Wink Martindale the frontrunner for Colts job

1) This has been reported on
2) It says A frontrunner, not THE frontrunner
3) How can we get Lou Anarumo?

It is annoying that one effing year with us and our two coordinators may be gone.

Based on his tweet he thinks Wink is just for pay raise leverage.
I don’t know who to believe in but Pat Leonard is not one of them.
So I’ll believe Colts on this one.
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In comment 16024113 Anakim said:

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1) This has been reported on 2) It says A frontrunner, not THE frontrunner 3) How can we get Lou Anarumo?

a2 #1) I didn't see a BBI thread today or yesterday about this report, it is a few hours old.

a2 #2) sure it doesn't say the frontrunner but read between the lines, he's going back for a 3rd interview (which is really rare in the NFL), that means they really like him and are more than serious. Also who else are they interviewing? They know what they have in Saturday and if he was the pick why bring back Wink a 3rd time?

this is a secondary source that is not relaying the primary source very well.

This is why I don't like it when posters posts the secondary source. They often get it wrong.

In comment 16024118 Giantsfan79 said:

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In comment 16024113 Anakim said: Quote: 1) This has been reported on 2) It says A frontrunner, not THE frontrunner 3) How can we get Lou Anarumo? a2 #1) I didn't see a BBI thread today or yesterday about this report, it is a few hours old. a2 #2) sure it doesn't say the frontrunner but read between the lines, he's going back for a 3rd interview (which is really rare in the NFL), that means they really like him and are more than serious. Also who else are they interviewing? They know what they have in Saturday and if he was the pick why bring back Wink a 3rd time?

For the same reason they are bringing back others for a 3rd time. He very well may get the job, but the secondary source didn't even quote Leonard correctly.

a definite article (the) and an indefinite article (a/an).

but it would really irk me if Indy hires him as a compromise choice between Jeff Saturday (who Irsay clearly wants to retain) and "anyone but Jeff Saturday" - which is what the entire Colts organization is angling for.

In comment 16024114 SomeFan said:

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It is annoying that one effing year with us and our two coordinators may be gone.

yep I agree....

In comment 16024123 Producer said:

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a definite article (the) and an indefinite article (a/an).

Normally, yes - but, and not to get pedantic - "a" frontrunner, by definition, has to be "the" frontrunner. As there is only leader in any race between individual entities.

We should convene a symposium on this topic, I think.

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Would be an excellent replacement

Or delete and repost with a better title. Cmon.

Leonard. The guy is a troll and this goes back to his days covering the Rangers. Also I thought it had been well known that Wink highly recommended Drew Wilkins when the Giants were hiring last year and basically said if you don't hire me then you still should bring in this guy regardless. If he does go my bet is they stay internal.

In comment 16024117 Rave7 said:

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Based on his tweet he thinks Wink is just for pay raise leverage. I don’t know who to believe in but Pat Leonard is not one of them. So I’ll believe Colts on this one. Link - ( New Window )

You brought me from despair to hope in just a few short posts.

Lou be available?

As long as whoever the replacement is, continues the aggressive style of D (obisouly, being smart about it like Wink was). Would shoot myself if I ever see "Bend and Break, and Crack into a millions pieces" D, again.

is likely taking the Niners DC job.

Anarumo is out there because I think his contract is technically up and Bengals are stingy on coaching salaries - and I think he's trying to leverage a nice pay raise after last few years work he's done.

Desai is supposedly trying to get the Broncos job under Payton.

so it’s gotta be true…

To ask about Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones and what we should do about signing them?

Atrocious thread title.

I would hire Wilks in 2 seconds.

I’m not one for sour grapes but if ever there was a guy who’s gotten a raw deal it’s Steve Wilks.

Only 1 year as Head Coach his first go round with a bust of a 1st round QB in what was then a monster division, follows that up by coaching his ass off in an interim role for a franchise he pretty much came up with as a coach only to not get the nod.

Granted I didn't read the primary source initially but did after you called me out (written in jest).

Your argument only makes sense if the Colts do invite others to interview a 3rd time. But right now there are no indications of that, trust me I hope more names drop.

