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Tom Brady retires....again

Anakim : 2/1/2023 8:14 am
For real this time....or so he says
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Sad if he broke up his family  
gersh : 2/1/2023 8:17 am : link
for that last season. Was not a good way to go out. (Though I’m sure there’s a lot more to the story)
I think I heard Brady had to retire to save Tampa a killer dead cap hi  
Producer : 2/1/2023 8:18 am : link
This may just be a circumvention of the cap
Yeah, okay Tom  
jeff57 : 2/1/2023 8:18 am : link
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I imagine he's accepting the reality that he physically can't do  
Greg from LI : 2/1/2023 8:19 am : link
what he used to do.

Should have just retired after the Tampa Super Bowl, riding off into the sunset as a champion the way Strahan did.
If his wife left because he  
section125 : 2/1/2023 8:20 am : link
played one more year, that is pathetic on her part. I do not know if he promised to retire and went back on his word, but it is still pathetic.

He needs to stay retired. He was pretty pathetic last season
He is going to be god awful in the booth  
figgy2989 : 2/1/2023 8:22 am : link
Fox is going to regret that big time. I assume he will be taking Olsen's spot?
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jeff57 : 2/1/2023 8:23 am : link
In comment 16021583 figgy2989 said:
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Fox is going to regret that big time. I assume he will be taking Olsen's spot?


Probably. Which is a shame because Olsen's not bad.
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figgy2989 : 2/1/2023 8:24 am : link
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Fox is going to regret that big time. I assume he will be taking Olsen's spot?



Probably. Which is a shame because Olsen's not bad.


I do think Olsen could be good and at least he got to do one Super Bowl.
RE: I think I heard Brady had to retire to save Tampa a killer dead cap hi  
giantBCP : 2/1/2023 8:25 am : link
In comment 16021575 Producer said:
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This may just be a circumvention of the cap


It doesn’t appear that a cut or retirement will hit the cap any differently, unless Tampa were to seek a return of any signing bonus money through arbitration.
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Probably helps Jones market  
Sean : 2/1/2023 8:26 am : link
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80 for Brady world tour, lol  
UConn4523 : 2/1/2023 8:29 am : link
Great career but good riddance.
RE: RE: I think I heard Brady had to retire to save Tampa a killer dead cap hi  
section125 : 2/1/2023 8:29 am : link
In comment 16021590 giantBCP said:
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This may just be a circumvention of the cap



It doesn’t appear that a cut or retirement will hit the cap any differently, unless Tampa were to seek a return of any signing bonus money through arbitration. Link - ( New Window )


Holy crap are they in trouble. $55 mill over the cap? There does not appear to be any way to recoup the money to help them out of that hole unless his contract has an out clause(?).
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GiantGrit : 2/1/2023 8:29 am : link
In comment 16021581 section125 said:
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played one more year, that is pathetic on her part. I do not know if he promised to retire and went back on his word, but it is still pathetic.

He needs to stay retired. He was pretty pathetic last season


Coming from divorced parents I find it comical people who never stepped foot in that house entirely point blame on Brady. Like most things in life the answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Ultimately sucks most for the kids. Irreparable Damage.
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mfsd : 2/1/2023 8:32 am : link
In comment 16021581 section125 said:
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played one more year, that is pathetic on her part. I do not know if he promised to retire and went back on his word, but it is still pathetic.

He needs to stay retired. He was pretty pathetic last season


On the surface that’s true, but I generally believe whatever we think we know about someone’s marriage, we only know a small fraction of what’s gone on. I’ve always suspected there’s more to that story, which is their business

As for Brady the player. I’m reminded of what Eli went through - more often than not, it’s the player himself who’s last to realize it’s time to hang them up. I don’t criticize them for it, guys with that level of competitiveness are a different breed
Not buying it  
Tuckrule : 2/1/2023 8:33 am : link
He’ll be a 9er
He needs to stay retired this time  
Rick in Dallas : 2/1/2023 8:38 am : link
His play was really diminished this year.
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giantBCP : 2/1/2023 8:39 am : link
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This may just be a circumvention of the cap



It doesn’t appear that a cut or retirement will hit the cap any differently, unless Tampa were to seek a return of any signing bonus money through arbitration. Link - ( New Window )



Holy crap are they in trouble. $55 mill over the cap? There does not appear to be any way to recoup the money to help them out of that hole unless his contract has an out clause(?).


