Tbibs: guys you got to protect the paint, leave the open shooter and help on the guy driving to the hoop even though i specificially have a big in the game to block shots..
Oh and my center make sure you drop to give that shooter a nice clean look
let Rj play the entire quarter playing dogshit defense and and cant hit anything, yup keep playing him..Why? because you threw Cam away because you didnt like him?
And you cant adjust at all? they have Batum playing center, why is Hartenstein in the game? he is useless on the perimiter.
and you continue to have them over help and playing drop coverage compeltely leaving wide open 3s..
how is it that the guy who’s struggling badly from the field has played the most minutes and taken the most shots?
Thibs doesn't know how to ride the hot hand. That's why when Barrett was benched in the fourth quarter it made headlines. Thibs never benches Randle or RJ for extended periods of time. He'll ride them until they break down.
is he subs in units, he doesnt know how to stagger and rotate like every 5 minutes bring in a guy to keep the team fresh..
so by the end of the game you got players play 15 straight minutes..it doesnt matter how a player is playing, that player is playing the oredetermined minutes
and his inability to see that ISO ball is not what this team should be doing. When the game was in reach Randle missed a wide open layup and then turned the ball over on the next possession. The we were down 7 game over.
RE: Are we seriously going to blame this on Randle?
and his inability to see that ISO ball is not what this team should be doing. When the game was in reach Randle missed a wide open layup and then turned the ball over on the next possession. The we were down 7 game over.
So what did you want them to do? go to Rj? Hartenstein?
Brunson was being doubled on every possession..
Guve the Clippers and zlue credit, he adjusted going into the ot and took out Zubac, Thibs did not
RE: RE: Are we seriously going to blame this on Randle?
Thibs with his stupid rotations and substitutions; Barrett shooting like Jared Jeffries; Randle choking down the stretch. Maybe I'll just leave at the third quarter.
down the stretch is ISO Randle with his back to the basket 20 feet from the hoop. He has not adjusted despite having a dynamic point guard who can go anywhere he wants on the court with the ball. Fireable offense.
or the lineups or the lack of doing basic things like inbounding a basketball. Coach is awful and needs to go. The personnel is also a problem but a better coach would be getting more out of this group while at the same time not running guys into the ground with 40 minutes a night.
down the stretch is ISO Randle with his back to the basket 20 feet from the hoop. He has not adjusted despite having a dynamic point guard who can go anywhere he wants on the court with the ball. Fireable offense.
Look Thibs is not my favorite coach, but at the end of the 4th thats not what they did..
and in OT they were trying to get Batum off of Brunson but they were doubling so they dumped it to randle..
or the lineups or the lack of doing basic things like inbounding a basketball. Coach is awful and needs to go. The personnel is also a problem but a better coach would be getting more out of this group while at the same time not running guys into the ground with 40 minutes a night.
as soon as you see Batum in at center to start OT and you see how they are guarding Brunson, he should of went to Toppin or Quickley and moved Randle to the 5..
Spread the floor, so when they double, you either get a wide open 3 or a free lane to the hoop..
There is no reason to see Sims and Hartenstein take up all 48 minutes at center
Most things about this team are beyond frustrating.
I think this team would be better with Thibs, RJ, and Randle gone. Why sell Obi for pennies on the dollar but we continually watch Randle fuck up? Thibs should be fired for not having his players foul on that last possession in regulation. Why even let them get a shot off? Barrett was fuckin brutal tonight. The combination doesn't work. Something has to be done but Randle and Thibs cannot be that combo that stays. Thibs encourages Randle's bad habits.
What makes it so hard to believe that a coaching change wouldn't galvanize this team like it did with the Hawks a few years ago? Thibs is costing them game after game after game. This is a direct FUBAR situation with the coaching. He's horrendous.
Say they hired Quin Snyder (and I say Snyder because of the connection with Johnnie Bryant and Walt Perrin). Don't you think he would do a much job with usage of all of these players and actually get some wins out of this team?
