If we lose Wink

But I bet he'd follow Wink wherever he goes

In comment 16024673 Anakim said:

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But I bet he'd follow Wink wherever he goes

Not so sure. Being a DC is a pretty big career move

he’s been with Wink awhile and is highly regarded. My guess is he’s next up, unless he’s not suited for an expanded leadership role.

Could follow Wink and be his DC, but to me, like Kafka, he should get away from the top guy and show the league what you're capable of. Kafka left Reid and showed he can handle responsibilities.

I think the Colts go for the Eagles OC anyway but we'll see.

In comment 16024676 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 16024673 Anakim said: Quote: But I bet he'd follow Wink wherever he goes Not so sure. Being a DC is a pretty big career move

He would be Winks DC unless he wanted to stay with the Giants in that role. Not sure what his contract is with the Giants.

unless it is for a head coaching position. So unless his contract is up, which I doubt, they can keep and promote Wilkins if they wish.

In comment 16024686 Giantimistic said:

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In comment 16024676 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 16024673 Anakim said: Quote: But I bet he'd follow Wink wherever he goes Not so sure. Being a DC is a pretty big career move He would be Winks DC unless he wanted to stay with the Giants in that role. Not sure what his contract is with the Giants.

Sheesh, of course,

I am sure he, Wink, and the Giants are all on the same page about what happens if Wink gets a head job somewhere. If Wink does get hired as a head coach and takes Wilkins with him, the first candidates I would look at to replace him include Steve Wilks, Ejiro Evero, and Sean Desai.

In comment 16024706 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:

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unless it is for a head coaching position. So unless his contract is up, which I doubt, they can keep and promote Wilkins if they wish.

I don't see how Wilkins would be obligated to accept a promotion with the Giants. He should be able to sign on with Wink as DC as far as I can see.

I will be good with it
Want wink here but what I really want is a similar mindset
Reason I like guys like him and liked Spags when he was here.
No Rod rust or Patrick Graham types. Bettcher either ( what happens to him)?

In comment 16024731 Payasdaddy said:

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I will be good with it Want wink here but what I really want is a similar mindset Reason I like guys like him and liked Spags when he was here. No Rod rust or Patrick Graham types. Bettcher either ( what happens to him)?

Bettcher was the worst dc I’ve ever seen. And I am old

In comment 16024706 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:

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unless it is for a head coaching position. So unless his contract is up, which I doubt, they can keep and promote Wilkins if they wish.

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Wilkins has been with Wink for a long time. I think Wink would be able to choose his own DC and I don’t think he would need to interview Wilkins.
If Wilkins wanted to leave for any position with the Colts instead of staying with the Giants, I don’t think they would stop him. The Giants don’t need an unhappy DC.

In comment 16024724 Mike in NY said:

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I am sure he, Wink, and the Giants are all on the same page about what happens if Wink gets a head job somewhere. If Wink does get hired as a head coach and takes Wilkins with him, the first candidates I would look at to replace him include Steve Wilks, Ejiro Evero, and Sean Desai.

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With all of Daboll’s coaching stops, I’m sure he has some candidates. Check out his connections. Boyer didn’t do a bad job with Miami once they got him the players. His problem with Miami this year was mostly injuries.

In comment 16024737 Ivan15 said:

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In comment 16024706 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said: Quote: unless it is for a head coaching position. So unless his contract is up, which I doubt, they can keep and promote Wilkins if they wish. _______________________ Wilkins has been with Wink for a long time. I think Wink would be able to choose his own DC and I don’t think he would need to interview Wilkins. If Wilkins wanted to leave for any position with the Colts instead of staying with the Giants, I don’t think they would stop him. The Giants don’t need an unhappy DC.

I thought the ‘you can’t stop a promotion’ was across the NFL coaching staff spectrum?

In comment 16024749 Joe Beckwith said:

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In comment 16024737 Ivan15 said: Quote: In comment 16024706 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said: Quote: unless it is for a head coaching position. So unless his contract is up, which I doubt, they can keep and promote Wilkins if they wish. _______________________ Wilkins has been with Wink for a long time. I think Wink would be able to choose his own DC and I don’t think he would need to interview Wilkins. If Wilkins wanted to leave for any position with the Colts instead of staying with the Giants, I don’t think they would stop him. The Giants don’t need an unhappy DC. I thought the ‘you can’t stop a promotion’ was across the NFL coaching staff spectrum?