It doesn’t even look like they have any reasonable cuts that can free up a lot of money. Cutting Donovan Smith gets them $10m, and a few other can get them a few million, but nowhere close to $55m.
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Looks like they can save $40m  
giantBCP : 2/1/2023 8:43 am : link
if Brady’s retirement and Donovan Smith’s release are post June 1st.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/1/2023 8:46 am : link
So HOF or not?
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section125 : 2/1/2023 8:55 am : link
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played one more year, that is pathetic on her part. I do not know if he promised to retire and went back on his word, but it is still pathetic.

He needs to stay retired. He was pretty pathetic last season



Coming from divorced parents I find it comical people who never stepped foot in that house entirely point blame on Brady. Like most things in life the answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Ultimately sucks most for the kids. Irreparable Damage.


You are right in that WTF knows. I cannot blame women that leave because of abuse/infidelity, etc. I would find it sad if Gisele walked because he played another season. We do not know if he promised to retire a couple years in a row. She certainly did not end her career. Tom didn't seem to be an absentee dad.
You are right, it does not help he kids.
RE: Looks like they can save $40m  
Producer : 2/1/2023 8:56 am : link
In comment 16021618 giantBCP said:
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if Brady’s retirement and Donovan Smith’s release are post June 1st.


right.. i misremembered.

According to Joe Corry's cap podcast, if Brady pushed the retirement after the league year, they could have signed him for a small contract and split the dead money over 2 years.

But now it seems with Brady's announcement now, the Bucs will have a $35M cap hit this season, the 2nd highest all time, effectively screwing Tampa for 2023. And what this announcement may signal is that Brady is going to another team, because if he was truly retiring he could have just waited, but if he is playing for someone else, there was no way around the cap hit for Tampa.

I linked to the episode below from last week.

The whole ep is about Brady but the most relevant to the final implications starts around 9:40.


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therefore based on what I wrote above I would bet  
Producer : 2/1/2023 8:57 am : link
Brady is going to San Francisco.
RE: ...  
eli4life : 2/1/2023 9:02 am : link
In comment 16021622 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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So HOF or not?


Perhaps when he comes up as a senior candidate

/s
Producer  
fkap : 2/1/2023 9:09 am : link
it doesn't hit the books until it's official. Announcing now doesn't mean much.
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Producer : 2/1/2023 9:10 am : link
In comment 16021649 fkap said:
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it doesn't hit the books until it's official. Announcing now doesn't mean much.


ah.. so maybe that's the hedge
Good luck GOAT QB.  
Marty in Albany : 2/1/2023 9:18 am : link
I hope you can adjust.
Yeah, he's finished.  
Kmed6000 : 2/1/2023 9:20 am : link
He looked cooked most of last year. I wouldn't touch Brady if I'm an NFL team.
If true….  
jc in c-ville : 2/1/2023 9:25 am : link
No way Rodgers retires this year. Going into the HOF , under TB’s shadow is not going to fly with AR.
I think he goes to Frisco  
Optimus-NY : 2/1/2023 9:28 am : link
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If I'm San Fran,  
Kmed6000 : 2/1/2023 9:31 am : link
I'm not touching Brady. Brady is finished guys, it's time to move on.
He’s done, he’s not going to SF  
Chris684 : 2/1/2023 9:41 am : link
The worst thing that could happen to a football player happened to Brady last season. He looked like a guy who no longer wanted to get hit.
RE: If I'm San Fran,  
FStubbs : 2/1/2023 9:52 am : link
In comment 16021691 Kmed6000 said:
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I'm not touching Brady. Brady is finished guys, it's time to move on.


Yeah at this point they're better off seeing what they have in Purdy whenever he comes back.
don't let the door hit you in the ass  
Ron Johnson : 2/1/2023 9:57 am : link
RE: If true….  
OBJ_AllDay : 2/1/2023 10:01 am : link
In comment 16021679 jc in c-ville said:
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No way Rodgers retires this year. Going into the HOF , under TB’s shadow is not going to fly with AR.


He was never retiring he's just an attention whore who can't face the music as he's repeatedly bounced from the playoffs.
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eric2425ny : 2/1/2023 10:02 am : link
In comment 16021583 figgy2989 said:
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Fox is going to regret that big time. I assume he will be taking Olsen's spot?