But right now we know they have the incumbent Jeff Saturday and Wink they are bringing back. Based on those facts, it's logical to assume they aren't ready to close the deal with Saturday, or they wouldn't reinterview Wink. And Wink is the frontrunner because they aren't doing a deal with Saturday
So until we hear more names for 3rd interviews, Wink has to be considered the frontrunner i.e. unless he screws up he's the guy the Colts are hoping will win out.

In comment 16024148 Drewcon40 said:

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To ask about Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones and what we should do about signing them?

I guess only if "we" is the Indianapolis Colts if and when they've hired Wink Martindale to be their head coach.

Selfishly, I hope he doesn't get it. But if he does...well deserved & wish him the best.

In comment 16024157 Giantsfan79 said:

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Granted I didn't read the primary source initially but did after you called me out (written in jest). Your argument only makes sense if the Colts do invite others to interview a 3rd time. But right now there are no indications of that, trust me I hope more names drop. But right now we know they have the incumbent Jeff Saturday and Wink they are bringing back. Based on those facts, it's logical to assume they aren't ready to close the deal with Saturday, or they wouldn't reinterview Wink. And Wink is the frontrunner because they aren't doing a deal with Saturday So until we hear more names for 3rd interviews, Wink has to be considered the frontrunner i.e. unless he screws up he's the guy the Colts are hoping will win out.

I didn't "call you out"... I'm merely pointing out that sites like that routinely get the primary story wrong. BleacheerReport is the worst of the bunch. They are borderline garbage because they can't get it right.

The Colts PUBLICLY announced they were interviewing multiple candidates for a third time. Not just Wink.

As long as we get a solid DC, it is what it is.
It’s not like we dominated on D
I think winkcould have but being a few guys short hurts.
I am sure there are plenty of good candidates out there.
It’s up to daboll to get the right one.
Unless Lou A doesn’t want to be with bengals, he isn’t going anywhere
J Henderson was retained for a reason, he may be next up
Maybe wilkens wants to be his own guy and not follow wink as DC ( u know wink would have influence over colts D)
Same with kafka. Daboll imprint all over this offense. We found out good coaching really helps but as long as the GM/HC around, think we will be fine.

I don't care about what the Colts want or need. The Giants defence was decent this year under his direction, just imagine how well they'll become with him directing them again.

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In comment 16024178 Metnut said:

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This. At this point it seems intentional, as they have done it repeatedly.

leveraging the Giants for more $$$. Make him the highest paid DC in the league. I'm OK with that.

One of the truly best coaches I have seen in 40 years as a Giants fan. Hope he stays but Schoen and Daboll have got this organization working. They will figure it out. Hope Wink stays. he is so cool

Even if this were true, and Wink was subsequently offered the Colts job...even though I realize there is only 32 NFL head coaching gigs, and even though we're talking about head coach money, that might just be the one job he could realistically turn down, in favor of a better opportunity perhaps next year.

The organization is a little in disarray, and the owner is a volatile, interfering personality.

In comment 16024128 BlackLight said:

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In comment 16024123 Producer said: Quote: a definite article (the) and an indefinite article (a/an). Normally, yes - but, and not to get pedantic - "a" frontrunner, by definition, has to be "the" frontrunner. As there is only leader in any race between individual entities. We should convene a symposium on this topic, I think.

I hate to agree with Producer. However, while frontrunner by definition implies a definite article, the use of the indefinite article implies more than one. This is a pretty common practice in English grammar. Hopefully, this obviates the need for a symposium.

Article states he “a” front runner. There is a difference.

In comment 16024157 Giantsfan79 said:

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Granted I didn't read the primary source initially but did after you called me out (written in jest). Your argument only makes sense if the Colts do invite others to interview a 3rd time. But right now there are no indications of that, trust me I hope more names drop. But right now we know they have the incumbent Jeff Saturday and Wink they are bringing back. Based on those facts, it's logical to assume they aren't ready to close the deal with Saturday, or they wouldn't reinterview Wink. And Wink is the frontrunner because they aren't doing a deal with Saturday So until we hear more names for 3rd interviews, Wink has to be considered the frontrunner i.e. unless he screws up he's the guy the Colts are hoping will win out.

