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Earl the goat : 2/5/2023 4:37 pm
Knicks coming off a brutal OT loss because of Nic fucking Batum

Tonight’s headlines are sure to be the Kyrie Whack job Irving trade

Trade deadline Thursday Feb 9

Trades I would love to make if I’m
Leon Rose. Just spitballing here


Knicks send RJ and Rose plus a first rounder to Toronto for OG and Otto porter
Salary match out

Knicks send Fournier and Hart and Obi and Reddish and draft capital to Chicago for Derozan and Patrick Williams
Salaries match

Williams and OG can play the 3 and 4
Derozan makes the bench a weapon if he agrees to come off bench.


Mitch
Randle
OG
Grimes
Brunson

Bench
Simms
Williams
Derozan
IQ

I'll be at the game a rows behind where Dolan usually sits  
Anakim : 2/5/2023 4:43 pm : link
And you bet your ass I'm going to be screaming to fire Thibs
RE: I'll be at the game a rows behind where Dolan usually sits  
Earl the goat : 2/5/2023 4:45 pm : link
In comment 16025227 Anakim said:
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And you bet your ass I'm going to be screaming to fire Thibs



Hold up a sign so Dolan can prohibit you from attending games
RE: I'll be at the game a rows behind where Dolan usually sits  
AG5686 : 2/5/2023 4:50 pm : link
In comment 16025227 Anakim said:
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And you bet your ass I'm going to be screaming to fire Thibs

Didn't you promise you were not going to the game today??
It's ok...I'll never gamble again
What's the line now +4??
Not expecting a win  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 5:08 pm : link
expecting another game where Randle and Brunson keep the Knicks in the game, fight hard and then lose in the final couple of minutes..

Knicks have enough fire power to stay with anyone in the league, the question will always remain can they close..

Would be nice to have a bounce back game for Rj tonight
RE: RE: I'll be at the game a rows behind where Dolan usually sits  
Anakim : 2/5/2023 5:21 pm : link
In comment 16025230 AG5686 said:
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In comment 16025227 Anakim said:


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And you bet your ass I'm going to be screaming to fire Thibs


Didn't you promise you were not going to the game today??
It's ok...I'll never gamble again
What's the line now +4??


Didn’t promise. I said I didn’t want to go. I’ve seen the script before.
RE: RE: RE: I'll be at the game a rows behind where Dolan usually sits  
AG5686 : 2/5/2023 5:41 pm : link
In comment 16025248 Anakim said:
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And you bet your ass I'm going to be screaming to fire Thibs


Didn't you promise you were not going to the game today??
It's ok...I'll never gamble again
What's the line now +4??



Didn’t promise. I said I didn’t want to go. I’ve seen the script before.

Maybe they will surprise us and pull this off...
Lots of Sixers fans here  
Anakim : 2/5/2023 5:57 pm : link
And an Eagles chant broke out and I yelled to some asshole in a Brian Dawkins jersey “fuck the Eagles”
I’m here as well,  
Del Shofner : 2/5/2023 5:57 pm : link
with one of our kids…
Where is the damn game?  
cuty suzuki : 2/5/2023 6:08 pm : link
ESPN guide says Knicks, but the first half of the stupid flag football is on. The ESPN NY radio app has generic sports talk on.
What channel is this on?  
BigBlueShock : 2/5/2023 6:09 pm : link
Supposed to be on ESPN but they have the stupid ass Pro Bowl Games on
They’re not seriously  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 6:13 pm : link
gonna make us sit through flag football horseshit, right? And not even update viewers on when/where they can watch the basketball game?
Absolute horseshit  
BigBlueShock : 2/5/2023 6:15 pm : link
Can’t even throw the game on ESPN News or something? They need this garbage pro bowl on BOTH ESPN and ABC? Unbelievable
I signed on to ESPN streaming  
cuty suzuki : 2/5/2023 6:21 pm : link
using my cable company id. The streaming site says the game has not started yet (start time 6:19). Start might be being held back.
RJ suddenly listed as “doubtful”  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 6:23 pm : link
due to illness. Doubtful? The game is starting any moment now - is he in or out?
Just heard Obi tell “where’s RJ?”  
Anakim : 2/5/2023 6:24 pm : link
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Just started on ESPN News  
cuty suzuki : 2/5/2023 6:24 pm : link
..
RE: I'll be at the game a rows behind where Dolan usually sits  
Beezer : 2/5/2023 6:24 pm : link
In comment 16025227 Anakim said:
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And you bet your ass I'm going to be screaming to fire Thibs


Need a live steam when you get escorted out lol.
You can hear the Philly fans on tv.  
Mike from SI : 2/5/2023 6:28 pm : link
And looks like no RJ .
Its amazing how they officiate Embiid  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 6:30 pm : link
dude can lower his shoulder and run you over but the second you get ohysical with him, its a foul..
Wow Jericho almost made it six minutes  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 6:31 pm : link
before picking up his second foul. Thought it would happen within two minutes.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/5/2023 6:34 pm : link
Embiid gets away with so much.
Knicks close to deal with rj involved?  
Knickstape : 2/5/2023 6:37 pm : link
Very odd timing of this no
These Halloween unis...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/5/2023 6:37 pm : link
Good Lord.
RE: Knicks close to deal with rj involved?  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 6:38 pm : link
In comment 16025299 Knickstape said:
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Very odd timing of this no

That would be glorious, and was my first thought too.
Parade to the FT line for the Sixers  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 6:38 pm : link
meanwhile Brunson and Randle habe to get tackled
Why wouldn’t they challenge that?  
CooperDash : 2/5/2023 6:39 pm : link
Embiid was not touched at all. He went for the layup and fell down himself, and they just gave him a free pass to the line?

NBA suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks
No timeouts  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 6:40 pm : link
no subs, great coaching Thibs..

Knicks have nothing, I guess playing your starters 40 minutes really hurts you for the next game
On second thought…  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 6:41 pm : link
let’s watch some more flag football.
Anak had better be vocal!  
Beezer : 2/5/2023 6:41 pm : link
31-12

Nice start Thibs.
RE: You can hear the Philly fans on tv.  
Anakim : 2/5/2023 6:41 pm : link
In comment 16025287 Mike from SI said:
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And looks like no RJ .


Lots of Sixers fans and fans chanting MVP at Embiid
Heck with Thibedope  
ghost718 : 2/5/2023 6:43 pm : link
Bring back "Sell The Team"
Its obvious Randle and Brunson are a little tired  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 6:43 pm : link
short on all their shots, why not bring in Toppin or Mcbride who are fresh and see if they can bring some energy?..i dont know what do i know? i dont watch the tape 500 times
76ers just a better team.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/5/2023 6:44 pm : link
Again. Knicks aren't in the same weight class. Embiid is frontrunner for MVP. All about stars in hoops.
New this would be a blow out  
larryflower37 : 2/5/2023 6:45 pm : link
After last night and our best player out sick.
Maxey...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/5/2023 6:45 pm : link
So damn good.
JR getting to the line.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/5/2023 6:48 pm : link
Love to see it.
Nice end to the first  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/5/2023 6:49 pm : link
.
RE: New this would be a blow out  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 6:49 pm : link
In comment 16025315 larryflower37 said:
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After last night and our best player out sick.


hahahahaha
Look at that  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 6:50 pm : link
the bench brought energy
RE: Look at that  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/5/2023 6:53 pm : link
In comment 16025321 nygiants16 said:
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the bench brought energy


Same old script.
What a run  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/5/2023 6:57 pm : link
!
Dont fuck this up Thibs  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 7:00 pm : link
its ok to rely on your bench a little tonight, you can sprinkle in Brunson and Randle but let these guys play..
RE: Dont fuck this up Thibs  
robbieballs2003 : 2/5/2023 7:03 pm : link
In comment 16025325 nygiants16 said:
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its ok to rely on your bench a little tonight, you can sprinkle in Brunson and Randle but let these guys play..


Come on. You know I'm laughing at this post. Lol.
hahahaha  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 7:03 pm : link
they called it a take foul when Harris threw his arm into Fournier lol..These refs are on one
RE: RE: Dont fuck this up Thibs  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 7:05 pm : link
In comment 16025329 robbieballs2003 said:
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its ok to rely on your bench a little tonight, you can sprinkle in Brunson and Randle but let these guys play..



Come on. You know I'm laughing at this post. Lol.


Different circumatances, different game, Starters are clearly tired this game..

I even said for the last game that no matter ehat Thibs did he would be second guessed..

Fournier  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 7:07 pm : link
bringing back the no-layup rule!
They are going to call this a Flagrant lol  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 7:07 pm : link
..
What the fuck  
Beezer : 2/5/2023 7:09 pm : link
is this horseshit now?

These announcers are fucking brutal as well. Go sell insurance.
Who is this white guy?  
Beezer : 2/5/2023 7:12 pm : link
The alleged pro announcer? Shut the fuck up! Let the game breathe you fucking jamoke.

Monica’s voice is so refreshing there.

Jefferson needs to shut up too.

I miss Mike and Clyde.
This doesn’t even feel  
Beezer : 2/5/2023 7:13 pm : link
like a Knicks game on tv.
Why the hell  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 7:14 pm : link
would you foul Embiid at half court?
Embiid already 11 free throws  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 7:15 pm : link
..
Embiid jist lowers his shoulder  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 7:19 pm : link
and runs you over because he knows he is either going to score or get the foul call..
Only down two, wow.  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 7:26 pm : link
A miracle.
RE: Only down two, wow.  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 7:27 pm : link
In comment 16025343 bceagle05 said:
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A miracle.


1 thing about this team, they fight
Which are worse?  
Beezer : 2/5/2023 7:27 pm : link

These officials?

Or the booth trio for this game?

Difficult to choose. Both fucking putrid.
That was some terrible basketball  
ghost718 : 2/5/2023 7:31 pm : link
Sixers looked they never saw a "Kick Me" sign on the Knicks before
Any idea what happened to RJ  
AG5686 : 2/5/2023 7:57 pm : link
?
RE: Any idea what happened to RJ  
Mike from SI : 2/5/2023 8:00 pm : link
In comment 16025355 AG5686 said:
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I just saw/heard illness. I did not hear them say it's non-covid related, so perhaps he has the 'vid?
We cannot inbound the ball, ever.  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 8:01 pm : link
Everyone just stands still. Has Thibs never learned an effective play in his decades of coaching? JVG never had one, or Doc? Maybe that Musselman dude?
RE: RE: Any idea what happened to RJ  
AG5686 : 2/5/2023 8:04 pm : link
In comment 16025357 Mike from SI said:
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I just saw/heard illness. I did not hear them say it's non-covid related, so perhaps he has the 'vid?

