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Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/1/2023 9:13 pm
Next Cardinals Head Coach


Brian Flores
2/3
(-150)

Vance Joseph
11/4
(+275)

Mike Kafka
5/1

Jonathan Gannon
10/1

Shane Steichen
16/1

Byron Leftwich
20/1

Eric Bieniemy
25/1

Shane Bowen
25/1


Next Colts Full Time Head Coach

Jeff Saturday
4/7
(-175)

Raheem Morris
15/4
(+375)

Shane Steichen
7/1

Wink Martindale
7/1

Eric Bieniemy
16/1

Ejiro Evero
20/1

Leslie Frazier
20/1

Mike Kafka
20/1
Flores makes sense for Arizona  
Sean : 2/1/2023 9:17 pm : link
They need a no nonsense leader who won’t put up with bullshit or coddle Murray.

The Colts worry me because I could see Irsay really loving Wink.
RE: Flores makes sense for Arizona  
Mike from SI : 2/1/2023 9:23 pm : link
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They need a no nonsense leader who won’t put up with bullshit or coddle Murray.

The Colts worry me because I could see Irsay really loving Wink.


Based on Irsay's public persona, he sure seems like he would love Wink. And as for Wink, on the one hand, this could be his last shot, but on the other hand, do you want to blow your one shot on Indy or wait for next year or the year after?
Have to believe the remaining teams are waiting on the Super Bowl team  
rasbutant : 2/1/2023 10:25 pm : link
Before making their decision. I would raise the odds on those coaches.
RE: Flores makes sense for Arizona  
eric2425ny : 2/1/2023 11:08 pm : link
In comment 16022410 Sean said:
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They need a no nonsense leader who won’t put up with bullshit or coddle Murray.

The Colts worry me because I could see Irsay really loving Wink.


Until he takes a Harry Dunn level shit in Wink’s home bathroom for an hour.
Seems like Cards and Colts are waiting to select coaches  
ZogZerg : 2/2/2023 6:25 am : link
from the Super Bowl teams.

I loved Flores as a coach  
Tuckrule : 2/2/2023 6:41 am : link
But after what happened in Miami does the nfl really want him back in the fraternity? I’m not so sure.
RE: I loved Flores as a coach  
Dr. D : 2/2/2023 9:09 am : link
In comment 16022487 Tuckrule said:
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But after what happened in Miami does the nfl really want him back in the fraternity? I’m not so sure.

Why would any team even interview him?

If you do and you decide to go with someone else, is he going to sue?

And why would any owner want someone who threw his last owner under the bus?
RE: RE: I loved Flores as a coach  
Giantsfan79 : 2/2/2023 9:26 am : link
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But after what happened in Miami does the nfl really want him back in the fraternity? I’m not so sure.


Why would any team even interview him?

If you do and you decide to go with someone else, is he going to sue?

And why would any owner want someone who threw his last owner under the bus?


Because his lawsuit is ongoing and if teams refused the interview him, he'd could use that against him
Can someone please explain how to read odds?  
NYDCBlue : 2/2/2023 10:10 am : link
Looks like Greek to me. Or twitter posts copied into a thread.
RE: RE: RE: I loved Flores as a coach  
Dr. D : 2/2/2023 10:32 am : link
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But after what happened in Miami does the nfl really want him back in the fraternity? I’m not so sure.


Why would any team even interview him?

If you do and you decide to go with someone else, is he going to sue?

And why would any owner want someone who threw his last owner under the bus?



Because his lawsuit is ongoing and if teams refused the interview him, he'd could use that against him

So you can sue an employer for not interviewing you? WTF.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I loved Flores as a coach  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/2/2023 10:57 am : link
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But after what happened in Miami does the nfl really want him back in the fraternity? I’m not so sure.


Why would any team even interview him?

If you do and you decide to go with someone else, is he going to sue?

And why would any owner want someone who threw his last owner under the bus?



Because his lawsuit is ongoing and if teams refused the interview him, he'd could use that against him


So you can sue an employer for not interviewing you? WTF.

No, it wouldn't be cause for a lawsuit on its own. But if you already had a pending lawsuit where the claim is in part that you are being intentionally excluded from opportunities because of a whistleblowing incident, you might be looking for evidence that the alleged exclusion is continuing.

Is that too nuanced for you?
I don’t think Wink gets a HC job this year.  
Spider56 : 2/2/2023 11:04 am : link
If a team wants to go defense, there is Steve Wilks.., especially after what he did in Carolina this year. Hopefully Wilks doesn’t go to the Redskins and be the heir apparent when RR either steps down or gets fired. Wilks is a VG coach.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I loved Flores as a coach  
Dr. D : 2/2/2023 11:24 am : link
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But after what happened in Miami does the nfl really want him back in the fraternity? I’m not so sure.


Why would any team even interview him?

If you do and you decide to go with someone else, is he going to sue?

And why would any owner want someone who threw his last owner under the bus?



Because his lawsuit is ongoing and if teams refused the interview him, he'd could use that against him


So you can sue an employer for not interviewing you? WTF.


No, it wouldn't be cause for a lawsuit on its own. But if you already had a pending lawsuit where the claim is in part that you are being intentionally excluded from opportunities because of a whistleblowing incident, you might be looking for evidence that the alleged exclusion is continuing.

Is that too nuanced for you?

Thanks for splaining. I'm too stoopid to understand.

Call me crazy or stupid, but it seems it would be difficult to prove what the motive is of an employer who simply chooses to not interview someone. Thousands of candidates of all skin colors are not interviewed for every HC job. Flores can sue anyone he wants, doesn't mean he's going to win the case.

