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AG5686 : 2/2/2023 9:28 am
RJ fan club member here,with some awful factual data with all kinda SAT typa woids about why RJ has been devolving.
Supposedly his Darko Defensive Plus minus wasn't getting along with his regressing 3pt % along with his RAPTOR being out of sorts or something....
Basically,IQ is outplaying him right now and Thibs trusts IQ down the stretch in games...see article link below

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/why-the-knicks-bench-rj-barrett-late-in-games/ar-AA16ZCng?cvid=9354115dbdbd4041b1963ccce2de29b7
Problem for Rj is  
nygiants16 : 2/2/2023 9:34 am : link
he is not a bad player, he is a bad fit next to Brunson and Randle..Now you can say well trade Randle but the Knicks are not going to do that, he is an all star player..

He is alsp terrible defensively right now, so IQ and Grimes are going to continue to play 4th quarter monutes over him
RE: Problem for Rj is  
AG5686 : 2/2/2023 9:36 am : link
In comment 16022546 nygiants16 said:
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he is not a bad player, he is a bad fit next to Brunson and Randle..Now you can say well trade Randle but the Knicks are not going to do that, he is an all star player..

He is alsp terrible defensively right now, so IQ and Grimes are going to continue to play 4th quarter monutes over him

Why do you think his D had devolved?perhaps he is hurt?
On O he needs a work over of his game,perhaps it can only be done in the offseason
RE: Problem for Rj is  
TyreeHelmet : 2/2/2023 9:45 am : link
In comment 16022546 nygiants16 said:
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he is not a bad player, he is a bad fit next to Brunson and Randle..Now you can say well trade Randle but the Knicks are not going to do that, he is an all star player..

He is alsp terrible defensively right now, so IQ and Grimes are going to continue to play 4th quarter monutes over him


He was getting cooked in the 4th quarter of the Lakers game and the effort hasn't been there on defense. Only has himself to blame for being benched and it was the right call.

If he didn't extend before this year, do you think he could top that contract this summer?
RE: RE: Problem for Rj is  
nygiants16 : 2/2/2023 9:45 am : link
In comment 16022550 AG5686 said:
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he is not a bad player, he is a bad fit next to Brunson and Randle..Now you can say well trade Randle but the Knicks are not going to do that, he is an all star player..

He is alsp terrible defensively right now, so IQ and Grimes are going to continue to play 4th quarter monutes over him


Why do you think his D had devolved?perhaps he is hurt?
On O he needs a work over of his game,perhaps it can only be done in the offseason


I dont know he looks slow for some reason..

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AG5686 : 2/2/2023 9:47 am : link
In comment 16022559 nygiants16 said:
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he is not a bad player, he is a bad fit next to Brunson and Randle..Now you can say well trade Randle but the Knicks are not going to do that, he is an all star player..

He is alsp terrible defensively right now, so IQ and Grimes are going to continue to play 4th quarter monutes over him


Why do you think his D had devolved?perhaps he is hurt?
On O he needs a work over of his game,perhaps it can only be done in the offseason



I dont know he looks slow for some reason..

agreed
RE: RE: Problem for Rj is  
nygiants16 : 2/2/2023 9:48 am : link
In comment 16022558 TyreeHelmet said:
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he is not a bad player, he is a bad fit next to Brunson and Randle..Now you can say well trade Randle but the Knicks are not going to do that, he is an all star player..

He is alsp terrible defensively right now, so IQ and Grimes are going to continue to play 4th quarter monutes over him



He was getting cooked in the 4th quarter of the Lakers game and the effort hasn't been there on defense. Only has himself to blame for being benched and it was the right call.

If he didn't extend before this year, do you think he could top that contract this summer?


I think if a team just looked at him offensively, he could get the same contract, but i dont know, i didnt want to extend him last offseason..

i dont think Rose wanted to either but felt like he had to when thr mitchell trade crashed and burned
RE: RE: Problem for Rj is  
AG5686 : 2/2/2023 9:49 am : link
In comment 16022558 TyreeHelmet said:
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he is not a bad player, he is a bad fit next to Brunson and Randle..Now you can say well trade Randle but the Knicks are not going to do that, he is an all star player..

He is alsp terrible defensively right now, so IQ and Grimes are going to continue to play 4th quarter monutes over him



He was getting cooked in the 4th quarter of the Lakers game and the effort hasn't been there on defense. Only has himself to blame for being benched and it was the right call.