Thanks Mike
Its amazing  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 8:09 pm : link
the amount of contact the Sixers get away with compared to what the Knicks are doing
No whistle again.  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 8:13 pm : link
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Leon Rose just passed by me. I asked if we’re making any trades.  
Anakim : 2/5/2023 8:15 pm : link
Everyone around me had no idea who he was
let the second team close it out  
jmalls23 : 2/5/2023 8:22 pm : link
enough already
Agree leave the current  
Carl in CT : 2/5/2023 8:24 pm : link
Team on the floor in the game.
Who’s ready  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 8:24 pm : link
for another soul-crushing loss?
I mean, uhh…  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 8:25 pm : link
let’s go Knicks!
starters like -20  
jmalls23 : 2/5/2023 8:28 pm : link
bench +20
here comes randle of course  
jmalls23 : 2/5/2023 8:33 pm : link
its funny
RE: Who’s ready  
Mike from SI : 2/5/2023 8:33 pm : link
In comment 16025373 bceagle05 said:
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for another soul-crushing loss?


Gonna go straight from the upcoming soul-crushing loss right into The Last Of Us. Very poetic and fitting transition.
RE: Leon Rose just passed by me. I asked if we’re making any trades.  
Earl the goat : 2/5/2023 8:35 pm : link
In comment 16025366 Anakim said:
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Everyone around me had no idea who he was



I met him at a charity dinner and the speaker was Jay Wright. That’s the Knicks next coach
Is it me  
Mike from SI : 2/5/2023 8:37 pm : link
or has Hart looked a little better recently? He still has his moments but I find my blood boiling less regarding his play.
Its laughablr watching Harden  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 8:39 pm : link
complain after everytime he fouls someone
RE: Is it me  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 8:40 pm : link
In comment 16025385 Mike from SI said:
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or has Hart looked a little better recently? He still has his moments but I find my blood boiling less regarding his play.


so much better
Starters have to be exhausted  
larryflower37 : 2/5/2023 8:41 pm : link
Let the bench run, they are hot.
Jay Wright would be a dream  
jmalls23 : 2/5/2023 8:42 pm : link
Love everything about him
Starters 3-18 from 3  
larryflower37 : 2/5/2023 8:43 pm : link
Bench 9-17
No legs
Be amazed if Philly  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/5/2023 8:46 pm : link
Doesn't somehow make a run to make this tight.
Spike called  
bluefin : 2/5/2023 8:49 pm : link
for a review lol
Randle so lucky  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/5/2023 8:50 pm : link
There with the bank should have went up strong previous drive
My god Embiid gets every call  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 8:50 pm : link
..
And no whistle for Randle.  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 8:52 pm : link
That’s an “and 1” every time for the Philly Floppers.
Randle in the clutch??!!!  
larryflower37 : 2/5/2023 8:52 pm : link
2 big shots in a row
how is that not a take foul?  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 8:56 pm : link
or is it under 2 minutes no take fouls?
my god breathe on the sixers  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 8:56 pm : link
its a foul
This is absurd.  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 8:57 pm : link
Stop blowing the fucking whistle.
Thats a fantastic win  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 9:00 pm : link
..
What a great win against the Sixers after an ot game last night  
Ira : 2/5/2023 9:01 pm : link
!!!
Awesome win!!!  
larryflower37 : 2/5/2023 9:01 pm : link
That's a gritty win with your best player missing.
Thibs has to work out a deeper rotation to keep everyone fresh
Wow, I gave them a zero percent chance of winning this game.  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 9:01 pm : link
Great effort. McBride is coming along. Happy for Fournier - boost that trade value!
Great win!  
Sean : 2/5/2023 9:02 pm : link
.
McBride earning his  
Earl the goat : 2/5/2023 9:02 pm : link
Way into rotation

Sneaky feeling RJ is being traded
Big ups to  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 9:02 pm : link
Fournier staying ready and coming in and playing good defense and shooting the lights out..

Mcbride came in and played great defense and knocked down some open shots

Hartenstein had a fantastic game, he has been a lot better lately..

Brunson and Randle closed it..

Bench saved this game in the first half
RE: McBride earning his  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/5/2023 9:04 pm : link
In comment 16025409 Earl the goat said:
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Way into rotation

Sneaky feeling RJ is being traded


Would be big depending on who they get.
We’re a real shitshow against trapping defenses.  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 9:04 pm : link
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RJB  
Carl in CT : 2/5/2023 9:05 pm : link
Looked better without him. Love to use his money to sign an impactful player. I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’d rather take KP back.
RE: Awesome win!!!  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/5/2023 9:06 pm : link
In comment 16025406 larryflower37 said:
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That's a gritty win with your best player missing.
Thibs has to work out a deeper rotation to keep everyone fresh


Perhaps they won because he is NOT their best or even second best player?
RE: RJB  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 9:06 pm : link
In comment 16025413 Carl in CT said:
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Looked better without him. Love to use his money to sign an impactful player. I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’d rather take KP back.


He is just not an off ball player..
RE: RJB  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/5/2023 9:07 pm : link
In comment 16025413 Carl in CT said:
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Looked better without him. Love to use his money to sign an impactful player. I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’d rather take KP back.


Ayton, OG ...Ill take either
No RJ  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/5/2023 9:08 pm : link
Big win.... hmmm
Nice to see that Niang clown play like hot garbage.  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 9:13 pm : link
He acted like a total buffoon during and after the Christmas Day game.
You do understand the starters without RJ  
larryflower37 : 2/5/2023 9:14 pm : link
Had to be bailed out by the bench right and your savior Grimes was 1-5 from 3 and barely played in the 4th right?
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.
And how about Jalen  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2023 9:14 pm : link
giving Harden a taste of his own medicine with those cheap fouls? Just a feel good win all around.
RE: You do understand the starters without RJ  
Earl the goat : 2/5/2023 9:16 pm : link
In comment 16025420 larryflower37 said:
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Had to be bailed out by the bench right and your savior Grimes was 1-5 from 3 and barely played in the 4th right?
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.


RJ’s defense has been awful. Rather have OG than RJ
Hartenstein is playing much better lately - more like the player we  
Ira : 2/5/2023 9:17 pm : link
signed last summer.
RE: You do understand the starters without RJ  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 9:18 pm : link
In comment 16025420 larryflower37 said:
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Had to be bailed out by the bench right and your savior Grimes was 1-5 from 3 and barely played in the 4th right?
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.


What does any of this have to do with Rj not being a fit with the starters?
RE: Hartenstein is playing much better lately - more like the player we  
Enzo : 2/5/2023 9:19 pm : link
In comment 16025426 Ira said:
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signed last summer.

they're still not using him correctly on offense - but he's certainly been more active and more of a presence.
RE: RE: You do understand the starters without RJ  
larryflower37 : 2/5/2023 9:20 pm : link
In comment 16025427 nygiants16 said:
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Had to be bailed out by the bench right and your savior Grimes was 1-5 from 3 and barely played in the 4th right?
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.



What does any of this have to do with Rj not being a fit with the starters?

Because he actually does and it showed tonight
RE: No RJ  
Enzo : 2/5/2023 9:22 pm : link
In comment 16025417 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Big win.... hmmm

we have other wings who can do at least one thing well. Right now RJ does nothing well. The only person in NY that thinks he deserves big minutes is Thibs.
RE: RE: RE: You do understand the starters without RJ  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 9:22 pm : link
In comment 16025429 larryflower37 said:
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Had to be bailed out by the bench right and your savior Grimes was 1-5 from 3 and barely played in the 4th right?
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.



What does any of this have to do with Rj not being a fit with the starters?


Because he actually does and it showed tonight


No he doesnt, you notice who finished with Brunson and Randle? Fournier and Mcbride, you know why it worked? because they play iff the ball, they are not ball dominant, so they excelled getting wide open 3s..

Name 1 great team that had 3 ball domiannt players and all 3 continued to be ball domiannt and it was succesful..
RE: Awesome win!!!  
Enzo : 2/5/2023 9:22 pm : link
In comment 16025406 larryflower37 said:
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That's a gritty win with your best player missing.

lol. are you drunk?
RE: RE: Awesome win!!!  
larryflower37 : 2/5/2023 9:24 pm : link
In comment 16025433 Enzo said:
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That's a gritty win with your best player missing.



lol. are you drunk?

Haha
You triggered bro ?
RE: RE: RE: RE: You do understand the starters without RJ  
larryflower37 : 2/5/2023 9:31 pm : link
In comment 16025432 nygiants16 said:
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Had to be bailed out by the bench right and your savior Grimes was 1-5 from 3 and barely played in the 4th right?
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.



What does any of this have to do with Rj not being a fit with the starters?


Because he actually does and it showed tonight



No he doesnt, you notice who finished with Brunson and Randle? Fournier and Mcbride, you know why it worked? because they play iff the ball, they are not ball dominant, so they excelled getting wide open 3s..

Name 1 great team that had 3 ball domiannt players and all 3 continued to be ball domiannt and it was succesful..

GS warriors? 76ers ? Celtics?
Also the starting line up you have been screaming for didn't finish the game. They wouldn't have if the other 2 could do anything tonight.
RE: RE: RE: Awesome win!!!  
Enzo : 2/5/2023 9:36 pm : link
In comment 16025434 larryflower37 said:
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That's a gritty win with your best player missing.



lol. are you drunk?


Haha
You triggered bro ?

wouldn't be your first lousy RJ take...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You do understand the starters without RJ  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 9:37 pm : link
In comment 16025435 larryflower37 said:
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Had to be bailed out by the bench right and your savior Grimes was 1-5 from 3 and barely played in the 4th right?
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.



What does any of this have to do with Rj not being a fit with the starters?


Because he actually does and it showed tonight



No he doesnt, you notice who finished with Brunson and Randle? Fournier and Mcbride, you know why it worked? because they play iff the ball, they are not ball dominant, so they excelled getting wide open 3s..

Name 1 great team that had 3 ball domiannt players and all 3 continued to be ball domiannt and it was succesful..


GS warriors? 76ers ? Celtics?
Also the starting line up you have been screaming for didn't finish the game. They wouldn't have if the other 2 could do anything tonight.


Warriors have 3 ball dominant players in thejr stsrting lineuo? who?

Sixers dont, they moved Maxey to the bench because it wasnt working..

Celtics have 2 not 3..