Hopefully he keeps his mouth shut and let’s the game play out unlike Romo. That clown never shuts the fuck up.
I wonder if he’ll get back with Gisele  
eric2425ny : 2/1/2023 10:04 am : link
spend another offseason and summer with the family and then unretire again lol.
It’s time.  
Les in TO : 2/1/2023 10:06 am : link
Just like the basketball GOAT Michael Jordan, it was hard for him to walk away on top as the thirst for competing and championships was strong. I respect the way he posted a simple video, no big presser or 500 word essay. I doubt he changes his mind again, he’s doing this on his terms not to please Giselle.
Skippy Brainless is sad  
Spider43 : 2/1/2023 10:09 am : link
Again.
RE: RE: If true….  
Kmed6000 : 2/1/2023 10:10 am : link
In comment 16021748 OBJ_AllDay said:
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No way Rodgers retires this year. Going into the HOF , under TB’s shadow is not going to fly with AR.



He was never retiring he's just an attention whore who can't face the music as he's repeatedly bounced from the playoffs.


It has to be a tough decision for a guy like Rodgers and Brady. That's why the greats seem to go back and forth so much. When you factor in their love of the game, the money, their desire to compete and father time, it has to be a very tough decision. Then the media asks you about it all the time. So it seems like they are attention whores, but they are asked 40 times per day and they probably truly don't know what they want to do and want to make sure their teams are still pushing to improve.
I have Brady fatigue...  
bw in dc : 2/1/2023 10:19 am : link
Sayonara, TB12. No need to continue doing the QB mercenary thing...

Look forward to your Canton speech.

BTW, if I need a QB, I'm still taking Montana or Elway. ;)

RE: I wonder if he’ll get back with Gisele  
MeanBunny : 2/1/2023 10:20 am : link
In comment 16021756 eric2425ny said:
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spend another offseason and summer with the family and then unretire again lol.

He has a lot of pictures of Gisele and his family on Instagram today. Was that shitty year in Tampa worth it. Did he lose that much Bitcoin?
How many times did Favre retire?  
David B. : 2/1/2023 10:33 am : link
I'll believe it when I see it  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/1/2023 10:39 am : link
he's full Jordan at this point. He can do whatever he wants.

I still expect him elsewhere. I know Miami says they're still on Tua but there's too much smoke there.
I don't know why everyone assumes he's headed to San Fran  
mikeinbloomfield : 2/1/2023 10:47 am : link
they have at least two better options: Trey Lance and Jimmy G. If they think a guy with a torn ligament in his throwing arm will be fine, they have three.

He looked cooked in the playoffs and that Tampa Bay offense has some weapons and a decent O coordinator. Too bad he didn't go out on top, but that's a minor negative.



It's time  
Festina Lente : 2/1/2023 10:50 am : link
He's done the superhuman but he looked toast at the end
RE: I have Brady fatigue...  
Les in TO : 2/1/2023 10:59 am : link
In comment 16021781 bw in dc said:
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Sayonara, TB12. No need to continue doing the QB mercenary thing...

Look forward to your Canton speech.

BTW, if I need a QB, I'm still taking Montana or Elway. ;)
Montana and Elway are among the best. But Brady won more super bowls and with two different teams and played at a high level in his mid 40s
RE: I don't know why everyone assumes he's headed to San Fran  
UConn4523 : 2/1/2023 11:04 am : link
In comment 16021818 mikeinbloomfield said:
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they have at least two better options: Trey Lance and Jimmy G. If they think a guy with a torn ligament in his throwing arm will be fine, they have three.

He looked cooked in the playoffs and that Tampa Bay offense has some weapons and a decent O coordinator. Too bad he didn't go out on top, but that's a minor negative.




JG is a free agent and Lance is still an unknown. That said I would agree that him going there isn’t some slam dunk, I’m not sure Shanahan wants to deal with the decline of a 46 year old player.
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bw in dc : 2/1/2023 11:15 am : link
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Sayonara, TB12. No need to continue doing the QB mercenary thing...

Look forward to your Canton speech.

BTW, if I need a QB, I'm still taking Montana or Elway. ;)


Montana and Elway are among the best. But Brady won more super bowls and with two different teams and played at a high level in his mid 40s


No dispute.

It's a style thing for me. Brady is, IMV, the greatest pocket passer that ever lived. He was one dimensional, but a PhD in that dimension.

Montana and Elway were multi-dimensional and could beat you three ways - in the pocket, out of the pocket and running.

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Optimus-NY : 2/1/2023 11:54 am : link
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RE: I don't know why everyone assumes he's headed to San Fran  
Optimus-NY : 2/1/2023 11:57 am : link
In comment 16021818 mikeinbloomfield said:
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they have at least two better options: Trey Lance and Jimmy G. If they think a guy with a torn ligament in his throwing arm will be fine, they have three.

