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From the archives: Hypothetical Eli trades from August 2007

Sean : 1/30/2023 8:10 pm
I was browsing through some of the forum archives and came across this thread. Amazing to think BBI’ers were debating Eli Manning and Marc Bulger at this time. Or could you imagine if Manning was traded for Carson Palmer prior to the 2007 season?

Patience really did pay off.
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Vince Young  
Toth029 : 1/30/2023 8:13 pm : link
Lmao
Eric claims Giants fans are getting dumber  
Ben in Tampa : 1/30/2023 8:31 pm : link
But I’m not so sure after reading through that thread :)
Funny. It was 15 years ago and the idiots then are the same ones who  
Ivan15 : 1/30/2023 8:55 pm : link
Are idiots now.
......  
Route 9 : 1/30/2023 9:07 pm : link
Vince Young lol
SMH reading that  
Payasdaddy : 1/30/2023 10:16 pm : link
Clearly most of us may have stayed at a holiday inn express last night but we aren’t qualified for GM
I was not posting then so I am not one of the guilty
I really can't understand the Bulger love back then  
PatersonPlank : 1/30/2023 10:42 pm : link
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The last comment is Nostradamus like  
eric2425ny : 1/31/2023 12:16 am : link
“He will surprise you this year.”

Seeing names like JP Losman and Matt Leinart in this thread as potential Eli trade compensation is amazing lol.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2023 5:24 am : link
P. Manning, Palmer,
SanFranGiantsFan : 8/20/2007 8:15 pm : link
Brady, Hasselback, Brees, and McNabb (assuming he's healthy).
Eli is going to be a very good quarterback. Does he have moments that make you scratch your head? Yes. But he's got the talent, pedigree, desire, and intelligence to be great.

Not a bad take from moi, if I may pat myself on the back. Haha.
RE: ...  
Sean : 1/31/2023 6:17 am : link
In comment 16020494 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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P. Manning, Palmer,
SanFranGiantsFan : 8/20/2007 8:15 pm : link
Brady, Hasselback, Brees, and McNabb (assuming he's healthy).
Eli is going to be a very good quarterback. Does he have moments that make you scratch your head? Yes. But he's got the talent, pedigree, desire, and intelligence to be great.

Not a bad take from moi, if I may pat myself on the back. Haha.

Yes that was a good take. Although trading Manning for Palmer, Hasselback or McNabb would have been a disaster.
I think  
g56blue10 : 1/31/2023 8:09 am : link
Eric’s patience’s is just becoming less. Fans have always been stupid
KWALL was a solid poster. I don't remember him being so anti-Eli  
Anakim : 1/31/2023 8:35 am : link
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I knew a guy from our son's baseball team, would start anti-Eli  
Victor in CT : 1/31/2023 8:40 am : link
nonsense with me, insisted that David Carr should have been playing. UGH.

ELi's biggest problems early were 1) they gave him no chance to get comfortable likw PIT did with Ben. Instead of relying on the running game more they had him running the whole playbook. 2) Cancers like Shockey weren't removed soon enough.
lol Wow  
Johnny5 : 1/31/2023 9:29 am : link
That thread looks like it could have been written every day for the past 2 years. Just refresh the QB options... lol
RE: Eric claims Giants fans are getting dumber  
TheBlueprintNC : 1/31/2023 9:44 am : link
In comment 16020406 Ben in Tampa said:
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But I’m not so sure after reading through that thread :)


Dumb ones are def more vocal
Overall I thought the responses were  
mfjmfj : 1/31/2023 9:53 am : link
pretty measured. If you had to draw a consensus, it holds up pretty well - yes for Peyton, Brady, Brees, Palmer - still all definite yeses except maybe Palmer.

maybe for McNabb and Bulger. Definitely no now.

too soon for Big Ben, Rivers, Romo - I think all of those are about a push, although obviously nobody matches Eli's SB heroics.

If you could go back, the only obvious one that no one mentioned - Rodgers. Obviously he was still a backup.

Apply it to today, and somebody we think is great will fall off quickly (see Russel Wilson, 2022) and somebody no one is thinking of will be a star.

RE: Funny. It was 15 years ago and the idiots then are the same ones who  
Jim in Tampa : 1/31/2023 10:07 am : link
In comment 16020420 Ivan15 said:
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Are idiots now.

Really?

44 people posted on that thread and 34 of them haven't posted a while (and most of those 34 are LONG gone.)

Here is a list of those 10 people who remain active on BBI:

rnargi
Big Blue '56
Paulie Walnuts
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy
cosmicj
Dan in the Springs
BigBlueCane
santacruzom
djm
SanFranGiantsFan

Which of those 10 posters are the SAME idiots THEN who are idiots NOW?

(My guess is that it's none of the above and you just wanted to have an excuse to call the DJ "haters" idiots.)
Oh Good  
Blueworm : 1/31/2023 10:22 am : link
DJ is on the verge of greatness.