Nice try though
3 ball dominant players doesnt work in 1 lineup  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 9:40 pm : link
not enough touches, never has never will..

Warriors never had 3 ball dominant players, Klay is an off the ball player, he is a sbooter, running off screens..

Curry has become more ball domiannt but he runs a lot of DHO's with Green..

Why do you think it doesnt work for the Lakers?
Man did we need that win  
djm : 2/5/2023 9:43 pm : link
.. they are still stupid as fuck but nice win.
anyway good team win  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 9:43 pm : link
now can relax for a couple of days..
RE: 3 ball dominant players doesnt work in 1 lineup  
Vanzetti : 2/5/2023 9:47 pm : link
In comment 16025441 nygiants16 said:
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not enough touches, never has never will..

Warriors never had 3 ball dominant players, Klay is an off the ball player, he is a sbooter, running off screens..

Curry has become more ball domiannt but he runs a lot of DHO's with Green..

Why do you think it doesnt work for the Lakers?


Totally agree. You can have two--Jordan/Pippen, Steph/Durant--but hard to have three.Unless one of the three is a Chris Paul type PG

That's why RJ should be on the floor whenever Brunson or Randle sit.


RE: RE: 3 ball dominant players doesnt work in 1 lineup  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/5/2023 9:50 pm : link
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not enough touches, never has never will..

Warriors never had 3 ball dominant players, Klay is an off the ball player, he is a sbooter, running off screens..

Curry has become more ball domiannt but he runs a lot of DHO's with Green..

Why do you think it doesnt work for the Lakers?



Totally agree. You can have two--Jordan/Pippen, Steph/Durant--but hard to have three.Unless one of the three is a Chris Paul type PG

That's why RJ should be on the floor whenever Brunson or Randle sit.



Or a true superstar that Randle would finally have to start defering touches to especially in the 4th Q. RJ ain't that guy.
Knicks are 5-2 when RJ doesn't play this year lol  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/5/2023 9:50 pm : link
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RE: And how about Jalen  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/5/2023 9:50 pm : link
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giving Harden a taste of his own medicine with those cheap fouls? Just a feel good win all around.



That was SWEEEEEET. Some of them were bullshit like the ones Harden’s been living on for a decade.

From the middle of the third quarter on, the Knicks 4 guards were excellent. They were able to steal time with Brunson on the bench, then he came in and kept it going. Great games by Fournier and Deuce.

Meanwhile, the Sixers bench combo of Niang and Reed were horrendous. Their entire bench was and the game was lost while Embiid was sitting.

I’ve been rough on Hartenstein, but he was terrific off the bench.

Great win.
Thibs finally listened to BBI  
Vanzetti : 2/5/2023 9:53 pm : link
Run with the hot hand. McBride and Fournier with eight threes. Stayed in at the end. And not surprisingly Knicks did not blow the lead

MCbride is just a great defender and Fournier, while not great defensively--is hardnosed--something knicks have been missing.

Great game
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You do understand the starters without RJ  
larryflower37 : 2/5/2023 9:54 pm : link
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Had to be bailed out by the bench right and your savior Grimes was 1-5 from 3 and barely played in the 4th right?
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.



What does any of this have to do with Rj not being a fit with the starters?


Because he actually does and it showed tonight



No he doesnt, you notice who finished with Brunson and Randle? Fournier and Mcbride, you know why it worked? because they play iff the ball, they are not ball dominant, so they excelled getting wide open 3s..

Name 1 great team that had 3 ball domiannt players and all 3 continued to be ball domiannt and it was succesful..


GS warriors? 76ers ? Celtics?
Also the starting line up you have been screaming for didn't finish the game. They wouldn't have if the other 2 could do anything tonight.



Warriors have 3 ball dominant players in thejr stsrting lineuo? who?

Sixers dont, they moved Maxey to the bench because it wasnt working..

Celtics have 2 not 3..

Nice try though

Harris on the 76ers not Maxey btw.
Warriors Klay, Wiggins and Curry.
I will give you Smart but he is not a straight up perimeter shooter

RE: Thibs finally listened to BBI  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/5/2023 10:01 pm : link
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Run with the hot hand. McBride and Fournier with eight threes. Stayed in at the end. And not surprisingly Knicks did not blow the lead

McBride is just a great defender and Fournier, while not great defensively--is hardnosed--something knicks have been missing.

Great game.




Thibs has a disgustingly bad feel for flow of the game, his players strengths and weaknesses and rotations. He generally doesn't believe in riding the hot hand and plays favorites. Today we were fortunate but until he shows a willingness to adapt, I'm still quite skeptical.


Harris is not ball dominant  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 10:01 pm : link
and has completely changed his game to be more off the ball, he is only taking 12 shots per game, plus Harden is more of a distributor so he gets guys open shots..

Klay is not ball dominant, Curry has become a little bit more as his career has gone on but a lot of his scoring is off of Draymond..
Your ball dominant theory  
larryflower37 : 2/5/2023 10:10 pm : link
Doesn't hold water because Harris, Harden, Embid game was always ball dominant but they changed to win.
Lebron, Wade and bosh were the same.
So in the right system it can work and players being less selfish.
Brunson didn't need to be ball dominant in Dallas and played off Luka more often than not.
In the end you don't want RJ on this team and haven't for 3 years it didn't start when Brunson got here
You are fitting the 3 ball dominant theory to make an excuse to move on from RJ.
So if you move RJ for Dame or Mitchell you would be worried about 3 ball dominant players?
RE: Your ball dominant theory  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/5/2023 10:15 pm : link
In comment 16025465 larryflower37 said:
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Doesn't hold water because Harris, Harden, Embid game was always ball dominant but they changed to win.
Lebron, Wade and bosh were the same.
So in the right system it can work and players being less selfish.
Brunson didn't need to be ball dominant in Dallas and played off Luka more often than not.
In the end you don't want RJ on this team and haven't for 3 years it didn't start when Brunson got here
You are fitting the 3 ball dominant theory to make an excuse to move on from RJ.
So if you move RJ for Dame or Mitchell you would be worried about 3 ball dominant players?


Well depending on Thibs idiotic rotations and favoring Randle maybe...but I think Randle would be forced to defer more to a true superstar player. RJ aint that guy. Brunson is a point who is not a me first player and can adjust.
RE: Your ball dominant theory  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 10:24 pm : link
In comment 16025465 larryflower37 said:
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Doesn't hold water because Harris, Harden, Embid game was always ball dominant but they changed to win.
Lebron, Wade and bosh were the same.
So in the right system it can work and players being less selfish.
Brunson didn't need to be ball dominant in Dallas and played off Luka more often than not.
In the end you don't want RJ on this team and haven't for 3 years it didn't start when Brunson got here
You are fitting the 3 ball dominant theory to make an excuse to move on from RJ.
So if you move RJ for Dame or Mitchell you would be worried about 3 ball dominant players?


Holy crap, Bosh went from a 25 PPG scorer to a 16-18 ppg scorer and became more pick and pop and had to play off the ball..Even Wade took a step back..

No shit when 3 great players come together 1 guy has to take step back, the point is Rj cant, he doesnt have a consistent shooting touch..He has to be ball dominant to be effective..

If you put 3 stars together and a guy isnt capable of playing off the ball, it is not going to work, like with the Lakers, Westbrook cant play off the ball, so now he has to come off the bench..

If they trade for a star, Randle has to continue to move more off the ball and hopefully the guy they get can shoot so he can play off the ball as well..

It is really simple, 3 guys who need the ball to be effective doesnt work, 1 or 2 guys has to be effective off the ball for it to work..I dont get how this is so hard to understand, tbis is not just about Rj if it was anyone in that position i would say the same thing, i said it about Fournier and Kemba last year, it was to many guys that needed the ball..
Fucking "E-A-G-L-E-S" chants throughout the game  
Anakim : 2/5/2023 10:25 pm : link
And with Justin Tuck courtside. Fuck that. At least we ended the night with a "FUCK THE EAGLES!" chant.
RE: RE: Your ball dominant theory  
larryflower37 : 2/5/2023 10:27 pm : link
In comment 16025468 CornerStone246+17 said:
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Doesn't hold water because Harris, Harden, Embid game was always ball dominant but they changed to win.
Lebron, Wade and bosh were the same.
So in the right system it can work and players being less selfish.
Brunson didn't need to be ball dominant in Dallas and played off Luka more often than not.
In the end you don't want RJ on this team and haven't for 3 years it didn't start when Brunson got here
You are fitting the 3 ball dominant theory to make an excuse to move on from RJ.
So if you move RJ for Dame or Mitchell you would be worried about 3 ball dominant players?



Well depending on Thibs idiotic rotations and favoring Randle maybe...but I think Randle would be forced to defer more to a true superstar player. RJ aint that guy. Brunson is a point who is not a me first player and can adjust.

100%
Can RJ, Randle,and Brunson develop that chemistry and Thibs change his thinking I hope so.
Grimes and Quickley have been too inconsistent in hitting the wide open 3 off the doubles.
But deep down you know RJ is going to be there and they need to learn to make it work this season to make a run
RE: RE: Your ball dominant theory  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/5/2023 10:30 pm : link
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Doesn't hold water because Harris, Harden, Embid game was always ball dominant but they changed to win.
Lebron, Wade and bosh were the same.
So in the right system it can work and players being less selfish.
Brunson didn't need to be ball dominant in Dallas and played off Luka more often than not.
In the end you don't want RJ on this team and haven't for 3 years it didn't start when Brunson got here
You are fitting the 3 ball dominant theory to make an excuse to move on from RJ.
So if you move RJ for Dame or Mitchell you would be worried about 3 ball dominant players?



Holy crap, Bosh went from a 25 PPG scorer to a 16-18 ppg scorer and became more pick and pop and had to play off the ball..Even Wade took a step back..

No shit when 3 great players come together 1 guy has to take step back, the point is Rj cant, he doesnt have a consistent shooting touch..He has to be ball dominant to be effective..

If you put 3 stars together and a guy isnt capable of playing off the ball, it is not going to work, like with the Lakers, Westbrook cant play off the ball, so now he has to come off the bench..

If they trade for a star, Randle has to continue to move more off the ball and hopefully the guy they get can shoot so he can play off the ball as well..

It is really simple, 3 guys who need the ball to be effective doesnt work, 1 or 2 guys has to be effective off the ball for it to work..I dont get how this is so hard to understand, tbis is not just about Rj if it was anyone in that position i would say the same thing, i said it about Fournier and Kemba last year, it was to many guys that needed the ball..