There are only two levels, Assistant Coach and Head Coach. You always have to ask permission if a coach is under contract, but anything short of Head Coach permission can be denied. Also, to the other poster who said look who Daboll has ties to, that was not how they built the staff this year.

Coordinator. I’m sure there have been discussions regarding taking coaches from this staff with them. Succession plans etc.

him a really big deal?

In comment 16024811 Jack Stroud said:

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him a really big deal?

p.s. the Giants defense was ranked 25th!

In comment 16024814 Jack Stroud said:

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In comment 16024811 Jack Stroud said: Quote: him a really big deal? p.s. the Giants defense was ranked 25th!

Did you watch any games this year or just pull up bullshit ESPN stats?

In comment 16024734 Wiggy said:

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In comment 16024731 Payasdaddy said: Quote: I will be good with it Want wink here but what I really want is a similar mindset Reason I like guys like him and liked Spags when he was here. No Rod rust or Patrick Graham types. Bettcher either ( what happens to him)? Bettcher was the worst dc I’ve ever seen. And I am old

Worse than Bill Sheridan?

In the league last year. Can't suck that bad

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In comment 16024734 Wiggy said: Quote: In comment 16024731 Payasdaddy said: Quote: I will be good with it Want wink here but what I really want is a similar mindset Reason I like guys like him and liked Spags when he was here. No Rod rust or Patrick Graham types. Bettcher either ( what happens to him)? Bettcher was the worst dc I’ve ever seen. And I am old Worse than Bill Sheridan?

Or Rod Rust?

would suck obviously. Because what makes him a bit of unicorn is his unconventional commitment to the blitz from every level. He drops DT's back in coverage at the first level, drops edge rushers back in coverage, uses safeties to blitz and corners. He is all about pressure from places you don't expect which is awesome in my view and not the paradigm of todays DC's. I have no clue if there are disciples of his that would work if he leaves but that is what I would hunt. The Martindale/Spagnuolo types to me are far more appealing than the Bettcher types. I hated the full time prevent D bend but dont break. Just assured we lose the time of possession battle and without a high powered offense was a recipe for losses IMO.

In comment 16024814 Jack Stroud said:

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In comment 16024811 Jack Stroud said: Quote: him a really big deal? p.s. the Giants defense was ranked 25th!

As usual, stats are the enemy of watching games and thinking. We had subpar talent and a ton of injuries. Wink figured out ways to get the most of what was out there. Easy way to judge defensive coaching. If wide receivers are open by a couple of feet that is usually talent difference. If wide receivers are open by 5 yards that is coaching. The latter happens occasionally to every team. There was so much less of it this year than in any recent year. It was a relief.

In comment 16024814 Jack Stroud said:

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In comment 16024811 Jack Stroud said: Quote: him a really big deal? p.s. the Giants defense was ranked 25th!

Don’t talk to me about rankings. Winks defense was the first defense we have had in a decade that could consistently hold onto a 4th quarter lead to win the game. Graham’s defense never did that… and Graham was better than Betcher.

Is he irreplaceable?! Not sure about that though. Wilkens, if he remained would be a good replacement as you’d be getting the same Defense IMO. I wouldn’t want Henderson as the DC and not sure there’s anyone else on the staff right now either. I guess we’d have to rely on Dabs and Schoen’s instincts with hiring another DC. He did assemble a pretty damn good staff and so I guess you’d have to rely on his ability to do the same with hiring an DC.

We can't control the hiring process outcome; the fact that it is likely diminishing Wink's focus from the draft, and complementary to that, the vetting with Schoen on players to be drafted, is less than desirable.

In comment 16024814 Jack Stroud said:

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In comment 16024811 Jack Stroud said: Quote: him a really big deal? p.s. the Giants defense was ranked 25th!

a lot of your stat is based on the last part of the season - after the bye when Jackson and McKinney were injured. There is no way the Giants have a winning record without Wink at the helm this past year. Before the bye the Giants defense was in the top 10.

In comment 16025050 ColHowPepper said:

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We can't control the hiring process outcome; the fact that it is likely diminishing Wink's focus from the draft, and complementary to that, the vetting with Schoen on players to be drafted, is less than desirable.