If he didn't extend before this year, do you think he could top that contract this summer?

No way he gets that type of deal...
You remember last year he outplayed LeBron when these 2 teams met.....something is up with his knee
I dont think he is hurt  
nygiants16 : 2/2/2023 10:00 am : link
he simply doesnt fit as a 3rd option, the 3rd option on a team has to be able to be a knock down shooter, play great defense and do a bunch of the little things..He will get his oppurtunities when the bench comes in but with the starters he has to change his game..

He just doesnt have that, he is go to the rim at all costs type of players, sure he is going to have nights where he is hot from 3, but he cant do it consistently
he was always going to have a hard cap on his potential  
Greg from LI : 2/2/2023 10:06 am : link
Because he simply is not a plus athlete for this level.
RJ is terrible on D  
DCOrange : 2/2/2023 10:15 am : link
RJ barely tries to play D and moves his feet like he is wearing concrete shoes. He puts in zero effort. Reminds me of the basket hanger we have all played with at the playground. Swipes at someone driving then sprints down court with his hand up. He should never be on the court at the end of close games.
In another year  
Carl in CT : 2/2/2023 10:21 am : link
His contract with be like Noah or Fournier who we could wait to get rid of. Sell him now as he value will only decrease.
RE: In another year  
widmerseyebrow : 2/2/2023 10:30 am : link
In comment 16022609 Carl in CT said:
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His contract with be like Noah or Fournier who we could wait to get rid of. Sell him now as he value will only decrease.


Yep. I'm already bracing for it.
RJ  
TyreeHelmet : 2/2/2023 11:37 am : link
I said this last year and was killed for it on here. They needed to ( and hopefully still can) trade him while he still has some "upside" across the league from his reputation, 3rd overall pick and at times scoring stats.

He's just nowhere close to being good enough as a top 2 guy for a team and doesn't have the skillset or mindset to be a complimentary player.

I really wish they found a trade for him last summer or at least held off on the extension. Huge misfire by Rose.
RE: RJ is terrible on D  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/2/2023 12:42 pm : link
In comment 16022601 DCOrange said:
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RJ barely tries to play D and moves his feet like he is wearing concrete shoes. He puts in zero effort. Reminds me of the basket hanger we have all played with at the playground. Swipes at someone driving then sprints down court with his hand up. He should never be on the court at the end of close games.


Yes - He only sprints if he thinks he can score. He wanders around on defense when others are diving on the court for the ball. It just seems like he thinks he is much, much better than he is. I don't think the contract helped that problem.

He's young, so there is hope, but something needs to wake him up.
Athletes have slumps at work for the same reasons anyone does:  
81_Great_Dane : 2/2/2023 4:18 pm : link
Personal problems, family issues, relationship problems... RJ may be having stuff we don't know about. But for whatever reason, his defense seems to have regressed and his whole game seems to have plateaued, without any evidence he's trying to add something new.

I was glad he was re-signed but now I wouldn't be sorry to see him go. On offense, he's the third option at best and — as said above — he's not a great fit with Randle. If he became a killer 3-point shooter, he'd be better. But the Knicks need better play from the wing position.
RE: Athletes have slumps at work for the same reasons anyone does:  
TyreeHelmet : 2/2/2023 4:25 pm : link
In comment 16023040 81_Great_Dane said:
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Personal problems, family issues, relationship problems... RJ may be having stuff we don't know about. But for whatever reason, his defense seems to have regressed and his whole game seems to have plateaued, without any evidence he's trying to add something new.

I was glad he was re-signed but now I wouldn't be sorry to see him go. On offense, he's the third option at best and — as said above — he's not a great fit with Randle. If he became a killer 3-point shooter, he'd be better. But the Knicks need better play from the wing position.


But this is who he is as a player. Does he really look any different than his time at Duke?

Rose screwed up big time not sending him for Mitchell when he had a chance.
We all knew we were screwed the minute  
bceagle05 : 2/2/2023 4:35 pm : link
the lottery results came in that year - we were getting a consolation prize with the third pick. It’s played out exactly as expected.
RE: RJ  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/2/2023 4:43 pm : link
In comment 16022739 TyreeHelmet said:
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I said this last year and was killed for it on here. They needed to ( and hopefully still can) trade him while he still has some "upside" across the league from his reputation, 3rd overall pick and at times scoring stats.

He's just nowhere close to being good enough as a top 2 guy for a team and doesn't have the skillset or mindset to be a complimentary player.