RJ is not a good fit with this squad especially with the idiotic Thibs rotations.
just back from the game - what a great win and  
Del Shofner : 2/5/2023 10:30 pm : link
unexpected, especially after the putrid start by the starters.

Hart, Fournier and Deuce were great off the bench. Hart and Fournier, enough said - and Deuce was +34 in 23 minutes.

Besides 14 rebounds Hart was diving for balls and giving it back to Embiid physically. Fournier finally did what he was brought here to do.

Embiid is a beast, his "MVP" chants from the Philly fans in attendance (there were quite a few) may be deserved.

Harden is even more dislikable in person than on TV, because TV cuts away to other things and doesn't show him endlessly arguing with the refs about everything. I don't know why the refs tolerate it.

Anyway - great night. Our youngest (who's grown) was in town and wanted to go to the game - glad we did.
You really got to give Fournier credit  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2023 10:39 pm : link
Dude can be traded at any minute and he comes in and just plays fantastic, shooting the 3 and his defense has been phenominal..

He really has been such a great vet..
also - not to get in the middle of the on-ball, off-ball debate but  
Del Shofner : 2/5/2023 10:58 pm : link
tonight the Knicks' best lineup was Hart-Randle-Fournier-Deuce-Brunson.

Brunson and Randle mainly handled the ball. If any of the other three guys got the ball, they got rid of it quickly by passing or shooting.

Deuce played a D-and-3 role and it worked well. He's not a great 3-point shooter but he hit a couple of big ones and played good D.

Grimes was decent, not great. IQ as a starter didn't work and maybe in part because he's another on-ball player. Also - I hope he's OK - he appeared to get injured, early in the 4th quarter I think it was, and he didn't return.

Obi certainly runs a lot, and he wasn't bad, but I wonder sometimes if he knows where he's running to and why.
Literally first Knicks game I watched in years.  
give66 : 2/5/2023 11:19 pm : link
I like the energy of this team! I'll have to watch more.
RE: Fucking  
Del Shofner : 2/5/2023 11:21 pm : link
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And with Justin Tuck courtside. Fuck that. At least we ended the night with a "FUCK THE EAGLES!" chant.


That was great. The NY v Philly vibe was strong tonight. It was good atmosphere, a little like soccer in Europe. Although MSG is such a bread-and-a-circus atmosphere, with all the crazy things going on during breaks.
Next pipe dream for rhe Knicks lol  
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No way am I gonna buy into that Booker crap  
Stu11 : 2/6/2023 8:47 am : link
However the Suns do have the look of a team that's window is slamming shut pretty quickly. CP3 seems like he's on his last legs and if Booker asks out that's pretty much curtains for them.
There’s definitely some fire to the Booker stuff  
ajr2456 : 2/6/2023 8:51 am : link
But I don’t think it ends up happening with the new owner. Maybe if Sarver was still in charge.
RE: No way am I gonna buy into that Booker crap  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2023 8:57 am : link
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However the Suns do have the look of a team that's window is slamming shut pretty quickly. CP3 seems like he's on his last legs and if Booker asks out that's pretty much curtains for them.


Shams had a report that the suns are being super agressive to try and upgrade the team and made it sound like CP3 was on the way out
While the Knicks didnt want to deplete the war-chest  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/6/2023 9:01 am : link
Of assets with Mitchell too much I can see them doing it for Booker. Booker is a true 2 way player.

Now I'm not getting hopes up for this to happen but I can see the Knicks going this route should he actually become available.
Evan Fournier  
AG5686 : 2/6/2023 9:11 am : link
Is it possible he has played his way back into the rotation?
We need outside shooting,and he is great beside randle and brunson
I know his D is lacking,but sheesh he has played well the last few games he has been allowed out of the dog house...
Brooker is not leaving PHX  
larryflower37 : 2/6/2023 9:19 am : link
Anytime soon, PHX will do anything they can to rebuild around him .
Trade rumor was the were definitely in on Kyrie and could see them going all in on Durant.
RE: Evan Fournier  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2023 9:19 am : link
In comment 16025581 AG5686 said:
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Is it possible he has played his way back into the rotation?
We need outside shooting,and he is great beside randle and brunson
I know his D is lacking,but sheesh he has played well the last few games he has been allowed out of the dog house...


No he is fine in spots and he got hot yesterday but overall his shooting hasnt been good..

His defense has been better but do you trust it? In this league you need to be a good defender at the wing position
RE: Evan Fournier  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/6/2023 9:22 am : link
In comment 16025581 AG5686 said:
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Is it possible he has played his way back into the rotation?
We need outside shooting,and he is great beside randle and brunson
I know his D is lacking,but sheesh he has played well the last few games he has been allowed out of the dog house...


He can shoot. Possibly the best pure shooter on the team for a team that lacks great shooting. Its too bad Thibs isnt a coach that is good at adjusting system to his players.

A line up with Mitchell Randle Fournier Grimes/Quickly Brunson should actually in theory be a decent one if utilized properly.
RE: RE: Evan Fournier  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2023 9:24 am : link
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Is it possible he has played his way back into the rotation?
We need outside shooting,and he is great beside randle and brunson
I know his D is lacking,but sheesh he has played well the last few games he has been allowed out of the dog house...



He can shoot. Possibly the best pure shooter on the team for a team that lacks great shooting. Its too bad Thibs isnt a coach that is good at adjusting system to his players.

A line up with Mitchell Randle Fournier Grimes/Quickly Brunson should actually in theory be a decent one if utilized properly.


The problem is a lineup with Brunson and Fournier is tough defensively...You can hide 1 bad defender, you cant hide 2..Fournier will try on defense, he is good team defender but if he has to guard a good to great offensive player, he is going to get cooked..

Thats the thing missing with this team, not enough bigger defensive wings
Bigger Defensive Wings  
AG5686 : 2/6/2023 9:27 am : link
Look at Philly,they have several big wing players,who can shoot.
I agree that Fournier and Brunson cannot play together for too long due to the D....but IQ/Fournier does work
RE: Bigger Defensive Wings  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2023 9:30 am : link
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Look at Philly,they have several big wing players,who can shoot.
I agree that Fournier and Brunson cannot play together for too long due to the D....but IQ/Fournier does work


Yeah fournier cnanplay well with Iq or Mcbride
RE: RE: Bigger Defensive Wings  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/6/2023 10:11 am : link
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Look at Philly,they have several big wing players,who can shoot.
I agree that Fournier and Brunson cannot play together for too long due to the D....but IQ/Fournier does work



Yeah fournier cnanplay well with Iq or Mcbride


OG in theory would be a strong compliment to this line-up. Chess piece defensive player who can come in anywhere depending on matchups.
I don't want to shit on Thibs...  
Jan in DC : 2/6/2023 10:41 am : link
but if you have a flexible coach, you could have someone who could utilize Fournier's shooting.

This team desperately needs shooting, and we have a good outside shooter on the team, but for some reason we have a 9 man rotation that CANNOT be compromised and guys are even in or out, even if they're having bad nights or we can take advantage of some matchup.
the stats and eye  
Enzo : 2/6/2023 10:44 am : link
test show RJ has been awful defensively for a few weeks. So if you're not getting any defense from him - why give some mins to Fournier? At least you know he's going to make shots.

Looking backwards, you do what you have to do to get Brunson, but losing Burks hurt.
RE: I don't want to shit on Thibs...  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2023 10:59 am : link
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but if you have a flexible coach, you could have someone who could utilize Fournier's shooting.

This team desperately needs shooting, and we have a good outside shooter on the team, but for some reason we have a 9 man rotation that CANNOT be compromised and guys are even in or out, even if they're having bad nights or we can take advantage of some matchup.


Never adjusts to the game, biggest issue
RE: I don't want to shit on Thibs...  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2023 11:01 am : link
In comment 16025660 Jan in DC said:
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but if you have a flexible coach, you could have someone who could utilize Fournier's shooting.

This team desperately needs shooting, and we have a good outside shooter on the team, but for some reason we have a 9 man rotation that CANNOT be compromised and guys are even in or out, even if they're having bad nights or we can take advantage of some matchup.


Fournier is a perfect example of how the FO both "fully supports Thibs" but clearly the organization is not on the same page. Fournier has been EXACTLY who he's always been prior to coming to the Knicks and yet Thibs fell out of love with Fournier within months of him being here... so why did they sign him? It's not like he signed here and his play/game fell off.
I have no problem with a 9 man rotation  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2023 11:18 am : link
i have no problem sitting guys who aremt performing or the fit is not right but a guy shouldnt just be banished and not seen or heard form again..Every game is different sometimes you need a scoring punch off the bench, sometimes you need defense..

Guys shouldmt be playing 16 straight minutes when they are 1 for 11 or when they are 11 for 11...You cant have a rotation like that, you first off kill the bench and then you exhaust your starters..

and the constant need to have a center on the court is baffiling..
RE: I have no problem with a 9 man rotation  
Enzo : 2/6/2023 11:30 am : link
In comment 16025688 nygiants16 said:
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i have no problem sitting guys who aremt performing or the fit is not right but a guy shouldnt just be banished and not seen or heard form again..Every game is different sometimes you need a scoring punch off the bench, sometimes you need defense..

Guys shouldmt be playing 16 straight minutes when they are 1 for 11 or when they are 11 for 11...You cant have a rotation like that, you first off kill the bench and then you exhaust your starters..

and the constant need to have a center on the court is baffiling..

apparently RJ played the first 18 minutes of the game on Saturday night, lol. That's weird even if the guy is playing well. But for someone who's actively hurting the team....it's outright lunacy/malpractice.
RE: RE: I have no problem with a 9 man rotation  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2023 11:39 am : link
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i have no problem sitting guys who aremt performing or the fit is not right but a guy shouldnt just be banished and not seen or heard form again..Every game is different sometimes you need a scoring punch off the bench, sometimes you need defense..

Guys shouldmt be playing 16 straight minutes when they are 1 for 11 or when they are 11 for 11...You cant have a rotation like that, you first off kill the bench and then you exhaust your starters..

and the constant need to have a center on the court is baffiling..


apparently RJ played the first 18 minutes of the game on Saturday night, lol. That's weird even if the guy is playing well. But for someone who's actively hurting the team....it's outright lunacy/malpractice.


Yup, its because thibs doesnt know how to stagger and his first sub is always Hartenstein for Sims and it doesnt come until 7 minutes into the quarter..

Thibs waits forever to make his first sub and then at that point it is hard to stagger..

