and not their SB performance that is being measured, it is not as bad as it looks. I have a few quibbles with the list, but Eli ought to be in the 15-18 range. I would put him right around the same spot as Big Ben. I would also have Staubach higher. Wilson seems too high given how bad he was this year. He needs to have more great years to be as high as he is.
If you want to measure pure SB performance Eli is definitely top 10 and probably top 5.
Spoiler: Jim Plunkett, winner of two Super Bowls, did not have a better career than Marino, who won none.
While Marino had much better stats and broke records, he never won a Super Bowl. And isn't the whole purpose of playing to win Super Bowls? If it's just to accumulate stats, then who cares if the QB started in a Super Bowl? Warren Moon, Philip Rivers, Jim Everett, Fouts, etc., never made it to the Super Bowl but were better QB's than many on this list.
Whether it is Super Bowl only or career. Not sure what the formula Football Reference uses here, but just check this out. Hall of Fame predictor from Football Reference.
I listen to the Around The NFL Podcast and he always hates on the Giants, the rest of the guys give him shit about it too because he's a Patriots fan and hates that the Giants beat them twice in the Super Bowl. He's actually shown to be quite a fair weather fan in general, now that Brady left the Patriots.
A lot of his takes are terrible when it comes to the Giants, you could tell he didn't really research the team at all during the season. He would say things like, teams figured out how to beat Barkley, without mentioning all the injuries on the offensive line. And he said the return of Adoree Jackson and Xavier McKinney wouldn't make a difference against the Vikings in the Playoffs.
to elite group I think a lot of it comes down to how those teams are built and play and even what division and conference they play in.
There is only year where the Giants had a upper tier group of WR's and one elite option with then a still functional OL. This was the year that Eli also entered the elite category and the year he won his second SB trophy.
His early career the offense was built off the running game and the team was built and executed it at a top 5 level and one year was first. Eli was a SB MVP with that team as well.
2012-19. Good luck finding much of any of those type of teams Eli had played with earlier. What a waste and probably a missed opportunity at a third SB which would make these lists foolish that sometimes appear.
Garbage writer.
I don’t know his credential but he’s still hired by NFL.com and he writes this every year regarding super bowl QB ranking and he always puts Eli bottom.
He’s just biased and his Eli hater.
So I would just take this ranking in garbage territory.
Every time Eli mentioned, he is quick to trash on him.
I knew he’s gonna do this year again. Whateves…
You can't at once be outraged that Eli is so low and Ben is too high. He played 18 seasons, had a winning record all but three times, one of those three he was 8-8 and another he only played 2 games (2019 injury-shortened season).
He also won two rings. Led his team to the playoffs an incredible 12 times. 13-10 playoff record, three Super Bowl appearances.
5th All-Time in passing, just behind Brett Favre. He happened to play in Tom Brady's and Peyton Manning's era, in their conference...so he gets a little underrated because of that.
But the career accomplishments I think should have him ahead of some of the guys in the tier above him.
all HOF nominations/inductions, Oscars, Emmys, etc.....and my favorite "whos/whats the best" lists...
WHO CARES about ANY of them??? They are all just opinions of people that I really dont care about. Period. End of Story. I have my own opinions, and thats all that counts to me.
An example of why it might be difficult for Eli to make the HOF
The narrative that Eli won two Super Bowl because of fluke plays and the Giants defense is untrue. Sports writers often perpetuate this false opinion. Unfortunately, I suspect many HOF voters likely hold this view, but it's a disconnect with reality.
You can't at once be outraged that Eli is so low and Ben is too high. He played 18 seasons, had a winning record all but three times, one of those three he was 8-8 and another he only played 2 games (2019 injury-shortened season).
He also won two rings. Led his team to the playoffs an incredible 12 times. 13-10 playoff record, three Super Bowl appearances.
5th All-Time in passing, just behind Brett Favre. He happened to play in Tom Brady's and Peyton Manning's era, in their conference...so he gets a little underrated because of that.
But the career accomplishments I think should have him ahead of some of the guys in the tier above him.
I’m not outraged, I think Ben is too high and Eli to low. When I think borderline top 10 QB of all time Ben Roethlisberger doesn’t even enter my mind.
Like Eric said....The Giants did him no favors from 2012 on. And generally Eli was a much better QB in those 2 playoff runs than he was as a week to week QB in the regular season.
1. Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Rodgers
4. Brees
5. Mahomes (and climbing)
6. Ben
7. Wilson
8. Warner (cheating a bit since his best yrs were 98-99)
9. Eli
10. Rivers
HM
1. Stafford
2. Ryan
3. Romo
4. McNabb
Not SB QB’s, just in general. But it’s really hard to compare guys in the past generations. Different style game
I have him third: Montana, Brady, Elway, PManning, Marino
The Denver teams that got destroyed in Elway's first three trips to the SB really had little business being there. But Elway dragged those teams with his stellar play (e.g. "The Drive" in Cleveland). And that was during a time when the NFC absolutely owned the AFC.
and let's set that number to 3 games ---fine, rank these fucks anyway you see fit.