He looked cooked in the playoffs and that Tampa Bay offense has some weapons and a decent O coordinator. Too bad he didn't go out on top, but that's a minor negative.




FYI:

1 - Jimmy G is a free agent (and he sucks).
2 - Trey Lance sucks right now too and is young and dumb.
3 - Purdy is a JAG and is hurt.

Brady would be the PERFECT one year stop gap.
At least  
Joe Beckwith : 2/1/2023 12:04 pm : link
the Nort East , especially New England, won’t get Tampa Bay broadcasts instead of the Giants.
But the NFL will burn their territorial protection in to N.E. by showing Philthy if they win the SB.
Cmon KC!
I’ll even root for “Bad KT”…. for 3+ hours on 2/12/23….yuck.
Im guessing you watched zero  
Kmed6000 : 2/1/2023 12:04 pm : link
tampa bay games last year. Brady isn't perfect anywhere. He can't do the things physically that he's always done. Brady is finished. Say it with me.....Brady is finished.
Just heard an interesting fact...  
figgy2989 : 2/1/2023 12:28 pm : link
Although he never ended up playing pro-baseball, Tom Brady was the last active professional athlete to be drafted by the Expos.
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mikeinbloomfield : 2/1/2023 1:08 pm : link
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they have at least two better options: Trey Lance and Jimmy G. If they think a guy with a torn ligament in his throwing arm will be fine, they have three.

He looked cooked in the playoffs and that Tampa Bay offense has some weapons and a decent O coordinator. Too bad he didn't go out on top, but that's a minor negative.






FYI:

1 - Jimmy G is a free agent (and he sucks).
2 - Trey Lance sucks right now too and is young and dumb.
3 - Purdy is a JAG and is hurt.

Brady would be the PERFECT one year stop gap.


I disagree that Jimmy G sucks. I think he's better than average. How do we know Trey Lance sucks? He either has bad luck or injury prone, but I don't think we've seen enough of him to know. I thought Purdy was going to be exposed at some point and it never happened. Who knows how good he is?

But Brady seemed physically incapable in the playoff game, to me, which is not something you would say about any of the other guys. Add to that the lack of escapeability that seems necessary in today's NFL, and I still think the 9ers have better options.
RE: Just heard an interesting fact...  
bw in dc : 2/1/2023 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16021974 figgy2989 said:
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Although he never ended up playing pro-baseball, Tom Brady was the last active professional athlete to be drafted by the Expos.


Apparently, he was a very good catcher. Left bat, too.
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BillKo : 2/1/2023 1:50 pm : link
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they have at least two better options: Trey Lance and Jimmy G. If they think a guy with a torn ligament in his throwing arm will be fine, they have three.

He looked cooked in the playoffs and that Tampa Bay offense has some weapons and a decent O coordinator. Too bad he didn't go out on top, but that's a minor negative.






FYI:

1 - Jimmy G is a free agent (and he sucks).
2 - Trey Lance sucks right now too and is young and dumb.
3 - Purdy is a JAG and is hurt.

Brady would be the PERFECT one year stop gap.


I agree that he would be the perfect one year stop gap where Lance and Purdy could learn under him for the the future, and even replace him if things just weren't going well.

Brady was in a bad spot this year and also on a team that could not run the ball. That wouldn't be the case in San Fran. And he'd be better protected. He can still make the throws in the right offense.

Of course it all depends on if Brady still wants it - he just retired so this is probably a moot conversation.

The issue right now is San Fran is built to win and probably the best team in the NFC (maybe football) if they could get their QB situation right.

Aaron Rodgers is probably the VERY best fit and could be had for draft choices I'm sure.

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BillKo : 2/1/2023 1:51 pm : link
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tampa bay games last year. Brady isn't perfect anywhere. He can't do the things physically that he's always done. Brady is finished. Say it with me.....Brady is finished.


Didn't he lead the league in attempts and yardage?

He's not the same player he was, if that's finished then I'll agree.

He'd have to be in the perfect spot. San Fran is the perfect spot.

Here they come!  
JoeMoney19 : 2/1/2023 1:55 pm : link
I really don't get the he's toast comments  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/1/2023 1:57 pm : link
yea they got wrecked by a better team in the playoffs, but Brady's arm still looks more than capable. Matt Ryan's arm looked more done last year. Philip Rivers and Drew Brees had water pistols for arms at the end. Peyton looked practically handicapped physically at the end. Brady is still throwing ropes. I mentioned it on a Rodgers thread recently but I actually see more obvious physical decline in Rodgers than I do Brady.

