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Timing of DJ Contract

The Dude : 1/31/2023 1:05 pm
Daniel Jones doesn't get discussed on here enough, wanted to make a thread on him.

I've actually posed the question(s) before the Vikings game, and then again in a recent thread.


Is NYG trying to get this deal done asap? Helps them lock him in and build things around that in March.

I'd assume the agents are in favor of waiting until near FA to drum up interest & ultimately increase the $$$$$?

When do QB's normally get extended by teams? Would it be unorthodox if the deal gets done in February? It's a bit different vs other QB's because on not sure any recent QB's were at the very end of their contract before getting "the bag". I could be wrong though, BBI knows better than I.

Any asshat knowledge?

It isn't unorthodox but nothing is final until the new league year.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/31/2023 1:09 pm : link
However, we've seen trades go down shortly after the season with QBs. I think Wentz was done early. Was Stafford? Deals can get done at any point but you may not hear a lot of chatter right away.
Of course they are  
jc in c-ville : 1/31/2023 1:09 pm : link
What else would they be doing?
I’m sure they’re trying  
giantBCP : 1/31/2023 1:13 pm : link
but I also think that they’re finding it difficult. Who could have envisioned that letting your promising QB hit free agency might not have been a great idea?
Senior Bowl is this week  
blueblood : 1/31/2023 1:13 pm : link
Agents are at the Senior Bowl and GMs. Talks will be had.
RE: I’m sure they’re trying  
Payasdaddy : 1/31/2023 1:24 pm : link
In comment 16020826 giantBCP said:
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but I also think that they’re finding it difficult. Who could have envisioned that letting your promising QB hit free agency might not have been a great idea?


He wasn’t that “promising “ going into the season. Daboll and jones worked well in getting his game to the next level
But no one had a problem not picking up 5th yr option in may of 22
RE: I’m sure they’re trying  
Ivan15 : 1/31/2023 1:41 pm : link
In comment 16020826 giantBCP said:
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but I also think that they’re finding it difficult. Who could have envisioned that letting your promising QB hit free agency might not have been a great idea?

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It was a great idea if they wanted to make a decision on their QB instead of letting it drag out for another year.
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Would be a great 30 min TV show  
3000_MilesToMeadowlands : 1/31/2023 1:47 pm : link
Just what happens behind the scenes . . . Are Jones' agents saying: let's get a better handle on what we can get? Let Schoen sweat a little. What is Jones' attitude about the 30 mill, vs 35 or 40 per year? I was thinking of a 75 ft. cabin cruiser, not a 50 footer.

It must start with Schoen et. al. providing an initial offer - probably in the neighborhood of the tag amount $32 mill/yr for 3 or 4 years. Then Jones' team comes back with the "MegaMillions Special" . . . and back & forth we go, but can they meet in the middle with both sides happy? TBD
RE: RE: I’m sure they’re trying  
joeinpa : 1/31/2023 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16020843 Payasdaddy said:
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but I also think that they’re finding it difficult. Who could have envisioned that letting your promising QB hit free agency might not have been a great idea?



He wasn’t that “promising “ going into the season. Daboll and jones worked well in getting his game to the next level
But no one had a problem not picking up 5th yr option in may of 22


I don’t understand, given the physical talent of this quarterback, how you would balk at the term promising.

Physical attributes cannot be taught, the intangibles can, doesn’t mean it s a certainty they will be learned, but you don’t know that until you do.

I would also add that from my perspective watching him play I always saw potential which translates to promising

It s the special talent evaluators that see promise before others do,( how d the Eagles get Hurts in the second round, why did other teams not trade up for Mahomes. ) that stand out



RE: RE: I’m sure they’re trying  
giantBCP : 1/31/2023 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16020843 Payasdaddy said:
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but I also think that they’re finding it difficult. Who could have envisioned that letting your promising QB hit free agency might not have been a great idea?