Rj should play as many minutes as possible with the bench..
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TommyWiseau : 2/6/2023 12:06 pm : link
The Knicks will stand pat and not make a move. Just a gut feeling is all
I'll  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2023 12:15 pm : link
guess Reddish is the only move and that he lands in Cleveland for Windler and a 2nd round pick.
Did the Knicks win that game?  
AG5686 : 2/6/2023 12:41 pm : link
Or did the sixers blow it??
RE: Did the Knicks win that game?  
Anakim : 2/6/2023 12:42 pm : link
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Or did the sixers blow it??


No, we won it. It was a solid win.
I mean RJB does average 20 PPG  
djm : 2/6/2023 12:44 pm : link
and can get his own shot. He gets to the basket. Some of you are making this guy out to be awful.
RE: I mean RJB does average 20 PPG  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2023 12:48 pm : link
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and can get his own shot. He gets to the basket. Some of you are making this guy out to be awful.


Its not that hr is terrible, the big issue is the fit and he is not capable of playing that 3rd fiddle role..

Plus his defense has regressed and yes he scores 20 but his effeciency is awful and he doesnt pass the ball..

I just dont think the fit is helping him
RE: I mean RJB does average 20 PPG  
Enzo : 2/6/2023 12:55 pm : link
In comment 16025768 djm said:
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and can get his own shot. He gets to the basket. Some of you are making this guy out to be awful.

He gets those points on a ton of shots (his efficiency sucks)
He's not a playmaker (barely more assists than turnovers).
His defense sucks (31 combined steals and blocks this season in 1674 minutes!)
Anakim  
AG5686 : 2/6/2023 12:58 pm : link
In comment 16025767 Anakim said:
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Or did the sixers blow it??



No, we won it. It was a solid win.

I meant to ask you how it was being there
Also did RJ seem engaged in the game or was he pissed off at not playing?
I have my suspicion about his not playing last nite
DJM  
AG5686 : 2/6/2023 1:00 pm : link
I am the band leader for the RJ fan club...and I am not pleased with his play this year
His FG % is down as is his Defensive efficiency scores
It's fixable...but hasn't been fixed yet
Barrett  
TyreeHelmet : 2/6/2023 1:08 pm : link
saying he's the Knicks best player is crazy talk. He may not even in be in the top 5 right now.

Fournier is not a good 1 on 1 defender but he is a smart defender and good at team defense. Combine that with his shooting/ passing and IQ, he deserves minutes with the starters over RJ right now.

If there is any chance for a RJ for OG ( or even Siakam) deal, I would be going all in on that if I'm the Knicks.
RJ is 22 years old  
Vanzetti : 2/6/2023 1:23 pm : link
So while a lot of the things you guys are saying about him, especially lack of fit, are true, he is very young and still has several years to improve.

It Also does not help that he has a coach using Van Gundy’s offensive playbook from the 1990s
RE: Barrett  
larryflower37 : 2/6/2023 1:24 pm : link
In comment 16025795 TyreeHelmet said:
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saying he's the Knicks best player is crazy talk. He may not even in be in the top 5 right now.

Fournier is not a good 1 on 1 defender but he is a smart defender and good at team defense. Combine that with his shooting/ passing and IQ, he deserves minutes with the starters over RJ right now.

If there is any chance for a RJ for OG ( or even Siakam) deal, I would be going all in on that if I'm the Knicks.

Man the rosy glasses are on for Fournier today.
All I heard for a year is how bad Fournier is on defense and sit him down, One decent game and we are moving to a 10 man rotation to accommodate him or give him Barrett's minutes.
Fournier was a bad fit from the start and should have moved him when we cleaned out the last group (kemba,etc)
I don't know what game you watched last night but Fournier was in bad body position and swapping at the ball all night in 25 minutes a night you guys would have the torches and pitchforks put.
RE: RJ is 22 years old  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2023 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16025801 Vanzetti said:
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So while a lot of the things you guys are saying about him, especially lack of fit, are true, he is very young and still has several years to improve.

It Also does not help that he has a coach using Van Gundy’s offensive playbook from the 1990s


It doesnt matter what playbook you use, he wouldnt be a fit, he wouldnt fit in the warriors offense..

he is a 1 level scorer and a volume scorer at that..

We all ahted Randle last year because of his ineffeciemcy and iso, why does Rj get a pass with worse numbers?
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Del Shofner : 2/6/2023 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16025780 AG5686 said:
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Also did RJ seem engaged in the game or was he pissed off at not playing?


I was there as well. I saw Mitch on the bench but not RJ - but that makes sense as he was scratched because of illness (at least that's the official word). If he was contagious you wouldn't want him on the bench.
RE: RJ is 22 years old  
BigBlueShock : 2/6/2023 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16025801 Vanzetti said:
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So while a lot of the things you guys are saying about him, especially lack of fit, are true, he is very young and still has several years to improve.

It Also does not help that he has a coach using Van Gundy’s offensive playbook from the 1990s

The problem is that we’ve been saying the same things about him since he was 19. Then 20. Then 21…

There just hasn’t been any significant improvement at all. That’s the problem. Still young? Sure. But there is no evidence that he is going to change much as a player as he gets older
RE: Anakim  
Anakim : 2/6/2023 1:39 pm : link
In comment 16025780 AG5686 said:
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In comment 16025767 Anakim said:


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In comment 16025765 AG5686 said:


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Or did the sixers blow it??



No, we won it. It was a solid win.


I meant to ask you how it was being there
Also did RJ seem engaged in the game or was he pissed off at not playing?
I have my suspicion about his not playing last nite


It was fun. Racuous crowd, albeit quite a lot of empty seats and LOTS of Sixers fans.

RJ was taking warmups, but then he just went to the back and never returned. I mentioned last night that I heard Obi asking someone "where's RJ?" I thought he might've gotten traded.
RE: .  
Anakim : 2/6/2023 1:40 pm : link
In comment 16025806 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 16025780 AG5686 said:


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Also did RJ seem engaged in the game or was he pissed off at not playing?




I was there as well. I saw Mitch on the bench but not RJ - but that makes sense as he was scratched because of illness (at least that's the official word). If he was contagious you wouldn't want him on the bench.


If I never hear DJ Sophia Rocks again, I'll be so happy. Not that she was bad or anything, but every fucking break..."NOW, 14-YEAR OLD, SOPHIA ROCKS. LET ME SEE YOUR BEST DANCE MOVES!"
RE: RE: RJ is 22 years old  
Vanzetti : 2/6/2023 1:41 pm : link
In comment 16025805 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16025801 Vanzetti said:


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So while a lot of the things you guys are saying about him, especially lack of fit, are true, he is very young and still has several years to improve.

It Also does not help that he has a coach using Van Gundy’s offensive playbook from the 1990s



It doesnt matter what playbook you use, he wouldnt be a fit, he wouldnt fit in the warriors offense..

he is a 1 level scorer and a volume scorer at that..

We all ahted Randle last year because of his ineffeciemcy and iso, why does Rj get a pass with worse numbers?


He gets a pass because he is 22. He is a better player than either Brunsonor Randle was at the same age.

To me, the big problem on the Knicks is that the Ball movement is sometimes hesitant. Look at the way George whipped that pass to Batum. It was like a hockey one timer. On the Knicks it would have been a ball fake, a step toward the basket and the pass would have arrived late. When the Knicks are crisp they can play with anybody.

The second problem is the lack of a big man who can knock down a three . You need to put five guys on the floor who can hit a three, especially at the end when teams turn up the defensive intensity.
Do the Knicks love Booker and  
Carl in CT : 2/6/2023 1:48 pm : link
Would trade the vault? So would any other team in basketball. When KP was up and coming we tried to get Booker and we’re rebuffed. Of it were to happen you are talking like 5 #1’s, RJB, Grimes, IQ, McBride etc. So, it’s not happening.
RE: RE: RE: RJ is 22 years old  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2023 1:50 pm : link
In comment 16025816 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 16025805 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 16025801 Vanzetti said:


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So while a lot of the things you guys are saying about him, especially lack of fit, are true, he is very young and still has several years to improve.

It Also does not help that he has a coach using Van Gundy’s offensive playbook from the 1990s



It doesnt matter what playbook you use, he wouldnt be a fit, he wouldnt fit in the warriors offense..

he is a 1 level scorer and a volume scorer at that..

We all ahted Randle last year because of his ineffeciemcy and iso, why does Rj get a pass with worse numbers?



He gets a pass because he is 22. He is a better player than either Brunsonor Randle was at the same age.

To me, the big problem on the Knicks is that the Ball movement is sometimes hesitant. Look at the way George whipped that pass to Batum. It was like a hockey one timer. On the Knicks it would have been a ball fake, a step toward the basket and the pass would have arrived late. When the Knicks are crisp they can play with anybody.

The second problem is the lack of a big man who can knock down a three . You need to put five guys on the floor who can hit a three, especially at the end when teams turn up the defensive intensity.


By Randles 4th year he was averaging 17 PPG 3 assists and 8 rebounds at 55% shooting and he missed his entire rookie year..

The next year he was averaging 21 ppg..

Randle has been a good player for a long time..

Brunson's 4th year was last year and he was 16 and 5 over 50% shooting..

You can bitch about RJ all day long  
larryflower37 : 2/6/2023 1:56 pm : link
But no one knows what he will be in his prime in 4 years.
Shots develop by repetition and he is a worker, he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting his right hand and finishing at the rim this year. Also is working on a little turnaround in the lane.
Does he turn into a All-star I don't know, will he be here in 4 years IDK
All I can say is he bust his ass, he is resilient and takes the game
serious. I find it easy to root for the kid to be successful because he does it the right way.
BTW he was plus defender for his first 2 years I don't know why he fell off but it doesn't mean it won't go back.
Larry  
AG5686 : 2/6/2023 2:05 pm : link
In comment 16025822 larryflower37 said:
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But no one knows what he will be in his prime in 4 years.
Shots develop by repetition and he is a worker, he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting his right hand and finishing at the rim this year. Also is working on a little turnaround in the lane.
Does he turn into a All-star I don't know, will he be here in 4 years IDK
All I can say is he bust his ass, he is resilient and takes the game
serious. I find it easy to root for the kid to be successful because he does it the right way.
BTW he was plus defender for his first 2 years I don't know why he fell off but it doesn't mean it won't go back.

I 100% concur,and I do think he has an injury to his knee (see his sleeve) that is effecting his play...
These discussions are like the ones from a few years ago  
ghost718 : 2/6/2023 2:08 pm : link
RJ's back in the dog house,and Randle is an All Star again so we love him.

All we need is a first round exit and we'll be all set.