$50M/year
RE: RE: Funny. It was 15 years ago and the idiots then are the same ones who  
Anakim : 1/31/2023 10:24 am : link
In comment 16020587 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 16020420 Ivan15 said:


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Are idiots now.


Really?

44 people posted on that thread and 34 of them haven't posted a while (and most of those 34 are LONG gone.)

Here is a list of those 10 people who remain active on BBI:

rnargi
Big Blue '56
Paulie Walnuts
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy
cosmicj
Dan in the Springs
BigBlueCane
santacruzom
djm
SanFranGiantsFan

Which of those 10 posters are the SAME idiots THEN who are idiots NOW?

(My guess is that it's none of the above and you just wanted to have an excuse to call the DJ "haters" idiots.)


In 2007, I was still probably posting about how uncool Meg Griffin is
RE: I really can't understand the Bulger love back then  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2023 11:14 am : link
In comment 16020470 PatersonPlank said:
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Bulger was coming off what turned out to be, by far, the best season of his career in 2006. 4300 yards, 24 TDs to just 8 INTs.
I remember KWALL or Go Terps  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/31/2023 1:08 pm : link
absolutely loving Bulger. I forgot how much hype he had. Looks like I got Bulger and Palmer over Eli wrong, but atleast I didn't post anything really stupid there.
Bulger - Jeeeezus  
3000_MilesToMeadowlands : 1/31/2023 1:17 pm : link
I can still hear Chris Berman doing the "if I only had a brain" Wizard of Oz song during Rams highlights. Somebody make it stop!! All because the scarecrow was played by actor Ray Bolger - Berman, you're reaching wildly Big Guy. Carson Palmer with Brady & Manning = class of the league. Good one! Palmer was decent, but will not be going to Canton. Brees 2nd Tier, I'll let him know.
I would say Palmer was better than decent  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2023 1:19 pm : link
Had he stayed healthy, I think he would have had a helluva career.
RE: I remember KWALL or Go Terps  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2023 1:21 pm : link
In comment 16020816 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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absolutely loving Bulger. I forgot how much hype he had. Looks like I got Bulger and Palmer over Eli wrong, but atleast I didn't post anything really stupid there.


Sounds more like KWALL, he was all about elite athleticism (which Bulger didn't have) and stat production (which he did have). Terps was always about whether that guy's team won or not, and Bulger's W/L record as starter wasn't great.
I always liked Kwall  
djm : 1/31/2023 1:26 pm : link
he was athletic-centric but he was objective, even if he didn't necessarily love Eli. His threads were fun.

I am surprised I didn't go ape shit once Jay Cutler's name was mentioned as I LOVED to hate how overrated he was back then. At least I called out the Romo takes. Interestingly his career hasn't really taken off other than that first 6 or so games from 2006. He would go on to have a very good career, just couldn't close in January.

Cutler was trash even before this truth became widely accepted.
Romo  
djm : 1/31/2023 1:27 pm : link
final 6 or so games or whatever it was. PRobably more like 12.
RE: I would say Palmer was better than decent  
bw in dc : 1/31/2023 1:31 pm : link
In comment 16020835 Greg from LI said:
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Had he stayed healthy, I think he would have had a helluva career.


A great thrower of the football. That cheap shot by von Oelhoffen in the 2005 playoffs and playing for Mike Brown stunted his career for a few years.

RE: RE: I would say Palmer was better than decent  
BillKo : 1/31/2023 2:08 pm : link
In comment 16020852 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16020835 Greg from LI said:


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Had he stayed healthy, I think he would have had a helluva career.



A great thrower of the football. That cheap shot by von Oelhoffen in the 2005 playoffs and playing for Mike Brown stunted his career for a few years.


Didn't it do more than stunt his career?

I mean at the time, he was probably the 3rd best QB in the league as I remember.

His career really went south after that. Wouldn't play for Cincy then to the Raiders? After that he regained some form in AZ but never like before the injury.

At least that's what I remember.
RE: RE: RE: I would say Palmer was better than decent  
Victor in CT : 1/31/2023 2:14 pm : link
In comment 16020905 BillKo said:
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In comment 16020852 bw in dc said:


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In comment 16020835 Greg from LI said:


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Had he stayed healthy, I think he would have had a helluva career.



A great thrower of the football. That cheap shot by von Oelhoffen in the 2005 playoffs and playing for Mike Brown stunted his career for a few years.




Didn't it do more than stunt his career?

I mean at the time, he was probably the 3rd best QB in the league as I remember.

His career really went south after that. Wouldn't play for Cincy then to the Raiders? After that he regained some form in AZ but never like before the injury.

At least that's what I remember.


that's how I remember it too. he was really on the rise before that injury ruined him
RE: I would say Palmer was better than decent  
Johnny5 : 1/31/2023 2:14 pm : link
In comment 16020835 Greg from LI said:
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Had he stayed healthy, I think he would have had a helluva career.

Absolutely. Jesse should have been starting for the Giants.
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