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NFT: Painting after Wallpaper Removal

moze1021 : 2/1/2023 11:37 am
Here's situation:

-Removed wallpaper from small half bath. It came off easy, peeled off like a sticker in big chunks without having to wet or scrape, etc etc
-Did have some parts it damaged drywall outer layer. I used a sealant (Roman PRO-999 Rx-35) on the brown paper spots
-I've finished all blemish/hole repairs with a coupe rounds of mud and sanding and am not happy with the smoothness of the walls overall

Time for primer!

Big question:

I have read that I need to use Oil-Based primer to avoid reactivating any residual glue that may be absorbed into drywall or just hard to see.

Is that true?

If it is, can I still use standard water based acrylic top coats over oil-based primer?

Anyone have any experience/advice?
skim coat  
mikeypgiants giants : 2/1/2023 12:01 pm : link
your best bet , is to do a skim coat over all of wall with taping mud then reg paint with primer in it ( small area is ideal )
I’ve done this in two bathrooms  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/1/2023 12:03 pm : link
First: yes you can apply latex paint over oil based primer.

But there’s another way to go, which is what I did. Zinsser makes a product called Gardz which is designed exactly for this. It seals in adhesives including wallpaper adhesive and it hardens any water damaged drywall paper. It’s water based, so you can use latex brushes and rollers and cleanup with soap and water.

My experience: The product is clear and rather thin, so it tends to drip if you put too much on the roller. So it’s a bit slower going than a regular primer. But the results were fantastic. Had no bleed thru of adhesive or anything else.

You probably won’t find it at Home Depot or Lowe’s. I got it at a Benjamin Moore dealer. Good luck!


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I ran into this when i was painting my daughters room.  
Fat Wally : 2/1/2023 12:05 pm : link
Most of the trim had a high gloss finish and even after sanding, i couldn't get paint to adhere. I ended purchasing Zinsser Cover stain. After a coating of that stuff, anything will adhere to the wall. Not sure about wall paper glue, but Zinsser has a few products in this line.

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RE: I’ve done this in two bathrooms  
beechbouy : 2/1/2023 12:17 pm : link
In comment 16021941 Jim in Fairfax said:
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First: yes you can apply latex paint over oil based primer.

But there’s another way to go, which is what I did. Zinsser makes a product called Gardz which is designed exactly for this. It seals in adhesives including wallpaper adhesive and it hardens any water damaged drywall paper. It’s water based, so you can use latex brushes and rollers and cleanup with soap and water.

My experience: The product is clear and rather thin, so it tends to drip if you put too much on the roller. So it’s a bit slower going than a regular primer. But the results were fantastic. Had no bleed thru of adhesive or anything else.

You probably won’t find it at Home Depot or Lowe’s. I got it at a Benjamin Moore dealer. Good luck!
Gardz - ( New Window )


+1. Gardz is good stuff. Check your local ACE Hardware. If they don't have it in stock they can usually get it for you in a few days.
Hope you have better  
Bubba : 2/1/2023 12:56 pm : link
luck then we did. About 20 years ago (so I don't recall the products used). Did the same thing. Stripped off the wall paper, sanded used a sealant then painted. Within a few weeks the paint started to discolor from the wallpaper adhesive. We repeated the above process with the same results. Eventually we decided to replace the sheetrock. Which isn't a bad idea anyway as you can see if there is any water or insect damage behind the walls. Obviously that worked fine but was far more work than expected.
Thanks all!  
moze1021 : 2/1/2023 1:00 pm : link
I did have a typo..

I meant to type I am NOW happy with the overall smoothness of the walls after all the prep work I've done.

Worried that I should have used Gardz before all the mud work I did! But I'll give it a shot at putting a coat over everything



RE: Thanks all!  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/1/2023 1:23 pm : link
In comment 16022008 moze1021 said:
Quote:
I did have a typo..

I meant to type I am NOW happy with the overall smoothness of the walls after all the prep work I've done.

Worried that I should have used Gardz before all the mud work I did! But I'll give it a shot at putting a coat over everything




Yeah, ideally you would have used Gardz first. I might not matter, but I would recommend spot priming the mud work you’ve done with a regular primer like Zinseer 123 first. Then Gardz the whole wall.
Skim coat is correct and it's pretty easy to do.  
x meadowlander : 2/1/2023 5:29 pm : link
Sanding makes a massive mess but we'll worth it.
The easiest and cheapest thing  
section125 : 2/1/2023 8:02 pm : link
to do is wash the wall with TSP - trisodium phosphate. I have done several walls after removing wallpaper. You need to change the water frequently and use a big sponge like you would use for grout. And wash the shit out of it. Sounds harder than it is.
A little box of TSP is cheap. Follow the directions. Warm water and the proper amount of TSP mixed in will remove the residual glue. And I never put paper up without mixing my own glue and applying to the paper - learn that from my old man - even over the pre-glued paper. So I had a lot of glue to remove.
I guarantee you will not be disappointed. Repair any chips in the drywall paper with spackle and then paint the repaired sections with a quality primer as others have noted.
RE: The easiest and cheapest thing  
moze1021 : 2/1/2023 9:44 pm : link
In comment 16022367 section125 said:
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to do is wash the wall with TSP - trisodium phosphate. I have done several walls after removing wallpaper. You need to change the water frequently and use a big sponge like you would use for grout. And wash the shit out of it. Sounds harder than it is.
A little box of TSP is cheap. Follow the directions. Warm water and the proper amount of TSP mixed in will remove the residual glue. And I never put paper up without mixing my own glue and applying to the paper - learn that from my old man - even over the pre-glued paper. So I had a lot of glue to remove.
I guarantee you will not be disappointed. Repair any chips in the drywall paper with spackle and then paint the repaired sections with a quality primer as others have noted.


I'm pretty sure if I tried to wash now it would ruin the days of work I have put into repairing all the holes, blemishes, and drywall tears...

But thanks for the advice!! No other wallpaper in this house so it's a 1 time thing for me! Haha
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