RE: You can bitch about RJ all day long  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/6/2023 2:11 pm : link
In comment 16025822 larryflower37 said:
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But no one knows what he will be in his prime in 4 years.
Shots develop by repetition and he is a worker, he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting his right hand and finishing at the rim this year. Also is working on a little turnaround in the lane.
Does he turn into a All-star I don't know, will he be here in 4 years IDK
All I can say is he bust his ass, he is resilient and takes the game
serious. I find it easy to root for the kid to be successful because he does it the right way.
BTW he was plus defender for his first 2 years I don't know why he fell off but it doesn't mean it won't go back.


I agree this is a possibility but to call him the best player RIGHT NOW on the team is simply far removed from reality.

Does he have the highest upside? That is certainly an argument that could be made. There is a lot to like about his game, his drive and his character. However it is no guarantee he reaches his ceiling either.

As for right now he is a inefficient volume scorer whose defense has taken a step back. Randle aside from being quite an un-clutch player in crunch time is an absolute excellent #2 if we finally bring in a #1 to lead this team. A guy that he would inevitably have to defer to.
Knicks fan  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 2/6/2023 2:13 pm : link
on this board are just an oscillating fan between "grabbing pitchforks, trading everyone and firing the staff" to "we're a player away from winning a ring".

Never fails.
Anyone for a crowder  
Carl in CT : 2/6/2023 2:13 pm : link
For Reddish deal? It’s pathetic but no deals of any substance are being discussed. Prove me wrong Leon.
RE: Knicks fan  
Kmed6000 : 2/6/2023 2:20 pm : link
In comment 16025835 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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on this board are just an oscillating fan between "grabbing pitchforks, trading everyone and firing the staff" to "we're a player away from winning a ring".

Never fails.


Add Giannis or Jokic to this roster, are we not winning a ring? See....a player away.

I'm pretty sure that whoever called him the best player on the team  
Mike from SI : 2/6/2023 2:22 pm : link
was kidding or being sarcastic. Neither RJ nor his mama even think he's the best player on the team.
RE: I'm pretty sure that whoever called him the best player on the team  
Enzo : 2/6/2023 2:29 pm : link
In comment 16025846 Mike from SI said:
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was kidding or being sarcastic. Neither RJ nor his mama even think he's the best player on the team.

I wouldn't put it past RJ.
RE: You can bitch about RJ all day long  
TyreeHelmet : 2/6/2023 2:45 pm : link
In comment 16025822 larryflower37 said:
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But no one knows what he will be in his prime in 4 years.
Shots develop by repetition and he is a worker, he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting his right hand and finishing at the rim this year. Also is working on a little turnaround in the lane.
Does he turn into a All-star I don't know, will he be here in 4 years IDK
All I can say is he bust his ass, he is resilient and takes the game
serious. I find it easy to root for the kid to be successful because he does it the right way.
BTW he was plus defender for his first 2 years I don't know why he fell off but it doesn't mean it won't go back.


You honestly think RJ could be an all star in the next 4 years? Just look at the year Brunson is having and he didn't make the all star team. Look at some of the players who didnt make it, you really think he's capable of that?

Honest question- what is RJ Barrett really good at? What category compared to other players in the NBA?

You can excuse his play on his age or some mystery knee injury. But he's in his 4th season and honestly doesn't look to be improving or getting any better.

I'm not saying Fournier is better than him by any stretch. IU am saying right now game to game, he can be a better fit with the starters than Barrett. No reason they need to be so ridgid.
RE: Anyone for a crowder  
Strahan91 : 2/6/2023 2:47 pm : link
In comment 16025836 Carl in CT said:
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For Reddish deal? It’s pathetic but no deals of any substance are being discussed. Prove me wrong Leon.

Not opposed to it but prefer one of the other names that have been linked ie Osman, Allen, Windler etc
Who  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2023 2:47 pm : link
says no?

Rose/Reddish/Fournier

for
Osman and Love (buy out Love who has an expiring deal), Windler

Knicks clear Fournier, add decent/solid Osman plus Windler and the wannabe contender but young Cavs add Reddish (who they apparently are interested in), good veteran presence Derrick Rose and some bench scoring in Reddish.
Furkan Korkmaz  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2023 2:52 pm : link
has demanded a trade.
Supposedly a reputable source.....Jazz gonna Jazz...  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2023 3:09 pm : link

Jazz Notes
@UtahJazzNotes
The Utah Jazz and New York Knicks have had productive talks on an Obi Toppin deal. Hold up in talks to this point (flashback to the summer) has been Utah wanting an unprotected New York first round pick, NBA sources tell @UtahJazzNotes.

Jazz Notes
@UtahJazzNotes
Knicks have only been willing to offer protected picks that they have acquired from other teams. Source said this being a sticking point has made talks "awkward" and "feels like groundhog day"
RE: You can bitch about RJ all day long  
Greg from LI : 2/6/2023 3:19 pm : link
In comment 16025822 larryflower37 said:
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he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting


He's improved his 3 point shooting? He's shooting 32.7%
RE: Furkan Korkmaz  
djm : 2/6/2023 3:51 pm : link
In comment 16025871 DanMetroMan said:
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has demanded a trade.


When you're Furkan Korkmaz you don't demand anything. You ask, nicely.
RE: Supposedly a reputable source.....Jazz gonna Jazz...  
Anakim : 2/6/2023 3:52 pm : link
In comment 16025878 bceagle05 said:
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Jazz Notes
@UtahJazzNotes
The Utah Jazz and New York Knicks have had productive talks on an Obi Toppin deal. Hold up in talks to this point (flashback to the summer) has been Utah wanting an unprotected New York first round pick, NBA sources tell @UtahJazzNotes.

Jazz Notes
@UtahJazzNotes
Knicks have only been willing to offer protected picks that they have acquired from other teams. Source said this being a sticking point has made talks "awkward" and "feels like groundhog day"



...Wait, what? They need some context. Why would we trade Obi and an unprotected first?
I dobt really care that RJ is just 22  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/6/2023 3:54 pm : link
He's played 250 NBA games, his dad was a former pro, his uncle is a probable hall of famer, he was picked 3rd overall and he was college coached by a hall of fame coach and system.


This is not someone that needs to be on the "drafted an 18 year old out of high school, six year development patience, is it?


RE: RE: Supposedly a reputable source.....Jazz gonna Jazz...  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2023 3:59 pm : link
In comment 16025906 Anakim said:
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Wait, what? They need some context. Why would we trade Obi and an unprotected first?

I suspect it's related to the Beasley/Vanderbilt rumors involving Toppin, Fournier and the ever-vague "draft compensation."
Knicks have a very young team and a coach who is not good at making  
bronxgiant : 2/6/2023 4:03 pm : link
adjustments on the fly. Coach Daboll is more the type of coach this team needs. Thibs is so stuck in his ways he will burnout Brunson, Randle and Barrett by the time the season ends. We will be eliminated and then what? Allow him to do the same next year. How many games over the past 2 years have we watched him get out coached in the second half? How you lose so many games where you have a substantial lead and still retain you position is beyond me. The Clippers game for example, every fan knew they all should have been told to foul right away yet nothing but crickets. Seems like nothing is a teachable moment with a few Thibs favorites that make bone headed plays game after game.

Barrett is young and developing. Good this George was forced to stay away and doing so allowed a great Yankee core to develop. Stop trying to give the you away and just coach them up and give them time. How Obi plays 10 mins per game is criminal. You have a second team that can change the pace of the game in your favor like the drop of a hat but kicked to the curve to let one on one try to win the games.
RE: RE: You can bitch about RJ all day long  
larryflower37 : 2/6/2023 4:12 pm : link
In comment 16025833 CornerStone246+17 said:
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In comment 16025822 larryflower37 said:


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But no one knows what he will be in his prime in 4 years.
Shots develop by repetition and he is a worker, he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting his right hand and finishing at the rim this year. Also is working on a little turnaround in the lane.
Does he turn into a All-star I don't know, will he be here in 4 years IDK
All I can say is he bust his ass, he is resilient and takes the game
serious. I find it easy to root for the kid to be successful because he does it the right way.
BTW he was plus defender for his first 2 years I don't know why he fell off but it doesn't mean it won't go back.



I agree this is a possibility but to call him the best player RIGHT NOW on the team is simply far removed from reality.

Does he have the highest upside? That is certainly an argument that could be made. There is a lot to like about his game, his drive and his character. However it is no guarantee he reaches his ceiling either.

As for right now he is a inefficient volume scorer whose defense has taken a step back. Randle aside from being quite an un-clutch player in crunch time is an absolute excellent #2 if we finally bring in a #1 to lead this team. A guy that he would inevitably have to defer to.

The best player was sarcasm damn you guys are too serious.
It was a dig at everyone wishing he was gone.
I know most knew it was.
RE: Who  
TyreeHelmet : 2/6/2023 4:14 pm : link
In comment 16025866 DanMetroMan said:
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says no?

Rose/Reddish/Fournier

for
Osman and Love (buy out Love who has an expiring deal), Windler

Knicks clear Fournier, add decent/solid Osman plus Windler and the wannabe contender but young Cavs add Reddish (who they apparently are interested in), good veteran presence Derrick Rose and some bench scoring in Reddish.


Don't really see enough upside for the Knicks on this deal. I also don't mind keeping the contracts of Fournier and Rose around if a mega deal is out there in the next 12 months...

I am passing on those Jazz deals. If anything I want a pick coming back to the Knicks.
RE: RE: You can bitch about RJ all day long  
larryflower37 : 2/6/2023 4:17 pm : link
In comment 16025862 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 16025822 larryflower37 said:


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But no one knows what he will be in his prime in 4 years.
Shots develop by repetition and he is a worker, he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting his right hand and finishing at the rim this year. Also is working on a little turnaround in the lane.
Does he turn into a All-star I don't know, will he be here in 4 years IDK
All I can say is he bust his ass, he is resilient and takes the game
serious. I find it easy to root for the kid to be successful because he does it the right way.
BTW he was plus defender for his first 2 years I don't know why he fell off but it doesn't mean it won't go back.



You honestly think RJ could be an all star in the next 4 years? Just look at the year Brunson is having and he didn't make the all star team. Look at some of the players who didnt make it, you really think he's capable of that?

Honest question- what is RJ Barrett really good at? What category compared to other players in the NBA?

You can excuse his play on his age or some mystery knee injury. But he's in his 4th season and honestly doesn't look to be improving or getting any better.

I'm not saying Fournier is better than him by any stretch. IU am saying right now game to game, he can be a better fit with the starters than Barrett. No reason they need to be so ridgid.

