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Mid round QB prospects in upcoming draft

Sean : 2/1/2023 7:37 am
It’s often polarizing, but I believe teams should draft QB’s every year. It’s important to keep that pipeline going and even if you miss on a Kyle Lauletta type, I think it’s still worth it.

Increasingly, we are seeing injuries at the QB position. We’ve seen it in the playoffs with SF, Miami & Baltimore. Mahomes got dinged up and missed a few series. Do we ever want to watch the likes of Mike Glennon and Jake Fromm again?

A couple of examples recently where this has worked:

-Eagles draft Jalen Hurts despite Wentz being signed long term.
-Niners draft Brock Purdy despite having Garoppolo & Lance.
-Pats draft Bailey Zappe despite drafting Mac Jones the prior year.

I can already hear the rebuttals. “It’s a wasted pick. Go draft a LB’er instead.” Fact is, most of the time mid to late round picks don’t pan out. QB is the most important position.

Assuming Jones gets a 3-4 year deal, he relies on his legs. He’s going to get dinged up. The Giants caught a break this year when Jones got banged up in the Bears game that it wasn’t serious. But, he missed 6 games in 2021, 2 games in 2020 and 2 games in 2019. He’s missed 10 games due to injury in his career.

Tyrod Taylor has durability concerns and Davis Webb is likely getting into coaching.

For all of the posters here that are avid college football watchers, which later round QB’s could be a good target for NYG? I’m thinking someone similar to the skill set for Jones.
I like Clayton Tune of Houston  
Anakim : 2/1/2023 7:40 am : link
Decent arm, good mobility, excellent accuracy
I think it was Gil Brandt who said draft a QB every 2 yrs  
Producer : 2/1/2023 7:45 am : link
And he had Roger Staubach.

Belichick drafted JimmyG and Brisset while he had Tom Brady.

I agree with your premise, Sean.
How late do folks think Hooker will go?  
Producer : 2/1/2023 7:45 am : link
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RE: I think it was Gil Brandt who said draft a QB every 2 yrs  
k2tampa : 2/1/2023 7:51 am : link
In comment 16021550 Producer said:
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And he had Roger Staubach.

Belichick drafted JimmyG and Brisset while he had Tom Brady.

I agree with your premise, Sean.


I'm not against taking a mid round year every two years, but to be fair, Brandt and Belichik weren't trying to build their teams and didn't have holes all over their rosters.
Jalen Hurts was a 2nd rounder  
KDavies : 2/1/2023 8:30 am : link
hardly a mid round pick. I wouldn’t object to Hooker with the 2nd 3rd rounder or the 4th if he slips. But past Giants history has scarred me and I can’t help but view a 4th round QB pick as a wasted pick when the likes of Bellinger are available
Intrigued by Tanner McKee and  
Rick in Dallas : 2/1/2023 8:44 am : link
Aidan O’Connell in the mid rounds.
I think a backup QB on a rookie contract is a straight up  
cosmicj : 2/1/2023 8:58 am : link
Need. There’s nothing wasteful about it. We need to pick a QB.
If you are a talent rich team  
section125 : 2/1/2023 9:05 am : link
like the 49ers, sure you can grab a QB in the 7th. At the time they took Purdy, Lance was scheduled to be starter and Jimmy G was scheduled to be released(?). But how many holes did they have in their lineup?

I would not mind Hendon Hooker[sp?] if there in the 3rd. Need a replacement for TT eventually and he'd be a nice hedge for Jones.
RE: How late do folks think Hooker will go?  
Gruber : 2/1/2023 9:18 am : link
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If he's there in the third round, then definitely consider taking him.
That's my not very informed opinion.
RE: I think a backup QB on a rookie contract is a straight up  
KDavies : 2/1/2023 9:20 am : link
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Need. There’s nothing wasteful about it. We need to pick a QB.


Nassib, Lauletta, Webb (though he did develop into possibly an adequate backup QB after being cut, though maybe wants to get into coaching) say otherwise. I agree with you, but the Giants haven't drafted a QB past the first round in decades who was decent.

