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Brandon Aiyuk gives NY Giants fans hope with his latest

RELICDOA : 2/4/2023 11:17 am
Instagram activity. “If his latest Instagram activity is any indication, it sure looks like the young wideout would be open to packing his bags and leaving the California sunshine”
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one of the big  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/4/2023 11:21 am : link
upsides to Brian Daboll is he has created a players' environment, right down to promoting guys from the PS simply so they can get paid more.
im an aiyuk fan and i think he's more realistic than higgins  
Eric on Li : 2/4/2023 11:28 am : link
because at one point last year he was in the doghouse to the point where they were considering shopping him.

there could be another team out there who offers more for him but i would think the niners will prefer to trade him vs extend him given the amounts they already have committed to deebo, kittle, cmc and they already have some decent young guys behind him (jennings, gray, mccloud specifically).

he mixes in outside (75%) and inside at the slot (25%) which is something this regime prioritizes. his situation is pretty similar to diggs when he was in minny.
RE: im an aiyuk fan and i think he's more realistic than higgins  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/4/2023 11:32 am : link
In comment 16024421 Eric on Li said:
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because at one point last year he was in the doghouse to the point where they were considering shopping him.

there could be another team out there who offers more for him but i would think the niners will prefer to trade him vs extend him given the amounts they already have committed to deebo, kittle, cmc and they already have some decent young guys behind him (jennings, gray, mccloud specifically).

he mixes in outside (75%) and inside at the slot (25%) which is something this regime prioritizes. his situation is pretty similar to diggs when he was in minny.


Just how good do you think Aiyuk could be in Daboll’s offense? Low-mid tier #1, elite #1?
getting a WR like him via FA  
AG5686 : 2/4/2023 11:33 am : link
makes alot of sense,and it helps us as we move closer to draft day...
here's a simple extrapolation - last year he had 112 targets  
Eric on Li : 2/4/2023 11:41 am : link
with those he produced:

78 receptions (70% catch rate)
1k yards (13 ypc)
8 touchdowns

for his career he's averaged a 67% catch rate and 13.3 ypc, so those numbers were pretty normal.

scale him up to 140 targets at the same ypc and you get:

98 receptions / 1300 yards.

he has 20 touchdowns in about 200 career touches, so you'd expect about 10 tds with 100 touches.

over his career he's also been fairly efficient with a decent contested catch% (23/59 for 39%) and a league average drop rate 6%.

nextgen stats wide receiver tracking metrics have him as a top 10 wide receiver so all of this added together seems a pretty decent baseline for him if he gets more volume in a featured role.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nfl-receiver-rankings/ - ( New Window )
Players also so the success the "no-name" Giants WRs  
Giantimistic : 2/4/2023 11:43 am : link
had with Daboll and probably feel that they could put up huge numbers in his offense.
RE: getting a WR like him via FA  
Eric on Li : 2/4/2023 11:45 am : link
In comment 16024424 AG5686 said:
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makes alot of sense,and it helps us as we move closer to draft day...


he'd be a trade with 2 years of control remaining (this year at 4m and his 5yo) so he would almost definitely require the first round pick and maybe more. a first this year and a conditional pick next year (maybe a day 3 that turns into a day 2 if he makes the pro bowl or something like that) would make some sense.

the bears gave up pick #32 for chase freaking claypool who was drafted same year as aiyuk so the aiyuk market is going to be expensive. the 49ers drafted him with the 25th pick so getting the 25th pick back plus a little something has some symmetry.
Much prefer him to Higgins  
UConn4523 : 2/4/2023 11:45 am : link
there should be a sizable price difference between the two and I feel like Aiyuk is exactly the kind of player that would thrive under Daboll.
Aiyuk is really good and is capable of being a #1  
Producer : 2/4/2023 11:46 am : link
Doesn't mean he won't have warts when he has the full load and pressure. But most do.

A lot depends on Jones forming a reliable, productive connection with him.

For what it's worth I think Aiyuk is a better fit for Jones than Tee Higgins..
But he's gong to cost a 1st  
Producer : 2/4/2023 11:47 am : link
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BleedBlue : 2/4/2023 11:51 am : link
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Eh not necessarily…

Even still, he is a proven WR and at 25 we are getting a chance for one
RE: Much prefer him to Higgins  
Eric on Li : 2/4/2023 11:52 am : link
In comment 16024438 UConn4523 said:
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there should be a sizable price difference between the two and I feel like Aiyuk is exactly the kind of player that would thrive under Daboll.


idk if the price is going to be that different and if so i think aiyuk may be more expensive. higgins only has 1 year left on his deal and no 5YO since he was a 2nd round pick.

he has back to back 75 reception/1k yard seasons, but aiyuk has done the same thing.

