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Knickstape : 2/4/2023 7:10 pm
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Jesus christ Rj  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:33 pm : link
stop reaching
So glad Hartenstein is in this game  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:34 pm : link
dude had a layup and passed it
Oh, the refs costing the Knicks  
Anakim : 2/4/2023 9:34 pm : link
Where have I seen that before?
RE: Oh, the refs costing the Knicks  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:36 pm : link
In comment 16024816 Anakim said:
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Where have I seen that before?


Everything a foul now, but only on the Knicks
Fucking sucks that we couldn’t get that one stop we needed.  
bceagle05 : 2/4/2023 9:38 pm : link
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The refs do suck  
Anakim : 2/4/2023 9:38 pm : link
The crowd is right. But Thibs sucks even harder
Hey Thibs take fricken notes  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:38 pm : link
Lue adjusted took out Zubac, went small and now can switch on everything , so they dont have to help as much on Brunson..

Yet you refuse to take out Hartenstein because you are stubborn..

Hartenstein shouldnt of even been on the court on that final possession..
RE: Fucking sucks that we couldn’t get that one stop we needed.  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:38 pm : link
In comment 16024818 bceagle05 said:
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Because for some reason Thjbs needed Hartenstein on the court
Count this as another game  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:39 pm : link
Thibs got outcoached
Well, tonight only reinforces a few things:  
Anakim : 2/4/2023 9:40 pm : link
Brunson is money
Barrett is trash
Randle is the worst clutch player in Knicks history
Thibs should be fired
RE: Well, tonight only reinforces a few things:  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:40 pm : link
In comment 16024825 Anakim said:
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Brunson is money
Barrett is trash
Randle is the worst clutch player in Knicks history
Thibs should be fired


What did Randle do? lol
More end of game  
Chris L. : 2/4/2023 9:41 pm : link
Randle ISO missed shots and turnovers. And the definition of insantity is......
Are we seriously going to blame this on Randle?  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:42 pm : link
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Did...  
JohnG in Albany : 2/4/2023 9:43 pm : link
Clyde drop an F-bomb?
No blame it on the coach  
Chris L. : 2/4/2023 9:44 pm : link
and his inability to see that ISO ball is not what this team should be doing. When the game was in reach Randle missed a wide open layup and then turned the ball over on the next possession. The we were down 7 game over.
RE: Are we seriously going to blame this on Randle?  
Anakim : 2/4/2023 9:44 pm : link
In comment 16024828 nygiants16 said:
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Blame? No. But he's not a clutch player. This has been proven time and time again. He's one of the worst players down the stretch.
RE: No blame it on the coach  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:46 pm : link
In comment 16024831 Chris L. said:
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and his inability to see that ISO ball is not what this team should be doing. When the game was in reach Randle missed a wide open layup and then turned the ball over on the next possession. The we were down 7 game over.


So what did you want them to do? go to Rj? Hartenstein?

Brunson was being doubled on every possession..

Guve the Clippers and zlue credit, he adjusted going into the ot and took out Zubac, Thibs did not
RE: RE: Are we seriously going to blame this on Randle?  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:46 pm : link
In comment 16024832 Anakim said:
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In comment 16024828 nygiants16 said:


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Blame? No. But he's not a clutch player. This has been proven time and time again. He's one of the worst players down the stretch.


Cant argue that, but you have to give him credit because he played great defense on Kawhi
I have great tickets to the game tomorrow, but I don't feel like going  
Anakim : 2/4/2023 9:47 pm : link
Thibs with his stupid rotations and substitutions; Barrett shooting like Jared Jeffries; Randle choking down the stretch. Maybe I'll just leave at the third quarter.