I do think that it is getting easier for later round QBs to be adequate as the NFL has gotten a lot more favorable to the offense. A cost controlled backup QB would be very nice, and they may need to go in that direction in the next draft or two with the money they are paying out for Jones. Wouldn't mind if they are able to trade Taylor for anything and go lower cost (whether Webb or a pick)
here are the top 20 QBs in the draft  
Del Shofner : 2/1/2023 9:24 am : link
according to one source. Forget about 1-6 as being gone by the mid rounds. Anyone in 7-20 of interest? The Fordham guy, lol, that would be cool.
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I'm all for it  
Fat Wally : 2/1/2023 9:24 am : link
if we resign DJ to a short term deal or just franchise him. But if we sign DJ to a longer deal, it doesn't make sense to waste picks on a position that we don't really need.

That's what drove me nuts with Reese when he picked Ryan Nassib in the 4th, there was still a ton of talent on the board including Kenny Stills and Micah Hyde.

I'm all for it  
Fat Wally : 2/1/2023 9:25 am : link
if we resign DJ to a short term deal or just franchise him. But if we sign DJ to a longer deal, it doesn't make sense to waste picks on a position that we don't really need.

That's what drove me nuts with Reese when he picked Ryan Nassib in the 4th, there was still a ton of talent on the board including Kenny Stills and Micah Hyde.

I hope they draft someone  
Jim in Forest Hills : 2/1/2023 9:31 am : link
and that he fits the profile of the offense.
RE: here are the top 20 QBs in the draft  
Anakim : 2/1/2023 9:34 am : link
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according to one source. Forget about 1-6 as being gone by the mid rounds. Anyone in 7-20 of interest? The Fordham guy, lol, that would be cool. Link - ( New Window )


A lot of those players are going back to school
RE: here are the top 20 QBs in the draft  
KDavies : 2/1/2023 9:36 am : link
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according to one source. Forget about 1-6 as being gone by the mid rounds. Anyone in 7-20 of interest? The Fordham guy, lol, that would be cool. Link - ( New Window )


I don't know how accurate that list is. Just off the top off my head, Nix is staying in college (I believe) and Hartman is transferring to ND. I guess they still have time to declare for the draft.

On that list, I do like Jayden Daniels out of LSU. I wouldn't mind a flier on him. Athletic, so can make plays with his legs. Only threw 3 INTs last year after a 10/10 TD/Int ratio the year before. If I am looking for a backup QB, he looks like he can run a similar offense as Jones. I want a backup QB who can make plays with his legs and doesn't turn the ball over too much.
RE: RE: I think a backup QB on a rookie contract is a straight up  
rsjem1979 : 2/1/2023 9:45 am : link
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Need. There’s nothing wasteful about it. We need to pick a QB.



Nassib, Lauletta, Webb (though he did develop into possibly an adequate backup QB after being cut, though maybe wants to get into coaching) say otherwise. I agree with you, but the Giants haven't drafted a QB past the first round in decades who was decent.


Hopefully they've revised their scouting policy. Apparently, "show up at the Senior Bowl and draft a tall white QB" isn't sound strategy.
I endorse this idea, in general  
D HOS : 2/1/2023 9:46 am : link
Not sure about this specific year though. I think you draft a mid-round QB to be your developmental / backup guy at least every 3 years, but probably not every year, depending on who's there. With quality coaching, you might coach these guys up as a cheap credible backup and occasionally get to flip them for at least a late pick. The Giants don't seem to have success at this for whatever reasons, but with this new group, I think we should be doing this.
Sy reminded us in a PHI game review...  
Racer : 2/1/2023 9:53 am : link
...that Hurts is a dual-threat, 2nd day guy. As far as depth, based on the number of runs/scrambles these guys have to execute in a winning gameplan and the hits associated with those, you almost have to assume these days that your backup is going to need to hold the fort during a season as your starter recovers from injury, and your third guy could conceivably be in there on a key drive.

