make or break criteria.
Both Burrow and Pickett were a little older  
Producer : 1/30/2023 6:02 pm : link
Depends how good his basic QB skills are.

Reading, progressions, ball placement...
RE: Both Burrow and Pickett were a little older  
Mike in NY : 1/30/2023 6:05 pm : link
In comment 16020271 Producer said:
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Depends how good his basic QB skills are.

Reading, progressions, ball placement...


Burrow was older though not quite as old and really didn't play much at Ohio State. Pickett was more of a concern because he basically had 1 good season in 4+ as a starter and it was his final year with a lot of returning players around him.
It is always in the best interest of a player to lie about his health  
Marty in Albany : 1/30/2023 6:07 pm : link
and say he will be ready by a certain date. So "Draft News" is really "Draft BS"
Hooker  
Toth029 : 1/30/2023 8:17 pm : link
Will be 2 yrs older than Burrow at the time they were drafted.
Marty is spot on  
gersh : 1/30/2023 9:03 pm : link
He also said he’s the best player in the draft
…..  
gersh : 1/30/2023 9:11 pm : link
Hooker claims he is the best player in the draft.
I don't know what  
section125 : 1/30/2023 9:48 pm : link
he will be ready for - sitting the sidelines with the trainers?
I seriously doubt he can get into a football scrum that quickly and safely.

But I do like him and I would take him in the 3rd round, but he will not be around.
Any relation  
JohnF : 1/30/2023 10:26 pm : link
to the best ever NFL name?

Isn't this QB closer to 30 years old?  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 1/31/2023 9:13 am : link
just asking
RE: RE: he'll be turning tricks  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/31/2023 9:46 am : link
In comment 16020136 allstarjim said:
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Yeah, to me the age thing is not really a factor. I can reasonably squint and see 8+ years of a QB prime there. QBs playing easily into their late 30s now, and I think Hooker is a good candidate to age well with his size and throwing talent.

I think the advantage of getting an older guy at the QB position is that he's perhaps a little more mature, both in a life sense and a football sense. He's played 45 college games, around 39 where he was the starter and finisher of the game (probably not exact), has shown improvement each year in completion %, topping out last season at a smidge under 70% as a passer, and at the same time, with a superb yards/attempt number at 9.5. 27-2 TD ratio last season, and the last two seasons together, an insane 58-5 TD-INT ratio.

I'd be very, very tempted to move up into the bottom of the first round to get him if he's there at pick 27 or later. I don't think Dallas or Philly would trade down with us so we could get him, but perhaps Buffalo or Cincinatti at pick 27 or 28. I think Denver is going to be very interested in him at 29 (they have San Francisco's pick).

I absolutely love him as a potential franchise QB. I think he could transform an organization in the short run.


Based on what you wrote, just curious why he would go that late, just due to the injury?
While I understand the 'Man among boys  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/31/2023 3:09 pm : link
He was an overage QB playing at low level of competition.
While I understand the 'man among boys' concern...  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/31/2023 3:11 pm : link
... with an overage QB, I think that issue is largely offset by the high level of competition in the SEC. It would be a different matter if Hooker were playing Division II ball against 19-year-olds.
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allstarjim : 1/31/2023 3:14 pm : link
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Yeah, to me the age thing is not really a factor. I can reasonably squint and see 8+ years of a QB prime there. QBs playing easily into their late 30s now, and I think Hooker is a good candidate to age well with his size and throwing talent.

I think the advantage of getting an older guy at the QB position is that he's perhaps a little more mature, both in a life sense and a football sense. He's played 45 college games, around 39 where he was the starter and finisher of the game (probably not exact), has shown improvement each year in completion %, topping out last season at a smidge under 70% as a passer, and at the same time, with a superb yards/attempt number at 9.5. 27-2 TD ratio last season, and the last two seasons together, an insane 58-5 TD-INT ratio.

I'd be very, very tempted to move up into the bottom of the first round to get him if he's there at pick 27 or later. I don't think Dallas or Philly would trade down with us so we could get him, but perhaps Buffalo or Cincinatti at pick 27 or 28. I think Denver is going to be very interested in him at 29 (they have San Francisco's pick).

I absolutely love him as a potential franchise QB. I think he could transform an organization in the short run.



Based on what you wrote, just curious why he would go that late, just due to the injury?


Jim, the early draft prognosticators don't have him that high for some reason, perhaps age-related. The injury is certainly a factor. Todd McShay says he has him as his QB4 and had him as a day 2 pick even before the injury. I think this is nuts, completely bat-shit crazy, and while people are trotting out these projections (PFF has an article up projecting him as a day 3 pick, uh, no), I wouldn't be surprised if he even went as high as #9 overall to Carolina.

He's the prototypical size, has plus athletic ability, a strong arm, and statistical improvement over his collegiate career, including in the SEC where he was at times, dominant. Further, there may be some that want to attribute his gaudy statistics to the talent around him, with projected early draft picks (probably day 2) in wide receivers Cedric Tillman and Jalin Hyatt.

That said, this didn't seem to hurt Joe Burrow, going #1, who had absurd talent at receiver, with Ja'Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson (good gawd, I'd kill to have both on my fantasy team), and Terrace Marshall was his 3rd receiver!

Granted, Joe Burrow, at 2 years younger than Hooker, had perhaps the greatest statistical QB season in CFB history in 2019, nearly 5700 passing yards, a 60-6 TD-INT ratio, 76.3% completion, on 10.8 yards/attempt. Truly absurd, video game numbers.

Hooker though, excites me, mostly due to the following numbers: 27-2 TD-INT, (58-5 over the past two seasons), and 69.6% completion paired with a 9.5 yards/attempt...this is not check-down Charlie. Coupled with the athletic ability, while the ACL is a concern and may portend more risk, the upside is a top-tier franchise QB. My belief is even though Bryce Young has great numbers as well, Hooker's is even a smidge better, and he doesn't carry the size concerns that Young has, which I think is an equalizer in terms of risk.

Hooker checks the boxes. I do realize that QBs have had success at Young's size, but there are fewer examples. I much prefer QBs at Hooker's size and physical profile, which is the ideal NFL QB prototype. This is also why I prefer Stroud to Young.

I think the day 2 projections for a QB with what Hooker has done, given the whole package, is overly pessimistic and when the draft comes around, I think we'll find that out definitively when Hooker goes in the first round.
I think the lower draft prognostications  
Now Mike in MD : 1/31/2023 3:50 pm : link
are a function of the offense he plays in. I think people are suspicious that the numbers are a function of a pretty tricked up offense especially when one considers he was pretty average at VT. There are also probably concerns because the system was really dominated by one read routes. Also, because of the offense, according top PFF, Hooker led the Power 5 in 20 yard completions that only earned a .5 grade; in other words, he was a completing a ton of wide open deep throws.

Remember, Heupel's QBs usually put up monster numbers that don't translate to NFL success, eg Dillon Gabriel, Drew Lock
If nothing else we need a back up  
kelly : 1/31/2023 5:14 pm : link
Taylor is too expensive to remain the back up.
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