This team has holes, yes. RJ is horrendous. Randle is not clutch. It's certainly not a perfect team and that's Leon Rose's fault (who should be on the hot seat), but this team would have a lot more wins in the W column if Thibs knew how to close games and manage his players' playing time better.
I think this team would be better with Thibs, RJ, and Randle gone. Why sell Obi for pennies on the dollar but we continually watch Randle fuck up? Thibs should be fired for not having his players foul on that last possession in regulation. Why even let them get a shot off? Barrett was fuckin brutal tonight. The combination doesn't work. Something has to be done but Randle and Thibs cannot be that combo that stays. Thibs encourages Randle's bad habits.
LOL. I find trading Obi and keeping Randle hilarious, too. That's just Lil' Jimmy doing everything he can to make the playoffs and Leon Rose trying to justify keeping his job.
Randle has legit value. If the Knicks wanted to, they could get a nice haul for him. Instead, let's trade Obi for an expiring contract like Malik Beasley and a backup big role player with no range in Vanderbilt. It's ridiculous.
What makes it so hard to believe that a coaching change wouldn't galvanize this team like it did with the Hawks a few years ago? Thibs is costing them game after game after game. This is a direct FUBAR situation with the coaching. He's horrendous.
Say they hired Quin Snyder (and I say Snyder because of the connection with Johnnie Bryant and Walt Perrin). Don't you think he would do a much job with usage of all of these players and actually get some wins out of this team?
This team has holes, yes. RJ is horrendous. Randle is not clutch. It's certainly not a perfect team and that's Leon Rose's fault (who should be on the hot seat), but this team would have a lot more wins in the W column if Thibs knew how to close games and manage his players' playing time better.
10000000% They should 5 or 6 more wins the way Randle and Brunson are playing
Barrett was -20, Randle -11, Sims -9. Brunson was -5 and everyone else was positive. Brunson was great tonight. But most games in the NBA are close late and we play stupid. Yes, that is coaching but Randle fails time and time again with bad shots and turnovers.
14-14 in games within 5 points with 5 minutes left
but its kind of funny to me, watching tonights game people are blaming Randle for losing late in the game..
Lets not mention he locked down Kawhi the last 5 minutes in the game to allow the Knicks back into the game..
Lets not mention how many great passes he made to open players in the 4th quarter..
Lets not mention the big stop and rebound he had at the end of the game up 1 with 30 seconds left..
Yes he missed a layup and turned the ball over in the ot, in a game he played 40 minutes and played his ass off and had to carry the team with Brunson..
Sorry he got tired in OT, no wonder nobody wants to play here
RE: RE: 14-14 in games within 5 points with 5 minutes left
His defense was always good. His D is horrendous this year. Every year he has made incremental progress on offense. This year he is brutal. All he seems to have is the ability to drive. He either gets passed his man for an easy layup or gets blocked. He is shooting like 31 or 32% from three. He has no mid range shot.
but its kind of funny to me, watching tonights game people are blaming Randle for losing late in the game..
Lets not mention he locked down Kawhi the last 5 minutes in the game to allow the Knicks back into the game..
Lets not mention how many great passes he made to open players in the 4th quarter..
Lets not mention the big stop and rebound he had at the end of the game up 1 with 30 seconds left..
Yes he missed a layup and turned the ball over in the ot, in a game he played 40 minutes and played his ass off and had to carry the team with Brunson..
Sorry he got tired in OT, no wonder nobody wants to play here
I'm not blaming him for the loss. I'm pointing out that hd needs to go imo. He's not a winning player. It's the same story with him. He's still arguing with refs. Why does he need an explanation like this is his first year in the NBA?
I said this during his breakout year with us. I wanted to trade him. We saw what happened in the playoffs. I wanted to move him. The next year he sucked. I was against the grain again saying to hold onto him and build his value back up. His value is not going to be higher. What is best for the Knicks? If that means selling Randle high then you do it. He's not playing second fiddle to anyone with Thibs here. We still see Randle taking last second shots with Thibs. We still see him iso late in games. When you get a star is Randle going to take a back seat? We keep expecting him to be something he isn't. It is time to move on.