He wasn’t that “promising “ going into the season. Daboll and jones worked well in getting his game to the next level
But no one had a problem not picking up 5th yr option in may of 22


Yeah sure. He was a scrub, and now he’s headed for $40m AAV contract because our coach is a QB wizard.
RE: I’m sure they’re trying  
The Dude : 1/31/2023 1:55 pm : link
In comment 16020826 giantBCP said:
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but I also think that they’re finding it difficult. Who could have envisioned that letting your promising QB hit free agency might not have been a great idea?


Eh, I think even those bullish on DJ cant fault the incoming front office for not applying the 5th year option. And even so, I'd argue the contract would still be huge... being reasonable i think the team is looking towards 2024 for being best built for contending. So the 25 or so DJ would be due isn't THAT*** huge to me. If i had to bet the front office after declining the option said, if we have to sign him to a contract at the end of the year... its a good problem to have! just my opinion though!
RE: RE: I’m sure they’re trying  
giantBCP : 1/31/2023 1:59 pm : link
In comment 16020885 The Dude said:
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but I also think that they’re finding it difficult. Who could have envisioned that letting your promising QB hit free agency might not have been a great idea?



Eh, I think even those bullish on DJ cant fault the incoming front office for not applying the 5th year option. And even so, I'd argue the contract would still be huge... being reasonable i think the team is looking towards 2024 for being best built for contending. So the 25 or so DJ would be due isn't THAT*** huge to me. If i had to bet the front office after declining the option said, if we have to sign him to a contract at the end of the year... its a good problem to have! just my opinion though!


The smart move would have been to pick up his option, and negotiate a long term contract based off that option last offseason.
RE: RE: I’m sure they’re trying  
joeinpa : 1/31/2023 1:59 pm : link
In comment 16020885 The Dude said:
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but I also think that they’re finding it difficult. Who could have envisioned that letting your promising QB hit free agency might not have been a great idea?



Eh, I think even those bullish on DJ cant fault the incoming front office for not applying the 5th year option. And even so, I'd argue the contract would still be huge... being reasonable i think the team is looking towards 2024 for being best built for contending. So the 25 or so DJ would be due isn't THAT*** huge to me. If i had to bet the front office after declining the option said, if we have to sign him to a contract at the end of the year... its a good problem to have! just my opinion though!


Agree, but durability might have been the biggest question mark
Jones is not going to get to FA without some sort of tag  
Rudy5757 : 1/31/2023 2:02 pm : link
even if the Giants want to sign him long term or trade him they need to control his rights. If you let him hit FA he's a goner for no return and that would be stupid even if the Giants dont want him. He would have trade value. It might hamper them if they tag him and dont want him but they can get something it a trade and it would most likely be a 1st rounder plus.

He will be a Giant long term this offseason, its best for both sides. The Giants can structure the contract so they can sign other players this season even if its keeping our own and DJ gets the security. I dont think either side wants to play on the tag.
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DefenseWins : 1/31/2023 2:03 pm : link
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but I also think that they’re finding it difficult. Who could have envisioned that letting your promising QB hit free agency might not have been a great idea?


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It was a great idea if they wanted to make a decision on their QB instead of letting it drag out for another year.
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what you are suggesting is this new GM and coach should have extended a player before working with him and seeing what he can do? You wanted them to just go off of game film? a huge contract like that?

If they extended him after walking in the building, it would have been irresponsible.
RE: RE: RE: I’m sure they’re trying  
giantBCP : 1/31/2023 2:14 pm : link
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but I also think that they’re finding it difficult. Who could have envisioned that letting your promising QB hit free agency might not have been a great idea?


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It was a great idea if they wanted to make a decision on their QB instead of letting it drag out for another year.
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what you are suggesting is this new GM and coach should have extended a player before working with him and seeing what he can do? You wanted them to just go off of game film? a huge contract like that?

If they extended him after walking in the building, it would have been irresponsible.