He's 46 so he could fall off a cliff in a nanosecond. You can't rely on his health. But from what I actually saw last year, he definitely still has the arm for it.
RE: He’s done, he’s not going to SF  
markky : 2/1/2023 1:59 pm : link
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The worst thing that could happen to a football player happened to Brady last season. He looked like a guy who no longer wanted to get hit.


definitely in that last game. he was ducking away from contact, leading to some terrible throws.
RE: I really don't get the he's toast comments  
BillKo : 2/1/2023 2:00 pm : link
In comment 16022084 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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yea they got wrecked by a better team in the playoffs, but Brady's arm still looks more than capable. Matt Ryan's arm looked more done last year. Philip Rivers and Drew Brees had water pistols for arms at the end. Peyton looked practically handicapped physically at the end. Brady is still throwing ropes. I mentioned it on a Rodgers thread recently but I actually see more obvious physical decline in Rodgers than I do Brady.

He's 46 so he could fall off a cliff in a nanosecond. You can't rely on his health. But from what I actually saw last year, he definitely still has the arm for it.


With the San Fran defense and the WR/TE/RB combinations they have on offense, I'm sure Brady would distribute the football just fine.

Hell, Purdy was doing ok too. That team is ultra talented.

A lot of what you saw this year was mental fatigue on Brady IMO.

Look, if that personal life stuff remains and he doesn't want the game anymore, then he's be a horrible choice for San Fran.

But........
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BillKo : 2/1/2023 2:01 pm : link
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The worst thing that could happen to a football player happened to Brady last season. He looked like a guy who no longer wanted to get hit.



definitely in that last game. he was ducking away from contact, leading to some terrible throws.


That's really nothing new with Brady lol
And my take is Brady only returned to Tampa...  
BillKo : 2/1/2023 2:05 pm : link
..because he had to.

He wanted to play somewhere else.

Given that, the divorce, the constant publicity just wore him down. You could see it in his face.
His yards per attempt  
Kmed6000 : 2/1/2023 4:20 pm : link
was the 3rd worst in the NFL. He had 2 top end receivers in Evans and Godwin. He had a few good complimentary receivers in Julio Jones and Gage. He does not have the arm strength anymore and he wore down as the season went on. As to be expected when you are 45 years old. His arm is only going to get worse. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole, no matter what team it is. He's toast.

Regardless, I believe him when he says he's had enough. He looked like he had enough around week 10.
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MeanBunny : 2/1/2023 5:01 pm : link
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FYI:

1 - Jimmy G is a free agent (and he sucks).


Brady would be the PERFECT one year stop gap.


Why do people say Jimmy G sucks? He gets hurt, but thats not sucking. There are QBs that I am sure we all wishe would get hurt so we didn't have to see their crap anymore.
Jimmy Garoppolo has a 53-21 record in his career. The 49ers were a goner until he came back.






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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/1/2023 6:22 pm : link
I believe this is indeed the end for TB12. I wish he had stayed retire the first time. He looked completely washed @ times this season &-for him personally-I think him returning cost him his marriage. All for an 8-9 season ending with a whipping @ home by Dallas...sad.

I also think he's going to suck broadcasting.
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UConn4523 : 2/1/2023 6:26 pm : link
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FYI:

1 - Jimmy G is a free agent (and he sucks).


Brady would be the PERFECT one year stop gap.



Why do people say Jimmy G sucks? He gets hurt, but thats not sucking. There are QBs that I am sure we all wishe would get hurt so we didn't have to see their crap anymore.
Jimmy Garoppolo has a 53-21 record in his career. The 49ers were a goner until he came back.







Technically they weren’t considering there was no drop off with Purdy. Pretty sure their PPG rose with Purdy as well.
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Carson53 : 2/1/2023 8:09 pm : link
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FAV-RA...He became a bit of a caricature at the end.
Hope Brady is done now, we have had enough too.
I’ll never understand all the hate for Brady.  
bradshaw44 : 2/1/2023 8:19 pm : link
Guy is responsible for two of the greatest nights of my life!
RE: I’ll never understand all the hate for Brady.  
Route 9 : 2/2/2023 6:56 am : link
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Guy is responsible for two of the greatest nights of my life!


Same. Very weird. I don't get what he did to piss everyone off so much lol
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