I have no clue what he could be in 4 years but look at Brunson 4 years ago at 22.
Or Beal,Kawhi, or Lavine.
You have to give the kid a break and he has improved every year in the league, he works hard and that's why Thibs likes him so much.
All I am saying is chill out a bit
Toppin is 25 and a 9th overall pick and no one is running him out of town.
In our recent history he is the best top 10 pick we have had in what 20 years?
RE: RE: Who  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2023 4:21 pm : link
In comment 16025924 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 16025866 DanMetroMan said:


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says no?

Rose/Reddish/Fournier

for
Osman and Love (buy out Love who has an expiring deal), Windler

Knicks clear Fournier, add decent/solid Osman plus Windler and the wannabe contender but young Cavs add Reddish (who they apparently are interested in), good veteran presence Derrick Rose and some bench scoring in Reddish.



Don't really see enough upside for the Knicks on this deal. I also don't mind keeping the contracts of Fournier and Rose around if a mega deal is out there in the next 12 months...

I am passing on those Jazz deals. If anything I want a pick coming back to the Knicks.


Rose is going to be on the books in 12 months (team option for next season). In this deal the Knicks clear Fournier and give up Reddish (who won't be back), Rose (who won't be back) and land Osman a solid role player and Windler (a guy who has been injured but was a 1st round pick) with NBA talent. Enough upside? How much upside do you expect moving 2 expiring deals and Fournier's contract?
Perhaps we are a bit tough on RJ  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2023 4:24 pm : link
but I don't think anyone's running him out of town. Folks who want to trade him (like me) are only doing so for a talented player who's a better fit on the roster, or packaged with some first rounders for a legit star. It's no big insult.
RE: RE: RE: Who  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2023 4:33 pm : link
In comment 16025929 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16025924 TyreeHelmet said:


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In comment 16025866 DanMetroMan said:


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says no?

Rose/Reddish/Fournier

for
Osman and Love (buy out Love who has an expiring deal), Windler

Knicks clear Fournier, add decent/solid Osman plus Windler and the wannabe contender but young Cavs add Reddish (who they apparently are interested in), good veteran presence Derrick Rose and some bench scoring in Reddish.



Don't really see enough upside for the Knicks on this deal. I also don't mind keeping the contracts of Fournier and Rose around if a mega deal is out there in the next 12 months...

I am passing on those Jazz deals. If anything I want a pick coming back to the Knicks.



Rose is going to be on the books in 12 months (team option for next season). In this deal the Knicks clear Fournier and give up Reddish (who won't be back), Rose (who won't be back) and land Osman a solid role player and Windler (a guy who has been injured but was a 1st round pick) with NBA talent. Enough upside? How much upside do you expect moving 2 expiring deals and Fournier's contract?


Rose *isn't* going to be on the books in 12 months
Stein  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2023 4:36 pm : link
says the Nets are "exploring" sending Dinwiddle to Toronto with "draft capital" for FVV
RE: Perhaps we are a bit tough on RJ  
bronxgiant : 2/6/2023 4:39 pm : link
In comment 16025931 bceagle05 said:
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but I don't think anyone's running him out of town. Folks who want to trade him (like me) are only doing so for a talented player who's a better fit on the roster, or packaged with some first rounders for a legit star. It's no big insult.


Problem is you have to give away so many other pieces that you end up with a huge salary and can't get rid of it when you try to rebuild again. The coach doesn't even allow some players to play so you can get a better trade for them. He lets whatever value Cam was playing himself in to just vanish.
Nets  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2023 4:43 pm : link
apparently in on "all" of the Raptors rumored to be available players.
Heat  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2023 4:44 pm : link
shopping Lowry hard, Heat interested in Durant.
RE: Heat  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2023 4:53 pm : link
In comment 16025942 DanMetroMan said:
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shopping Lowry hard, Heat interested in Durant.


It always amazes me how the Hest are always in these conversations, yet have zero assets..same with the Lakers
FVV and Trent seem to make the most sense in BKN  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2023 5:00 pm : link
but anything's possible - DFS/KD/Claxton + FVV or Trent makes for a pretty formidable lineup.
RE: RE: RE: You can bitch about RJ all day long  
Greg from LI : 2/6/2023 5:02 pm : link
In comment 16025925 larryflower37 said:
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he has improved every year in the league


He has not improved every year. He improved from year one to year two, and has been basically the same player since, only with worse defense.
RE: FVV and Trent seem to make the most sense in BKN  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2023 5:03 pm : link
In comment 16025948 bceagle05 said:
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but anything's possible - DFS/KD/Claxton + FVV or Trent makes for a pretty formidable lineup.


and cant forget Ben Simmons lol
RE: RE: Heat  
Jan in DC : 2/6/2023 5:19 pm : link
In comment 16025944 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16025942 DanMetroMan said:


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shopping Lowry hard, Heat interested in Durant.



It always amazes me how the Hest are always in these conversations, yet have zero assets..same with the Lakers


I was about to say the same thing.

I wonder if they'd be willing to give up.... DUNCAN ROBINSON?
RE: Supposedly a reputable source.....Jazz gonna Jazz...  
Carl in CT : 2/6/2023 5:21 pm : link
In comment 16025878 bceagle05 said:
Quote:

Jazz Notes
@UtahJazzNotes
The Utah Jazz and New York Knicks have had productive talks on an Obi Toppin deal. Hold up in talks to this point (flashback to the summer) has been Utah wanting an unprotected New York first round pick, NBA sources tell @UtahJazzNotes.

Jazz Notes
@UtahJazzNotes
Knicks have only been willing to offer protected picks that they have acquired from other teams. Source said this being a sticking point has made talks "awkward" and "feels like groundhog day"




Oh really that’s been said here before.
RE: RE: RE: Heat  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/6/2023 5:31 pm : link
In comment 16025958 Jan in DC said:
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In comment 16025942 DanMetroMan said:


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shopping Lowry hard, Heat interested in Durant.



It always amazes me how the Hest are always in these conversations, yet have zero assets..same with the Lakers



I was about to say the same thing.

I wonder if they'd be willing to give up.... DUNCAN ROBINSON?


Riley wants everyone to believe he's got his hands in every deal. They have nothing to sell. Sure he wants Durant. He has no bullets for that.
RE: RE: RE: You can bitch about RJ all day long  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/6/2023 5:39 pm : link
In comment 16025925 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 16025862 TyreeHelmet said:


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In comment 16025822 larryflower37 said:


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But no one knows what he will be in his prime in 4 years.
Shots develop by repetition and he is a worker, he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting his right hand and finishing at the rim this year. Also is working on a little turnaround in the lane.
Does he turn into a All-star I don't know, will he be here in 4 years IDK
All I can say is he bust his ass, he is resilient and takes the game
serious. I find it easy to root for the kid to be successful because he does it the right way.
BTW he was plus defender for his first 2 years I don't know why he fell off but it doesn't mean it won't go back.



You honestly think RJ could be an all star in the next 4 years? Just look at the year Brunson is having and he didn't make the all star team. Look at some of the players who didnt make it, you really think he's capable of that?

Honest question- what is RJ Barrett really good at? What category compared to other players in the NBA?

You can excuse his play on his age or some mystery knee injury. But he's in his 4th season and honestly doesn't look to be improving or getting any better.

I'm not saying Fournier is better than him by any stretch. IU am saying right now game to game, he can be a better fit with the starters than Barrett. No reason they need to be so ridgid.


I have no clue what he could be in 4 years but look at Brunson 4 years ago at 22.
Or Beal,Kawhi, or Lavine.
You have to give the kid a break and he has improved every year in the league, he works hard and that's why Thibs likes him so much.
All I am saying is chill out a bit
Toppin is 25 and a 9th overall pick and no one is running him out of town.
In our recent history he is the best top 10 pick we have had in what 20 years?


I dont mind the debate, but Beal and Lavine in their first four years still shot 38-40% from 3. That tool was there.

RJs offensive improvement (from the field but not from 3) has come at the cost of his defense.

I'm not sure what place there is in the NBA for a guy who needs high volume of shots to get his points and can't do it another way, but also isn't a defender. There's no situation where you want RJ taking lots of shots on this team. It's forced because he's there and they paid him.
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DanMetroMan : 2/6/2023 5:55 pm : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Official:

Kyrie Irving to the Dallas Mavericks.

Spencer Dinwiddie, Dorian Finney-Smith, 2029 first-round pick and two second-round picks in 2027 and 2029 to the Brooklyn Nets.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/6/2023 6:18 pm : link
It'll be cute how Irving will have a nice week or two stretch with the Mavs & him & Luka will look UFB...Mavs fans will talk themselves into it. Then Irving will visit the Sixth Floor Museum & he'll be MIA for weeks.
RE: ...  
djm : 2/6/2023 6:56 pm : link
In comment 16025990 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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It'll be cute how Irving will have a nice week or two stretch with the Mavs & him & Luka will look UFB...Mavs fans will talk themselves into it. Then Irving will visit the Sixth Floor Museum & he'll be MIA for weeks.


Lol
Lol I don't think there is one piece on that mediocre Jazz roster  
Stu11 : 2/6/2023 7:18 pm : link
I'd trade an unprotected #1 for let alone throw Obi in. Maybe the way Markanen has played this year, but who knows if that's just a career year.
stumbled onto the Westchester Knicks on TV - they look terrible -  
Del Shofner : 2/6/2023 8:14 pm : link
I was wondering why the Knicks didn't bring up a third C from Westchester when Mitch went down - now I see why. The starting C is this guy Skapintsev (sp.?) from Cal State Northridge who has the size but nothing else...
RE: Lol I don't think there is one piece on that mediocre Jazz roster  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2023 8:41 pm : link
In comment 16026019 Stu11 said:
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I'd trade an unprotected #1 for let alone throw Obi in. Maybe the way Markanen has played this year, but who knows if that's just a career year.