It's like clockwork with this team. Garbage.
The stupid coach thinks the best offense  
Chris L. : 2/4/2023 9:47 pm : link
down the stretch is ISO Randle with his back to the basket 20 feet from the hoop. He has not adjusted despite having a dynamic point guard who can go anywhere he wants on the court with the ball. Fireable offense.
Thibs doesn't deserve him  
Anakim : 2/4/2023 9:48 pm : link
Brunson is 14/18 from the field and 7/9 from three for 41 points.


Is there a metaphysical rule that says the Knicks cannot win in OT?  
GeofromNJ : 2/4/2023 9:50 pm : link
Apparently so.
16....I won't even get into the substitutions  
Chris L. : 2/4/2023 9:50 pm : link
or the lineups or the lack of doing basic things like inbounding a basketball. Coach is awful and needs to go. The personnel is also a problem but a better coach would be getting more out of this group while at the same time not running guys into the ground with 40 minutes a night.
RE: The stupid coach thinks the best offense  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:51 pm : link
In comment 16024837 Chris L. said:
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down the stretch is ISO Randle with his back to the basket 20 feet from the hoop. He has not adjusted despite having a dynamic point guard who can go anywhere he wants on the court with the ball. Fireable offense.


Look Thibs is not my favorite coach, but at the end of the 4th thats not what they did..

and in OT they were trying to get Batum off of Brunson but they were doubling so they dumped it to randle..

Gibe the Clippers credit they defended it well..

Clippers ran the same offense on the other end
RE: 16....I won't even get into the substitutions  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:51 pm : link
In comment 16024842 Chris L. said:
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or the lineups or the lack of doing basic things like inbounding a basketball. Coach is awful and needs to go. The personnel is also a problem but a better coach would be getting more out of this group while at the same time not running guys into the ground with 40 minutes a night.


The coach is dogshit when it comes to rotations
The metaphysical rule is call Tom T.  
Chris L. : 2/4/2023 9:52 pm : link
he runs the wrong offense down the stretch of all tight games and it seriously injures the teams chances of being successful in tight games.
You got 2 all stars  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:53 pm : link
yes i am calling Brunson an all star and the team is only 2 games over 500..

Thibs is just not a good in game coach..
RJ stinks this year man.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/4/2023 9:54 pm : link
I just don't care that he's getting 20 points a night when he's so bad on defense and so inconsistent on 3s and won't stop chucking.
Just frustrating  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:56 pm : link
as soon as you see Batum in at center to start OT and you see how they are guarding Brunson, he should of went to Toppin or Quickley and moved Randle to the 5..

Spread the floor, so when they double, you either get a wide open 3 or a free lane to the hoop..

There is no reason to see Sims and Hartenstein take up all 48 minutes at center
Most things about this team are beyond frustrating.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/4/2023 9:56 pm : link
I think this team would be better with Thibs, RJ, and Randle gone. Why sell Obi for pennies on the dollar but we continually watch Randle fuck up? Thibs should be fired for not having his players foul on that last possession in regulation. Why even let them get a shot off? Barrett was fuckin brutal tonight. The combination doesn't work. Something has to be done but Randle and Thibs cannot be that combo that stays. Thibs encourages Randle's bad habits.
RE: RJ stinks this year man.  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:56 pm : link
In comment 16024847 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I just don't care that he's getting 20 points a night when he's so bad on defense and so inconsistent on 3s and won't stop chucking.


He cant play as the 3rd man, very rarely does he have a good game when Randle and Brunson play well
another gut punch  
bluefin : 2/4/2023 9:57 pm : link
it’s uncanny
I'll ask this again:  
Anakim : 2/4/2023 9:58 pm : link
What makes it so hard to believe that a coaching change wouldn't galvanize this team like it did with the Hawks a few years ago? Thibs is costing them game after game after game. This is a direct FUBAR situation with the coaching. He's horrendous.

Say they hired Quin Snyder (and I say Snyder because of the connection with Johnnie Bryant and Walt Perrin). Don't you think he would do a much job with usage of all of these players and actually get some wins out of this team?