This is not a .500 team but that’s where they will wind up barring a trade that moves the needle. The top three in the East are title contenders, but we should be pushing the Cavs, Heat and Nets (with KD hurt and Kyrie leaving) in that next tier.
I think this team would be better with Thibs, RJ, and Randle gone. Why sell Obi for pennies on the dollar but we continually watch Randle fuck up? Thibs should be fired for not having his players foul on that last possession in regulation. Why even let them get a shot off? Barrett was fuckin brutal tonight. The combination doesn't work. Something has to be done but Randle and Thibs cannot be that combo that stays. Thibs encourages Randle's bad habits.
His defense was always good. His D is horrendous this year. Every year he has made incremental progress on offense. This year he is brutal. All he seems to have is the ability to drive. He either gets passed his man for an easy layup or gets blocked. He is shooting like 31 or 32% from three. He has no mid range shot.
Maybe that hand injury he got from Doncic is throwing him off
His defense was always good. His D is horrendous this year. Every year he has made incremental progress on offense. This year he is brutal. All he seems to have is the ability to drive. He either gets passed his man for an easy layup or gets blocked. He is shooting like 31 or 32% from three. He has no mid range shot.
Maybe that hand injury he got from Doncic is throwing him off
Possibly but his shooting sucked before that as did his D.
More importantly imagine the ball moving with dummy Randle and RJ not there. Brunson has 3 years left to play with ball players. Please lord someone wake up and realize that RJ and Randle are the issue
but it’s an insult at this point to lump him in with RJ. Flaws and all, Randle has been a worthy All-Star selection twice in the past three seasons. I guess you can hold out hope RJ is a late bloomer like Randle was/is, but I don’t see it.
doesnt mean he has to be traded, there are a lot of very good players wbo arent clutch, there are a lot of all stars who arent clutch..Thats why Randle isnt a superstar..
If Randle was clutch this team would be a top 4 team in the east and we would be talking about adding a role player or 2 and lets see how far this team can go..
Team is still missing that number 1 guy, but that doesnt mean you have to trade one of your better players to do it..
Believe it or not, I'm going to tomorrow night's game. Our youngest is in town (he doesn't live in NY anymore) and he wants to go. Frustrating as the Knicks are (and I've stepped back somewhat from watching them), can't say no to that.
Knicks are 28-26
Markkanen is an all star. Way better than Porzingis and is a passer. Utah got 6-7 1st rounders for Gobert and Mitchell and the Knicks are going to build around Randle? what a joke
Oh and my center make sure you drop to give that shooter a nice clean look
You cant go big when the Clips go small, they are going to kill you from 3
Deservedly so...
Never going to happen with this coach, he is coaching this game and continues to go big and the Knicks will continue to get killed from 3
Too bad Reddish would be a good defensive matchup on kawhii
THIBS fucking sucks
10 cent head
And you cant adjust at all? they have Batum playing center, why is Hartenstein in the game? he is useless on the perimiter.
and you continue to have them over help and playing drop coverage compeltely leaving wide open 3s..
But i dont know why i expect you to ever adjust
10 cent head
or maybe it was because they put Kawhi on Brunson and doubled the second he toucbed the ball..
Randle did a good job finding wide open shooters
Because “he’s built for this,” or something.
Nice to see McBride hitting shots lately.
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Brunson/Quickley/Grimes/Randle/Toppin
Never going to happen with this coach, he is coaching this game and continues to go big and the Knicks will continue to get killed from 3
Sims and Hart have combined for 0 points in 3 quarters - something has to change
Thibs doesn't know how to ride the hot hand. That's why when Barrett was benched in the fourth quarter it made headlines. Thibs never benches Randle or RJ for extended periods of time. He'll ride them until they break down.