Walker Kessler 100% would be worth an unprotected #1
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DanMetroMan : 2/6/2023 9:26 pm : link

NBACentral
@TheNBACentral
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4m
The Nets and Raptors have discussed a Pascal Siakam trade, per
@MikeAScotto


The Raptors are interested in Nic Claxton

Ben Simmons and several first-round draft picks have also been discussed in trade conversations
I fully expect the Nets to make a good move in the next three days.  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2023 9:29 pm : link
I have little faith in Leon doing anything consequential in the next three days.
Id be shocked if the Raptors  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2023 9:33 pm : link
took Simmons and how many picks do the Nets actually have they can trade, 2?
Wow  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2023 9:59 pm : link
“ CAM THOMAS TONIGHT:

47 POINTS
4 REBOUNDS
3 ASSISTS
15/29 FG
7/11 3PT
10/11 FT

Last game: 44 PT - 6 REB - 5 AST ”
Cam Thomas  
Jan in DC : 2/6/2023 10:03 pm : link
couldn't wait until there was no one else on the team to take shots. LOL
That Nets/Clippers game was a fun one.  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2023 10:06 pm : link
Nice to see Batum pull another clutch shot out of his ass - I was worried he only did that against the Knicks.
nets can trade 3 future firsts  
Eric on Li : 2/6/2023 10:12 pm : link
phi 27, their own 28 or 29, dallas 29.

simmons or harris plus picks for 1 of the toronto F's is going to be what they zero in on. siakam is obviously the best one to get but not sure that's enough.

dont see them trading claxton and not sure they'd trade cam thomas either since he's the exact type of scorer they dont have otherwise. if its for siakam id give him up.
RE: Id be shocked if the Raptors  
Strahan91 : 2/6/2023 10:20 pm : link
In comment 16026087 nygiants16 said:
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took Simmons and how many picks do the Nets actually have they can trade, 2?

I don’t think Simmons is tradable right now without attaching assets to dump him. And it wouldn’t make sense for the Nets to do that right now
Simmons needs a small market  
larryflower37 : 2/6/2023 10:23 pm : link
Somewhere without the pressure of NY or philly.
I am not sure he wants to play basketball anymore.
RE: nets can trade 3 future firsts  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2023 10:29 pm : link
In comment 16026098 Eric on Li said:
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phi 27, their own 28 or 29, dallas 29.

simmons or harris plus picks for 1 of the toronto F's is going to be what they zero in on. siakam is obviously the best one to get but not sure that's enough.

dont see them trading claxton and not sure they'd trade cam thomas either since he's the exact type of scorer they dont have otherwise. if its for siakam id give him up.


Yup i was confused looking at it because they dont have a 26 pick, but they have the sixers pick, they cant trsde their own 27
RE: nets can trade 3 future firsts  
Enzo : 2/6/2023 11:59 pm : link
In comment 16026098 Eric on Li said:
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phi 27, their own 28 or 29, dallas 29.

simmons or harris plus picks for 1 of the toronto F's is going to be what they zero in on. siakam is obviously the best one to get but not sure that's enough.

dont see them trading claxton and not sure they'd trade cam thomas either since he's the exact type of scorer they dont have otherwise. if its for siakam id give him up.

Windhorst has been pretty adamant that Simmons has negative value around the league right now. You're looking at attaching two first round picks just to clear his money.
RE: RE: Lol I don't think there is one piece on that mediocre Jazz roster  
Stu11 : 2/7/2023 12:48 am : link
In comment 16026074 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16026019 Stu11 said:


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I'd trade an unprotected #1 for let alone throw Obi in. Maybe the way Markanen has played this year, but who knows if that's just a career year.



Walker Kessler 100% would be worth an unprotected #1

Yeah I thought about him but he's a rookie and there's no way they'd deal him so I didn't even include him in the mix.
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DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 12:18 pm : link
NBACentral
@TheNBACentral
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12m
“The Jazz are asking for too damn much,"

- NBA GM on trade talks with the Jazz 😅
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DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 12:20 pm : link
Sources tell Cleveland.com that there are mixed feelings within the Cavaliers’ front office about Knicks forward Cam Reddish, who is considered more of a fall-back option. Reddish has talent and untapped potential, but he’ll be a free agent in a matter of months and isn’t a clear upgrade on what the team already has at small forward, Fedor explains.
RE: RE: nets can trade 3 future firsts  
Eric on Li : 2/7/2023 12:26 pm : link
In comment 16026114 Enzo said:
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In comment 16026098 Eric on Li said:


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phi 27, their own 28 or 29, dallas 29.

simmons or harris plus picks for 1 of the toronto F's is going to be what they zero in on. siakam is obviously the best one to get but not sure that's enough.

dont see them trading claxton and not sure they'd trade cam thomas either since he's the exact type of scorer they dont have otherwise. if its for siakam id give him up.


Windhorst has been pretty adamant that Simmons has negative value around the league right now. You're looking at attaching two first round picks just to clear his money.


stein says toronto and brooklyn have talked about him and picks (https://hoopshype.com/2023/02/06/sources-nets-raptors-trade-talks-involve-pascal-siakam-ben-simmons-nic-claxton/).

toronto tried to get simmons in 2021 as a sixer and i think for some rebuilding team out there he's a worthwhile buy low if you have to salary match anyway. imo definitely better than taking on a contract like joe harris (who is just cooked).

whether or not toronto decides to go full rebuild i have no idea but ive seen people float SAS as the type of team that should roll the dice on simmons and i think that's right. he's still 26 and in a lower visibility environment there's obvious upside if he can keep working back towards what he was. he's had some good games for brooklyn but i think it's too much of a pressure cooker if they are trying to push for what may be their last run with kd.
Simmons  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2023 12:35 pm : link
I think Simmons is cooked. Doesn't look the same athletically, never plays due to any little bruise and his heart is clearly not in the game anymore. He's not even an nba starter at this point. Maybe he can go somewhere to rebuild it, but it looks bad.

One of the worst current contracts in the league.
If  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 12:39 pm : link
regular season in Brooklyn behind 2 superstars (who are/were CONSTANTLY getting all of the media coverage) was/is too much for Simmons then what happens if/when his next team makes the playoffs? If Ben Simmons were a Knick the conversation would be NON-STOP, he's had a pretty easy ride all things considered.
RE: If  
Eric on Li : 2/7/2023 12:48 pm : link
In comment 16026507 DanMetroMan said:
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regular season in Brooklyn behind 2 superstars (who are/were CONSTANTLY getting all of the media coverage) was/is too much for Simmons then what happens if/when his next team makes the playoffs? If Ben Simmons were a Knick the conversation would be NON-STOP, he's had a pretty easy ride all things considered.


that's why the best place for him is somewhere that's currently 20+ games under .500 and a small media market like SAS. for a team with no need for cap room it's a cheap gamble on a 26 year old 3x all star. when he's played his defense and transition game is still really good, he's just literally afraid to attack the basket consistently.

RE: RE: If  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2023 12:59 pm : link
In comment 16026520 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16026507 DanMetroMan said:


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regular season in Brooklyn behind 2 superstars (who are/were CONSTANTLY getting all of the media coverage) was/is too much for Simmons then what happens if/when his next team makes the playoffs? If Ben Simmons were a Knick the conversation would be NON-STOP, he's had a pretty easy ride all things considered.



that's why the best place for him is somewhere that's currently 20+ games under .500 and a small media market like SAS. for a team with no need for cap room it's a cheap gamble on a 26 year old 3x all star. when he's played his defense and transition game is still really good, he's just literally afraid to attack the basket consistently.



Its more than being afraid to attack the basket, he does absolutely nothing on offense. Can't shoot or won't shoot, doesn't screen well and doesn't even pass well anymore.

I don't think his defense or transition game is really good anymore. And that contract is really bad and long- the Spurs or anyone could easily better utilize that money/ space. That's not a cheap gamble and its not like he has the best attitude.

Maybe he returns to some of his old form but I think its doubtful with his age and attitude.

If I'm any team I would need a minimum of 2 1st round picks to even consider taking him and I'm still probably passing.
maybe or maybe he's the next wiggins  
Eric on Li : 2/7/2023 1:05 pm : link
but if it's essentially a tanking lotto team over the next year what difference does it make? you give him a shot next year and if it doesnt work after that he's just another expiring contract.

to me he's in a similar position to john collins where the return should be minimal and there's enough talent/youth to roll the dice on even if it's a lot of $. collins actually has 1 extra year under contract though similar total $.
RE: maybe or maybe he's the next wiggins  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2023 2:13 pm : link
In comment 16026551 Eric on Li said:
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but if it's essentially a tanking lotto team over the next year what difference does it make? you give him a shot next year and if it doesnt work after that he's just another expiring contract.

to me he's in a similar position to john collins where the return should be minimal and there's enough talent/youth to roll the dice on even if it's a lot of $. collins actually has 1 extra year under contract though similar total $.


I don't know how could you compare Simmons to either of those guys.

Putting aside the on court issues Simmons has- he never plays and clearly doesn't want to play.
RE: RE: maybe or maybe he's the next wiggins  
Eric on Li : 2/7/2023 2:35 pm : link
In comment 16026628 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 16026551 Eric on Li said:


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but if it's essentially a tanking lotto team over the next year what difference does it make? you give him a shot next year and if it doesnt work after that he's just another expiring contract.

to me he's in a similar position to john collins where the return should be minimal and there's enough talent/youth to roll the dice on even if it's a lot of $. collins actually has 1 extra year under contract though similar total $.



I don't know how could you compare Simmons to either of those guys.

Putting aside the on court issues Simmons has- he never plays and clearly doesn't want to play.


simmons has played 1000 minutes this year and been a solidly positive defensive player. he has roughly 75m left over 2 years.

collins has played 1400 and been a negative value offensive and defensive player. he has roughly 75m left over 3 years.

i think you're misinterpreting the value im placing on either. the hawks have obviously tried unsuccessfully to move collins for more than a year, though the reports were their previous regime had unreasonable expectations.

my point is if you are a rebuilding team and you need to take back salary filler in any trade along with picks, wouldn't you rather that salary filler be a young player with upside as opposed to the typical mediocre journeyman in their late 20's/30's? even if they are expiring contracts who cares if you are a rebuilding team that's not planning to sign veterans in FA?
Woj:  
Strahan91 : 2/7/2023 2:56 pm : link
In aftermath of Kyrie Irving trade, the Brooklyn Nets and Kevin Durant are having ongoing conversations on the direction of the franchise, but organization has thus far told inquiring teams that they’re not planning to trade him before Thursday’s deadline, sources tell ESPN.
RE: Woj:  
Eric on Li : 2/7/2023 3:16 pm : link
In comment 16026682 Strahan91 said:
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In aftermath of Kyrie Irving trade, the Brooklyn Nets and Kevin Durant are having ongoing conversations on the direction of the franchise, but organization has thus far told inquiring teams that they’re not planning to trade him before Thursday’s deadline, sources tell ESPN.


tl:dr "let's see what you can get done in the next 48 hours sean or im out in the summer"

the interesting dynamic is now phoenix, miami, and boston probably pump their breaks on dealing any FRPs.
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