NFL trying to eliminate hip drop tackles

you just wind up adding so many rules that the game becomes impossible to officiate effectively.

If we're not there already.

...I mean, as said above, how many rules are we going to have.

It's hard enough tackling at the speed they are going at.

In comment 16023864 BlackLight said:

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you just wind up adding so many rules that the game becomes impossible to officiate effectively. If we're not there already.

Not just officiate. Players performing.

Guys are too big and fast. You have to bring them down to the ground...

In comment 16023864 BlackLight said:

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you just wind up adding so many rules that the game becomes impossible to officiate effectively. If we're not there already.

So, how exactly are you supposed to tackle a guy when you're running behind him? Certainly diving onto the back of their legs is more dangerous. I guess you have to grab their shirt, as long as it's not by the collar, and hope it's not a tear away version.

Just go to flag football now. Maybe that's why they are doing that game at the Pro Bowl, to see how fans react.

this is a popular backside pursuit tackle technique, something you can see a lot in LT highlights videos.

I do get why they'd consider banning it, it looks like a very dangerous play for the offensive players' legs. But at the same time, eliminating it would once again make offense easier.

They'll never do it but they really need to go back the defensive holding rules prior to Peyton and Polian whining about it.

Than anything else. Most players will tell you to go up high rather than down low. The problem is how to you really alter that? It sucks because you see DL do this all the time and it is tough to get them not to do it. People will be pissed initially with these penalties being called. The outside tackles by safeties can be avoided like this.

With the moronic reffing.

Are there any restrictions in terms of the offensive player's responsibility in terms of collision?

You're gonna have the defensive player making snap decisions on how to tackle as huge running backs are lowering the shoulder

In comment 16023895 ZogZerg said:

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With the moronic reffing.

Damn I miss the 70s with Tatum, lambert, the mad stork etc

Probably like "ohh now you do that?"

above the shoulders.
No tackling below the knees.
Just make ALL jerseys with a TACKLING ZONE.
Outside the ZONE, yellow flag.

Little people as RB and WR: a flag every time.

not here, necessarily. But the NFL needs to institute weigh-in numbers for positions. There needs to be a metric on how much you can weigh an any position, or otherwise be classified as a different position.

they do this in many sports, namely boxing.

Here is a good link form aussie football that shows what they are trying to remove. It really is dangerous, 200+ lbs coming down right on the lower leg area.
Link - ( New Window )

In comment 16023895 ZogZerg said:

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With the moronic reffing.

After the championship games I'm considering just walking away. At this point I pretty much just watch the Giants but the officiating is just terrible. And I don't understand it. College football officiating is fine.

Way too many rules in the NFL. No one watches to see 15 flags thrown. Especially in the playoffs.

I liked it a lot better when guys were getting concussed and knees bent the wrong way multiple times per game. Bring back the old days!

In comment 16023972 Pork Chop said:

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I liked it a lot better when guys were getting concussed and knees bent the wrong way multiple times per game. Bring back the old days!

You can pretend football isn't a violent sport but you would be wrong. Guys are still getting concussed and still suffering significant long term injuries. The only way you completely get rid of that is playing flag football.

By all means take reasonable measures to make play safer but the reality is at a certain point you take away from the quality of the game. And all of the illegal contact, defensive holding calls including on linemen and PI's aren't making the game safer. They're incentivizing points being scored and making the game harder to watch.

And there are a number of tackling rules that exist there that I think make sense. For example in rugby you have to wrap up if you smash your body without any attempt to wrap up its a foul. Which I think is a great rule.
However I do no think this one makes sense. What is the tackler supposed to do it if he grabbed the waist and is being dragged let go? No you drop our hips to add weight into your grab..

I'd argue that the way roughing the passer is called probably had more to do with the way the defender landed on his ankle than any hip drop tackle technique.
It looked like he might have been actively avoiding being called for landing on the qb or something by dropping to the ground away from his body.
video of mahomes injury on twitter - ( New Window )

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In comment 16023864 BlackLight said:

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you just wind up adding so many rules that the game becomes impossible to officiate effectively. If we're not there already.

IMO this is a real concern. I don't have any objection to trying to ban certain moves/techniques, like the horse collar tackle, the facemask, etc. The flying wedge was banned for safety reasons long ago. But at some point, it's impossible for guys to play the game within the rules, or for officials to call the game fairly. The game's too fast and you can't always plan your moves, or execute the moves exactly as planned.

In comment 16023930 BH28 said:

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Here is a good link form aussie football that shows what they are trying to remove. It really is dangerous, 200+ lbs coming down right on the lower leg area. Link - ( New Window )

Thanks for that link. Explains it clearly. That said, I share the concern over too many rules.

Its not drop hip as technique, it's going dead and having the runner have to drag you. How else do you stop somebody from behind. You have to stop your momentum, let your legs go out. How did SF take down Mark Bavaro. All 4 of those guys dropping to their knees.
I agree that all the techniques to avoid injury makes football weird. Like, why tackle then at all???

Cause those girls will display the correct technique ahead of NFL banning tackling

my first action would be to ban/penalize this type of tackle.

As mentioned, it changed the course of OBJ's career. Also how Dave Tollefson broke DeMarco Murray's ankle in the first quarter of the famous "JPP blocked FG" game.

This season, Daniel Jones was knocked out of the Bears game with a hip drop on a bootleg and was lucky to escape serious injury.

Arden Key was definitely intending to injure Mahomes. That play possibly could have been penalized under existing roughing the passer rules if Mahomes was deemed in the pocket, but, under existing rules, there is no protection for other players or for QBs when out of the pocket.

I've indexed the Bears-Giants highlights to the Jones play, which is a clear example.

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In order to avoid the flag

In comment 16024192 shyster said:

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my first action would be to ban/penalize this type of tackle. As mentioned, it changed the course of OBJ's career. Also how Dave Tollefson broke DeMarco Murray's ankle in the first quarter of the famous "JPP blocked FG" game. This season, Daniel Jones was knocked out of the Bears game with a hip drop on a bootleg and was lucky to escape serious injury. Arden Key was definitely intending to injure Mahomes. That play possibly could have been penalized under existing roughing the passer rules if Mahomes was deemed in the pocket, but, under existing rules, there is no protection for other players or for QBs when out of the pocket. I've indexed the Bears-Giants highlights to the Jones play, which is a clear example. link - ( New Window )

It will soon be easier to not tackle than make a tackle. Two hand touch is soon to appear.

In comment 16023925 knowledgetimmons said:

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not here, necessarily. But the NFL needs to institute weigh-in numbers for positions. There needs to be a metric on how much you can weigh an any position, or otherwise be classified as a different position. they do this in many sports, namely boxing.

Yea and Pop Warner too. Is that where we are going?

In comment 16024322 Bubba said:

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In comment 16023925 knowledgetimmons said: Quote: not here, necessarily. But the NFL needs to institute weigh-in numbers for positions. There needs to be a metric on how much you can weigh an any position, or otherwise be classified as a different position. they do this in many sports, namely boxing. Yea and Pop Warner too. Is that where we are going?

The actually stopped doing it in youth football.

There will just be more flags.

Flag Football! The prototype will be on display in this yrs Pro Bowl !

Just got to flags then.

that i feel like alot of injuries come from these type of tackles, its like a horse collar but with added weight at the legs planted in the ground.

that being said idk how they can do this

...It's a fine line.
They need to protect the players, but they also need to maintain the allure of the game.
Which in a lot of ways is the inherent violence.

I don't know the answer, but they need to figure out a way to have these competing interests coexist.

There is no easy answer...