Randle did a good job finding wide open shooters
I'm talking about what was happening in beginning in the quarter with Brunson,and Randle just now
Because Thibs doesnt sub like a normal coach
so by the end of the game you got players play 15 straight minutes..it doesnt matter how a player is playing, that player is playing the oredetermined minutes
He cant be the 3rd guy..He has no off ball skills..
There is no reason for him to take this many shots playing next to Brunson and Randle
Pretty much every coach without good players is up shit’s creek.
Everything a foul now, but only on the Knicks
Yet you refuse to take out Hartenstein because you are stubborn..
Hartenstein shouldnt of even been on the court on that final possession..
Because for some reason Thjbs needed Hartenstein on the court
Barrett is trash
Randle is the worst clutch player in Knicks history
Thibs should be fired
Barrett is trash
Randle is the worst clutch player in Knicks history
Thibs should be fired
What did Randle do? lol
Blame? No. But he's not a clutch player. This has been proven time and time again. He's one of the worst players down the stretch.
So what did you want them to do? go to Rj? Hartenstein?
Brunson was being doubled on every possession..
Guve the Clippers and zlue credit, he adjusted going into the ot and took out Zubac, Thibs did not
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Blame? No. But he's not a clutch player. This has been proven time and time again. He's one of the worst players down the stretch.
Cant argue that, but you have to give him credit because he played great defense on Kawhi
It's like clockwork with this team. Garbage.
Look Thibs is not my favorite coach, but at the end of the 4th thats not what they did..
and in OT they were trying to get Batum off of Brunson but they were doubling so they dumped it to randle..
Gibe the Clippers credit they defended it well..
Clippers ran the same offense on the other end
The coach is dogshit when it comes to rotations
Thibs is just not a good in game coach..
Spread the floor, so when they double, you either get a wide open 3 or a free lane to the hoop..
There is no reason to see Sims and Hartenstein take up all 48 minutes at center
He cant play as the 3rd man, very rarely does he have a good game when Randle and Brunson play well
Say they hired Quin Snyder (and I say Snyder because of the connection with Johnnie Bryant and Walt Perrin). Don't you think he would do a much job with usage of all of these players and actually get some wins out of this team?
This team has holes, yes. RJ is horrendous. Randle is not clutch. It's certainly not a perfect team and that's Leon Rose's fault (who should be on the hot seat), but this team would have a lot more wins in the W column if Thibs knew how to close games and manage his players' playing time better.
Brunson 41 5 boards 7 assists on 14 of 19 shooting.
They were not the problem..
LOL. I find trading Obi and keeping Randle hilarious, too. That's just Lil' Jimmy doing everything he can to make the playoffs and Leon Rose trying to justify keeping his job.
Randle has legit value. If the Knicks wanted to, they could get a nice haul for him. Instead, let's trade Obi for an expiring contract like Malik Beasley and a backup big role player with no range in Vanderbilt. It's ridiculous.
Say they hired Quin Snyder (and I say Snyder because of the connection with Johnnie Bryant and Walt Perrin). Don't you think he would do a much job with usage of all of these players and actually get some wins out of this team?
This team has holes, yes. RJ is horrendous. Randle is not clutch. It's certainly not a perfect team and that's Leon Rose's fault (who should be on the hot seat), but this team would have a lot more wins in the W column if Thibs knew how to close games and manage his players' playing time better.
10000000% They should 5 or 6 more wins the way Randle and Brunson are playing
With Thibs at the helm? I doubt it. He's a bad head coach.
Lets not mention he locked down Kawhi the last 5 minutes in the game to allow the Knicks back into the game..
Lets not mention how many great passes he made to open players in the 4th quarter..
Lets not mention the big stop and rebound he had at the end of the game up 1 with 30 seconds left..
Yes he missed a layup and turned the ball over in the ot, in a game he played 40 minutes and played his ass off and had to carry the team with Brunson..
Sorry he got tired in OT, no wonder nobody wants to play here
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it sucks but if they had Brunson, Mitchell and Randle, Knicks would be a top 3 team in the east
With Thibs at the helm? I doubt it. He's a bad head coach.