if both were on the market i think their prices would be very comparable but aiyuk probably a little more valuable since he has the 5YO which gives his team 1 extra year of control.
Eric from LI  
AG5686 : 2/4/2023 11:54 am : link
I would trade our #1 pick for him-without hesitation
RE: here's a simple extrapolation - last year he had 112 targets  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/4/2023 11:55 am : link
In comment 16024432 Eric on Li said:
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with those he produced:

78 receptions (70% catch rate)
1k yards (13 ypc)
8 touchdowns

for his career he's averaged a 67% catch rate and 13.3 ypc, so those numbers were pretty normal.

scale him up to 140 targets at the same ypc and you get:

98 receptions / 1300 yards.

he has 20 touchdowns in about 200 career touches, so you'd expect about 10 tds with 100 touches.

over his career he's also been fairly efficient with a decent contested catch% (23/59 for 39%) and a league average drop rate 6%.

nextgen stats wide receiver tracking metrics have him as a top 10 wide receiver so all of this added together seems a pretty decent baseline for him if he gets more volume in a featured role. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nfl-receiver-rankings/ - ( New Window )


Appreciate the analysis. I can see this as being a reasonable expectation for him . I think this offense is a potential good fit for his skillset and as you mention he will see an uptick of targets. Based on that information good chance the floor would at least be a solid #1 with the high end approaching a high end top wideout.
Expect for two things  
blueblood : 2/4/2023 12:01 pm : link
He has no say in where he goes.

He is cost controlled for at least two more years.

RE: RE: But he's gong to cost a 1st  
Producer : 2/4/2023 12:01 pm : link
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Eh not necessarily…

Even still, he is a proven WR and at 25 we are getting a chance for one


I think he's worth a late first, for sure. Whether we should do it is another question. I lean yes.
It’s a no for me  
Sammo85 : 2/4/2023 12:03 pm : link
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Eric, definitely on the contract difference  
UConn4523 : 2/4/2023 12:10 pm : link
but I don’t see any way that Aiyuk would command more money in FA. That big outside WR is still coveted.
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CornerStone246+17 : 2/4/2023 12:12 pm : link
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Eh not necessarily…

Even still, he is a proven WR and at 25 we are getting a chance for one



I think he's worth a late first, for sure. Whether we should do it is another question. I lean yes.


Another thing to consider. How often have the Giants traded their 1st round pick? I think the last time was Eli and not sure of a time before that. This organization seems to value their #1s very highly.

The guy that could give you #1 production albeit more risk and a higher contract without giving up a #1 is Hopkins.

Not saying this is my preferred route but if they don't want to give up a #1 the options will be less.
Perfect fit here  
larryflower37 : 2/4/2023 12:15 pm : link
Can take everything to the house plus big and strong over the middle.
I just wonder if the Giants are ready to open the bank for WR.
Giving up the 25th pick for a proven NFL WR  
Rjanyg : 2/4/2023 12:25 pm : link
With 2 years of control is a good situation.

I would still look at wideout on Day 2.
RE: Expect for two things  
k2tampa : 2/4/2023 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16024455 blueblood said:
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He has no say in where he goes.

He is cost controlled for at least two more years.


You forgot the biggest issue. San Fran doesn't have to trade him. They are expected to have the 10th most cap space.
Is there any way  
UGADawgs7 : 2/4/2023 12:45 pm : link
NYG can give up next years 1 and maybe this years comp Toney pick, instead of this years 25th pick? I do know next years pick could be higher as there’s 0 guarantee the team will be better or win in playoffs (no idea how the roster will be constructed.) Would definitely rather get Aiyuk to Higgins since $ is a lot better than what Huggins will get. I do like taller WR in general though and the NYG don’t have any and that’s where Higgins being 6’4 helps a lot more but draft + actual cost won’t be worth it.
Would love to get Aiyuk - but I would want to keep the first  
PatersonPlank : 2/4/2023 12:58 pm : link
If we could do that it would be ideal, we could draft a CB/ILB/OG
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Producer : 2/4/2023 1:02 pm : link
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Eh not necessarily…

Even still, he is a proven WR and at 25 we are getting a chance for one



I think he's worth a late first, for sure. Whether we should do it is another question. I lean yes.



Another thing to consider. How often have the Giants traded their 1st round pick? I think the last time was Eli and not sure of a time before that. This organization seems to value their #1s very highly.

The guy that could give you #1 production albeit more risk and a higher contract without giving up a #1 is Hopkins.

Not saying this is my preferred route but if they don't want to give up a #1 the options will be less.


I don't mind adding Hopkins at the right price. He's got something left.
Another vet WR that is a bad idea  
BillT : 2/4/2023 1:03 pm : link
We are not one player away and using high value, cost controlled draft picks to acquire vets at or near their 2nd contracts is a bad idea unless you are a fan of Dave Gettleman's cap management skills.
RE: Eric, definitely on the contract difference  
Eric on Li : 2/4/2023 1:05 pm : link
In comment 16024465 UConn4523 said:
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but I don’t see any way that Aiyuk would command more money in FA. That big outside WR is still coveted.


