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Report: Bengals WR Tee Higgins "could be traded" for a top draft pick if the team can't reach an extension with him and the money he's asking for is "outrageous", per
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Higgins is entering the final year of his rookie contract, and went over 1,000 back to back seasons
Guess where theres smoke theres fire with twitter rumors...
HOWEVER, I just can't see Schoen giving up a 1 or 2 for the right to overpay a WR. This team isn't at that point yet.
Also- BBI X and Os guys would know better, but is Higgins good for Daboll? Separation, route running etc.
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Should i try that in Madden first? lol.
There’s going to be as much ‘ground up’ as possibly, and particularly via homegrowns.
I dont think this is a crazy take lol.
KG although an absolute bust here, was once a 4th round rookie and good on 4th round rookie money.
Higgins was a 2nd round pick.
I think BBI's point you allude to is, lets get OUR own stud WR on a rookie deal instead of overpaying one. That being said, there is a time and place to overpay for one, and i dont think the roster is there yet.
Yes, the idea is to draft players who are very good, yet relatively inexpensive for 4-5 years, as opposed to trading draft picks for expensive players.
This is especially true for thin rosters with lots of needs.
Yeah, that’s exactly what we should want. Other teams have them, and that’s why they are set up for success.
I’m out on Higgins due to his price tag and inability to dominate. Doesn’t mean he can’t but it’s certainly something I’m cautious of.
I'd love to get him, but not sure Schoen will recreate the Beane move for Diggs.
Giants may elect to go with re-signing their own long term and using the draft to acquire more WRs and depth.
Did you not read the part where he's asking for "outrageous" money? Pay a fortune and give up a #1 pick?
If Schoen makes that deal then he's an abject failure as a GM.
But either way the assets we will have to give up are likely huge, on top of a market rate contract. I just don’t see it.
He’s also always nicked up. He plays through a lot of the injuries, but they could also be contributing to his inconsistency. In terms of actual games missed there were 3 in 2021 and 2 in 2022.
This. However, this idea seems lost to many. They must long for the days of the cap master Dave Gettleman.
Exactly, I know the cap is rising, but we don’t have the luxury of a rookie QB salary anymore. Handing away top draft choices for a 1B level receiver and then paying him a crazy salary is not going to help this team.
He’s also always nicked up. He plays through a lot of the injuries, but they could also be contributing to his inconsistency. In terms of actual games missed there were 3 in 2021 and 2 in 2022.
Not sure that inconsistent is a fair criticism, aside from a fantasy football side of things. He's actually been pretty consistent overall during his career. The game to game fluctuation isn't that high but it's mainly because he's never led the team in targets. His rookie year he was just behind Tyler Boyd and then the last two years he's behind Chase - who is maybe the best WR in football. His catch rate is actually pretty consistent.
On the Giants, he'd lead the team in targets. If Schoen found a value that made sense, he'd be a great addition. Big and really outstanding on 50-50 balls. Exactly what the Giants need to stretch the field.
I'd love to get him, but not sure Schoen will recreate the Beane move for Diggs.
Giants may elect to go with re-signing their own long term and using the draft to acquire more WRs and depth.
Apples and oranges. Diggs had, what, three years left on his contract when he was traded? Higgins wants "outrageous money".
Not to mention, the pick Buffalo traded for Diggs turned into Jefferson. Think Buffalo would reverse that trade now? Two more years of Jefferson on a rookie deal versus what they have paid Diggs the last three years and what they will pay him over the next two before Jefferson gets a new deal?
Yeah I was saying this yesterday. Based on the Jeudy & Moore noise the Giants aren't opposed to dealing but will only do so for younger studs. Higgins does fit in that category.
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Was producing big when Chase was oout.
I'd love to get him, but not sure Schoen will recreate the Beane move for Diggs.
Giants may elect to go with re-signing their own long term and using the draft to acquire more WRs and depth.
Apples and oranges. Diggs had, what, three years left on his contract when he was traded? Higgins wants "outrageous money".
Not to mention, the pick Buffalo traded for Diggs turned into Jefferson. Think Buffalo would reverse that trade now? Two more years of Jefferson on a rookie deal versus what they have paid Diggs the last three years and what they will pay him over the next two before Jefferson gets a new deal?
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And unicorn rides also.
And unicorn rides also.
Again, yes. In other words, stay the course. What’s so hard to understand?
He's a legit #1 receiver.
It's up to Joe Schoen to decide if the price is too high.
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trade, a 24-year-old with several prime years ahead of him is the type of guy they should be pursuing.
Yeah I was saying this yesterday. Based on the Jeudy & Moore noise the Giants aren't opposed to dealing but will only do so for younger studs. Higgins does fit in that category.
And hey backed off their pursuit of Moore and Juedy because of the price in draft. Do you think Schoen is NOW willing to part with his first for a receiver who wants to renegotiate for crazy money?
Higgins has proven he is nothing like reagor
The guy is legit. Not JJ, who is?
I just don’t think we are there yet
I rather maneuver in the draft, maybe even trade out of first if it gets us 3 picks in 150. Maybe trade a 6 and 7th for another 5th and really try to solidify team with 9 picks between picks 40-150. Can solidify D on all level, oline and pick a couple wrs
Next yr go for the next wr who wants a big contract and mortgage some future then.
2 yrs sustainable level of performance plan.
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trade, a 24-year-old with several prime years ahead of him is the type of guy they should be pursuing.
Yeah I was saying this yesterday. Based on the Jeudy & Moore noise the Giants aren't opposed to dealing but will only do so for younger studs. Higgins does fit in that category.