True
Fire Thibs now. Hire Quin Snyder, Frank Vogel or a fucking trained chimp. Don't care who. Anyone would be better and it may just be temporary.
Fire Leon Rose, WWW, and the rest of the cronies at the end of the season. Move Heaven and Earth to get Masai Ujiri.
And then go forward with Ujiri at the helm.
Lets not mention he locked down Kawhi the last 5 minutes in the game to allow the Knicks back into the game..
Lets not mention how many great passes he made to open players in the 4th quarter..
Lets not mention the big stop and rebound he had at the end of the game up 1 with 30 seconds left..
Yes he missed a layup and turned the ball over in the ot, in a game he played 40 minutes and played his ass off and had to carry the team with Brunson..
Sorry he got tired in OT, no wonder nobody wants to play here
I'm not blaming him for the loss. I'm pointing out that hd needs to go imo. He's not a winning player. It's the same story with him. He's still arguing with refs. Why does he need an explanation like this is his first year in the NBA?
I said this during his breakout year with us. I wanted to trade him. We saw what happened in the playoffs. I wanted to move him. The next year he sucked. I was against the grain again saying to hold onto him and build his value back up. His value is not going to be higher. What is best for the Knicks? If that means selling Randle high then you do it. He's not playing second fiddle to anyone with Thibs here. We still see Randle taking last second shots with Thibs. We still see him iso late in games. When you get a star is Randle going to take a back seat? We keep expecting him to be something he isn't. It is time to move on.
Fire Thibs now. Hire Quin Snyder, Frank Vogel or a fucking trained chimp. Don't care who. Anyone would be better and it may just be temporary.
Fire Leon Rose, WWW, and the rest of the cronies at the end of the season. Move Heaven and Earth to get Masai Ujiri.
And then go forward with Ujiri at the helm.
OR they can move the actual problem with this team and get a player who actually fits with the starters or a star to slide into that spot?
Why are we trading Randle unless your getting a superstsr back?
Agreed. It is bad.
He's so bad. LOL. And he can't find a spot for Reddish?
Maybe that hand injury he got from Doncic is throwing him off
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His defense was always good. His D is horrendous this year. Every year he has made incremental progress on offense. This year he is brutal. All he seems to have is the ability to drive. He either gets passed his man for an easy layup or gets blocked. He is shooting like 31 or 32% from three. He has no mid range shot.
Maybe that hand injury he got from Doncic is throwing him off
Possibly but his shooting sucked before that as did his D.
You can't even say he's improved each year anymore. He hasn't. The defense is a big problem.
Maybe coming off the bench will help Rj, he can be agressive doesnt have to worry about deferring or playing off ball, just go score
starting lineup
Obi
quick
brunson
center of choice
Grimes
bet they win most games.
starting lineup
Obi
quick
brunson
center of choice
Grimes
bet they win most games.
So you think taking out 25 10 and 4, who is effecient and can carry the offense at times is better for the team?
I want to see more Obi, i want to see Obi play with randle more but this idea this team is better without Randle is laughable..
You think they win tonight if Obi plays over Randle?
If Randle was clutch this team would be a top 4 team in the east and we would be talking about adding a role player or 2 and lets see how far this team can go..
Team is still missing that number 1 guy, but that doesnt mean you have to trade one of your better players to do it..
Thanks ! Good times! Miserable cunts!
My sentiments exactly. Payback for Tyler Herro missing the three the other night I guess.
Believe it or not, I'm going to tomorrow night's game. Our youngest is in town (he doesn't live in NY anymore) and he wants to go. Frustrating as the Knicks are (and I've stepped back somewhat from watching them), can't say no to that.
Yup zero ball movement and to much iso, shoukd of swung the ball more so Rj could of gotten more wide open 3s.. what was he? 1 of 8?
Yup to much iso is why they lost, nevermind the fact that Randle and Brunson both had 7 assists
Markkanen is an all star. Way better than Porzingis and is a passer. Utah got 6-7 1st rounders for Gobert and Mitchell and the Knicks are going to build around Randle? what a joke