In the spirit of the 2007 trade Eli thread. What QB would you trade DJ for. For the purposes of this analysis, assume DJ is signed for 4/$110MM $75 guaranteed - don't want to argue if that is the right contract, just want to hear thought about who you would take on their current contract if those were DJ's numbers.
Some obvious yeses - Burrows, Mahomes, Allen, Herbert
Some obvious nos - Wilson, Murray, Rodgers, Ryan, Wentz
Feel free to disagree on the obvious.
So who else. Watson, Prescott, definite nos for me. No to Stafford at his cap hit ($150/3) and age. Goff probably not (2/$60). Lawrence a definite yes. Tannehill no based on age and only 1 year on contract. Carr? maybe the toughest call. 3/$120/$40 guaranteed. Better contract than DJ if you want to get out after 1 year. Worse if you are thinking long term hold.
So what do you think. Anyone you drool over that is not mentioned? Anyone of my obviouses that you have different answer? Jump in!
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In comment 16021599 ajr2456 said:
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Jones doesn’t have throws like these in his arsenal
https://twitter.com/pfn365/status/1607558303042895879?s=46&t=hf6alpV7mFSYWy3m0dfNfg
https://twitter.com/robschiff316/status/1602124366657069057?s=46&t=hf6alpV7mFSYWy3m0dfNfg
https://twitter.com/justinbtw_/status/1604675379444256769?s=46&t=hf6alpV7mFSYWy3m0dfNfg
I’m sure he’ll do well in the skills competition.
94 touchdowns in 3 years on the field with a down year.
Kirk Cousins level. Actually 3 less than Kirk. You don’t think DJ can replicate the 2 TD per game rate we saw as a rookie if he had decent skill players and more passing volume?
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I don't know and neither do you. Nobody knows. Logic dictates that no, Jones does not have those numbers. He was incomplete when drafted.
What are you talking about? Jones was deemed the most pro ready QB in the 2019 draft as he played three years under Cutcliffe.
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In comment 16021352 Sean said:
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That’s where I struggle. I don’t like Jones enough to give him a blank check, so I’m saying right there he’s limited. You can’t overpay QB’s like Mahomes, they talent is overwhelming.
But, Jones is good enough to get in the playoffs and has won a road playoff game. Would I rather that than the Jets, Falcons or Saints? I’d rather have Jones than have no one.
It’s hard to find that guy. So hopefully the contract is reasonable and then Schoen can pounce when the time is right to upgrade.
This is one of the dumbest arguments I've seen that keeps coming up...
DJ has 60 passing TDs in 4 years...Herbert has 94 in THREE.
In Herbert's worst year he threw for 25 TDs...in 2019, DJs best year, he threw for 24.
I Herbert's best year, he threw for 38 TDs...DJ has 37 passing TDs in the last THREE YEARS COMBINED.
Herbert had torn cartilage in his ribs this year, DJ was healthy. Herbert still threw for 10 more TDs.
Those saying they wouldn't trade for Herbert are morons. You know who would trade for Herbert...Schoen...and he'd do it in a second. Stop the stupidity! Get back to comparing DJ to Tanbehill...even though Tannehill has better career numbers.
What part of different offenses do you not understand? How hard is it to comprehend that one team is designed to throw the football all game and the other is designed to control the game through running the ball? What part of throwing the ball 1.5 times as many times per game produces 50% more yards through the air?
With all those yards that Herbert has, how many playoff wins do they have in those three years?
You are probably right that Schoen swaps Herbert for Jones because even marginal improvement is a step in the right direction. We even know that DG would have taken Herbert had he come out in 2019. Herbert has great numbers, how has that done for the Chargers?
What part of better QB do you not understand? This originated with DJ fans upset the Herbert was ranked 5th and DJ 15th, in some talking head's list if the best NFL QBs. Then the DJ fans started cherry picking stats, from one year, to try to make an argument. When presented with career stats to backup the rankings, you resort back to hypotheticals, feelings, and hopes to make your case.
In ANY OFFENSE, Herbert is a better QB.
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In comment 16021115 section125 said:
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I didn't bring up stats. Re-read what I wrote. I simply said this was Herbert's poorest season of his career. And for Jones, this was the best year of his career. Can we agree on that?
If you are giving Jones mulligans for his second and third years, can I give Herbert a mulligan for this year? ;)
If you did not use stats, how did you come to your conclusion - how did you conclude that this was Herbert's worst season? (Your reply is approaching Producer level - ha ha j/k) You may not have stated stats, but your thought process certainly included them or else there is no comparison possible.
No, Herbert's "poor" year vs what Jones went through his previous two seasons are not comparable(and they are just different) - they are simply not by any logical conclusion. One had a smart, competent HC, OC and supporting players. The other had an incompetent HC and a overmatched and strangulated OC with a simplistic offensive plan with lack of direction and creativity, plus a lack of supporting players. I say this because look what the current coaching staff did vs the previous staff.
And, QBs(players) are allowed to have off years because injuries occur and they are not machines - so Herbert does have some excuse/allowance for being a bit off.
It appears, that beside his own limitations, Jones was absolutely a victim of poor coaching. Take away the turnovers, and Jones 1st year was very good. What happened between year 1 and year 4?
You don't like stats (I wouldn't either if I was a DJ fan), but then say, "take away the turnovers (a stat)"? DJ has "taken away the turnovers", since his rookie year, and it's resulted in 36 passing TDs in 41 games?
Do us all a favor...list all the QBs, making $30+ million per year, who haven't thrown for 1 TD per game in any of their last 3 seasons. Don't start making excuses, just list them.
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Good luck!
Megalomaniac is a novel one. For literally writing a mainstream opinion. Do we all know what megalomaniac means? I'd love to know who you voted for Walker -- if you think my behavior here looks like megalomania to you.
Mon ami, I know exacty what megalomania means, for the record I would say there is a about a .005% chance you are better educated than I so don't be a condescing jerk off. I will say that you are halway adept at the strawman game because I didn't say a word about Hebert but good try! And if you must know I usually vote Green as I have a complete disdain for both parties!