I don't see the point in NOT citing the biggest games when conducting these stupid lists, but what do I know. You want to just go on longevity ( it's still wrong) I guess so...
If you want to go by big game performances and sort of marry that with longevity and consistency you['re an absolute fucking idiot to rank Ryan over Eli.
You take Ryan. I take Eli. Let's see where those teams end up with everything else being equal. 10 year run. Same type of teams. For crying out loud it makes my brain hurt even typing that out. Some of these people actually get paid to come up with this shite.
I have him third: Montana, Brady, Elway, PManning, Marino
The Denver teams that got destroyed in Elway's first three trips to the SB really had little business being there. But Elway dragged those teams with his stellar play (e.g. "The Drive" in Cleveland). And that was during a time when the NFC absolutely owned the AFC.
Whether it is Super Bowl only or career. Not sure what the formula Football Reference uses here, but just check this out. Hall of Fame predictor from Football Reference.
You may have changed opinions of Jim Kelly & Aikman after looking at it. Football Reference Hall of Fame QB Monitor - ( New Window )
Really confused why Matt Ryan is so high on that list.......mindboggling.
RE: An example of why it might be difficult for Eli to make the HOF
The narrative that Eli won two Super Bowl because of fluke plays and the Giants defense is untrue. Sports writers often perpetuate this false opinion. Unfortunately, I suspect many HOF voters likely hold this view, but it's a disconnect with reality.
Hard for me to call the throw to Manningham a "fluke play".
It was a perfect sideline throw.
If we're going to throw out those type of plays, why bother?
You can't at once be outraged that Eli is so low and Ben is too high. He played 18 seasons, had a winning record all but three times, one of those three he was 8-8 and another he only played 2 games (2019 injury-shortened season).
He also won two rings. Led his team to the playoffs an incredible 12 times. 13-10 playoff record, three Super Bowl appearances.
5th All-Time in passing, just behind Brett Favre. He happened to play in Tom Brady's and Peyton Manning's era, in their conference...so he gets a little underrated because of that.
But the career accomplishments I think should have him ahead of some of the guys in the tier above him.
I’m not outraged, I think Ben is too high and Eli to low. When I think borderline top 10 QB of all time Ben Roethlisberger doesn’t even enter my mind.
I didn't mean to imply you were outraged. Sometimes, I respond to a single poster's comment and include other comments that are a generic reply to the rest of the thread posters. I can see why that's misleading.
In terms of borderline top 10 QBs of all time and Roethlisberger not even entering your mind...perhaps he should.
I mean that.
There are only 12 QBs in history that have won multiple Super Bowls. I'm not saying being on this list makes you a top 10 QB, but the championships do matter, and taken with his other career accomplishments, I think 10-ish should be about where history remembers him. Here are the QBs that have won multiple SBs:
Tom Brady – 7
Joe Montana – 4
Terry Bradshaw – 4
Troy Aikman – 3
Eli Manning – 2
Peyton Manning – 2
Ben Roethlisberger – 2
John Elway – 2
Jim Plunkett – 2
Bob Griese – 2
Roger Staubach – 2
Bart Starr – 2
Perhaps we'll add Mahomes to the list in two weeks.
Obviously, he's better than Plunkett. I'd put him over Griese. I have a tough time with the QBs of the 70s and prior because before my era, but in terms of relative accomplishment to their peers and team success, Staubach and Starr are very comparable.
In terms of the player at his peak, I'd take him over Aikman.
And I will always love Eli, but objectively, Roethlisberger had the greater career, it's not really debatable.
Fun fact I saw Roethlisberger play against UCF when he was the QB of Miami of Ohio. The disrespect they showed the UCF defense was hilarious. It'd be 4th and long and they'd go for it and make it. Roethlisberger was amazing in that game and I knew he'd be a great pro.
But 5th in passing, 8th in TD passes, 6th in completions on the all-time list... plus the two rings. I think he's deserving.
I greatly discount or place a premium on the situation a player works within. Over the last 20 years not many QBs were in a more fortunate position than Rosethlisberger and I’m discounting where I rank him because of that. And for Eli, he dealt with half a careers worth of pretty wretched management. I put a premium on that. All these guys will amass the stats, so it really doesn’t mean much.
As a whole this is a pretty terrible list and the above is one of the reasons why. But it got us all to click!
I did not realize it was 12 QB's who had multiple SB's.
Pretty interesting considering the era and how those teams played offense and how important the QB was to the wins. Then you have a good portion of the QB's playing with at least 1 HOF on offense and some multiple.
If you want to measure pure SB performance Eli is definitely top 10 and probably top 5.