This team has holes, yes. RJ is horrendous. Randle is not clutch. It's certainly not a perfect team and that's Leon Rose's fault (who should be on the hot seat), but this team would have a lot more wins in the W column if Thibs knew how to close games and manage his players' playing time better.
Randle and Brunson carried this team  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 9:59 pm : link
Randle 28 points 11 rebounds 7 assists on 10 of 18 shooting..

Brunson 41 5 boards 7 assists on 14 of 19 shooting.

They were not the problem..
RE: Most things about this team are beyond frustrating.  
Anakim : 2/4/2023 10:00 pm : link
In comment 16024851 robbieballs2003 said:
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I think this team would be better with Thibs, RJ, and Randle gone. Why sell Obi for pennies on the dollar but we continually watch Randle fuck up? Thibs should be fired for not having his players foul on that last possession in regulation. Why even let them get a shot off? Barrett was fuckin brutal tonight. The combination doesn't work. Something has to be done but Randle and Thibs cannot be that combo that stays. Thibs encourages Randle's bad habits.


LOL. I find trading Obi and keeping Randle hilarious, too. That's just Lil' Jimmy doing everything he can to make the playoffs and Leon Rose trying to justify keeping his job.

Randle has legit value. If the Knicks wanted to, they could get a nice haul for him. Instead, let's trade Obi for an expiring contract like Malik Beasley and a backup big role player with no range in Vanderbilt. It's ridiculous.
RE: I'll ask this again:  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 10:00 pm : link
In comment 16024854 Anakim said:
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What makes it so hard to believe that a coaching change wouldn't galvanize this team like it did with the Hawks a few years ago? Thibs is costing them game after game after game. This is a direct FUBAR situation with the coaching. He's horrendous.

Say they hired Quin Snyder (and I say Snyder because of the connection with Johnnie Bryant and Walt Perrin). Don't you think he would do a much job with usage of all of these players and actually get some wins out of this team?

This team has holes, yes. RJ is horrendous. Randle is not clutch. It's certainly not a perfect team and that's Leon Rose's fault (who should be on the hot seat), but this team would have a lot more wins in the W column if Thibs knew how to close games and manage his players' playing time better.


10000000% They should 5 or 6 more wins the way Randle and Brunson are playing
4 TOs in OT  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/4/2023 10:00 pm : link
pathetic
It's the same thing with Randle. Great stats, bad play when it matters  
robbieballs2003 : 2/4/2023 10:02 pm : link
Barrett was -20, Randle -11, Sims -9. Brunson was -5 and everyone else was positive. Brunson was great tonight. But most games in the NBA are close late and we play stupid. Yes, that is coaching but Randle fails time and time again with bad shots and turnovers.
14-14 in games within 5 points with 5 minutes left  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 10:03 pm : link
it sucks but if they had Brunson, Mitchell and Randle, Knicks would be a top 3 team in the east
RE: 14-14 in games within 5 points with 5 minutes left  
Anakim : 2/4/2023 10:04 pm : link
In comment 16024862 nygiants16 said:
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it sucks but if they had Brunson, Mitchell and Randle, Knicks would be a top 3 team in the east



With Thibs at the helm? I doubt it. He's a bad head coach.
Team is poorly built  
ghost718 : 2/4/2023 10:05 pm : link
even if they had a better coach,he wouldn't be able to turn all the dumb players into smart ones.
I wanted randle gone last year  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 10:07 pm : link
but its kind of funny to me, watching tonights game people are blaming Randle for losing late in the game..

Lets not mention he locked down Kawhi the last 5 minutes in the game to allow the Knicks back into the game..

Lets not mention how many great passes he made to open players in the 4th quarter..

Lets not mention the big stop and rebound he had at the end of the game up 1 with 30 seconds left..

Yes he missed a layup and turned the ball over in the ot, in a game he played 40 minutes and played his ass off and had to carry the team with Brunson..