Higgins would need an immediate extension since he's entering his final year but Aiyuk wouldn't. You'd pick up the 5yo and probably play out the 4th year, then revisit extension either in-season or ahead of the 5yo.

you're basically trading for a guy with 2 reasonable years left + 2 option years (tag).

aiyuk is in a comparable situation to hollywood brown last year, who got traded for a mid round first but hasn't extended yet. higgins is more like AJB who only had 1 year left and immediately got a 100m contract with 56m guaranteed.
Niners also have 3 or 4 3rd rd picks  
Payasdaddy : 2/4/2023 1:20 pm : link
So if the giants send #25, could get back a 3 too
Would give them 4 picks between 52-100 area
Enough to grab cb, IOL, ILB and dline.
Along with aiyuk and maybe another FA signing (IOL, run stuffer DT or another ILB) and team looks decent.
He’d be a good get  
Rudy5757 : 2/4/2023 1:23 pm : link
But I wouldn’t give up a 1st rounder for him. We need multiple players and giving up a 1st for a guy that good not great is an issuer for me.. I’d rather take my chances on a draft pick for 5 years.

Some people are so quick to give up a 1st rounder. If you are giving a 1st it better be for great.
RE: RE: Eric, definitely on the contract difference  
UConn4523 : 2/4/2023 1:31 pm : link
In comment 16024497 Eric on Li said:
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but I don’t see any way that Aiyuk would command more money in FA. That big outside WR is still coveted.



Higgins would need an immediate extension since he's entering his final year but Aiyuk wouldn't. You'd pick up the 5yo and probably play out the 4th year, then revisit extension either in-season or ahead of the 5yo.

you're basically trading for a guy with 2 reasonable years left + 2 option years (tag).

aiyuk is in a comparable situation to hollywood brown last year, who got traded for a mid round first but hasn't extended yet. higgins is more like AJB who only had 1 year left and immediately got a 100m contract with 56m guaranteed.


I agree. I’m strictly talking both WRs as FAs (neither is, it’s just a hypothetical). I think there’d be a pretty good gap in pay between the two.
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Eric on Li : 2/4/2023 1:41 pm : link
In comment 16024521 UConn4523 said:
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but I don’t see any way that Aiyuk would command more money in FA. That big outside WR is still coveted.



Higgins would need an immediate extension since he's entering his final year but Aiyuk wouldn't. You'd pick up the 5yo and probably play out the 4th year, then revisit extension either in-season or ahead of the 5yo.

you're basically trading for a guy with 2 reasonable years left + 2 option years (tag).

aiyuk is in a comparable situation to hollywood brown last year, who got traded for a mid round first but hasn't extended yet. higgins is more like AJB who only had 1 year left and immediately got a 100m contract with 56m guaranteed.



I agree. I’m strictly talking both WRs as FAs (neither is, it’s just a hypothetical). I think there’d be a pretty good gap in pay between the two.


as hypothetical UFAs i think both get somewhere in between 20-25m. higgins is the more prototypical outside guy and downfield target. aiyuk is a little better fit for quick passing games and yac. both would come with a little more risk than AJB (25m aav) even though they have comparable stats since they've only ever been #2's but each would definitely get more than christian kirk's 18m aav. factoring rising cap and accelerating cost of wrs i think both would get close to or more than ajb on open market.
I think he's got the highest upside  
AcesUp : 2/4/2023 1:42 pm : link
Of the speculated premium trade targets. It's a big swing though.
What Do Giants Forego Giving Their First Rd Pick  
JoeDonLooney : 2/4/2023 2:06 pm : link
I like the guy but what is the draft strategy of the Giants? Is it necessarily a WR in Round 1? What if their highest priority is CB?

I would give up a 2nd Round and the Toney compensatory pick in the 3rd round for Brandon Aiyuk. There are just too many needs to give up a number 1 pick for him.
Just draft 1 or 2 of them.  
Big Blue '56 : 2/4/2023 2:08 pm : link
I’m not for wasting a draft pick or two..Keep building through the draft and lesser tier FAs to add depth
Almost 4M cap hit  
Joe Beckwith : 2/4/2023 2:20 pm : link
Almost 4 M dead cap to SF in ‘23.
What’s the , likely, 3rd/4th best WR at #25 bring, and going to cost with 4 years of control?
Interested dilemma if JS is considering it?
Hope our scouts did a major good evaluation job on the ‘23 draft class
RE: Just draft 1 or 2 of them.  
BillT : 2/4/2023 2:35 pm : link
In comment 16024541 Big Blue '56 said:
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I’m not for wasting a draft pick or two..Keep building through the draft and lesser tier FAs to add depth

Thank you.
If I had my choice...  
Capt. Don : 2/4/2023 2:39 pm : link
I would rather Aiyuk than Higgins.