And if you're going to be potentially sued if you interview him and decide not to hire him, what's the difference? You're potentially going to be sued either way unless you interview and hire him (and that's only until you eventually fire him, bc unless you're Belichick, you will be fired or "retired" someday).

I'm not a lawyer, but Flores might have a better case if you actually interview him (but don't hire him), because he can say you only did so bc of the Rooney rule and you never had any intention of actually hiring him.

If you just don't interview him (assuming they're interviewing other minorities), a team can say something to the effect of "we didn't interview a lot of people of all racial backgrounds".

if interviewing Flores is so necessary and such a no brainer  
Dr. D : 2/2/2023 11:33 am : link
why aren't all the teams with HC vacancies doing so?

Did the owners secretly draw straws (like, somebody's GOT to interview him) and the Cardinals lost?
I feel like Steichen could be a good fit in Arizona  
regulator : 2/2/2023 11:49 am : link
at least one of those jobs will go to a coordinator in the Super Bowl.
RE: I don’t think Wink gets a HC job this year.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 2/2/2023 12:17 pm : link
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If a team wants to go defense, there is Steve Wilks.., especially after what he did in Carolina this year. Hopefully Wilks doesn’t go to the Redskins and be the heir apparent when RR either steps down or gets fired. Wilks is a VG coach.


If we lose Wink, then maybe Wilks?
RE: RE: I don’t think Wink gets a HC job this year.  
Mike in NY : 2/2/2023 12:19 pm : link
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If a team wants to go defense, there is Steve Wilks.., especially after what he did in Carolina this year. Hopefully Wilks doesn’t go to the Redskins and be the heir apparent when RR either steps down or gets fired. Wilks is a VG coach.



If we lose Wink, then maybe Wilks?


If we lose Wink and can't keep Wilkins I would also look at Sean Desai (currently an assistant with Seattle) or Ejiro Evero (Broncos DC if Payton does not want his own guy)
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I loved Flores as a coach  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/2/2023 12:42 pm : link
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Thanks for splaining. I'm too stoopid to understand.

Call me crazy or stupid, but it seems it would be difficult to prove what the motive is of an employer who simply chooses to not interview someone. Thousands of candidates of all skin colors are not interviewed for every HC job. Flores can sue anyone he wants, doesn't mean he's going to win the case.

And if you're going to be potentially sued if you interview him and decide not to hire him, what's the difference? You're potentially going to be sued either way unless you interview and hire him (and that's only until you eventually fire him, bc unless you're Belichick, you will be fired or "retired" someday).

I'm not a lawyer, but Flores might have a better case if you actually interview him (but don't hire him), because he can say you only did so bc of the Rooney rule and you never had any intention of actually hiring him.

If you just don't interview him (assuming they're interviewing other minorities), a team can say something to the effect of "we didn't interview a lot of people of all racial backgrounds".

By your logic there would never be a case for collusion, but those allegations do happen from time to time, although the cases rarely result in a finding of actual collusion (because it's difficult to prove without hard evidence, as you suggest).

I'm not saying Flores has a winning case in the first place, but he had enough to satisfy cause in bringing the lawsuit. I personally don't think his case is all that strong, and it feels a lot like sour grapes - anything he tacks on from this offseason would feel like more of the same, IMO. But I do think that teams probably do feel a sense of mindfulness about his case as they conduct their offseason hiring decisions.
Wilks  
Sammo85 : 2/2/2023 1:17 pm : link
is apparently being courted by Shanahan to be DC in San Francisco.
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Producer : 2/2/2023 1:21 pm : link
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But after what happened in Miami does the nfl really want him back in the fraternity? I’m not so sure.


Why would any team even interview him?

If you do and you decide to go with someone else, is he going to sue?

And why would any owner want someone who threw his last owner under the bus?



Because his lawsuit is ongoing and if teams refused the interview him, he'd could use that against him


So you can sue an employer for not interviewing you? WTF.


No, it wouldn't be cause for a lawsuit on its own. But if you already had a pending lawsuit where the claim is in part that you are being intentionally excluded from opportunities because of a whistleblowing incident, you might be looking for evidence that the alleged exclusion is continuing.

Is that too nuanced for you?


Thanks for splaining. I'm too stoopid to understand.

Call me crazy or stupid, but it seems it would be difficult to prove what the motive is of an employer who simply chooses to not interview someone. Thousands of candidates of all skin colors are not interviewed for every HC job. Flores can sue anyone he wants, doesn't mean he's going to win the case.

And if you're going to be potentially sued if you interview him and decide not to hire him, what's the difference? You're potentially going to be sued either way unless you interview and hire him (and that's only until you eventually fire him, bc unless you're Belichick, you will be fired or "retired" someday).

I'm not a lawyer, but Flores might have a better case if you actually interview him (but don't hire him), because he can say you only did so bc of the Rooney rule and you never had any intention of actually hiring him.

If you just don't interview him (assuming they're interviewing other minorities), a team can say something to the effect of "we didn't interview a lot of people of all racial backgrounds".


You're right. You're not a lawyer.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I loved Flores as a coach  
Dr. D : 2/2/2023 2:26 pm : link
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You're right. You're not a lawyer.


You say that like it's an insult.
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Dr. D : 2/2/2023 3:05 pm : link
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You're right. You're not a lawyer.



You say that like it's an insult.

J/K. I have nothing against lawyers. Have some very close family members and friends who are. Some bad apples in every profession.
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