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With that said, if Johnston falls to #25...do you take him? Link - ( New Window )
is he is known to drop passes. In a quick throwing, slanting and crossing passing game, you cannot drop the pass (hello Slayton) or bobble and catch it (also Slayton) as it kills the momentum of the play or the drive.
We need a playmaker who catches everything thrown to him, who has some down field ability but also a ton of in and out of his cuts ability (like Diggs for Buffalo).
We want a well rounded passing attack, with varied skills and sizes.
Johnson would be awesome but the drops would need to stop.
but someone mentioned he suffers from drops. Imo, and I have stated this before, Daboll seems like the type that wants his Diggs/Jefferson. What I mean by that is a guy that can catch the ball, run the full route tree, get separation, and run after the catch. People try to use stats with the Giants receivers. We saw our WR suck, drop passes, and get no separation. Now, Daboll and Kafka ran plays to get WRs open and the stats on separation for our players a year later looked much better. What didn't look better was the drops. You can bet your ass that they want sure handed players. The run after the catch ability is huge too as you see the amount of crossing routes we ran. He'll get guys in favorable positions and they need to take it to the next level once they get the ball.
but someone mentioned he suffers from drops. Imo, and I have stated this before, Daboll seems like the type that wants his Diggs/Jefferson. What I mean by that is a guy that can catch the ball, run the full route tree, get separation, and run after the catch. People try to use stats with the Giants receivers. We saw our WR suck, drop passes, and get no separation. Now, Daboll and Kafka ran plays to get WRs open and the stats on separation for our players a year later looked much better. What didn't look better was the drops. You can bet your ass that they want sure handed players. The run after the catch ability is huge too as you see the amount of crossing routes we ran. He'll get guys in favorable positions and they need to take it to the next level once they get the ball.
they draft someone like Flowers. He's 5-10 172, virtually the same size as Robinson. They need bigger receivers outside to help with blocking and to win the 1-1 battles. Flowers projects inside.
Would be my choice in the 2nd round. May need to trade up for him if we don't get a receiver in the first round.
For me, as of right now, and I still have a lot of study to do on this WR class, but while I REALLY REALLY love Zay, he'd be behind Jordan Addison and Quentin Johnston. And I'd do backflips if we got Zay.
they draft someone like Flowers. He's 5-10 172, virtually the same size as Robinson. They need bigger receivers outside to help with blocking and to win the 1-1 battles. Flowers projects inside.
Dave...first rule is never trust the collegiate height/weight stuff. Wait for the combine, we'll get the real story. Truth is he might be 5'9". To me, when I've watched him, he plays bigger than the listed height/weight.
So that's good to see. Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle are both 5'9", Hill is a little thicker, but Flowers at 172 would be closer to Waddle's frame.
He can run routes close to Waddle too, and that's what's exciting about him.
But the size limitations are very likely why he's more of a 2nd round prospect.
However, if you look at the top NFL receivers - one trait that they all have is they are hands catchers who can catch passes away from their frame. Of course, there are rare exceptions (Toomer comes to mind)
From what I’ve seen, Johnston is a body catcher. He’s 6’4 but plays much smaller than that as a result.
they draft someone like Flowers. He's 5-10 172, virtually the same size as Robinson. They need bigger receivers outside to help with blocking and to win the 1-1 battles. Flowers projects inside.
Dave...first rule is never trust the collegiate height/weight stuff. Wait for the combine, we'll get the real story. Truth is he might be 5'9". To me, when I've watched him, he plays bigger than the listed height/weight.
So that's good to see. Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle are both 5'9", Hill is a little thicker, but Flowers at 172 would be closer to Waddle's frame.
He can run routes close to Waddle too, and that's what's exciting about him.
But the size limitations are very likely why he's more of a 2nd round prospect.
We have wandale, don’t know if another small guy like flowers makes sense
But also not just drafting the big guy because he is big
they draft someone like Flowers. He's 5-10 172, virtually the same size as Robinson. They need bigger receivers outside to help with blocking and to win the 1-1 battles. Flowers projects inside.
Dave...first rule is never trust the collegiate height/weight stuff. Wait for the combine, we'll get the real story. Truth is he might be 5'9". To me, when I've watched him, he plays bigger than the listed height/weight.
So that's good to see. Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle are both 5'9", Hill is a little thicker, but Flowers at 172 would be closer to Waddle's frame.
He can run routes close to Waddle too, and that's what's exciting about him.
But the size limitations are very likely why he's more of a 2nd round prospect.
We have wandale, don’t know if another small guy like flowers makes sense
But also not just drafting the big guy because he is big
Zay Flowers is not a slot. He can do it if you want to put him there, but he's a boundary receiver all day. Wan'Dale isn't.
they draft someone like Flowers. He's 5-10 172, virtually the same size as Robinson. They need bigger receivers outside to help with blocking and to win the 1-1 battles. Flowers projects inside.
Dave...first rule is never trust the collegiate height/weight stuff. Wait for the combine, we'll get the real story. Truth is he might be 5'9". To me, when I've watched him, he plays bigger than the listed height/weight.
So that's good to see. Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle are both 5'9", Hill is a little thicker, but Flowers at 172 would be closer to Waddle's frame.
He can run routes close to Waddle too, and that's what's exciting about him.