I guess we’re not signing any free agents, or drafting any players either, since we have the need to “work with them” before signing them.
RE: RE: RE: I’m sure they’re trying  
The Dude : 1/31/2023 2:15 pm : link
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but I also think that they’re finding it difficult. Who could have envisioned that letting your promising QB hit free agency might not have been a great idea?



Eh, I think even those bullish on DJ cant fault the incoming front office for not applying the 5th year option. And even so, I'd argue the contract would still be huge... being reasonable i think the team is looking towards 2024 for being best built for contending. So the 25 or so DJ would be due isn't THAT*** huge to me. If i had to bet the front office after declining the option said, if we have to sign him to a contract at the end of the year... its a good problem to have! just my opinion though!



The smart move would have been to pick up his option, and negotiate a long term contract based off that option last offseason.


In retrospect yes, but as i noted above...are you really faulting the front office for being hesitant in a guy that they hadn't worked with yet. New front offices tear down a ton since the beginning of time.

Listen I believe you if you think the Giants should have done that and you felt that way even last summer, but be self aware and realistic in what the front office should've do. Not sure you're doing so.
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DefenseWins : 1/31/2023 2:24 pm : link
In comment 16020924 giantBCP said:
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but I also think that they’re finding it difficult. Who could have envisioned that letting your promising QB hit free agency might not have been a great idea?


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It was a great idea if they wanted to make a decision on their QB instead of letting it drag out for another year.
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what you are suggesting is this new GM and coach should have extended a player before working with him and seeing what he can do? You wanted them to just go off of game film? a huge contract like that?

If they extended him after walking in the building, it would have been irresponsible.



I guess we’re not signing any free agents, or drafting any players either, since we have the need to “work with them” before signing them.


No.. we are talking about the most important position on the field and locking him into a multi year contract to be the highest paid player on the team.

Why cant you see the difference? If you can't, then I dont know what to tell you.

By the way, I would bet that the majority of the people here on this website would have lost their shit if Jones was signed to a multi year contract this past summer.
From Schoen’s  
Daniel in MI : 1/31/2023 2:29 pm : link
Perspective not signing DJ made sense. Lots of questions at that point: what kind of leader is he, how hard does he work, how does he take to Dabe’s system, how do they work together, how does he take coaching, can he improve on TOs, how’s his health, etc.? Meanwhile Schoen was trying to sort through our cap hell to get us out. If DJ succeeded iit’s a good problem.
RE: From Schoen’s  
giantBCP : 1/31/2023 2:39 pm : link
In comment 16020958 Daniel in MI said:
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Perspective not signing DJ made sense. Lots of questions at that point: what kind of leader is he, how hard does he work, how does he take to Dabe’s system, how do they work together, how does he take coaching, can he improve on TOs, how’s his health, etc.? Meanwhile Schoen was trying to sort through our cap hell to get us out. If DJ succeeded iit’s a good problem.


It was a high risk, low reward move to not pick up the option, even more so with the massive amount of cap space we have in 2023. Even if Jones failed he would still have been free to do whatever he wanted QB wise.
RE: It was a high risk, low reward move to not pick up the option  
Trainmaster : 1/31/2023 3:57 pm : link
I disagree (and I’m more pro than anti Jones).

Jones was coming off a neck injury. Publicly, there was some speculation his neck injury could be career limiting / threatening. For me, the injury concerns made signing the 5th year option in March? too risky.
I would take two first round picks for Jones  
kelly : 1/31/2023 5:12 pm : link
If he is not reasonable.

Schoen not going to let this drag out. Either sign or go get a better deal and we take two first round picks.
RE: RE: From Schoen’s  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/31/2023 5:27 pm : link
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Perspective not signing DJ made sense. Lots of questions at that point: what kind of leader is he, how hard does he work, how does he take to Dabe’s system, how do they work together, how does he take coaching, can he improve on TOs, how’s his health, etc.? Meanwhile Schoen was trying to sort through our cap hell to get us out. If DJ succeeded iit’s a good problem.



It was a high risk, low reward move to not pick up the option, even more so with the massive amount of cap space we have in 2023. Even if Jones failed he would still have been free to do whatever he wanted QB wise.