Maybe Wink is a bit distracted, but he's still keeping a close eye on the draft. Wherever he goes, he'll need to know what players he wants.

In comment 16025651 CT Charlie said:

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In comment 16025050 ColHowPepper said: Quote: We can't control the hiring process outcome; the fact that it is likely diminishing Wink's focus from the draft, and complementary to that, the vetting with Schoen on players to be drafted, is less than desirable. Maybe Wink is a bit distracted, but he's still keeping a close eye on the draft. Wherever he goes, he'll need to know what players he wants.

I have no reason to disparage Wink, but it is possible he's keeping his thoughts a little close to the vest until he knows where he's gonna end up

In comment 16024673 Anakim said:

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But I bet he'd follow Wink wherever he goes

Jerome Henderson

In comment 16024673 Anakim said:

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But I bet he'd follow Wink wherever he goes

Jerome Henderson

Tried some new recipes lately and it went well. I made the lamb breast I'd been talking about. Took Drew's advice and smoked it. They came 2 in a pack, and only totaled 2.7 pounds and ended up cooking a lot faster than I thought. After a bit over 2 hours at 225 degrees, they were up to about 190, about 40 degrees higher than I wanted. Fortunately, the meat is so fatty that they still ate well. After slicing the ribs apart to serve, I went back later and there was so much congealed fat on my cutting board that my cleaver was stuck in it. But fat is flavor :) They had a thin layer of meat on the surface, but a fat layer underneath that wasn't edible. With that removed, it was just a good, lamb flavored rib. At $2.99 pp I'd definitely buy them again. Other recipes involved braising, but I think they're just too fatty for that.
For any other eggplant fans, I made one Involtini. It's softened eggplant slices rolled with a ricotta filling and finished in a tomato sauce. Excellent
Made my dtr Chicken Vesuvio-basically tray/roasting pan roasted chicken and potatoes with a garlic sauce- used 28 garlic cloves.
Tonight I'm making a favorite, chicken tikka masala. Then I've got friends over for cards- they supply us with lemons from their tree, so I made lemon curd yesterday, which I'll just serve in a ramekin with whipped cream. Lemon curd is also great as a pastry filling, if you're so inclined.
What about you guys. What was good lately?

In comment 16026368 Bill in UT said:

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Tried some new recipes lately and it went well. I made the lamb breast I'd been talking about. Took Drew's advice and smoked it. They came 2 in a pack, and only totaled 2.7 pounds and ended up cooking a lot faster than I thought. After a bit over 2 hours at 225 degrees, they were up to about 190, about 40 degrees higher than I wanted. Fortunately, the meat is so fatty that they still ate well. After slicing the ribs apart to serve, I went back later and there was so much congealed fat on my cutting board that my cleaver was stuck in it. But fat is flavor :) They had a thin layer of meat on the surface, but a fat layer underneath that wasn't edible. With that removed, it was just a good, lamb flavored rib. At $2.99 pp I'd definitely buy them again. Other recipes involved braising, but I think they're just too fatty for that. For any other eggplant fans, I made one Involtini. It's softened eggplant slices rolled with a ricotta filling and finished in a tomato sauce. Excellent Made my dtr Chicken Vesuvio-basically tray/roasting pan roasted chicken and potatoes with a garlic sauce- used 28 garlic cloves. Tonight I'm making a favorite, chicken tikka masala. Then I've got friends over for cards- they supply us with lemons from their tree, so I made lemon curd yesterday, which I'll just serve in a ramekin with whipped cream. Lemon curd is also great as a pastry filling, if you're so inclined. What about you guys. What was good lately?

Sorry, entered in the wrong place.

Interesting. Could mean something accoriding to Stapleton as Bradley is likely not the type of DC Wink would retain.

Art Stapleton
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An interesting point when weighing Wink Martindale's candidacy: can't imagine Wink getting the HC job and keeping Bradley, so if the Colts are going down this avenue, this could be a sign that he might not be their guy.

Maybe, maybe not. Worth noting.
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Believe @AlbertBreer mentioned in his MMQB column that Colts have blocked teams from interviewing Gus Bradley for their DC position. That's b/c several of the head-coaching candidates (as many as 4) have told Colts' brass they intend to bring Bradley and his staff back to Indy.