But the size limitations are very likely why he's more of a 2nd round prospect.
We have wandale, don’t know if another small guy like flowers makes sense
But also not just drafting the big guy because he is big
Zay Flowers is not a slot. He can do it if you want to put him there, but he's a boundary receiver all day. Wan'Dale isn't.
I'm not sure where the drops thing comes from. I have read a few scouting reports on him. They are really positive, ranking him from top 15 to late first round, they do mention "concentration drops" as a weakness that needs to be cleaned up. This was explained in one write up as a drop because of focus, not because of technique (catching with the body, etc).
Anyway I would run to the podium. This guy could be a special guy like a Metcalf.
they draft someone like Flowers. He's 5-10 172, virtually the same size as Robinson. They need bigger receivers outside to help with blocking and to win the 1-1 battles. Flowers projects inside.
Seriously, they need the big, reliable target Golladay was supposed to be.
We need a playmaker who catches everything thrown to him, who has some down field ability but also a ton of in and out of his cuts ability (like Diggs for Buffalo).
We want a well rounded passing attack, with varied skills and sizes.
Johnson would be awesome but the drops would need to stop.
zay flowers
I also agree. Zay Flowers is the goods. On the field Antonio Brown clone.
For me, as of right now, and I still have a lot of study to do on this WR class, but while I REALLY REALLY love Zay, he'd be behind Jordan Addison and Quentin Johnston. And I'd do backflips if we got Zay.
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Let’s see him test !
Dave...first rule is never trust the collegiate height/weight stuff. Wait for the combine, we'll get the real story. Truth is he might be 5'9". To me, when I've watched him, he plays bigger than the listed height/weight.
So that's good to see. Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle are both 5'9", Hill is a little thicker, but Flowers at 172 would be closer to Waddle's frame.
He can run routes close to Waddle too, and that's what's exciting about him.
But the size limitations are very likely why he's more of a 2nd round prospect.
However, if you look at the top NFL receivers - one trait that they all have is they are hands catchers who can catch passes away from their frame. Of course, there are rare exceptions (Toomer comes to mind)
From what I’ve seen, Johnston is a body catcher. He’s 6’4 but plays much smaller than that as a result.
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they draft someone like Flowers. He's 5-10 172, virtually the same size as Robinson. They need bigger receivers outside to help with blocking and to win the 1-1 battles. Flowers projects inside.
Dave...first rule is never trust the collegiate height/weight stuff. Wait for the combine, we'll get the real story. Truth is he might be 5'9". To me, when I've watched him, he plays bigger than the listed height/weight.
So that's good to see. Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle are both 5'9", Hill is a little thicker, but Flowers at 172 would be closer to Waddle's frame.
He can run routes close to Waddle too, and that's what's exciting about him.
But the size limitations are very likely why he's more of a 2nd round prospect.
We have wandale, don’t know if another small guy like flowers makes sense
But also not just drafting the big guy because he is big
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In comment 16022741 Dave on the UWS said:
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they draft someone like Flowers. He's 5-10 172, virtually the same size as Robinson. They need bigger receivers outside to help with blocking and to win the 1-1 battles. Flowers projects inside.
Dave...first rule is never trust the collegiate height/weight stuff. Wait for the combine, we'll get the real story. Truth is he might be 5'9". To me, when I've watched him, he plays bigger than the listed height/weight.
So that's good to see. Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle are both 5'9", Hill is a little thicker, but Flowers at 172 would be closer to Waddle's frame.
He can run routes close to Waddle too, and that's what's exciting about him.
But the size limitations are very likely why he's more of a 2nd round prospect.
We have wandale, don’t know if another small guy like flowers makes sense
But also not just drafting the big guy because he is big
Zay Flowers is not a slot. He can do it if you want to put him there, but he's a boundary receiver all day. Wan'Dale isn't.
His game is more like Waddle than Wan'Dale.
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In comment 16022776 allstarjim said:
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In comment 16022741 Dave on the UWS said:
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they draft someone like Flowers. He's 5-10 172, virtually the same size as Robinson. They need bigger receivers outside to help with blocking and to win the 1-1 battles. Flowers projects inside.
Dave...first rule is never trust the collegiate height/weight stuff. Wait for the combine, we'll get the real story. Truth is he might be 5'9". To me, when I've watched him, he plays bigger than the listed height/weight.
So that's good to see. Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle are both 5'9", Hill is a little thicker, but Flowers at 172 would be closer to Waddle's frame.
He can run routes close to Waddle too, and that's what's exciting about him.
But the size limitations are very likely why he's more of a 2nd round prospect.
We have wandale, don’t know if another small guy like flowers makes sense
But also not just drafting the big guy because he is big
Zay Flowers is not a slot. He can do it if you want to put him there, but he's a boundary receiver all day. Wan'Dale isn't.
His game is more like Waddle than Wan'Dale.
Totally agree
I'm not sure where the drops thing comes from. I have read a few scouting reports on him. They are really positive, ranking him from top 15 to late first round, they do mention "concentration drops" as a weakness that needs to be cleaned up. This was explained in one write up as a drop because of focus, not because of technique (catching with the body, etc).
Anyway I would run to the podium. This guy could be a special guy like a Metcalf.
Seriously, they need the big, reliable target Golladay was supposed to be.