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Lukas Van Ness, DE, Iowa

HarryCarson53 : 2/3/2023 11:23 am
Should the Giants take him in rd 1? He’s been compared to Trey Hendrickson and is the kind of 2-way DE the Giants need. Great strength to play the run and has pass rush ability (even blocked two punts I saw). Hits like a ton of bricks and abuses quarterbacks. With him rushing from the left side and Thibs from the right and Dexter and Leonard coming up the middle, the Giants could have a fearsome pash rush. I’ll take him over any undersized receiver.
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Should be in play  
JB_in_DC : 2/3/2023 11:35 am : link
Seems like a nice upside play, and the type of player we could really use. Would love to get an inside/outside DL with youth and potential.

22 on Daniel Jeremiah Top 50.
I am on the record as being WR,LB,CB first  
AG5686 : 2/3/2023 11:45 am : link
But Van Ness is a GAME WRECKER!!
If  
Jerry from Maine : 2/3/2023 12:09 pm : link
Was still on the board,yes I would take him.
OL too  
bobc : 2/3/2023 12:23 pm : link
I want them to continue making the OL a strength. The Eagles defensive line owned us and if we do not fix that we cant beat them.
If they do...  
Klaatu : 2/3/2023 12:24 pm : link
I'll call him the Luke Ness Monster.
Van ness  
Hilary : 2/3/2023 1:17 pm : link
Sy # 36 ranked player likely
Will not last to giants 2nd pick
RE: If they do...  
widmerseyebrow : 2/3/2023 1:18 pm : link
In comment 16023769 Klaatu said:
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I'll call him the Luke Ness Monster.


+1
Like him a lot  
JonC : 2/3/2023 1:24 pm : link
need to see him compared to the available prospects at #25, but would think he'd be in the mix.
RE: If  
k2tampa : 2/3/2023 1:31 pm : link
In comment 16023744 Jerry from Maine said:
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Was still on the board,yes I would take him.


Haven't seen him play, but the numbers give me pause. Only 4 sacks in 10 Big 10 games this year, and they were against Rutgers, Northwestern, Purdue and a half each against Wisconsin and Kentucky. He had four of his sacks against South Dakota State, Iowa State and Nevada. He didn't top 4 total tackles (solo and assists) in those 10 Big 10 games. He had only one assist each against Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Now I know defensive linemen can affect a game without tackles, but those are weak numbers. He did have 2 tackles and 2 assists against Ohio State.
He's 6'5" 270. More of a 4-3 DE size not that that is a deal killer  
BillT : 2/3/2023 1:34 pm : link
The trouble with this is who you don't get. If he goes 1 then either WR or CB go 2 and whoever you don't get pick 2 is pushed into the 3rd. You can't be sure you've improved the priority positions enough. But if he's really a notch better than who else if left it's always ok with me to build the trenches.
RE: If they do...  
HarryCarson53 : 2/3/2023 5:54 pm : link
In comment 16023769 Klaatu said:
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I'll call him the Luke Ness Monster.

+1
RE: He's 6'5  
HarryCarson53 : 2/3/2023 5:55 pm : link
In comment 16023879 BillT said:
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The trouble with this is who you don't get. If he goes 1 then either WR or CB go 2 and whoever you don't get pick 2 is pushed into the 3rd. You can't be sure you've improved the priority positions enough. But if he's really a notch better than who else if left it's always ok with me to build the trenches.

We basically play a 4 man line now with the way we rush Ojulari and Thibs on almost every play.
Love to have him  
Rave7 : 2/3/2023 6:08 pm : link
But based on Daniel Jermiah and Dane Brugler, he’s going before top 20.
Good player.
RE: He's 6'5  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/3/2023 9:06 pm : link
In comment 16023879 BillT said:
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The trouble with this is who you don't get. If he goes 1 then either WR or CB go 2 and whoever you don't get pick 2 is pushed into the 3rd. You can't be sure you've improved the priority positions enough. But if he's really a notch better than who else if left it's always ok with me to build the trenches.


If NYG gets both the WR or the CB via FA or trade they can focus more on a BPA approach potentially.
RE: RE: He's 6'5  
Angel Eyes : 2/5/2023 10:06 pm : link
In comment 16024175 HarryCarson53 said:
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In comment 16023879 BillT said:


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The trouble with this is who you don't get. If he goes 1 then either WR or CB go 2 and whoever you don't get pick 2 is pushed into the 3rd. You can't be sure you've improved the priority positions enough. But if he's really a notch better than who else if left it's always ok with me to build the trenches.


We basically play a 4 man line now with the way we rush Ojulari and Thibs on almost every play.

I wouldn't be adverse to taking Van Ness with either one of our first two picks. Ojulari is a fine pass-rusher, but struggles when going up against OTs in the run game and I don't think playing consistently at LDE is a good idea for him in our two-man DL, two-man rushbacker/DE scheme; Ojulari tried to bulk up to play the power game this year, where he suffered a number of injuries due to strains and still got pushed around.

In my view of the personnel scheme if we draft Van Ness: the line would be Van Ness at LDE, Lawrence at LDT (1-tech), Williams at RDT (3-tech), and Thibodeaux at RDE, with Ojulari at SAM where he'd do battle with tight ends, similar to Von Miller in his early career. On passing downs, either Lawrence or Williams goes to the bench (could be either one), Van Ness would reduce to the vacated DT spot, and Ojulari would play LDE.
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