It's a shame the Giants didn't have a better team around him in the second half of his career.
If it wasn’t for Daniel Jeremiah or Bucky Brooks with some draft stuff I wouldn’t watch a single show or segment they have ever.
While Marino had much better stats and broke records, he never won a Super Bowl. And isn't the whole purpose of playing to win Super Bowls? If it's just to accumulate stats, then who cares if the QB started in a Super Bowl? Warren Moon, Philip Rivers, Jim Everett, Fouts, etc., never made it to the Super Bowl but were better QB's than many on this list.
if it was a playoff rank i’m sure he would be a top 8-10 qb. Hard to ignore his playoff resume.
It's a shame the Giants didn't have a better team around him in the second half of his career.
Bingo
This is definitely bait for Giants fans.
You may have changed opinions of Jim Kelly & Aikman after looking at it.
Football Reference Hall of Fame QB Monitor - ( New Window )
A lot of his takes are terrible when it comes to the Giants, you could tell he didn't really research the team at all during the season. He would say things like, teams figured out how to beat Barkley, without mentioning all the injuries on the offensive line. And he said the return of Adoree Jackson and Xavier McKinney wouldn't make a difference against the Vikings in the Playoffs.
There is only year where the Giants had a upper tier group of WR's and one elite option with then a still functional OL. This was the year that Eli also entered the elite category and the year he won his second SB trophy.
His early career the offense was built off the running game and the team was built and executed it at a top 5 level and one year was first. Eli was a SB MVP with that team as well.
2012-19. Good luck finding much of any of those type of teams Eli had played with earlier. What a waste and probably a missed opportunity at a third SB which would make these lists foolish that sometimes appear.
I don’t know his credential but he’s still hired by NFL.com and he writes this every year regarding super bowl QB ranking and he always puts Eli bottom.
He’s just biased and his Eli hater.
So I would just take this ranking in garbage territory.
Every time Eli mentioned, he is quick to trash on him.
I knew he’s gonna do this year again. Whateves…
I would argue Big Ben should be higher.
You can't at once be outraged that Eli is so low and Ben is too high. He played 18 seasons, had a winning record all but three times, one of those three he was 8-8 and another he only played 2 games (2019 injury-shortened season).
He also won two rings. Led his team to the playoffs an incredible 12 times. 13-10 playoff record, three Super Bowl appearances.
5th All-Time in passing, just behind Brett Favre. He happened to play in Tom Brady's and Peyton Manning's era, in their conference...so he gets a little underrated because of that.
But the career accomplishments I think should have him ahead of some of the guys in the tier above him.
WHO CARES about ANY of them??? They are all just opinions of people that I really dont care about. Period. End of Story. I have my own opinions, and thats all that counts to me.
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Ben top 15 all time is embarrassing.
I would argue Big Ben should be higher.
You can't at once be outraged that Eli is so low and Ben is too high. He played 18 seasons, had a winning record all but three times, one of those three he was 8-8 and another he only played 2 games (2019 injury-shortened season).
He also won two rings. Led his team to the playoffs an incredible 12 times. 13-10 playoff record, three Super Bowl appearances.
5th All-Time in passing, just behind Brett Favre. He happened to play in Tom Brady's and Peyton Manning's era, in their conference...so he gets a little underrated because of that.
But the career accomplishments I think should have him ahead of some of the guys in the tier above him.
I’m not outraged, I think Ben is too high and Eli to low. When I think borderline top 10 QB of all time Ben Roethlisberger doesn’t even enter my mind.
yea ok.
yea ok.
He's on the losing end of a 25 point lead in a superbowl and what a 30 point lead this year against the vikings? Pathetic ranking...
Yup.
I remember when he was just a guy on Rotoworld who would come up with weekly player rankings. He’s irrelevant.
I believe Elway is the most underrated great QB.
There was absolutely nothing he couldn't do at the position. He had every tool imaginable.
2. Peyton Manning
3. Rodgers
4. Brees
5. Mahomes (and climbing)
6. Ben
7. Wilson
8. Warner (cheating a bit since his best yrs were 98-99)
9. Eli
10. Rivers
HM
1. Stafford
2. Ryan
3. Romo
4. McNabb
Not SB QB’s, just in general. But it’s really hard to compare guys in the past generations. Different style game
Exactly. Eli has 2 Super Bowl rings.
Maybe Matt Ryan can have a ring made to recognize his ranking on this list?
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Dumb list.
I believe Elway is the most underrated great QB.
There was absolutely nothing he couldn't do at the position. He had every tool imaginable.
I put him no lower than 5. Id probably go higher.
I put him no lower than 5. Id probably go higher.
He should be in the top five.
I have him third: Montana, Brady, Elway, PManning, Marino
The Denver teams that got destroyed in Elway's first three trips to the SB really had little business being there. But Elway dragged those teams with his stellar play (e.g. "The Drive" in Cleveland). And that was during a time when the NFC absolutely owned the AFC.