That said, I think it's ludicrous to have 2nd/3rd stringers who can't execute your offense in the same way as your starter. I also think it's poor strategic thinking to plug-in with veteran dollars because you haven't developed any young guys.

Even if you take a younger throw-away as your 3rd stringer based on your college evaluation, and declare that the previous team(s) didn't develop them as you would have, we're talking duel-threat here; the floor is lower than it is with a mid-line thrower or a "mobile" pocket passer.
I think it should be on the table  
AcesUp : 2/1/2023 9:59 am : link
Regardless of what we do with Jones. We're going to run him and it would be a mistake to take away his legs. This isn't an Eli situation where you know he's a pure pocket passer, you know he's your guy for another decade and he never misses a game. You need a good backup and you need a guy that could replicate his DJ's skillset as well. Tyrod is on the books for next year but unless you want to be spending an additional 6-10m/yr on a backup QB, it would be cost-effective to get that guy on a rookie contract.

Jones is unlikely to get a Godfather offer from the Giants as well, even if he's making 35ish AAV it should have an out after a couple years. A developmental prospect not only gives you depth for Jones but provides a hedge down the road. It makes a lot of sense for the right guy after our first few picks.
Every 2 years starting with the 4th round. If there is a second 3rd  
Ivan15 : 2/1/2023 10:21 am : link
Round pick or comp pick, that would be in play also.
Could not agree more  
BSIMatt : 2/1/2023 11:03 am : link
The risk/reward ratio makes it a no brainer to me. It also keeps you dialed in on your process of evaluating QBs(and learn/grow and continue to refine that process as well).
Every year is a waste of a pick. Its one position. Give the pick  
Dinger : 2/1/2023 11:08 am : link
2 or 3 years to show they are either a find, a solid backup or a waste, then dont be afraid to cut bate. If there is a QB they like thats available don't be afraid to pick him even if you picked one the year before. But don't have 5 QBs 'in the room' as you will have no one in the 'OL room' to protect them;) I think they should pick someone this year especially if they can cut TT and use Webb as the Back up without too big a cap hit.
RE: How late do folks think Hooker will go?  
shocktheworld : 2/1/2023 11:36 am : link
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Ding ding ding…. You are reading my mind. I think Hooker was gonna slip regardless, but with his ACL, I think we could have a real shot to grab him in round 4, and I would absolutely cheer that pick on! Hooker needs a couple years to be a real NFL QB, but the kid is a winner and played his ass off last year. He’s a perfect backup for Jones, and someone we could develop and “trade” for a 2 or 3rd in the future, worst case.

I’ll be closely watching him this draft season…
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I think Hooker's ACL will only cost him a round  
widmerseyebrow : 2/1/2023 11:40 am : link
There are a lot of teams in need of a quarterback, and if any of them thought he was a first round prospect pre-injury I think someone will pull the trigger in the second.
Cam Ward  
GoDeep13 : 2/1/2023 11:53 am : link
Is a guy that is considered as a potential gem. I love Michael Penix Jr. myself, guy has a legit NFL arm and can spin it with the best of them in this draft. Stetson Bennett could be interesting has that Taylor Hienike thug where he just doesn’t die, real competitor. Dorian Thomson-Robinson from UCLA is exciting to watch. Duel-Threat guy that can really spin it. Came out of a system making pro reads. Just gets too risky at times with the ball
RE: Cam Ward  
GoDeep13 : 2/1/2023 11:54 am : link
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Is a guy that is considered as a potential gem. I love Michael Penix Jr. myself, guy has a legit NFL arm and can spin it with the best of them in this draft. Stetson Bennett could be interesting has that Taylor Hienike thug where he just doesn’t die, real competitor. Dorian Thomson-Robinson from UCLA is exciting to watch. Duel-Threat guy that can really spin it. Came out of a system making pro reads. Just gets too risky at times with the ball

Taylor Heinicke thing*
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