I really wish they found a trade for him last summer or at least held off on the extension. Huge misfire by Rose.

With RJ's extension, how would a potential trade work as far as the salaries go? According to the ESPN Trade Machine, RJ has a salary value of ~$23M for whatever team acquires him, but he's only counting for ~$10M for the Knicks currently. Does that mean they'd have to get a team with cap space into the trade so that someone is absorbing the difference between what RJ costs the Knicks right now vs. what his implied cap value is to the team who acquires him?
Noooo  
AG5686 : 2/2/2023 4:57 pm : link
Don't trade RJ
I just bought my son his #9 NY Knicks jersey....cmon have a heart
Coaching and correct usage  
larryflower37 : 2/2/2023 5:26 pm : link
Quickley, Toppin and RJ are miss used and will go elsewhere and we will wish we had them back.
IQ is a clearly better player in almost every way  
ElitoCanton : 2/2/2023 5:28 pm : link
and the Knicks flourish when IQ plays. RJ just isn't very good.
RE: Coaching and correct usage  
nygiants16 : 2/2/2023 5:43 pm : link
In comment 16023113 larryflower37 said:
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Quickley, Toppin and RJ are miss used and will go elsewhere and we will wish we had them back.


How is quickley and Rj misused?
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larryflower37 : 2/2/2023 5:48 pm : link
In comment 16023125 nygiants16 said:
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Quickley, Toppin and RJ are miss used and will go elsewhere and we will wish we had them back.



How is quickley and Rj misused?

Pace, playing fast and bad spacing
RE: We all knew we were screwed the minute  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/2/2023 5:55 pm : link
In comment 16023070 bceagle05 said:
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the lottery results came in that year - we were getting a consolation prize with the third pick. It’s played out exactly as expected.


I mean he's not Darko Milicic.

Hes an NBA player that will probably have a 12-15 year career. He's just probably never going to be a guy that shifts the direction of a franchise.

Coaching and correct usage  
AG5686 : 2/2/2023 6:34 pm : link
In comment 16023128 larryflower37 said:
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Quickley, Toppin and RJ are miss used and will go elsewhere and we will wish we had them back.



How is quickley and Rj misused?


Pace, playing fast and bad spacing

IQ has been brought along and developed nicely-and has been a very pleasant surprise...
RJ uggg,I do think Thibs messed his game up,first he encouraged him to take 3 pt shots-big mistake,then he had him attack the rim,a good idea in principle,but RJ just puts his head down and goes 1 on 3 alot....
My hope is this off season,the coaches can get him to work on a pull up game and teach him to attack the paint like Brunson,and attack the rim like Grimes....his D is even more of a conundrum,but my hope is it is an injury
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/2/2023 6:36 pm : link
His defense vs. LAL was pathetic. He's regressed; I don't think he'll ever be a Robin on an NBA title contender.
SF  
AG5686 : 2/2/2023 6:44 pm : link
In comment 16023179 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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His defense vs. LAL was pathetic. He's regressed; I don't think he'll ever be a Robin on an NBA title contender.

Do you remember last year,he covered LeBron did a decent job and outplayed him...
AG.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/2/2023 6:52 pm : link
I recall. RJ sucked vs. LAL on both ends of the court. I give a ton of shit to Thibs, but inserting IQ in over RJ was 100% the right call.
SF  
AG5686 : 2/2/2023 6:57 pm : link
https://theathletic.com/nba/game/los-angeles-lakers-vs-new-york-knicks/XQrkS4D17JONLknN/

I believe this is the game..
No Brunsons tonight  
nygiants16 : 2/2/2023 6:58 pm : link
Lets see if Rj can step up and be an effecient scorer tonight..

I would guess Quickley starts
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/2/2023 7:08 pm : link
I was excited when we signed Brunson, but he's been better than even I had hoped.
Randle made the ASG but not Brunson  
Anakim : 2/2/2023 7:09 pm : link
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RE: Randle made the ASG but not Brunson  
nygiants16 : 2/2/2023 7:11 pm : link
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Holiday and Derozan should not have made it..

Wait, what?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/2/2023 7:13 pm : link
How the fuck did Brunson not make the ASG? What a fucking joke.
RE: Wait, what?  
nygiants16 : 2/2/2023 7:19 pm : link
In comment 16023229 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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How the fuck did Brunson not make the ASG? What a fucking joke.


They werent going to give the knicks 2 all stars for the 7th seed
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