It's an interesting troll schtick to continue this anti-Schoen campaign, quite possibly the only thing remotely interesting about you at all.
RE: RE: RE: I’m sure they’re trying  
bw in dc : 1/31/2023 5:37 pm : link
In comment 16020890 giantBCP said:
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The smart move would have been to pick up his option, and negotiate a long term contract based off that option last offseason.


Let's get under the hood on this statement. Schoen and Daboll were walking into a situation where:

+ They didn't draft Jones.
+ Jones was coming off an impactful injury.
+ Jones was coming off two poor years.
+ Jones had durability issues.
+ Jones was regressing since his rookie year.

Can we agree those were all factors in play?

If so, why in the hell would any incoming GM/HC pick up the 5th year of a QB with all of the above concerns?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I’m sure they’re trying  
giantBCP : 1/31/2023 5:48 pm : link
In comment 16021200 bw in dc said:
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The smart move would have been to pick up his option, and negotiate a long term contract based off that option last offseason.



Let's get under the hood on this statement. Schoen and Daboll were walking into a situation where:

+ They didn't draft Jones. (Irrelevant)
+ Jones was coming off an impactful injury. (Doubtful. What sort of true neck injury doesn’t require surgery?)
+ Jones was coming off two poor years. (The team was)
+ Jones had durability issues. (Poor OL play and an inept coaching staff using you like a battering ram will do that to you.)
+ Jones was regressing since his rookie year. (If all you look at is passing TDs.)

Can we agree those were all factors in play?

If so, why in the hell would any incoming GM/HC pick up the 5th year of a QB with all of the above concerns?


In light of them not picking up his option, are they simply poor talent evaluators? Perhaps on par with posters on a message board.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I’m sure they’re trying  
bw in dc : 1/31/2023 5:59 pm : link
In comment 16021209 giantBCP said:
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In comment 16021200 bw in dc said:


The smart move would have been to pick up his option, and negotiate a long term contract based off that option last offseason.



Let's get under the hood on this statement. Schoen and Daboll were walking into a situation where:

+ They didn't draft Jones. (Irrelevant)
+ Jones was coming off an impactful injury. (Doubtful. What sort of true neck injury doesn’t require surgery?)
+ Jones was coming off two poor years. (The team was)
+ Jones had durability issues. (Poor OL play and an inept coaching staff using you like a battering ram will do that to you.)
+ Jones was regressing since his rookie year. (If all you look at is passing TDs.)

Can we agree those were all factors in play?

If so, why in the hell would any incoming GM/HC pick up the 5th year of a QB with all of the above concerns?



In light of them not picking up his option, are they simply poor talent evaluators? Perhaps on par with posters on a message board.


Schoen hired Daboll. They had a reasonably good draft, managed a cap nightmare, added key personnel (especially during the season), and the team made the playoffs. And won a playoff game.

So, no, the thought of them being "poor talent evaluators" isn't on my radar yet.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I’m sure they’re trying  
The Dude : 1/31/2023 6:00 pm : link
In comment 16021209 giantBCP said:
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In comment 16020890 giantBCP said:


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The smart move would have been to pick up his option, and negotiate a long term contract based off that option last offseason.



Let's get under the hood on this statement. Schoen and Daboll were walking into a situation where:

+ They didn't draft Jones. (Irrelevant)
+ Jones was coming off an impactful injury. (Doubtful. What sort of true neck injury doesn’t require surgery?)
+ Jones was coming off two poor years. (The team was)
+ Jones had durability issues. (Poor OL play and an inept coaching staff using you like a battering ram will do that to you.)
+ Jones was regressing since his rookie year. (If all you look at is passing TDs.)

Can we agree those were all factors in play?

If so, why in the hell would any incoming GM/HC pick up the 5th year of a QB with all of the above concerns?



In light of them not picking up his option, are they simply poor talent evaluators? Perhaps on par with posters on a message board.


You're a joy to banter with.
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