I think neither happens but it is fun to think about.
RE: im an aiyuk fan and i think he's more realistic than higgins  
SomeFan : 2/4/2023 3:13 pm : link
In comment 16024421 Eric on Li said:
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because at one point last year he was in the doghouse to the point where they were considering shopping him.

there could be another team out there who offers more for him but i would think the niners will prefer to trade him vs extend him given the amounts they already have committed to deebo, kittle, cmc and they already have some decent young guys behind him (jennings, gray, mccloud specifically).

he mixes in outside (75%) and inside at the slot (25%) which is something this regime prioritizes. his situation is pretty similar to diggs when he was in minny.
what was he in the doghouse for?
RE: RE: im an aiyuk fan and i think he's more realistic than higgins  
Eric on Li : 2/4/2023 3:51 pm : link
In comment 16024581 SomeFan said:
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because at one point last year he was in the doghouse to the point where they were considering shopping him.

there could be another team out there who offers more for him but i would think the niners will prefer to trade him vs extend him given the amounts they already have committed to deebo, kittle, cmc and they already have some decent young guys behind him (jennings, gray, mccloud specifically).

he mixes in outside (75%) and inside at the slot (25%) which is something this regime prioritizes. his situation is pretty similar to diggs when he was in minny.

what was he in the doghouse for?


nobody quite knew and shanahan denied it but last year in the first 2 games they only played him about 50% snaps and gave him just 2 targets. he started playing more snaps but in total he had 9 receptions for 75 yards through 6 games which was right around the trade deadline and led to some toney-esque rumors.

from week 7 on he played 90% snaps and caught 45 balls for like 700 yards, which lined up with them needing him more because deebo and kittle had injuries. and then obviously this year he kept up that breakout pace.
Kyle Shanahan: Brandon Aiyuk not in 49ers' doghouse after limited role in Week 1 - ( New Window )
You guys saying Aiyuk over Higgins are nuts  
GiantTuff1 : 2/4/2023 6:01 pm : link
Higgins has size that you can't teach. He can be a legit matchup problem. Contracts aside, just sizing up players -- I take Higgins.

I like Aiyuk, but I don't see him as a true X receiver or no. 1... To me he's an improved version of our very own Richie James. I think his upside is a high end #2, with occasional higher end flashes, pretty much exactly what he is right now to Deebo.

Higgins gives me Burress vibes. Plaxico played second fiddle in Pittsburgh as well just like Higgins to Chase, but when Plax was given a true no. 1 role in NY, he stepped up to the challenge. I think Higgins can do it too.
RE: You guys saying Aiyuk over Higgins are nuts  
Eric on Li : 2/4/2023 6:07 pm : link
In comment 16024681 GiantTuff1 said:
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Higgins has size that you can't teach. He can be a legit matchup problem. Contracts aside, just sizing up players -- I take Higgins.

I like Aiyuk, but I don't see him as a true X receiver or no. 1... To me he's an improved version of our very own Richie James. I think his upside is a high end #2, with occasional higher end flashes, pretty much exactly what he is right now to Deebo.

Higgins gives me Burress vibes. Plaxico played second fiddle in Pittsburgh as well just like Higgins to Chase, but when Plax was given a true no. 1 role in NY, he stepped up to the challenge. I think Higgins can do it too.


we get nostalgic about plax but he had a 50% catch rate as a giant. he was a good big play guy and took over some games like a true #1 but he was also more inconsistent than a real #1. both cruz/nicks were better.

i think the nyg fo would be happy to add aiyuk or higgins. they both fit. a better more explosive version of richie james sounds great to me considering the season they just got out of richie james. as does a better version of isaiah hodgins.
I would not pay big for a wide receiver in  
St. Jimmy : 2/4/2023 7:25 pm : link
free agency. They made chicken salad this year. Improve that position through the draft and lower level free agents.
RE: Just draft 1 or 2 of them.  
Scuzzlebutt : 2/4/2023 8:49 pm : link
In comment 16024541 Big Blue '56 said:
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I’m not for wasting a draft pick or two..Keep building through the draft and lesser tier FAs to add depth


+1 we are not one player away. Build through the draft. We need to establish a pipeline of talent before we can swing for the fences.
Not interested in trading #25 for a WR  
illmatic : 2/4/2023 9:45 pm : link
He’ll probably be getting a big payday in two years and I’d rather just use 25 to swing for the fences and see if they can get someone even better than Aiyuk. I trust this front office so far but I don’t think this is the guy to be forced into a situation of potentially giving a big contract to. Especially after Jones, Barkley, Dex, etc.
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