Sorry he got tired in OT, no wonder nobody wants to play here
RE: RE: 14-14 in games within 5 points with 5 minutes left  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 10:07 pm : link
In comment 16024865 Anakim said:
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In comment 16024862 nygiants16 said:


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it sucks but if they had Brunson, Mitchell and Randle, Knicks would be a top 3 team in the east




With Thibs at the helm? I doubt it. He's a bad head coach.


True
And what happened with Barrett?  
robbieballs2003 : 2/4/2023 10:07 pm : link
His defense was always good. His D is horrendous this year. Every year he has made incremental progress on offense. This year he is brutal. All he seems to have is the ability to drive. He either gets passed his man for an easy layup or gets blocked. He is shooting like 31 or 32% from three. He has no mid range shot.
Lets not mention that  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 10:08 pm : link
Rj was burnt all game on defense and was 6 for 21 and took the most shots on the team..
This is endgame for me:  
Anakim : 2/4/2023 10:11 pm : link
Trade Randle while he can still net a very nice haul. Doesn't have to be before Thursday because Lord knows Leon Rose can't get fair value on a trade.

Fire Thibs now. Hire Quin Snyder, Frank Vogel or a fucking trained chimp. Don't care who. Anyone would be better and it may just be temporary.

Fire Leon Rose, WWW, and the rest of the cronies at the end of the season. Move Heaven and Earth to get Masai Ujiri.


And then go forward with Ujiri at the helm.
RE: I wanted randle gone last year  
robbieballs2003 : 2/4/2023 10:12 pm : link
In comment 16024867 nygiants16 said:
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but its kind of funny to me, watching tonights game people are blaming Randle for losing late in the game..

Lets not mention he locked down Kawhi the last 5 minutes in the game to allow the Knicks back into the game..

Lets not mention how many great passes he made to open players in the 4th quarter..

Lets not mention the big stop and rebound he had at the end of the game up 1 with 30 seconds left..

Yes he missed a layup and turned the ball over in the ot, in a game he played 40 minutes and played his ass off and had to carry the team with Brunson..

Sorry he got tired in OT, no wonder nobody wants to play here


I'm not blaming him for the loss. I'm pointing out that hd needs to go imo. He's not a winning player. It's the same story with him. He's still arguing with refs. Why does he need an explanation like this is his first year in the NBA?

I said this during his breakout year with us. I wanted to trade him. We saw what happened in the playoffs. I wanted to move him. The next year he sucked. I was against the grain again saying to hold onto him and build his value back up. His value is not going to be higher. What is best for the Knicks? If that means selling Randle high then you do it. He's not playing second fiddle to anyone with Thibs here. We still see Randle taking last second shots with Thibs. We still see him iso late in games. When you get a star is Randle going to take a back seat? We keep expecting him to be something he isn't. It is time to move on.
if RJ wasn't picked 3rd  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/4/2023 10:12 pm : link
he wouldn't be getting anywhere near the burn that he does
RE: This is endgame for me:  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2023 10:12 pm : link
In comment 16024871 Anakim said:
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Trade Randle while he can still net a very nice haul. Doesn't have to be before Thursday because Lord knows Leon Rose can't get fair value on a trade.

Fire Thibs now. Hire Quin Snyder, Frank Vogel or a fucking trained chimp. Don't care who. Anyone would be better and it may just be temporary.

Fire Leon Rose, WWW, and the rest of the cronies at the end of the season. Move Heaven and Earth to get Masai Ujiri.


And then go forward with Ujiri at the helm.


OR they can move the actual problem with this team and get a player who actually fits with the starters or a star to slide into that spot?

Why are we trading Randle unless your getting a superstsr back?
RE: if RJ wasn't picked 3rd  
robbieballs2003 : 2/4/2023 10:13 pm : link
In comment 16024873 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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he wouldn't be getting anywhere near the burn that he does


Agreed. It is bad.
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