If he’s the only person getting a 3rd interview as you’re implying, why would they do a 3rd interview instead of offering him the job? No need for a 3rd interview if you’re the only candidate.

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Received a PR email today that Wink Martindale is now the betting favorite to be next head coach of #Colts. I'm not a gambler. I don't know if that's the case most places. But that would be a big loss for #Giants and a big gain for Indy.

It may be a perfect storm situation.

Wink may look past the issues that the team may have with Irsay.

Could be a mistake. But, it may be his last shot.

In comment 16024216 mfjmfj said:

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In comment 16024128 BlackLight said: Quote: In comment 16024123 Producer said: Quote: a definite article (the) and an indefinite article (a/an). Normally, yes - but, and not to get pedantic - "a" frontrunner, by definition, has to be "the" frontrunner. As there is only leader in any race between individual entities. We should convene a symposium on this topic, I think. I hate to agree with Producer. However, while frontrunner by definition implies a definite article, the use of the indefinite article implies more than one. This is a pretty common practice in English grammar. Hopefully, this obviates the need for a symposium.

You hate to agree with me? My command of the language is as good as anyone's on this board, and it's been a big part of my 35+ year career. Likewise, understanding cultural cues. You are letting a pack of sour grapes howlers color your judgment of my posts, which are clear, consistent and logical, whether you agree with my perspective or not. I grow tired of the groupthink here.

Anyway, you're correct here. I'm obviously right about the use of articles in this instance.

In comment 16024128 BlackLight said:

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In comment 16024123 Producer said: Quote: a definite article (the) and an indefinite article (a/an). Normally, yes - but, and not to get pedantic - "a" frontrunner, by definition, has to be "the" frontrunner. As there is only leader in any race between individual entities. We should convene a symposium on this topic, I think.

You are welcome to think you are being pedantic, but you're also wrong. There can be a group of frontrunners, as in more than one, therefore "a" frontrunner has a different meaning than "the" frontrunner. Furthermore, if there was only one frontrunner, "a" would be logically incorrect.

should offer more money to keep Wink as Defensive coach. Step up before he is offered the job.

In comment 16024324 mdthedream said:

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should offer more money to keep Wink as Defensive coach. Step up before he is offered the job.

If he wants to be a head coach he wants to be a head coach. This might be his last chance. He is completely the opposite of the trend for young offensive minds.

I personally think Steichen is getting the job who’s interviewing today. The Colts ultimately need to draft and develop a QB.

If Wink is offered the Colts HC, he's taking it. He's been on the record about how he wants to be the top dog & the dude isn't exactly a pup in terms of age. This might be his one shot. Again, it'd suck to lose him, but I'd wish him well.

Steichen is a long distance stalking horse.

In comment 16024134 Bruner4329 said:

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Leonard. The guy is a troll and this goes back to his days covering the Rangers. Also I thought it had been well known that Wink highly recommended Drew Wilkins when the Giants were hiring last year and basically said if you don't hire me then you still should bring in this guy regardless. If he does go my bet is they stay internal.

I pay NO attention to Pat Leonard.. NONE.. He is a hack and a total shill. I called him out Twitter on something he wrote, he tried to come back at me telling me I was wrong. and then I provided the exact article with his quote..

Then he blocked me... He is a crap journalist and I would tell him that to his face.

In comment 16024324 mdthedream said:

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should offer more money to keep Wink as Defensive coach. Step up before he is offered the job.

Money isnt the issue.. He has a desire to be a head coach.

what I've seen out there, there is just as much speculation - if not more - that this is either (1) a dog and pony show designed to make them look like they did an exhaustive search before hiring Saturday, or (2) they are waiting on the Eagles OC.

So it may be Wink, but he's not THE guy according to many.

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In comment 16024324 mdthedream said: Quote: should offer more money to keep Wink as Defensive coach. Step up before he is offered the job. Money isnt the issue.. He has a desire to be a head coach.

And he literally said he took the giants DC job because he thought it gave him the best chance to get a head coaching job.

In comment 16024372 Sammo85 said:

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Steichen is a long distance stalking horse.

Is this inside dope or your opinion?