And hey backed off their pursuit of Moore and Juedy because of the price in draft. Do you think Schoen is NOW willing to part with his first for a receiver who wants to renegotiate for crazy money?
Was Schoen unwilling to part with a first or was Schoen unwilling to part with a first for Jeudy?
Does Schoen see Higgins as a legit #1 whose only 24 years old? How much $$ does he believe should be tied into the WR position?
Schoen also didn't know where that pick was going end up being....and while the Giants weren't willing to trade a first for Jeudy they were very close to pulling the trigger with strong draft capital going the other way. So again, Schoen isn't unwilling to trade but he would want very good - elite young talent and Higgins fits that category.
I lean to standing pat or trading back btw.
Trading for a legit #1 WR like Higgins is exactly the kind of splash move that casual fans love, but it can also we something that's done at the expense of filling other needs.
for a conditional 7th round pick
Trading for a legit #1 WR like Higgins is exactly the kind of splash move that casual fans love, but it can also we something that's done at the expense of filling other needs.
I think they prefer a corner at their pick. The problem is I think there's going to be a run on corners prior to where the Giants are drafting. If thats the case I'm all for Higgins.
GUYS WE WANT A FUCKING WR. we have all complained for how bad ours are but then one comes along and its nah he too expensive. okay so play with the shit we have?
THIS is a great opportunity. #25 + a 3rd is comparable to what eagles gave for brown and its a NO BRAINER.
I mean RIGHT now which team in NFL WOULD NOT trade treylon burks and a 3rd rounder for AJ brown?
The giants have a lot of young talent including a qb and plenty of money. make the trade extend him and use the rest of draft and a couple of mid level FAs to round out the roster. you guys act like we won 2 games this season. the giants were competitive and have a fantastic coaching staff.
This is a VERY good move and one shcoen should make as long as the picks needed arent insane like 2 firsts
GUYS WE WANT A FUCKING WR. we have all complained for how bad ours are but then one comes along and its nah he too expensive. okay so play with the shit we have?
THIS is a great opportunity. #25 + a 3rd is comparable to what eagles gave for brown and its a NO BRAINER.
I mean RIGHT now which team in NFL WOULD NOT trade treylon burks and a 3rd rounder for AJ brown?
The giants have a lot of young talent including a qb and plenty of money. make the trade extend him and use the rest of draft and a couple of mid level FAs to round out the roster. you guys act like we won 2 games this season. the giants were competitive and have a fantastic coaching staff.
This is a VERY good move and one shcoen should make as long as the picks needed arent insane like 2 firsts
Getting Higgins would be exciting. It would feel like how it was when we got Plax. A young player entering his prime.
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GUYS WE WANT A FUCKING WR. we have all complained for how bad ours are but then one comes along and its nah he too expensive. okay so play with the shit we have?
THIS is a great opportunity. #25 + a 3rd is comparable to what eagles gave for brown and its a NO BRAINER.
I mean RIGHT now which team in NFL WOULD NOT trade treylon burks and a 3rd rounder for AJ brown?
The giants have a lot of young talent including a qb and plenty of money. make the trade extend him and use the rest of draft and a couple of mid level FAs to round out the roster. you guys act like we won 2 games this season. the giants were competitive and have a fantastic coaching staff.
This is a VERY good move and one shcoen should make as long as the picks needed arent insane like 2 firsts
Getting Higgins would be exciting. It would feel like how it was when we got Plax. A young player entering his prime.
100%.
It would give seriuous life to the offense. I mean guys like bellinger, wandale, etc would all benefit greatly from a guy who defenses have to fear. its legit opens your entire offense if you have a big time weapon that people fear in passing game.
The AJ Brown trade is the template. Designate KG as a post June 1st cute. Save 13M on the cap. Put it towards Higgins.
Draft another WR in rounds 2-3. Get Wandale healthy, extend Hodgins. Can turn WR from a weakness into a strength.
The AJ Brown trade is the template. Designate KG as a post June 1st cute. Save 13M on the cap. Put it towards Higgins.
Draft another WR in rounds 2-3. Get Wandale healthy, extend Hodgins. Can turn WR from a weakness into a strength.
im with you.
Higgins
Hodgins
Robinson
Maybe bring back richie james or slayton for depth? I think that top 3 is solid and would really do huge things for the offense
Also - Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow aren't coming with Higgins. Just so folks think and remember about that.
Exactly. I think he’s a good player, but he’s likely not worth what he wants. And the Plax comparisons from a team building perspective are not the same at all. The Giants didn’t give up any picks, they signed Plax as a FA. He also didn’t command a huge contract, the numbers were pretty reasonable.
I am a big fan of Higgins. No way am I paying him 30 million a year.
DJ has shown with the level of receiver he has here in 2022 he can be somewhat productive. Draft him a receiver that fits the Daboll mold and save the draft capital and cap space for Thomas, Lawrence, McKinney and the rest of our in house talent.
I expect a slight step back next year. We are more than a 30 million dollar WR away.
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possibly more, plus $30m per year. Can’t believe people think this is just some easy decision that Schoen has to do.
Exactly. I think he’s a good player, but he’s likely not worth what he wants. And the Plax comparisons from a team building perspective are not the same at all. The Giants didn’t give up any picks, they signed Plax as a FA. He also didn’t command a huge contract, the numbers were pretty reasonable.
that was over a decade ago. His cost would be the same today....
also, its just a comparison as to what it did for our offense/team
The giants offense in 08 was average with plax. with plax they were very tough.
as for replacement cost, I think barkley and higgins can fit under but if not, make him part of the package and sign mostert since BBI says RBs are easily replaceable and WR is a harder position to find. NO WRs of higgins ability is hitting FA market...