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blew a 25 point lead and lost. But yeah, he's ahead of Eli, who won 2 as the underdog.
Exactly. Eli has 2 Super Bowl rings.
Maybe Matt Ryan can have a ring made to recognize his ranking on this list?
Eli was also 2x superbowl MVP (Legit)
I don't see the point in NOT citing the biggest games when conducting these stupid lists, but what do I know. You want to just go on longevity ( it's still wrong) I guess so...
If you want to go by big game performances and sort of marry that with longevity and consistency you['re an absolute fucking idiot to rank Ryan over Eli.
You take Ryan. I take Eli. Let's see where those teams end up with everything else being equal. 10 year run. Same type of teams. For crying out loud it makes my brain hurt even typing that out. Some of these people actually get paid to come up with this shite.
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I put him no lower than 5. Id probably go higher.
He should be in the top five.
I have him third: Montana, Brady, Elway, PManning, Marino
The Denver teams that got destroyed in Elway's first three trips to the SB really had little business being there. But Elway dragged those teams with his stellar play (e.g. "The Drive" in Cleveland). And that was during a time when the NFC absolutely owned the AFC.
Correct.
You may have changed opinions of Jim Kelly & Aikman after looking at it. Football Reference Hall of Fame QB Monitor - ( New Window )
Really confused why Matt Ryan is so high on that list.......mindboggling.
Hard for me to call the throw to Manningham a "fluke play".
It was a perfect sideline throw.
If we're going to throw out those type of plays, why bother?
Kurt warner is way too low
Stafford is wayyy too high. Does not belong above Eli or McNair and thats not even close.
Laughable a guy like this is paid to write about football.
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Ben top 15 all time is embarrassing.
I would argue Big Ben should be higher.
You can't at once be outraged that Eli is so low and Ben is too high. He played 18 seasons, had a winning record all but three times, one of those three he was 8-8 and another he only played 2 games (2019 injury-shortened season).
He also won two rings. Led his team to the playoffs an incredible 12 times. 13-10 playoff record, three Super Bowl appearances.
5th All-Time in passing, just behind Brett Favre. He happened to play in Tom Brady's and Peyton Manning's era, in their conference...so he gets a little underrated because of that.
But the career accomplishments I think should have him ahead of some of the guys in the tier above him.
I’m not outraged, I think Ben is too high and Eli to low. When I think borderline top 10 QB of all time Ben Roethlisberger doesn’t even enter my mind.
I didn't mean to imply you were outraged. Sometimes, I respond to a single poster's comment and include other comments that are a generic reply to the rest of the thread posters. I can see why that's misleading.
In terms of borderline top 10 QBs of all time and Roethlisberger not even entering your mind...perhaps he should.
I mean that.
There are only 12 QBs in history that have won multiple Super Bowls. I'm not saying being on this list makes you a top 10 QB, but the championships do matter, and taken with his other career accomplishments, I think 10-ish should be about where history remembers him. Here are the QBs that have won multiple SBs:
Tom Brady – 7
Joe Montana – 4
Terry Bradshaw – 4
Troy Aikman – 3
Eli Manning – 2
Peyton Manning – 2
Ben Roethlisberger – 2
John Elway – 2
Jim Plunkett – 2
Bob Griese – 2
Roger Staubach – 2
Bart Starr – 2
Perhaps we'll add Mahomes to the list in two weeks.
Obviously, he's better than Plunkett. I'd put him over Griese. I have a tough time with the QBs of the 70s and prior because before my era, but in terms of relative accomplishment to their peers and team success, Staubach and Starr are very comparable.
In terms of the player at his peak, I'd take him over Aikman.
And I will always love Eli, but objectively, Roethlisberger had the greater career, it's not really debatable.
Fun fact I saw Roethlisberger play against UCF when he was the QB of Miami of Ohio. The disrespect they showed the UCF defense was hilarious. It'd be 4th and long and they'd go for it and make it. Roethlisberger was amazing in that game and I knew he'd be a great pro.
But 5th in passing, 8th in TD passes, 6th in completions on the all-time list... plus the two rings. I think he's deserving.
What BR had was a much better franchise that kept a much better team around him for practically his entire career.
As a whole this is a pretty terrible list and the above is one of the reasons why. But it got us all to click!
Pretty interesting considering the era and how those teams played offense and how important the QB was to the wins. Then you have a good portion of the QB's playing with at least 1 HOF on offense and some multiple.
Yes, but he was brilliant in rallying Pittsburgh to beat the Cards in epic SB 43.
What BR had was a much better franchise that kept a much better team around him for practically his entire career.
Love this take and I agree. People have no idea just how good eli was specifically in 2011. That was a 3-5 win team without him.